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1. 12:26 AM - Tri gear bungee tensioning (Richard Iddon)
2. 12:26 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Richard Iddon)
3. 12:51 AM - Outstanding cheques (checks) to EMIL (Jeremy Davey)
4. 01:15 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Jeremy Davey)
5. 01:16 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injection (Jeremy Davey)
6. 01:24 AM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Jeremy Davey)
7. 01:37 AM - Re: Lightning strike (Jeremy Davey)
8. 01:48 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Gilles Thesee)
9. 02:02 AM - FW: Fuselage dolly (Peter Field)
10. 02:12 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Alan Burrows)
11. 03:35 AM - Re: Lightning strike (David Joyce)
12. 04:42 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (europa@triton.net)
13. 04:50 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Jeremy Davey)
14. 04:57 AM - EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 05:16 AM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (Alan Burrows)
16. 06:21 AM - Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH (ivor.phillips)
17. 07:25 AM - Exhaust angle (Dave Anderson)
18. 07:48 AM - Europa Administration (Graham Singleton)
19. 07:59 AM - Re: Exhaust angle (Vaughn Teegarden)
20. 08:15 AM - Loss (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
21. 08:42 AM - Drop of the Brolley (Richard Iddon)
22. 09:29 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (M.J. Gregory)
23. 09:59 AM - Electric Flap Actuator Base Dims (Tony Renshaw)
24. 10:12 AM - Re: Loss (Fred R. Klein)
25. 10:52 AM - Re: Lightning strike (Pete Lawless)
26. 11:31 AM - Europa POH (Pilot's Manual) (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
27. 11:39 AM - Re: Loss (Wrightcrw@aol.com)
28. 12:17 PM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Duncan McFadyean)
29. 12:42 PM - Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH (Duncan McFadyean)
30. 12:55 PM - Re: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES (bryan allsop)
31. 01:31 PM - Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH (William Mills)
32. 02:54 PM - Exhaust Supplier E Mail Address (Tony Bale)
33. 03:07 PM - Fw: Exhaust Supplier E Mail Address (Tony Bale)
34. 03:19 PM - plexiglas/perspex (Fred R. Klein)
35. 04:33 PM - Re: plexiglas/perspex (Rob Housman)
36. 04:39 PM - Re: Fuel Pump (JR (Bob) Gowing)
37. 04:51 PM - Re: Loss (Andrew Sarangan)
38. 04:55 PM - Re: plexiglas/perspex (Rocketman)
39. 05:26 PM - Re: plexiglas/perspex (John & Amy Eckel)
40. 06:20 PM - Re: Loss ()
41. 11:42 PM - Fw: Exhaust SB12 Mod (Tony Bale)
42. 11:49 PM - Drop of the Hat fly in .. not. (Richard Iddon)
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| Subject: | Tri gear bungee tensioning |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
How to re-tension tri gear bungees =91in the field=92
I converted my tri gear bungee to the =91Kevin Pilcher=92 system of separate
bands a while ago and installed them by winching them down with ratchet
tie down straps fixed to a hard point on the floor of my workshop. This
worked well but the nose had gone a little soft again recently and the
bungees needed re-tensioning. Reluctant to strip the aircraft down and
transport in back home just for this job, I made a very low tech tripod
=91axle stand=92 out of 2 x 2 timber with a =BE inch ply base, about 24inches
high. I fitted an eye bolt through the aft end of the base and simply
sat the nose gear pivot point on the stand, tied it in place and then
removed the bands, shortened them up a little and re-installed them with
the ratchet straps using the eye bolt to secure them to.
This simple stand gives you more space to work under the nose, provides
a point to winch from and can be used wherever the plane happens to be.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Kevin,
I have a 912S and didn't need the naca vent in the lower cowl so I cut
this out and glassed it over then filled and finished it to (marginally)
reduce the drag. I have however had a small problem as the glass or
filler is not as resistant to the heat produced by the exhaust and I
have ended up with a number of small blisters which are probably
producing as much drag as if I had left the vent in place in the first
place.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
> bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it
off and
> re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other
side...Probably a
> lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
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| Subject: | Outstanding cheques (checks) to EMIL |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Guys,
I don=92t know how true this is, so apologies if it=92s a time-waster, but I
heard a rumour that a number of cheques made payable to Europa Management
International Ltd in the last few months weren=92t paid in because the staff
knew that nothing would be delivered. The administrators now intend to/have
already taken action to pay them in.
If you=92re owed parts, and your cheque hasn=92t gone through yet, I suggest you
put a =91stop=92 on it!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Maybe all his dodgy mobiles signing on to the network caused the network to
pull access to all non-IoM mobiles?
Not that I'd ever assume a Scouser was dishonest by default, of course...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Mine was an O2 triband. It works throughout Europe and the States. It did
not work there. I spoke to many people at the rally who confirmed the same
problem. Most interesting was the man (a Liverpudlian) who was selling
mobiles and accessories at the rally. It was him who explained the problem
to me.
Surprisingly my wife managed to phone me during the afternoon. She tried
again later but was refused access for the rest of the day.
Regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last
month
> in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked in
> Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at 10:30
pm.
> Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in Hertfordshire. I
> blame witchcraft.
>
> Rick Morris
> G-RIKS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Tim,
I cant make the Strut tonight as I'm in the Netherlands (and it's a
heatwave here :-)). Can you sound him out for a chat at the September
meeting?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Roberts
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Injection
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 8/9/04 2:19 PM, owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com at
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
Tim,
If not just for interesting reading please keep us informed if you find
anything out as to the longevity of the fit. It seams a successful injector
system would eliminate more than one 912 concern and add to the value of the
engine. Surprised Bombardier hasn't offered it yet. It's in some jet skis
and snowmobile I believe.
Regards,
Jeff
A258
> Jeff
>
> It's already been done, Gloster strut members will remember that Eddie
> Clapham ( ex Rolls Royce development engineer and serial builder of
> kitplanes) had a 912 in a RANS Coyote ( or something similar) which he had
> installed a fuel injection system. He ran it for some time. Other than
that
> I don't remember any more details at present. Its possible that Jeremy and
I
> will see him at the Gloster Strut meeting tomorrow evening.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim Houlihan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine failure test for glider wings
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> It was I and it's very much a wish of mine - I'm not a fan on steam-age
> technology in modern aircraft!
>
> I'm rather behind you with my build, though, so it's unlikely I'll have a
> solution in time for you - unless you're happy to retrofit in a few years.
> At this stage, I'm just trying to find out who has done what to date - the
> factory intercooler is one item that won't need to be developed, for
> example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Rob has kindly sent me the XS Tri POH, which I can publish on the Club Web
Site in the secure area (I'll assume the Factory agreement to publish their
manuals in the secure area stands until I hear otherwise).
Has anyone got the Classic POH, or the XS Mono POH in PDF form?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Pete,
It would be useful for this to be available more widely; I don't recall that
the manual has any indication of "copyright" printed within it (but would
need to check).
In any case I'd be interested in a copy of the Classic POH. The one I was
sent by the Factory covers the XS 1370lbs; not the same.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Peter
>
> I have a Classic manual, if you are desparate I will scan it and send
> you a CD with it on, it will be a bit too big to email.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
>
> When I purchased my Kit ( oh so long ago ) was advised by the oracle
> himself to request the Aircraft manual and pre-flight check list when
> approaching the end of the building stage!?!?!?! But I don't think Ivan
> Shaw could ever have envisaged what has happened to what he started. I
> have a copy of the preflight checklist kindly copied for me by Bill
> Sisley, has anyone any ideas how to obtain a copy of the Europa Aircraft
> Manual?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Austin
>
> Builder #198
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ---
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Tony,
I think you misunderstood David! The PFA are very happy for nav lights to be
fitted - I have mod approvals for mine behind lenses, others have the 3-way
Whelens fitted on the wingtips. The only thing they ask is that the way you
fit them be approved - for the very sensible reason that the wingtip is part
of the wing's torsion box. It's no good making the plane more visible if the
plane falls out of the sky in turbulence or rough handling!
As for extended privileges - I'm standing for the PFA EC this year with
pushing for these being a significant part of my 'platform'. (Yes, that was
another shameless plug for votes! :-))
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning strike
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
David and others,.
With such valid testimony as to a safety benefit, surely your PFA isn't so
anal that they wouldn't allow them? Why don't you disobey them and just put
them on? I know of one fellow who did what he wanted on his a/c, a Europa,
and PFA played catchup finally approving all that he did. I think its about
high time you guys started to dictate some logic into your organisation.
Everyone else seems to be promoting sports aviation, and yet the home of
the Europa seems to want to do the opposite. Approval of mods is about
safety, so tell me, how is a nav light/strobe combination dangerous?? I
know what I'd be doing to my Europa, and I wouldn't tell anyone till they
asked. A smart inspector would never notice.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 08:16 PM 8/9/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Returned yesterday from Glasgow (Cumbernauld) to Kemble through the
>fringes of Hurricane Alex - 35 kt headwind, 3* turbulence thru Scotland &
>Lake District, 22kts gusting 32kts on finals into Blackpool, etc. But the
>thing that really kept me awake was the embedded Cunims said to be in the
>front we were trying to outrun as it approached from the W. Much aware of
>the glider whose wings blew apart, and regretting having no chute! My
>rather anxious & rather seasick passenger managed to see two flashes,
>which I am pretty certain were reflections of the fin mounted strobe on
>the metal frame of his specs, but added something to the atmosphere!
> In the aftermath of this it was particularly interesting to read
> about Paul's strike, and many congratulations Paul on surviving! The
> point that I am coming to is that I would not expect to have survived a
> lightning strike on my plane yesterday. Having no nav lights, I guess the
> lightning path would have involved an arc across the enclosed wing space
> to the control runs. My understanding of the glider episode reports was
> that it was the massive heating of the air in an enclosed space that
> produced enough expansion to blow the wing apart, and I did not think
> that water was a key part of it (but I may be wrong on that).
> Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a ground
> wire from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant degree of protection.
> I had been thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK Permit
> privileges are extended, but this makes me feel that it would be worth
> getting on with it soonest. The glider report included analysis of
> lightning strike data for the day to give a close estimate of the
> strength of the strike. It would be interesting and possibly important,
> Paul if it were possible to get that info for your strike.
>David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&name=g
allery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18ac84fe3f
85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> Answer to both...got a wind tunnel? :-)
>
> It's a real skinny pipe, so ain't talking much.
You can have a rough estimate. See Hoerner's book 'Fluid dynamic drag'.
But a round pipe
> angled becomes a messy oval for less drag, as you implied. As I look
> at various production aircraft, seems they either don't care or know
> why they shouldn't care.
>
They actually don't care because they don't know why they sould ;-)
Drag reduction or internal flow dynamics is now a forgotten lore among light
aircraft manufacturers.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | FW: Fuselage dolly |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Field [mailto:peter.field@hgfield.co.uk]
Subject: Fuselage dolly
Having got our beast onto its wheels we no longer require our fuselage
dolly.
Despite the problems with EMIL I assume there may be a builder who would
appreciate its use. It has a metal framework, is on height adjustable wheels
and has cradles to support the fuselage. We found it extremely useful during
the stages before you get the wheels on.
It is a big piece of kit and will need a trailer or large flat bed lorry to
move it. It is located in Surrey, UK.
If you are interested please e mail me off forum.
Peter Field
peter@hgfield.co.uk
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Jeremy
I spoke to Manx Telecom on the subject and was told that they do have
roaming agreements with certain UK networks. Tri band phones should work
fine, but at a cost. The older types of single band phones probably wont
work, so for next years event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories. On the subject of scousers I don't
think we can generalise here as, after all its only a few of them that
get confused as to which pockets belong to them and which don't :-)
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Maybe all his dodgy mobiles signing on to the network caused the network
to pull access to all non-IoM mobiles?
Not that I'd ever assume a Scouser was dishonest by default, of
course...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Mine was an O2 triband. It works throughout Europe and the States. It
did not work there. I spoke to many people at the rally who confirmed
the same problem. Most interesting was the man (a Liverpudlian) who was
selling mobiles and accessories at the rally. It was him who explained
the problem to me. Surprisingly my wife managed to phone me during the
afternoon. She tried again later but was refused access for the rest of
the day.
Regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last
month
> in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked
> in Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at
> 10:30
pm.
> Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in
> Hertfordshire. I blame witchcraft.
>
> Rick Morris
> G-RIKS
>
>
==
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Tony, Just one thing to add to Jeremy Davey's reply: Most UK Europa builders
don't add nav lights because home built planes are restricted to daytime VFR
here. However, with harmonisation of EU flight rules there is a possibility
of that restriction being lifted in the reasonably near future.
& Fred, Perhaps in the context of lightning protection 'significant was too
positive a word, perhaps 'some' would have been more appropriate. Regards,
David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning strike
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> David and others,.
> With such valid testimony as to a safety benefit, surely your PFA isn't so
> anal that they wouldn't allow them? Why don't you disobey them and just
put
> them on
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: europa@triton.net
Hi Kevin,
We did just that. Cut off the original bump and smoothed the cowl. Looks
a lot better! Nevelle told us to point the exhaust at about the 5:00
position.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
XS mono about to paint
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
'so for next years event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories'
Do they both come with silicon in them?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Jeremy
I spoke to Manx Telecom on the subject and was told that they do have
roaming agreements with certain UK networks. Tri band phones should work
fine, but at a cost. The older types of single band phones probably wont
work, so for next years event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories. On the subject of scousers I don't
think we can generalise here as, after all its only a few of them that
get confused as to which pockets belong to them and which don't :-)
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Maybe all his dodgy mobiles signing on to the network caused the network
to pull access to all non-IoM mobiles?
Not that I'd ever assume a Scouser was dishonest by default, of
course...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Mine was an O2 triband. It works throughout Europe and the States. It
did not work there. I spoke to many people at the rally who confirmed
the same problem. Most interesting was the man (a Liverpudlian) who was
selling mobiles and accessories at the rally. It was him who explained
the problem to me. Surprisingly my wife managed to phone me during the
afternoon. She tried again later but was refused access for the rest of
the day.
Regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last
month
> in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked
> in Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at
> 10:30
pm.
> Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in
> Hertfordshire. I blame witchcraft.
>
> Rick Morris
> G-RIKS
>
>
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| Subject: | EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
I am planning to go to the Swiss Fly-In at Interlaken on the 20. - 22.8.
Any other Europas comming?
Regards Gert
http://www.experimental.ch/fly-in/LSMI/welcome.htm
Gert Dalgaard Soerensen
Denmark
Europa builder No. 151
Europa Classic / Rotax 914
AC reg.: OY-GDS
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| Subject: | Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Better silicon than "chips"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
'so for next years event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories'
Do they both come with silicon in them?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Jeremy
I spoke to Manx Telecom on the subject and was told that they do have
roaming agreements with certain UK networks. Tri band phones should work
fine, but at a cost. The older types of single band phones probably wont
work, so for next years event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories. On the subject of scousers I don't
think we can generalise here as, after all its only a few of them that
get confused as to which pockets belong to them and which don't :-) Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Maybe all his dodgy mobiles signing on to the network caused the network
to pull access to all non-IoM mobiles?
Not that I'd ever assume a Scouser was dishonest by default, of
course...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Mine was an O2 triband. It works throughout Europe and the States. It
did not work there. I spoke to many people at the rally who confirmed
the same problem. Most interesting was the man (a Liverpudlian) who was
selling mobiles and accessories at the rally. It was him who explained
the problem to me. Surprisingly my wife managed to phone me during the
afternoon. She tried again later but was refused access for the rest of
the day.
Regards Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMRRick@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly - In I.O.M. PHONES
> --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
>
> I have a tri-band Panasonic on Orange with roaming working in the last
month
> in Indianapolis, Naples Florida, Bermuda and Johannesburg that worked
> in Douglas IOM at 7:00 pm but refused point blank after the lecture at
> 10:30
pm.
> Mind you sometimes in won't work in the next village in
> Hertfordshire. I blame witchcraft.
>
> Rick Morris
> G-RIKS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
At last count there were 8 Europa's registered to attend the Swiss Rally
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> I am planning to go to the Swiss Fly-In at Interlaken on the 20. - 22.8.
> Any other Europas comming?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
I would also like the exhaust to go straight back for drag reasons, but the evolution
of operating the airplane has led to its current angle - quite down oriented.
Ease of removing the lower cowl plus mainly keeping exhaust fumes away
from the cockpit and the wing are the main reasons for the angle. I have thought
of welding a section on the aft of the exhaust to form a fairing shape, but
in reality I would never see the results in operation. Sometimes you just have
to get the thing into the air. It is way more fun to fly it with the draggy
exhaust than it is to stand there looking at it on the ground while pondering
all the ways to make it go 0.1 knot faster!
I am having withdrawal symptoms right now while waiting for the new carb flanges
to arrive!
Dave
A227 Mini U2
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| Subject: | Europa Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 09/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
>Good spot - I was going to make the same observations as you did.
>It was interesting to note that the article mentioned debts of 700,000 (or
>$1.3m to our Atlantic cousins).
>As an aside has anyone had any feedback on what Ivan thinks of this
>(financial) development in his design.
>Steve Pitt #403 Trigear
Yes
He is totally disgusted with the mess that has been created and
particularly that the liquidators will get plenty of fees out of it, at the
expense of paying customers. I hope anyone who paid in the last three
months took the trouble to stop their cheques, some of them were not paid
in to the bank until a few days ago I understand. Anyone ordered an
Airmaster recently? check your bank account.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust angle |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
You are in the position that I hoped to be someday. After 10 years and 1000
kits sold , I was expecting that I would now be building mine. At least I am
only out my deposit. Now if I can figure out a way to deduct my loss from my
income tax. I have enjoyed your web site.
Vaughn
Grounded for awhile
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust angle
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> I would also like the exhaust to go straight back for drag reasons, but
the evolution of operating the airplane has led to its current angle - quite
down oriented. Ease of removing the lower cowl plus mainly keeping exhaust
fumes away from the cockpit and the wing are the main reasons for the angle.
I have thought of welding a section on the aft of the exhaust to form a
fairing shape, but in reality I would never see the results in operation.
Sometimes you just have to get the thing into the air. It is way more fun to
fly it with the draggy exhaust than it is to stand there looking at it on
the ground while pondering all the ways to make it go 0.1 knot faster!
>
> I am having withdrawal symptoms right now while waiting for the new carb
flanges to arrive!
>
>
> Dave
> A227 Mini U2
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
I wish I was only out the price of a deposit. I am out the entire amount of Phase
II and III. Does anyone know if there is any legal action against Wilson?
I had a lot of personal dealings with him since April and if any deserves to
be in jail, it is him.
Larry A165
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| Subject: | Drop of the Brolley |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Tomorrow doesn't look too bad early on with showers later in the
afternoon. Anyone fancy a DOTH? I propose Enstone (freebie in Flyer)
unless anyone has a better idea. I will email the forum early tomorrow
to confirm once I have received an update on the weather.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Kevin,
There have been instances of the Europa fuselage skin wrinkling in the area
of the port wing leading-edge following either the loss of the exhaust
outlet pipe or the pipe being angled back too far to the rear. Apparently
this damage occurs during a single flight. A few months ago, Andy Draper
was looking into the problem. Although I believe these instances occurred
with 912 engines, the precise cause is not clear and it would seem wise to
keep to the standard geometry for the 914 also.
The aerodynamics around the cowl and the exhaust gas flow in the prop wash
are complex and not to be guessed at. You will have noted how the
large-diameter pipes coming out of a PT 6 turboprop, for example, seem to
stick out into the slipstream in a far from streamlined manner.
Fly safely
Mike Gregory
Europa Club Safety Officer
-----Original Message-----
Kevin Klinefelter Sent: 09 August 2004 18:24
...A less draggy look would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any
reason for not aiming the pipe a lot more aft?
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| Subject: | Electric Flap Actuator Base Dims |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Well, now that my module is in I can think about other things, and the
electric flaps come to mind. I know I can get the motor, and I am now
wondering about the anchorage point etc. If anyone received a Europa one,
and hopefully still has it sitting on a shelf, is it possible to uplink to
the forum a detail that shows the dimensions of the actuator base plate,
the one that goes on the floor, plus any installation instructions please???
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 8/10/04 7:15 AM, Lmorgan822@aol.com at Lmorgan822@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
>
> I wish I was only out the price of a deposit. I am out the entire amount of
> Phase II and III. Does anyone know if there is any legal action against
> Wilson? I had a lot of personal dealings with him since April and if any
> deserves to be in jail, it is him.
>
> Larry A165
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Larry,
You have all my simpathy; if I were you, I'd pursue my case w/ the
Administrators with a vengence. See previous postings for email and physical
addresses. I presume your checks have been cashed (sigh).
Just curious...with your kit # being 165...how have you come to be in this
sad position at this late date?
I'm still lacking plexiglas windows & windshield but I have to blame myself
for not ordering them sooner...because of the (apparent) sales success of
the Europa design, I never dreamed that the company would head down the
tubes.
Fred
A194 (delivered in fall of 2001)
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| Subject: | Lightning strike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Tony
Unfortunately mod approval is also about insurance. If the aeroplane
has non approved mods, then very probably the permit to fly is not valid
and hence the insurance cover is not valid either. QED.
Regards
Pete
aTo: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning strike
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
--> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
David and others,.
With such valid testimony as to a safety benefit, surely your PFA isn't
so
anal that they wouldn't allow them? Why don't you disobey them and just
put
them on? I know of one fellow who did what he wanted on his a/c, a
Europa,
and PFA played catchup finally approving all that he did. I think its
about
high time you guys started to dictate some logic into your organisation.
Everyone else seems to be promoting sports aviation, and yet the home of
the Europa seems to want to do the opposite. Approval of mods is about
safety, so tell me, how is a nav light/strobe combination dangerous?? I
know what I'd be doing to my Europa, and I wouldn't tell anyone till
they
asked. A smart inspector would never notice.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 08:16 PM 8/9/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
>--> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>Returned yesterday from Glasgow (Cumbernauld) to Kemble through the
>fringes of Hurricane Alex - 35 kt headwind, 3* turbulence thru Scotland
&
>Lake District, 22kts gusting 32kts on finals into Blackpool, etc. But
the
>thing that really kept me awake was the embedded Cunims said to be in
the
>front we were trying to outrun as it approached from the W. Much aware
of
>the glider whose wings blew apart, and regretting having no chute! My
>rather anxious & rather seasick passenger managed to see two flashes,
>which I am pretty certain were reflections of the fin mounted strobe on
>the metal frame of his specs, but added something to the atmosphere!
> In the aftermath of this it was particularly interesting to read
> about Paul's strike, and many congratulations Paul on surviving! The
> point that I am coming to is that I would not expect to have survived
a
> lightning strike on my plane yesterday. Having no nav lights, I guess
the
> lightning path would have involved an arc across the enclosed wing
space
> to the control runs. My understanding of the glider episode reports
was
> that it was the massive heating of the air in an enclosed space that
> produced enough expansion to blow the wing apart, and I did not think
> that water was a key part of it (but I may be wrong on that).
> Paul's experience strongly suggests that the fitting of a
ground
> wire from wing tip to wing tip gives a significant degree of
protection.
> I had been thinking of retro-fitting nav lights when/if UK Permit
> privileges are extended, but this makes me feel that it would be worth
> getting on with it soonest. The glider report included analysis of
> lightning strike data for the day to give a close estimate of the
> strength of the strike. It would be interesting and possibly
important,
> Paul if it were possible to get that info for your strike.
>David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TonyR&op=modload&na
me=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=902b69917a45f8b18
ac84fe3f85a704b
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Europa POH (Pilot's Manual) |
08/10/2004 02:31:28 PM,
Serialize complete at 08/10/2004 02:31:28 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings all,
I placed, for public consumption, a MS Word formatted
version of the XS Trigear POH.
It has many additions, extensions, and improvements
however,
PFA Disclaimer--------------------------
I translated the language as best I could from the Q's E to
american E, plus I added entry speeds for (horrors) acrobatic
maneuver entry speeds (from the factory no less ;-) ) and other
non PFA material.
Use it or not, up to you.
I intend it to be a living document with continual revision from
contributions and my own flight experience
Find the manual at http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?t=52
Ira N224XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Wrightcrw@aol.com
Larry
You will need to take this up with the Administrator. The Administrator has to
do a report on the Directors of the business. This evidence forms part of the
Creditor Questionnaire which hopefully you have received. It is therefore an
onous of all the creditors to provide as much factual evidence as they can.
Any information that can be provided to prove trading whilst knowingly insolvent,
mirepresentation, or fraud may lead to the Department of Trade and Industry
taking legal action against the Director(s) personally. Any Director convicted
of wrongful acts could lead to he or she being prevented from being a Director
of a company in the future and in serious cases criminal procedures may
be taken which could lead to imprisonment. In these situations where the general
public are involved the DTI are likely to be particularly aggressive.
Unfortunately non of this will necessarily help in getting your money back.
regards
Craig Wright
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
My exhaust pipe (Rotax standard, not Factory standard) pointed straight down
and protruded about 12". I cut it down to 6".
Speed gain was a big fat zero.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> > It looks like the new muffler (silencer) makes the
> > bulge in the cowling no longer necessary? I was thinking cutting it
> off and
> > re-glassing the area smooth and symmetrical with the other
> side...Probably a
> > lot work for a tiny reduction in drag?
> >
> > Also the new tailpipe is longer. I have noticed on the XS (pictures)
> that
> > the pipe is pointing pretty much down instead of back. A less draggy
> look
> > would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any reason for not
> aiming
> > the pipe a lot more aft?
>
> Answer to both...got a wind tunnel? :-)
>
> It's a real skinny pipe, so ain't talking much. But a round pipe
> angled becomes a messy oval for less drag, as you implied. As I look
> at various production aircraft, seems they either don't care or know
> why they shouldn't care.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
At least thirteen from the UK are currently planning to be there!
Duncan Mcf
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From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> I am planning to go to the Swiss Fly-In at Interlaken on the 20. - 22.8.
> Any other Europas comming?
> Regards Gert
>
> http://www.experimental.ch/fly-in/LSMI/welcome.htm
>
>
> Gert Dalgaard Soerensen
> Denmark
>
> Europa builder No. 151
> Europa Classic / Rotax 914
> AC reg.: OY-GDS
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
<event I will be offering " flying girlfriends"
complete with tri band accessories.>
Alan.
Can you book me in for next year please?
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Five Europas on the Six Nations tour hope to arrive at Interlaken sometime
on Friday p.m..
Looking forward to seeing you there,
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: EAA Fly-In Interlaken, CH
> --> Europa-List message posted by:
>
> I am planning to go to the Swiss Fly-In at Interlaken on the 20. - 22.8.
> Any other Europas comming?
> Regards Gert
>
> http://www.experimental.ch/fly-in/LSMI/welcome.htm
>
>
> Gert Dalgaard Soerensen
> Denmark
>
> Europa builder No. 151
> Europa Classic / Rotax 914
> AC reg.: OY-GDS
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust Supplier E Mail Address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
For those who wish to know the e-mail address of CKT Aero (I omitted accidentally)
:
chrispiper@ckt-engineering.fsnet.co.uk
and
www.ckt-eng.com
Tony.
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| Subject: | Fw: Exhaust Supplier E Mail Address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Bale
Subject: Exhaust Supplier E Mail Address
For those who wish to know the e-mail address of CKT Aero (I omitted accidentally)
:
chrispiper@ckt-engineering.fsnet.co.uk
and
www.ckt-eng.com
Tony.
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| Subject: | plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time before
the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel as to
whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard to its
desireability for night flying.
Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields plus the
occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
Any thoughts?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Acrylic plastic transmits about 92% of the visible light and polycarbonate
transmits about 89% (and most glasses are in the same range) so whichever
material is in the windscreen (and it is very likely one of these plastics)
the "clear" plastic will reduce the amount of light by a significant amount.
The human eye is a rather accommodating organ and with a little help from
the brain fools us into thinking that clear glass is not reducing the amount
of light passing through it, and in bright daylight we really can not tell
the difference. Not so at night. Most (all?) of us would not even consider
flying at night while wearing sunglasses so why would we want tinted windows
where transmission is dramatically less than for the clear product?
Consider also whether you require corrective lenses (spectacles or contacts)
because now the starting point with clear plastic is with about 80% to 85%
transmission (best case: 0.92 times 0.92 = 0.85). It could be even worse -
photochromic ophthalmic lenses (the kind that get darker in daylight)
transmit only a maximum of about 85% (hmmm, here the best case is 0.92 times
0.85 = 0.78). Wow, it looks like those of us that do not have perfect
vision really should be sucking on oxygen at night.
For those folks that have not yet seen the tinted stuff from Europa, be
aware that it is nothing like the tinted glass used in automotive windows.
It's dark, REALLY DARK, so I swapped the tinted for clear. For me that was
a "no-brainer" decision.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
Subject: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time before
the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel as to
whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard to its
desireability for night flying.
Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields plus the
occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
Any thoughts?
Fred
A194
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
to Alan Burrows
Another yes please send photos from
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz working on flap controls
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pump
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi everyone
> I now have pictures of my system for refuelling the aircraft, the
> plastic container is about 25 ltrs and is available from demon tweeks.
> The whole process takes about 2 mins per can. Please don't ask me about
> pumping capacity or anything technical. I just know it works and is
> simple. Anyone wanting to see them drop me a note with your email
> address Cheers.. Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Sorry to hear your story. I hope for everyone's sake that Europa will
bounce back into business. I am A178, only a few numbers after you. One
of the reasons I selected the Europa over other airplanes was the
perceived stability of the company.
I don't have any of the firewall forward stuff. When I bought the kit I
did not realize that there were Europa-specific parts to the FW kit.
Had I known, I would have bought that too.
--- Lmorgan822@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
>
> I wish I was only out the price of a deposit. I am out the entire
> amount of Phase II and III. Does anyone know if there is any legal
> action against Wilson? I had a lot of personal dealings with him
> since April and if any deserves to be in jail, it is him.
>
> Larry A165
>
>
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Rob Housman wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
>Acrylic plastic transmits about 92% of the visible light and polycarbonate
>transmits about 89% (and most glasses are in the same range) so whichever
>material is in the windscreen (and it is very likely one of these plastics)
>the "clear" plastic will reduce the amount of light by a significant amount.
>The human eye is a rather accommodating organ and with a little help from
>the brain fools us into thinking that clear glass is not reducing the amount
>of light passing through it, and in bright daylight we really can not tell
>the difference. Not so at night. Most (all?) of us would not even consider
>flying at night while wearing sunglasses so why would we want tinted windows
>where transmission is dramatically less than for the clear product?
>
>Consider also whether you require corrective lenses (spectacles or contacts)
>because now the starting point with clear plastic is with about 80% to 85%
>transmission (best case: 0.92 times 0.92 = 0.85). It could be even worse -
>photochromic ophthalmic lenses (the kind that get darker in daylight)
>transmit only a maximum of about 85% (hmmm, here the best case is 0.92 times
>0.85 = 0.78). Wow, it looks like those of us that do not have perfect
>vision really should be sucking on oxygen at night.
>
>For those folks that have not yet seen the tinted stuff from Europa, be
>aware that it is nothing like the tinted glass used in automotive windows.
>It's dark, REALLY DARK, so I swapped the tinted for clear. For me that was
>a "no-brainer" decision.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rob Housman
>Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
>Airframe complete
>Irvine, CA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time before
>the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel as to
>whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
>
>Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
>
>Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard to its
>desireability for night flying.
>
>Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields plus the
>occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Fred
>A194
>
>
>
I was fortunate enough to get the older, light grey tinted plastic, as
my kit was 4 years old when I bought it. I really like the color.
do not archive
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Rob,
Thanks for your explanation. I recently decided I will go with clear
windows because the tinted ones will mess up the color balance
of photos.
At OSH I spoke with the US manufacturer of the windows and he
said that he can not at this point sell us windows. If Europa does not
survive he will then be able to sell us windows. He was not able to
give me a price.
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Acrylic plastic transmits about 92% of the visible light and polycarbonate
> transmits about 89% (and most glasses are in the same range) so whichever
> material is in the windscreen (and it is very likely one of these
plastics)
> the "clear" plastic will reduce the amount of light by a significant
amount.
> The human eye is a rather accommodating organ and with a little help from
> the brain fools us into thinking that clear glass is not reducing the
amount
> of light passing through it, and in bright daylight we really can not tell
> the difference. Not so at night. Most (all?) of us would not even
consider
> flying at night while wearing sunglasses so why would we want tinted
windows
> where transmission is dramatically less than for the clear product?
>
> Consider also whether you require corrective lenses (spectacles or
contacts)
> because now the starting point with clear plastic is with about 80% to 85%
> transmission (best case: 0.92 times 0.92 = 0.85). It could be even
worse -
> photochromic ophthalmic lenses (the kind that get darker in daylight)
> transmit only a maximum of about 85% (hmmm, here the best case is 0.92
times
> 0.85 = 0.78). Wow, it looks like those of us that do not have perfect
> vision really should be sucking on oxygen at night.
>
> For those folks that have not yet seen the tinted stuff from Europa, be
> aware that it is nothing like the tinted glass used in automotive windows.
> It's dark, REALLY DARK, so I swapped the tinted for clear. For me that
was
> a "no-brainer" decision.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time
before
> the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel as to
> whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
>
> Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
>
> Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard to
its
> desireability for night flying.
>
> Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields plus
the
> occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Larry
All is not lost if Europa doesn't survive. You can get a Jabiru fwf
that is very complete. I am hoping it is also an improvement.. It
appears so to me.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Sarangan
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Sorry to hear your story. I hope for everyone's sake that Europa will
bounce back into business. I am A178, only a few numbers after you. One
of the reasons I selected the Europa over other airplanes was the
perceived stability of the company.
I don't have any of the firewall forward stuff. When I bought the kit I
did not realize that there were Europa-specific parts to the FW kit.
Had I known, I would have bought that too.
--- Lmorgan822@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
>
> I wish I was only out the price of a deposit. I am out the entire
> amount of Phase II and III. Does anyone know if there is any legal
> action against Wilson? I had a lot of personal dealings with him
> since April and if any deserves to be in jail, it is him.
>
> Larry A165
>
>
=====
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.geocities.com/asarangan
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Exhaust SB12 Mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Bale
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Exhaust SB12 Mod
Roger,
SB12 entitled 912/912S exhaust silencer - baffle security, mandatory,
compliance before next flight, applicable to 912 / 912S exhausts supplied between
begining May 2000 and end May 2003.
Basically if an internal baffle becomes dislodged it can fail and block the silencer
outlet - outcome, the donkey stops nodding. The non affected silencers have
a perforated inner skin which if a baffle fails, it will not block the outlet.
The test is pretty basic stuff, remove the lower cowling if necessary, remove the
angled tailpipe and insert a piece of bent wire (welding rod or vintage coat
hanger) move the wire along the inside of the top of the silencer and if it
snags, or you can hear / feel it catching on the perforated inner skin, all is
okay - you have the later design. If however the inside of the silencer is smooth,
you have the earlier type which needs the modification.
Modification is the insertion of a perforated tube which goes from the outlet spigot
to the other side of the silencer, therefore preventing a collapsed baffle
from sealing the outlet. You then re assemble, ground run, check full revs,
annotate the logbook - job done.
Regards
Tony.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Mills
To: 'Tony Bale'
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Exhaust Supplier
Tony,
I was interested in your e-mail because I seem to have missed SB12 and it doesn't
appear on the Europa Web site. Can you give me details please and the applicability
(I have a Europa Classic with 912 UL and the latest S/S exhaust system)?
Many thanks
Roger Mills
G-BVUV
141
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| Subject: | Drop of the Hat fly in .. not. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Fellow DOTHatter's. Sorry but the forecast from Lancashire doesn't look
too good this morning. It's foggy at present and poor viz + low cloud
forecast until 1200 then TS/HVY RA SH possible this afternoon so, having
called the fly in, I am going to back out.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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