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1. 01:15 AM - Hatdroppers Sat 14 Aug (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
2. 01:54 AM - Re: Drop of the Hat fly in .. not. (William Mills)
3. 02:49 AM - Re: Aircraft Manual (POH) (p-a.austin)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Alan Burrows)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Gerry Holland)
6. 05:38 AM - Re: Loss (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (europa@triton.net)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: plexiglas/perspex (europa@triton.net)
9. 06:26 AM - Can anyone help? (Gerry Holland)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: Hatdroppers Sat 14 Aug (R.C.Harrison)
11. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: plexiglas/perspex (Fred Fillinger)
12. 07:32 AM - Re: Can anyone help? (G-IANI)
13. 07:58 AM - Re: Can anyone help? (Gerry Holland)
14. 10:53 AM - Re: Loss ()
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Rowland Carson)
16. 11:51 AM - Wanted Mod... (Alain)
17. 12:23 PM - Mono trailer ()
18. 12:30 PM - Wiring query (Simon Smith)
19. 12:54 PM - Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe (Duncan McFadyean)
20. 01:04 PM - windows (Paul Stewart)
21. 02:32 PM - Re: Can anyone help? (Rowland Carson)
22. 02:32 PM - Re: Wiring query (Rob Housman)
23. 02:54 PM - Re: Can anyone help? (Gerry Holland)
24. 02:56 PM - Re: windows (Gerry Holland)
25. 02:58 PM - (Alan Gilbert)
26. 03:55 PM - Re: Wiring query (M.J. Gregory)
27. 03:57 PM - Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components (Tony Renshaw)
28. 04:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
29. 04:24 PM - Plexiglas tint (Graham Singleton)
30. 04:37 PM - plexiglas/perspex (Graham Singleton)
31. 04:37 PM - Loss (Graham Singleton)
32. 04:53 PM - Re: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components (Rocketman)
33. 06:25 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Joseph J. Like)
34. 06:54 PM - plexiglas/perspex (Fred R. Klein)
35. 07:03 PM - Flying report OSHKOSH (Cliff Shaw)
36. 08:54 PM - Re: Flying report OSHKOSH (Kingsley Hurst)
37. 11:23 PM - Re: Wiring query (Steven Pitt)
38. 11:29 PM - Re: Loss (JR (Bob) Gowing)
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| Subject: | Hatdroppers Sat 14 Aug |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Hello Hatdroppers,
In the spirit of the weekday 'Hat droppers', how about this for us weekenders
too:
<<<
What's going on at Eddsfield Airfield, east Yorkshire, UK:
You are invited to a "Golden Fly In" at Eddsfield on Saturday the 14th August
No charge for landing or refreshments.
Donations to Yorkshire Air Ambulance appreciated.
PPR and info at:
http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/
>>>
chus,
dave
ps - I reckon its the flattest, smoothest grass strip in the country...
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the Hat fly in .. not. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
See what it is like tomorrow
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the Hat fly in .. not.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> Fellow DOTHatter's. Sorry but the forecast from Lancashire doesn't look
> too good this morning. It's foggy at present and poor viz + low cloud
> forecast until 1200 then TS/HVY RA SH possible this afternoon so, having
> called the fly in, I am going to back out.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual (POH) |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
Thanks to all the replies on and off list.
Regards
Peter
Classic #198
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Everyone
I have managed to get hold of Four fuel pumps so far. They are made in
China but supplied by some company in Japan. I am trying to get in touch
with the manufacturers to see if they will supply more, but thats all
down to finding someone who can speak both languages ( not easy). The
four I have are available at 35 each plus P&P (probably about 4). This
is a none profit thing for me. I am simply passing them on at what they
have cost me. First four to respond get them everyone else will have to
wait till I find some more.
Cheers
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Alan Hi!
> I have managed to get hold of Four fuel pumps so far. They are made in
> China but supplied by some company in Japan. I am trying to get in touch
> with the manufacturers to see if they will supply more, but thats all
> down to finding someone who can speak both languages ( not easy). The
> four I have are available at 35 each plus P&P (probably about 4). This
> is a none profit thing for me. I am simply passing them on at what they
> have cost me. First four to respond get them everyone else will have to
> wait till I find some more.
WANT ONE!!! Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine very near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit in constructed and fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Tom. Where do we find information on this Jabaru FWF kit?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: europa@triton.net
Hi Kevin,
I forgot to add that we had to bump out the lower cowl to clear the front
starboard exhaust pipe. I got a drawing from Martin at AirMaster that
shows the cowl needs to be 1" behind the prop flange. When put in place,
the cowl hit the exhaust.
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: europa@triton.net
We talked to the LP Aerospace guys at OSH and looked at the plex samples
they had there. They suggested a very light gray tint which is what we
got. It looks fine in the driveway even at night ( not yet flying!).
From flying sailplanes, I think you need a little tint if you fly in day
VFR conditions!
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Can anyone help? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Someone who is a victim of the Europa =8Csituation=B9 and rechecking his
inventory has asked this question. I cannot find the part in my Manual.
I would like to know if you can tell me what "Euro 54 and 55" are . One
parts list has it listed (newer list) whereas the older list ( the one I
found in the boxes of bits) does not.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Hatdroppers Sat 14 Aug |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Dave.
I'm familiar with Eddsfield, they make you very welcome. You are correct
about the strip. However watch out for the mast and wind shear from the
trees all at the eastern end. If landing from the east get it down quickly
without hitting the trees !!!! Regards to Kevin Taylor at the club house.
I can't make it, sorry.
Regards
Bob H. G-PTAG
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DaveBuzz@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Hatdroppers Sat 14 Aug
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
>
> Hello Hatdroppers,
>
> In the spirit of the weekday 'Hat droppers', how about this for us
weekenders too:
>
> <<<
> What's going on at Eddsfield Airfield, east Yorkshire, UK:
>
> You are invited to a "Golden Fly In" at Eddsfield on Saturday the 14th
August
> No charge for landing or refreshments.
> Donations to Yorkshire Air Ambulance appreciated.
> PPR and info at:
>
> http://www.eastyorkshire.co.uk/eddsfield/
> >>>
>
> chus,
> dave
> ps - I reckon its the flattest, smoothest grass strip in the country...
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> From flying sailplanes, I think you need a little tint if you fly in
day VFR conditions!
>
> Jim & Heather A185
>
I agree with what they say about amber, in the way it enhances
contrast for best spotting other traffic. Hence my sunglasses have
always been amber. And with amber Europa glass, I need not wear
glasses at all, and they can get annoying clamped by a headset.
'Course, an opinion from someone who has amber plexi to install, and
under present circumstances....
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Can anyone help? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
EURO 54 is the vent fitting tube (TU25RM Ali tube) see page 16.1 of the
manual
EURO 55 is the stainless steel tube used for the vents see page 30.1 of the
manual
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Subject: Europa-List: Can anyone help?
I would like to know if you can tell me what "Euro 54 and 55" are . One
parts list has it listed (newer list) whereas the older list ( the one I
found in the boxes of bits) does not.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone help? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Ian Hi!
> EURO 54 is the vent fitting tube (TU25RM Ali tube) see page 16.1 of the
> manual
>
> EURO 55 is the stainless steel tube used for the vents see page 30.1 of the
> manual
Thanks for this information.
Regards
Gerry
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Brian
The Jabiru web page is at jabiru.net.au and your dealer is
suncoastjabiru.com
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Tom. Where do we find information on this Jabaru FWF kit?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-09 19:33 -0700 Dale G. HetriG Hetrick wrote:
>#A140 now with 42 hours!
Dale - it take it this means N176DH is now flying. I must have been
asleep when you announced the first flight! Please let me have the
first flight info so I can add you to the fleet hours table. I'd like
to know build hours, engine, prop, empty weight, plus location, date
& pilot for first flight.
Belated congratulations anyway.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alain" <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Hi all,
I look for two mods
- Mod047 (Extended baggage bay)
- Mod052 (Gross weight increase)
If somebody have this kit for sale,
Thank you for sending me a email
alainchabert@wanadoo.fr
Best regards
A.CHABERT
EUROPA N=B0 275 F-PSLY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Does anyone have plans for a monowheel trailer they would be willing to
share? I will have to have one custom built and there aren't any close
by to copy.
Tom Friedland A079 N96V
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the diagram on
Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am using a
battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the 30amp
slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp CB's.
I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything seems to
work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt master CB is
pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does it
matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
Cheers
Simon
#504 G-BZTN
80% done 90% left to do!
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| Subject: | Re: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>> You will have noted how the
large-diameter pipes coming out of a PT 6 turboprop, for example, seem to
stick out into the slipstream in a far from streamlined manner.<<
I think that has more to do with provision of predictable and consistent
backpressures and the critical affect of these on EGTs.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: New 914 Exhuast muffler and tailpipe
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Kevin,
>
> There have been instances of the Europa fuselage skin wrinkling in the
area
> of the port wing leading-edge following either the loss of the exhaust
> outlet pipe or the pipe being angled back too far to the rear. Apparently
> this damage occurs during a single flight. A few months ago, Andy Draper
> was looking into the problem. Although I believe these instances occurred
> with 912 engines, the precise cause is not clear and it would seem wise to
> keep to the standard geometry for the 914 also.
>
> The aerodynamics around the cowl and the exhaust gas flow in the prop wash
> are complex and not to be guessed at. You will have noted how the
> large-diameter pipes coming out of a PT 6 turboprop, for example, seem to
> stick out into the slipstream in a far from streamlined manner.
>
> Fly safely
>
> Mike Gregory
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Kevin Klinefelter Sent: 09 August 2004 18:24
> ...A less draggy look would be aimed back with the flow more. Is there any
> reason for not aiming the pipe a lot more aft?
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone give me a guesstimate of how much redux I'm likely to need to
bond in the windows. windscreen and the wing root fairings - I've got
less than 1/4 of a 1kg tin.
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone help? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-11 14:26 +0100 Gerry Holland wrote:
>I would like to know if you can tell me what "Euro 54 and 55" are
Gerry - from my parts list (on the famous CD-ROM .....) I have
exported the following relevant records:
EURO54 12" length TU43RM I guess this is the steel one 30-1-2, 30-5-2
EURO55 12" length TU25RM I guess this is the alloy one 16-1-2
They are part of the fuselage kit and the last numbers in each line
are the relevant pages in my monowheel manual. My guesses about which
is which were because they were not well labelled - I think there was
one piece of drafting tape around them with both numbers on it!
regards
Rowland
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| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
A common misconception is that fuses or circuit breakers protect devices.
Not so. The protection is for the wire, or more precisely, the insulation
on the wire. A given wire-insulation combination can carry a certain
maximum current for a specified maximum temperature increase, and circuit
protection devices are selected on this basis.
If in your example the wire is both short in length and physically protected
from contacting anything that could make a short circuit in the event the
insulation is compromised, protection in the form of a fuse or CB is not
required.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: Europa-List: Wiring query
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the diagram on
Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am using a
battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the 30amp
slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp CB's.
I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything seems to
work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt master CB is
pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does it
matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
Cheers
Simon
#504 G-BZTN
80% done 90% left to do!
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone help? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Rowland Hi!
Many Thanks for the Parts information and to the others who responded as
well.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine very near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit constructed and fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Paul Hi!
> Can anyone give me a guesstimate of how much redux I'm likely to need to
> bond in the windows. windscreen and the wing root fairings - I've got
> less than 1/4 of a 1kg tin.
That will be plenty. Mine fitted well and bonded with quite a thin film.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine very near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit constructed and fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Simon,
A further point to note about Issue 4 of the circuit diagram is that the 30
amp slow blow fuses for both the battery and the alternator supply cable
protection are positioned on the firewall side as close as conveniently
possible to their power sources. This gives maximum protection to the
cables leading through to the cockpit and bus bars against the possibility
of a short circuit to ground causing them to smoke. If instead of these
fuses you have installed circuit breakers that are mounted on your panel,
then you must take particular care to ensure that you have good physical
protection for the cables leading up to them. This applies not just to your
initial installation, but to any subsequent maintenance or modification you
may do that might affect the integrity of these cables during the life of
the aircraft.
The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit breaker to
protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In contrast,
there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because that is
supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
Regards
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
A common misconception is that fuses or circuit breakers protect devices.
Not so. The protection is for the wire, or more precisely, the insulation
on the wire. A given wire-insulation combination can carry a certain
maximum current for a specified maximum temperature increase, and circuit
protection devices are selected on this basis.
If in your example the wire is both short in length and physically protected
from contacting anything that could make a short circuit in the event the
insulation is compromised, protection in the form of a fuse or CB is not
required.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: Europa-List: Wiring query
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the diagram on
Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am using a
battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the 30amp
slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp CB's.
I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything seems to
work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt master CB is
pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does it
matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
Cheers
Simon
#504 G-BZTN
80% done 90% left to do!
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| Subject: | Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am going to purchase one of Alan Burrows fuel transfer devices and was
wondering if PayPal is the easy way to go. I haven't looked into it yet,
other than to note one fellow on e-Bay who would not accept PayPal
payments, reason unknown. So, is this a good way to get a small amount of
money from one side of the world to the other?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
Tail Torque Tube installed.
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a sticky
situation
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
Roland,
The first flight was on Jan 3, 2004 and the test pilot was Bob Lindsay,
Cmdr (Ret) All went well during the 30 minute flight. The plane took
over 5 years to build (it's a tri- gear) and weighed in at a heavy 925
pounds. The engine is a Jabiru 3300 and the prop was also made by
Jabiru. The plane now has about 42 hours on it having just passed the
FAA 40 hour required fly-off time. Presently, the plane is located at
Ramona Airport (RNM) but I may be moving it soon to either French Valley
(F70) or my home base at Fallbrook (L18). If you need more info, please
let me know.
Regards,
Dale
#140
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 10/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time before
>the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel as to
>whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
>
>Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
>
>Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard to its
>desireability for night flying.
>
>Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields plus the
>occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
>
>Any thoughts?
Yes, I have, {;-)
I chose bronze because it removes only blue end of the spectrum, which
mostly includes the light scattered by haze, dust etc. There is a
noticeable increase in contrast, this is why the best pilots sunglasses are
bronze too. Grey tint removes all frequencies so reduces overall
information content with no improvement in contrast.
If night flying is important it may be that clear is the best. Clear is
best fpor photography too of course although really a direct vision panel
is neede, there are always reflections from inside the cockpit
Graham
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| Subject: | plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 10/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Rob,
>Thanks for your explanation. I recently decided I will go with clear
>windows because the tinted ones will mess up the color balance
>of photos.
>
>At OSH I spoke with the US manufacturer of the windows and he
>said that he can not at this point sell us windows. If Europa does not
>survive he will then be able to sell us windows. He was not able to
>give me a price.
>
>John, A230
John
that implies that he thinks someone will get the company going again. I
think so too,I hope we are right, the world needs airplanes like the
Europa, how else can I get economical rides to Lapland and elsewhere? I am
scared my Lycosaurus powered Long EZ will burn too much expensive Avgas!
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 10/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Loss
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
>Hi Larry
>All is not lost if Europa doesn't survive. You can get a Jabiru fwf
>that is very complete. I am hoping it is also an improvement.. It
>appears so to me.
>Tom
Tom
not to me, I'm afraid. The Jab is an attractive option price and simplicity
wise but it will never be as efficient as a liquid cooled engine. The prop
turns too fast for efficiency too. Worse, the cylinder heads have a
reputation for warping unless installation is perfect.
Graham
(hope I'm wrong but ?)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Tony Renshaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I am going to purchase one of Alan Burrows fuel transfer devices and was
>wondering if PayPal is the easy way to go. I haven't looked into it yet,
>other than to note one fellow on e-Bay who would not accept PayPal
>payments, reason unknown. So, is this a good way to get a small amount of
>money from one side of the world to the other?
>
>
>
Tony,
I have two businesses set up to use Paypal. Works fine and is as cheap
as using any credit card...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <n952jl@cox.net>
Rob,
I would love to have a pdf version of the POH. I'm kit A086. I
purchased by stage one from someone who had a change of life and could
not start the project. That was five years ago. Stage two and three
were purchased from lakeland.
My XS kit did not come with a POH as they were not written at that
time. I know I'm building a Mono instead of a Tri but I would love to
have a copy anyway.
Joseph J. Like
A086
joelike@cox.net
N952JL@cox.net
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| Subject: | plexiglas/perspex |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> Yes, I have, {;-)
> I chose bronze because it removes only blue end of the spectrum, which
> mostly includes the light scattered by haze, dust etc. There is a
> noticeable increase in contrast, this is why the best pilots sunglasses are
> bronze too. Grey tint removes all frequencies so reduces overall
> information content with no improvement in contrast.
> If night flying is important it may be that clear is the best. Clear is
> best fpor photography too of course although really a direct vision panel
> is neede, there are always reflections from inside the cockpit
> Graham
Well...thank you All!
Clear it is (for me, anyway) as I recall trying my Sun Tiger blue-blocker
sunglasses at night...they didn't stay on very long!
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Flying report OSHKOSH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
The wife and I have just completed the biggest adventure of our life. It
was a trip to Oshkosh EAA convention. What a big event. We flew cross
country 1,657 miles, over the Rocky Mountains in Montana and across North
Dakota. When departing the Fly-in we headed SW 1,519 miles to visit my
ageing Dad in Arizona. Then over to California and North to KPAE, Everett,
Washington USA , home ! The total distance was 4,632 miles, in 36 flying
hours. The hole trip was a series of short two to three hour trips. I
planned to go from airport to airport, checking the weather ahead each stop.
We had some very interesting experiences with free cars and being strangers
in small towns. The weather was very good for flying. Hot though! Like in
Pratt, Kansas, where we bought gas and had a rest. It was 101 F with a
humidly so high it looked like it would rain.
The hottest I saw the H2O temperature on my engine monitor was 100C and the
oil never got that high. I attribute this to the cooling mods I have done
to the intake and exit air and the relocation of the oil cooler. The weather
was hot every where we flew. I went up to 8500 feet lots of times to get
OAT down to 75F.
In servicing the plane today, I found a crack in my muffler (silencer). The
weld broke on the aft port side inlet. Fortunately there was a forum
subject the other day about the supplier Europa used for the muffler. I am
hoping I can buy a replacement and get flying again. We had so much fun.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
"Wile E. Coyote" N229WC
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| Subject: | Flying report OSHKOSH |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Cliff Shaw wrote :
> The wife and I have just completed the biggest adventure of our life .
. . . . . . . . .
Cliff,
It heartens me to read of your adventure and the air of excitement it
conveys.
This is exactly the sort of thing I am looking forward to doing myself
one day cause that is what I reckon all this home building business is
about.
If I wasn't at work at the moment, I'd be back on the job with renewed
enthusiasm so thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Mike - when you say 'physical protection' are you talking about anti
chaffing or 'p' clip support?
I have put both of my cbs in the panel but have tried to anchor every 3-4''.
Where I breach the firewall I have put in a proper bulkhead seal which I
will fill with silicone once the panel is finally in.
Steve Pitt #403
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Simon,
>
> A further point to note about Issue 4 of the circuit diagram is that the
30
> amp slow blow fuses for both the battery and the alternator supply cable
> protection are positioned on the firewall side as close as conveniently
> possible to their power sources. This gives maximum protection to the
> cables leading through to the cockpit and bus bars against the possibility
> of a short circuit to ground causing them to smoke. If instead of these
> fuses you have installed circuit breakers that are mounted on your panel,
> then you must take particular care to ensure that you have good physical
> protection for the cables leading up to them. This applies not just to
your
> initial installation, but to any subsequent maintenance or modification
you
> may do that might affect the integrity of these cables during the life of
> the aircraft.
>
> The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit breaker
to
> protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In contrast,
> there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because that is
> supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> A common misconception is that fuses or circuit breakers protect devices.
> Not so. The protection is for the wire, or more precisely, the insulation
> on the wire. A given wire-insulation combination can carry a certain
> maximum current for a specified maximum temperature increase, and circuit
> protection devices are selected on this basis.
>
> If in your example the wire is both short in length and physically
protected
> from contacting anything that could make a short circuit in the event the
> insulation is compromised, protection in the form of a fuse or CB is not
> required.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the diagram on
> Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am using a
> battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the 30amp
> slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp CB's.
>
> I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything seems to
> work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt master CB
is
> pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
> energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does it
> matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
> #504 G-BZTN
> 80% done 90% left to do!
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Brian S.
Jim McAvoy is the Aust Representative for Europa - jimca@ozemail.com.au and
is using Jabiru himself.
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 finalising flap mechanism
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Tom. Where do we find information on this Jabaru FWF kit?
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
>
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