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1. 01:27 AM - Re: Throttle setting software (Simon Smith)
2. 02:02 AM - Re: Throttle setting software (G-IANI)
3. 07:52 AM - pump packaging. (Annalights@aol.com)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: Throttle setting software (Paul Boulet)
5. 01:10 PM - Re: Re:MonoTrailer ()
6. 01:50 PM - Oil Thermostat? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: Oil Thermostat? (Cliff Shaw)
8. 03:03 PM - AirMap 1000 (Steve Crimm)
9. 07:02 PM - Re: Oil Thermostat? (James Nelson)
10. 07:02 PM - Re: AirMap 1000 (James Nelson)
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| Subject: | Throttle setting software |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
It is still available on the Europa aircraft website.
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Builder%20Support/BuilderSupport.htm
Down at the bottom of the page.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Subject: Europa-List: Throttle setting software
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Does anyone out there have the throttle setting software for the 914 they
can e-mail me? Also any tips or issues on its use?
Thanks
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Throttle setting software |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
"Does anyone out there have the throttle setting software for the 914 they
can e-mail me? Also any tips or issues on its use?"
You will find the 914 software on the Europa Factory site
(http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) under Builders support. The file is quite
small and downloads OK. This is the most recent version and works OK. If
you have any questions let me know.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Annalights@aol.com
Alan
Recieved your packaging this morning. What information do you want off it.
Do you want the Japanese offices of which there are 4 or 5?
Let me know what you want and I'll email you the info. If you need to talk to them
let me know what you want to achieve and what information you want and Tina
can call them for you. Her spoken Japanese is good enough to fool them that
she is Japanese!
Pat
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| Subject: | Throttle setting software |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
It should also be noted that you must boot your
computer up with DOS (not the dos prompt that comes
with windows) in order for this to run
correctly...took me lots of trial/error before I
figured this out!
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Awaiting test pilot before i can fly
--- G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI"
> <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> "Does anyone out there have the throttle setting
> software for the 914 they
> can e-mail me? Also any tips or issues on its
> use?"
>
>
> You will find the 914 software on the Europa Factory
> site
> (http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) under Builders
> support. The file is quite
> small and downloads OK. This is the most recent
> version and works OK. If
> you have any questions let me know.
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Peter
I appreciate your note. You are in NZ and I can probably have one made
(If I can find some plans..) for about what it would cost to ship yours.
If I can't do something else, I will get back to you. Thanks
Tom Friedland (Or, if Bush is reelected, I'll just ship my Europa to NZ
and move there myself...)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin
Subject: Europa-List: Re:MonoTrailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
Tom,
I have a Trailer never yet assembled, which your welcome to buy, as
change
of plan, now part owner of a Hanger.
Peter Austin
Classic #198
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 01:35 AM - Re: Wiring query (R.C.Harrison)
> 2. 01:36 AM - Re: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
(Paul
Bunting)
> 3. 01:57 AM - Re: Flying report OSHKOSH (Simon Smith)
> 4. 01:57 AM - Fw: Loss (R.C.Harrison)
> 5. 01:58 AM - Re: Wiring query (Richard Holder)
> 6. 02:00 AM - Re: Wiring query (Simon Smith)
> 7. 02:07 AM - Re: Loss (R.C.Harrison)
> 8. 04:44 AM - Re: Wiring query (M.J. Gregory)
> 9. 06:48 AM - Re: Flying report OSHKOSH
(Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Norbert P. Hoffmann))
> 10. 07:13 AM - Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
temps. (R.C.Harrison)
> 11. 07:15 AM - Re: Exhaust angle (David Buckley)
> 12. 07:15 AM - Re: plexiglas/perspex (David Buckley)
> 13. 07:46 AM - Re: Flying report OSHKOSH (nigel charles)
> 14. 09:10 AM - Undercarriage Lever Stay (DvdPar@aol.com)
> 15. 09:24 AM - Re: Flying report OSHKOSH (Terry Seaver)
> 16. 10:18 AM - Re: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps. (Rob Housman)
> 17. 10:40 AM - Re: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps. (Simon Smith)
> 18. 11:07 AM - Re: Mono trailer ()
> 19. 11:10 AM - Re: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps. (Rob Housman)
> 20. 11:12 AM - Re: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps. (Alan Burrows)
> 21. 11:33 AM - Re: Undercarriage Lever Stay (Chuck Popenoe)
> 22. 11:57 AM - Re: Mono trailer (Fergus Kyle)
> 23. 12:08 PM - Re: Aircraft Manual (Rocketman)
> 24. 12:14 PM - Thoughts on administration. (Simon Smith)
> 25. 01:10 PM - Re: Wiring query (Steven Pitt)
> 26. 01:51 PM - Re: Wiring query (Rob Housman)
> 27. 01:55 PM - Misfire (Richard Holder)
> 28. 02:45 PM - Re: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
(Peter Grant)
> 29. 04:07 PM - Re: FW: Morning (Jim Puglise)
> 30. 04:56 PM - Re: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps. (Paul Boulet)
> 31. 11:18 PM - Thoughts on Becker? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:35:27 AM PST US
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Simon.
> I'm not qualified to make any specific recommendations but find myself
> surprised to see that the replies to date don't raise question about
the
> isolator remaining energised.
> My experience is that :-
> a) left energised for long periods it can overheat.?
> b) It will probably "pull" 1/2 amp continious to remain energised so
you
> will need a damn good battery to last between start ups.?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> Subject: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith"
<jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the
diagram on
> > Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am
using a
> > battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the
30amp
> > slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp
CB's.
> >
> > I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything
seems
to
> > work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt
master
CB
> is
> > pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
> > energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does
it
> > matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> > #504 G-BZTN
> > 80% done 90% left to do!
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:36:26 AM PST US
> From: "Paul Bunting" <paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Bunting"
<paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> The only reasons I know of that people don't like to use PayPal on
ebay
> is the charge for withdrawing the money (roughly works out at 3% of
> total amount). Some ebayers will add this to the end of auction price,
> some don't and some simply don't use it. The other reason is the limit
> on the amount (to prevent fraud etc) if you are a non-business user I
> think it is around US$2000 per month, some major ebayers may exceed
this
> and not want to pay for the business account.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> Renshaw
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am going to purchase one of Alan Burrows fuel transfer devices and
was
>
> wondering if PayPal is the easy way to go. I haven't looked into it
yet,
>
> other than to note one fellow on e-Bay who would not accept PayPal
> payments, reason unknown. So, is this a good way to get a small amount
> of
> money from one side of the world to the other?
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> Tail Torque Tube installed.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic
Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> sticky situation
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:57:50 AM PST US
> From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> >The hottest I saw the H2O temperature on my engine monitor was 100C
and
the
> oil never got
> >that high. I attribute this to the cooling mods I have done to the
intake
> and exit air and the relocation of the oil cooler.
>
> I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above 100C /
212F
> to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Simon
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:57:50 AM PST US
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Fw: Europa-List: Loss
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! All.
> Yes I believe he is, but don't expect any feed back from him.! At
least My
> message didn't get a reply.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
<gowingjr@acr.net.au>
> >
> > Brian S.
> >
> > Jim McAvoy is the Aust Representative for Europa -
jimca@ozemail.com.au
> and
> > is using Jabiru himself.
> >
> > J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 finalising flap mechanism
> > do not archive
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> > >
> > > Tom. Where do we find information on this Jabaru FWF kit?
> > >
> > > Brian S
> > > A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> > > See my build photos at:
> > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:58:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wiring query
> From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
<rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! Simon.
> > I'm not qualified to make any specific recommendations but find
myself
> > surprised to see that the replies to date don't raise question
about
the
> > isolator remaining energised.
> > My experience is that :-
> > a) left energised for long periods it can overheat.?
> > b) It will probably "pull" 1/2 amp continious to remain energised so
you
> > will need a damn good battery to last between start ups.?
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> The whole point of the isolator is to ISOLATE !
>
> So when the master switch is turned off the isolator should switch
off. In
> fact an isolator can take as much as 1 amp and with only 19 amps max
> available I wouldn't and didn't use one.
>
> I have used a "big red switch" in the main battery cable, which
switches
off
> everything (including the starter) except the elevator trim which has
its
> own separate CB and runs direct from the battery.
>
> The big red switch is as used on the inside and outside of rally cars
and
> has a removable "key" - a lump of red plastic. It should be mounted as
close
> to the battery as possible - mine is at the back of the centre
console.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:00:01 AM PST US
> From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> Thanks for the explanation.
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of M.J.
Gregory
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
> --> <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Simon,
>
> A further point to note about Issue 4 of the circuit diagram is that
the
30
> amp slow blow fuses for both the battery and the alternator supply
cable
> protection are positioned on the firewall side as close as
conveniently
> possible to their power sources. This gives maximum protection to the
> cables leading through to the cockpit and bus bars against the
possibility
> of a short circuit to ground causing them to smoke. If instead of
these
> fuses you have installed circuit breakers that are mounted on your
panel,
> then you must take particular care to ensure that you have good
physical
> protection for the cables leading up to them. This applies not just
to
your
> initial installation, but to any subsequent maintenance or
modification
you
> may do that might affect the integrity of these cables during the life
of
> the aircraft.
>
> The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit
breaker
to
> protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In
contrast,
> there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because
that is
> supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> A common misconception is that fuses or circuit breakers protect
devices.
> Not so. The protection is for the wire, or more precisely, the
insulation
> on the wire. A given wire-insulation combination can carry a certain
> maximum current for a specified maximum temperature increase, and
circuit
> protection devices are selected on this basis.
>
> If in your example the wire is both short in length and physically
protected
> from contacting anything that could make a short circuit in the event
the
> insulation is compromised, protection in the form of a fuse or CB is
not
> required.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon
Smith
> Subject: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have virtually completed the wiring in accordance with the diagram
on
> Page 25-11 issue 4 which I believe is the latest version. I am using
a
> battery isolator and, after discussion with Andy, I have swapped the
30amp
> slow blow fuses on the battery feed and regulator feed to 25 amp CB's.
>
> I crossed my fingers and powered it up and fortunately everything
seems to
> work. One thing that I have noticed though is that if the batt master
CB
is
> pulled, power is removed from the aircraft but the isolator remains
> energised (which I think is correct according to the diagram). Does
it
> matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the isolator?
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
> #504 G-BZTN
> 80% done 90% left to do!
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:07:53 AM PST US
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Loss
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Graham.
> You make some valid points but the prop doesn't need to be in the
> inefficient range if there is a CS prop or "wobbly" prop facility.
> The warping heads problem has been addressed on new production but as
ever
> with air cooled it needs some exact continious observation, reliable
> monitoring of all cylinders.
> "Horses for courses" I believe is the phrase. I have quite a
background
of
> experience but nevertheless wouldn't try extend it to any major Rotax
strip
> down needing the services of specialists. But I was quite happy doing
the
> Jabiru. (Back in the box Duncan I know what you are itching to say !)
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> Subject: Europa-List: Loss
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> >
> > At 23:56 10/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Loss
> > >
> > >--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
> > >
> > >Hi Larry
> > >All is not lost if Europa doesn't survive. You can get a Jabiru
fwf
> > >that is very complete. I am hoping it is also an improvement.. It
> > >appears so to me.
> > >Tom
> >
> > Tom
> > not to me, I'm afraid. The Jab is an attractive option price and
> simplicity
> > wise but it will never be as efficient as a liquid cooled engine.
The
prop
> > turns too fast for efficiency too. Worse, the cylinder heads have a
> > reputation for warping unless installation is perfect.
> > Graham
> > (hope I'm wrong but ?)
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 04:44:49 AM PST US
> From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> Yes, physical protection includes everything necessary to prevent the
> insulation being breached. This includes the routing of any slack in
the
> cables to allow you to remove the panel and disconnect the cables --
where
> does the slack cable rest when the panel is refitted? Could it be
pinched,
> or chafe on anything?
>
> Since you raise the subject of firewall penetration, I strongly
commend
Bob
> Nuckolls' AeroElectric Connection and his website
> http://www.aeroelectric.com. Look for the article on firewall
penetration.
> You may not wish to use quite as elaborate a form of protection as
required
> for certified aircraft, but he clearly recommends Firestop/Firesleeve
to
> withstand the full 2000 degrees F of a fuel fire. I suspect silicone
> compound may not match this.
>
> Just to clear up a further point from the comments following Simon's
> original posting, the battery isolator solenoid circuit is indeed
> permanently connected to the positive side of the battery, but it is
not
> 'energised' until the ground connection is made by the master switch.
I'm
> sorry this was not clear from my previous response. On an aircraft
this
is
> usually the only power (as opposed to avionics control, e.g. PTT)
circuit
> where the switch is on the ground side. Because the isolator is
normally
> located immediately adjacent to the battery, no electrical circuit
> protection is needed, although good physical protection such as
neoprene
> covers should be provided on any terminals that are permanently live.
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
> Europa Club Safety Officer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> Mike - when you say 'physical protection' are you talking about anti
> chaffing or 'p' clip support? I have put both of my cbs in the panel
but
> have tried to anchor every 3-4''.
> Where I breach the firewall I have put in a proper bulkhead seal which
I
> will fill with silicone once the panel is finally in.
> Steve Pitt #403
>
> > Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> >
> > The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit
breaker
> to protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In
contrast,
> there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because
that is
> supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
> >
> > Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> >
> > if the batt master CB is pulled, power is removed from the aircraft
but
> the isolator remains energised (which I think is correct according to
the
> diagram). Does it matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the
isolator?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:48:20 AM PST US
> From: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Norbert P. Hoffmann)
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
(Norbert
P. Hoffmann)
>
> Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
>
> > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above 100C
/
212F
> > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
>
> In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
temperature
> >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
>
> Norbert
> D-EUPA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:13:29 AM PST US
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys.
> Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to evaporate at
operating
> temps below boiling the engine crankase breather should loose lots of
water
> vapour.
> However the oil will have been designed to be most effecient in
lubrication
> at the normal operating temps of greater than 100deg C.
> (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed replacement piston rings
at
452
> hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting over 50-70 deg C
> regaards
> Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
(Norbert
> P. Hoffmann)
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
> >
> > > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above
100C /
> 212F
> > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
> temperature
> > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
> >
> > Norbert
> > D-EUPA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:15:01 AM PST US
> From: "David Buckley" <davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Exhaust angle
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley"
<davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
>
> Can you not just fit a tow hook and use in glider mode ? ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Anderson
> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust angle
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson"
<dja767@charter.net>
>
> I would also like the exhaust to go straight back for drag reasons,
but
> the evolution of operating the airplane has led to its current angle -
> quite down oriented. Ease of removing the lower cowl plus mainly
keeping
> exhaust fumes away from the cockpit and the wing are the main reasons
> for the angle. I have thought of welding a section on the aft of the
> exhaust to form a fairing shape, but in reality I would never see the
> results in operation. Sometimes you just have to get the thing into
the
> air. It is way more fun to fly it with the draggy exhaust than it is
to
> stand there looking at it on the ground while pondering all the ways
to
> make it go 0.1 knot faster!
>
> I am having withdrawal symptoms right now while waiting for the new
carb
> flanges to arrive!
>
>
> Dave
> A227 Mini U2
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:15:06 AM PST US
> From: "David Buckley" <davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley"
<davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
>
> I've been flying my Europa for five years with the significantly brown
> tinted UK plexiglass.
>
> Although I do fly at night and IRF a reasonable amount in other
> aircraft, night IMC and IRF in homebuilt aircraft / kitplanes is not
> permitted in the UK. I have however pushed right up to the limits on
a
> few occasions in the Europa. ;)
>
>
> My thought on the matter are as follows:
>
> At night one is actually flying IFR (even if visual) at one could
enter
> cloud at anytime. Therefore everything you have to see to conduct a
safe
> flight is lit, and an ATC and preferably a Radar service should be
used
> whenever possible (IMHO)
>
> Balance that with the risk of fatigue from too much heat/light on a
> sunny day in the Europa greenhouse - it gets very hot without a great
> deal of sun-and probably more time spent flying under these conditions
> than the former- hopefully. Even if light is cut to 25%, I believe
you
> should still be able to see nav lights at a respectable distance, and
in
> fact I would say a good exterior scan is more important.
>
> Personally I would be happy to stick with the tint. I think the
colour
> choice is more critical so as not to blank the Red/ Green nav lights.
>
> Just an opinion.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R.
> Klein
> Subject: Europa-List: plexiglas/perspex
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm missing my windshield and windows, and now that I have some time
> before
> the issue can be dealt with, I'm looking for some advice and counsel
as
> to
> whether to go clear, bronze, or grey tint.
>
> Uncertainty was in fact the reason I procrastinated on my order.
>
> Though the bronze is certainly attractive, I'm concerned with regard
to
> its
> desireability for night flying.
>
> Looking around my local airport ramp, I find only clear windshields
plus
> the
> occasional light blue/green tint in Bonanzas.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:46:37 AM PST US
> From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> >I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above 100C /
212F
> to boil off any water vapour in the oil.<
>
> Whilst that is obviously a way to ensure that all water is evapourated
I
> would be very surprised if all the water doesn't get evapourated with
lower
> temperatures over the length of the average flight. Perhaps if the
aircraft
> had been left for a long time in cool humid conditions it might need
longer
> or hotter temperatures. Water heated to 70-80degC will certainly give
off
> water vapour.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:10:51 AM PST US
> From: DvdPar@aol.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Undercarriage Lever Stay
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> I've lost my Alloy angle stay and will replace with new alloy angle.
The
Mod
> drawings do not specify the dimensions of the stay, is it 3/4/ by 3/4
or
7/8
> by 7/8???? Any body help? Thanks
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:24:23 AM PST US
> From: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> We had a similar concern, i.e. that the oil temp never got higher than
> 180 degF in the winter time. We found that the standard Rotax oil
temp
> sender location is in the coolest part of the system, just after the
oil
> cooler. We put another temp transducer at the inlet to the oil
> reservoir, and found the oil temp there to be 48 degF hotter (in the
> climb) than at the standard location. The temp was 40 degF hotter
there
> in cruise (75%, 5.3 gph). This is all on a mono-wheel XS with Rotax
912S.
>
> regards,
> Terry Seaver
>
>
> Simon Smith wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith"
<jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>The hottest I saw the H2O temperature on my engine monitor was 100C
and
the
> >>
> >>
> >oil never got
> >
> >
> >>that high. I attribute this to the cooling mods I have done to the
intake
> >>
> >>
> >and exit air and the relocation of the oil cooler.
> >
> >I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above 100C /
212F
> >to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Simon
> >advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:18:22 AM PST US
> From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
> temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> An additional assist comes from altitude. The boiling point decreases
with
> altitude so, for example, at 6000 msl pure water boils at about 94 deg
C,
at
> 8000 msl 92 deg C, and at 10000 msl 90 deg C. Of course things are
not
that
> simple either because the "antifreeze" added to the water raises the
boiling
> point at any given altitude, with the amount of boiling point
elevation
> depending on the concentration.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
> Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys.
> Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to evaporate at
operating
> temps below boiling the engine crankase breather should loose lots of
water
> vapour.
> However the oil will have been designed to be most effecient in
lubrication
> at the normal operating temps of greater than 100deg C.
> (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed replacement piston rings
at
452
> hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting over 50-70 deg C
> regaards
> Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
(Norbert
> P. Hoffmann)
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
> >
> > > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above
100C /
> 212F
> > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
> temperature
> > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
> >
> > Norbert
> > D-EUPA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:40:20 AM PST US
> From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
> temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> Why are you adding anti-freeze to your oil? :)
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Housman
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> An additional assist comes from altitude. The boiling point decreases
with
> altitude so, for example, at 6000 msl pure water boils at about 94 deg
C,
at
> 8000 msl 92 deg C, and at 10000 msl 90 deg C. Of course things are
not
that
> simple either because the "antifreeze" added to the water raises the
boiling
> point at any given altitude, with the amount of boiling point
elevation
> depending on the concentration.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
> Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys.
> Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to evaporate at
operating
> temps below boiling the engine crankase breather should loose lots of
water
> vapour. However the oil will have been designed to be most effecient
in
> lubrication at the normal operating temps of greater than 100deg C.
> (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed replacement piston rings
at
452
> hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting over 50-70 deg C regaards
Bob
> Harrison. G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
> > --> (Norbert
> P. Hoffmann)
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
> >
> > > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above
100C
> > > /
> 212F
> > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
> temperature
> > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
> >
> > Norbert
> > D-EUPA
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:07:31 AM PST US
> From: <beecho@beecho.org>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono trailer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Paul, I have not called the flakey guy as he does not appear to be
> someone that I would want to send money to...
> I have asked the forum for plans with no response... There are a
number
> of trailer makers around here as this is rather rural country with
lots
> of ranches, etc. Do you think you could copy the trailer sufficient
> for someone to build them?
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> beecho@beecho.org
> Subject: Europa-List: Mono trailer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
>
> Does anyone have plans for a monowheel trailer they would be willing
to
> share? I will have to have one custom built and there aren't any
close
> by to copy.
>
> Tom Friedland A079 N96V
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:10:30 AM PST US
> From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
> temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> No, no, not deliberately, but ONLY if the coolant manages to get into
the
> oil - I should have made that clear. Atmospheric moisture, as you
clearly
> understand, is quite pure, except here in the LA Basin, that is ;-)
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon
Smith
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> Why are you adding anti-freeze to your oil? :)
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Housman
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> An additional assist comes from altitude. The boiling point decreases
with
> altitude so, for example, at 6000 msl pure water boils at about 94 deg
C,
at
> 8000 msl 92 deg C, and at 10000 msl 90 deg C. Of course things are
not
that
> simple either because the "antifreeze" added to the water raises the
boiling
> point at any given altitude, with the amount of boiling point
elevation
> depending on the concentration.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
> Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys.
> Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to evaporate at
operating
> temps below boiling the engine crankase breather should loose lots of
water
> vapour. However the oil will have been designed to be most effecient
in
> lubrication at the normal operating temps of greater than 100deg C.
> (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed replacement piston rings
at
452
> hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting over 50-70 deg C regaards
Bob
> Harrison. G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
> > --> (Norbert
> P. Hoffmann)
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
> >
> > > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above
100C
> > > /
> 212F
> > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
> temperature
> > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
> >
> > Norbert
> > D-EUPA
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:12:14 AM PST US
> From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
> temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Obviously it's a "cool" plane :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon
Smith
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
> Why are you adding anti-freeze to your oil? :)
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Housman
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> An additional assist comes from altitude. The boiling point decreases
> with altitude so, for example, at 6000 msl pure water boils at about
94
> deg C, at 8000 msl 92 deg C, and at 10000 msl 90 deg C. Of course
> things are not that simple either because the "antifreeze" added to
the
> water raises the boiling point at any given altitude, with the amount
of
> boiling point elevation depending on the concentration.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
> Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> evapouation temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> --> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys.
> Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to evaporate at
operating
> temps below boiling the engine crankase breather should loose lots of
> water vapour. However the oil will have been designed to be most
> effecient in lubrication at the normal operating temps of greater than
> 100deg C.
> (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed replacement piston rings
at
> 452 hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting over 50-70 deg C
> regaards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann" <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
> > --> (Norbert
> P. Hoffmann)
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon Smith:
> >
> > > I thought that is was important that the oil temp did go above
100C
> > > /
> 212F
> > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor measures the oil
> temperature
> > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is higher.
> >
> > Norbert
> > D-EUPA
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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>
>
> Time: 11:33:00 AM PST US
> From: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Undercarriage Lever Stay
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
>
> I made mine out of 3/4 angle, and cut down the athwartship leg to
about
1/2"
>
> Pops A036
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DvdPar@aol.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Undercarriage Lever Stay
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DvdPar@aol.com
>
> I've lost my Alloy angle stay and will replace with new alloy angle.
The
> Mod
> drawings do not specify the dimensions of the stay, is it 3/4/ by 3/4
or
7/8
>
> by 7/8???? Any body help? Thanks
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
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>
>
> Time: 11:57:46 AM PST US
> From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono trailer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Tom,
> I have a monowheel trailer straight from UK, but there are
no
> plans with it; just an assembly diagram with parts numbers. I could
measure
> some distances for you but don't know the metal dimensions too well
and
> local regs might render them insufficient.
> Someone else might do a better reply........
> Cheers, Ferg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <beecho@beecho.org>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono trailer
>
>
number
lots
sufficient
to
close
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
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>
>
> Time: 12:08:24 PM PST US
> From: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Manual
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Joseph J. Like wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joseph J. Like" <n952jl@cox.net>
> >
> >Rob,
> >I would love to have a pdf version of the POH. I'm kit A086. I
> >purchased by stage one from someone who had a change of life and
could
> >not start the project. That was five years ago. Stage two and three
> >were purchased from lakeland.
> >
> >My XS kit did not come with a POH as they were not written at that
> >time. I know I'm building a Mono instead of a Tri but I would love
to
> >have a copy anyway.
> >
> >Joseph J. Like
> >A086
> >joelike@cox.net
> >N952JL@cox.net
> >
> >
> >
>
> Joseph,
>
> My Europa came with a mono POH. I'm building a Tri gear, so have no
> need for it, except for the cover. I'd be happy to send it to you, if
> you'd like. Contact me, off list and provide your shipping info.
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> http://www.n55xs.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
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>
>
> Time: 12:14:04 PM PST US
> From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on administration.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just a thought on the subject of the Administrators banking cheques
that
> were being held by EMIL.
> I know that it is an offence to trade when insolvent and I suppose
that,
by
> not banking cheques for goods that they could not supply, they were
not
> committing an offence.
> Surely, by the same logic, the administrators by banking the cheques
have
> committed the same offence, unless of course they are going to supply
the
> ordered goods!
>
> Any thoughts from any of our legal eagles out there?
>
> Simon
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
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>
>
> Time: 01:10:25 PM PST US
> From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> So what have other Europa owners done about wires thro the firewall.
Bob
> Nuckolls article is very interesting although he is looking at metal
> aircraft (no doubt the same philosophy applies to the phenolic
firewall in
> the Europa). Is the suggestion that 'firestop' putty is used and if so
where
> do you get it from.
> Does the same idea apply where you use a bolt thro the wall - should
this
be
> caulked in with putty? I was guided to put a threaded bar thro the
firewall
> for the positive and negative feeds (my battery is in the back) but no
> mention was made of fire precautions.
> As ever one question shows how large the knowledge gap is!!!!
> Steve Pitt #403
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Yes, physical protection includes everything necessary to prevent
the
> > insulation being breached. This includes the routing of any slack
in
the
> > cables to allow you to remove the panel and disconnect the cables --
where
> > does the slack cable rest when the panel is refitted? Could it be
> pinched,
> > or chafe on anything?
> >
> > Since you raise the subject of firewall penetration, I strongly
commend
> Bob
> > Nuckolls' AeroElectric Connection and his website
> > http://www.aeroelectric.com. Look for the article on firewall
> penetration.
> > You may not wish to use quite as elaborate a form of protection as
> required
> > for certified aircraft, but he clearly recommends
Firestop/Firesleeve to
> > withstand the full 2000 degrees F of a fuel fire. I suspect
silicone
> > compound may not match this.
> >
> > Just to clear up a further point from the comments following Simon's
> > original posting, the battery isolator solenoid circuit is indeed
> > permanently connected to the positive side of the battery, but it is
not
> > 'energised' until the ground connection is made by the master
switch.
I'm
> > sorry this was not clear from my previous response. On an aircraft
this
> is
> > usually the only power (as opposed to avionics control, e.g. PTT)
circuit
> > where the switch is on the ground side. Because the isolator is
normally
> > located immediately adjacent to the battery, no electrical circuit
> > protection is needed, although good physical protection such as
neoprene
> > covers should be provided on any terminals that are permanently
live.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mike
> > Europa Club Safety Officer
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Mike - when you say 'physical protection' are you talking about anti
> > chaffing or 'p' clip support? I have put both of my cbs in the panel
but
> > have tried to anchor every 3-4''.
> > Where I breach the firewall I have put in a proper bulkhead seal
which I
> > will fill with silicone once the panel is finally in.
> > Steve Pitt #403
> >
> > > Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> > >
> > > The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit
breaker
> > to protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In
> contrast,
> > there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because
that
is
> > supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
> > >
> > > Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> > >
> > > if the batt master CB is pulled, power is removed from the
aircraft
but
> > the isolator remains energised (which I think is correct according
to
the
> > diagram). Does it matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the
> isolator?
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:51:52 PM PST US
> From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> First for the easy part. Bolts through the firewall, especially when
a
> washer is used on both sides of the firewall so there is a tight seal,
will
> not allow any flame to penetrate. I consider this good practice.
>
> My preference was to use 'Lectric Bob's stainless steel tube scheme to
carry
> the electrical wires through the firewall, with putty to provide a
seal.
In
> order to do this with the Rotax 914 (with large connectors, not easily
> removed, on some of the cables) I had to cut the tubing lengthwise to
> provide clearance, and them put it back together with stainless steel
hose
> clamps. Not elegant but effective. My variation on this theme uses
off
the
> shelf grab bars (those used in handicapped-accessible restrooms
throughout
> the US) which are conveniently provided with welded flanges that
facilitate
> mounting to the firewall for the stainless steel tubing. See catalog
number
> 2823K32 at http://www.mcmaster.com. Note that this item has a flanged
elbow
> at each end and that in order to allow for the kerf in the
longitudinal
cut,
> and reassembly to a round tube, both elbows are used with the kerf
loss
just
> slightly offset from the centerline.
>
> Choke and throttle cables can be sealed with any of the "Cable Safe"
> fittings from Aircraft Spruce and others. These fittings also keep
the
> cable sheaths from moving fore and aft.
>
> Of course all this concern for maintaining the integrity of the
firewall
> seems a bit inconsistent with the monstrous holes required to allow
the
> rudder cables to pass through that abominable stainless steel firewall
> assembly at the forward end of the tunnel. OK, so I exaggerate a bit
(not
> the abominable part), but I'd wager that any flames forward of the
firewall
> will manage to toast your toes through those gaps. I have not been
able
to
> come up with anything better, unfortunately. I hope someone has and
tells
> us about it.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven
Pitt
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> So what have other Europa owners done about wires thro the firewall.
Bob
> Nuckolls article is very interesting although he is looking at metal
> aircraft (no doubt the same philosophy applies to the phenolic
firewall in
> the Europa). Is the suggestion that 'firestop' putty is used and if so
where
> do you get it from.
> Does the same idea apply where you use a bolt thro the wall - should
this
be
> caulked in with putty? I was guided to put a threaded bar thro the
firewall
> for the positive and negative feeds (my battery is in the back) but no
> mention was made of fire precautions.
> As ever one question shows how large the knowledge gap is!!!!
> Steve Pitt #403
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wiring query
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Yes, physical protection includes everything necessary to prevent
the
> > insulation being breached. This includes the routing of any slack
in
the
> > cables to allow you to remove the panel and disconnect the cables --
where
> > does the slack cable rest when the panel is refitted? Could it be
> pinched,
> > or chafe on anything?
> >
> > Since you raise the subject of firewall penetration, I strongly
commend
> Bob
> > Nuckolls' AeroElectric Connection and his website
> > http://www.aeroelectric.com. Look for the article on firewall
> penetration.
> > You may not wish to use quite as elaborate a form of protection as
> required
> > for certified aircraft, but he clearly recommends
Firestop/Firesleeve to
> > withstand the full 2000 degrees F of a fuel fire. I suspect
silicone
> > compound may not match this.
> >
> > Just to clear up a further point from the comments following Simon's
> > original posting, the battery isolator solenoid circuit is indeed
> > permanently connected to the positive side of the battery, but it is
not
> > 'energised' until the ground connection is made by the master
switch.
I'm
> > sorry this was not clear from my previous response. On an aircraft
this
> is
> > usually the only power (as opposed to avionics control, e.g. PTT)
circuit
> > where the switch is on the ground side. Because the isolator is
normally
> > located immediately adjacent to the battery, no electrical circuit
> > protection is needed, although good physical protection such as
neoprene
> > covers should be provided on any terminals that are permanently
live.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mike
> > Europa Club Safety Officer
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Mike - when you say 'physical protection' are you talking about anti
> > chaffing or 'p' clip support? I have put both of my cbs in the panel
but
> > have tried to anchor every 3-4''.
> > Where I breach the firewall I have put in a proper bulkhead seal
which I
> > will fill with silicone once the panel is finally in.
> > Steve Pitt #403
> >
> > > Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory"
<m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> > >
> > > The wiring to engage the isolator is not given a fuse or circuit
breaker
> > to protect it because it is on the ground side of the device. In
> contrast,
> > there is protection for the starter relay solenoid circuit because
that
is
> > supplying a positive to cause it to engage.
> > >
> > > Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> > >
> > > if the batt master CB is pulled, power is removed from the
aircraft
but
> > the isolator remains energised (which I think is correct according
to
the
> > diagram). Does it matter that there is no fuse/cb protecting the
> isolator?
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:55:35 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Misfire
> From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
<rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Well team, after 12 or more hours misfire-free I feel confident enough
to
> announce that I have (finally) found my misfire. It was not the
throttle
> linkages or the throttle box.
>
> When my co-builder (now deceased) Nigel put the fuel pipes in for the
carbs
> he used the #2 fuel pipe from Europa, rubber with a stainless steel
> braiding. He connected pipe to the carb banjos and ran the pipe under
the
> carb to the standard t-pieces mounted on the engine mounting cross
member.
>
> He insulated the pipe with "air conditioning" type insulation (a
better
> quality than "central heating" insulation.
>
> The pipe (with insulation) ran approximately 1 1/2 inches from the
exhaust
> manifold.
>
> During our very hot summer last year (100 degrees !) the insulation
"melted"
> on this most critical piece of the fuel pipe - nearest to the exhaust
> manifold [on the starboard side where the air has more restrictions to
its
> flow because of the oil dry sump tank]
>
> This heated the stainless steel which promptly conducted the heat up
> UNDERNEATH the insulation, so negating the insulation !
>
> In the climb the fuel was flowing quickly enough to avoid any
vapourization
> problems, but when I buttoned off in the cruise at the top of the
climb -
> lower fuel flow - vapourization - misfire; which would normally go
away
(as
> things cooled down).
>
> So each change last autumn/winter which seemed to improve/fix it was
just
> the cooler weather. It was fine in Feb and Mar and came back in April
when
> the temps went up.
>
> The pipe has now been changed to the #3 pipe (which is rubber with an
> insert, no braiding) (#1 pipe had blue cotton braiding) and the pipe
goes
> OVER the carb. I have no insulation on it and I have had no trouble
> whatsoever in temps up to 27 Celsius since.
>
> I feel pretty stupid about all my previous "fixes" but I am positive
now
> that I have really done it. There was an obvious bit of melted
insulation
> near the exhaust manifold which was hidden and only some lateral
thinking
> and a grope under there brought it to light.
>
> I am planning replacement of all the s/s braided pipe and some blue
braided
> pipe with the #3 pipe. Unfortunately I don't have enough and my recent
(last
> 6 weeks) orders to EMIL have not produced any pipe, for the obvious
reasons
> :-( I only asked for them to contact me for my cc number and didn't
send
> them a cheque. So my priority will be to replace the blue braided
stuff in
> the tunnel as it is very petrol-smelly whenever I open up after a
night in
> the hanger. There is no smell in use, ground or in the air.
>
> Of course this might all be another optimistic failure, but as I say I
have
> done 12 hours at least with it in the current state.
>
> One day I will get to a fly-in, I have much more confidence in it now
!
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
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>
>
> Time: 02:45:51 PM PST US
> From: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant"
<peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
>
> If it's any help, I use it all the time and it works very well. If
you
buy
> and sell on eBay you'll often find that you don't need to withdraw
money,
> just use it to pay for other things!
>
> Regards
> Peter Grant
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 10 The Sidings, Horncastle LN9 5UA
> Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> G-OGAN Europa TriGear Build No: 100
> Rebuilt after serious prang with long XS wings and Airmaster VP prop.
Rotax
> 912S. 150 hours.
> This email is intended for the sole use of
> the addressee. If you have received this email in error, please
contact
the
> sender and delete the message. Sorry, no liability for misuse of this
email
> however caused. Outgoing emails are automatically checked by Norton
> Anti-Virus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Bunting
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Bunting"
> <paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> The only reasons I know of that people don't like to use PayPal on
ebay
> is the charge for withdrawing the money (roughly works out at 3% of
> total amount). Some ebayers will add this to the end of auction price,
> some don't and some simply don't use it. The other reason is the limit
> on the amount (to prevent fraud etc) if you are a non-business user I
> think it is around US$2000 per month, some major ebayers may exceed
this
> and not want to pay for the business account.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> Renshaw
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa "PayPal" to purchase small components
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> --> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am going to purchase one of Alan Burrows fuel transfer devices and
was
>
> wondering if PayPal is the easy way to go. I haven't looked into it
yet,
>
> other than to note one fellow on e-Bay who would not accept PayPal
> payments, reason unknown. So, is this a good way to get a small amount
> of
> money from one side of the world to the other?
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> Tail Torque Tube installed.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic
Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> sticky situation
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
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>
>
> Time: 04:07:55 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Morning
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise"
<jimpuglise@comcast.net>
>
> Alan-
>
> Hope you don't see a parallel to Europa!
>
> Jim-A283
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
> Subject: Europa-List: FW: Morning
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>
> Hope you all had a good weekend even the one's that didn't make it to
> the I.O.M.!!
>
> Any comments ?
>
> THE TEN-SECOND FUNNY: MORE DEAD HORSES
>
> Well, someone's come up with a variant on that supposed old 'Dakota
> tribal wisdom' email about what to do when you find you are riding a
> dead horse. Here it is:
>
> "The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed down from generation
to
> generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead
> horse, the best strategy is to dismount. In many organizations,
however,
> a whole range of far more advanced strategies are often employed, such
> as:
>
> 1. Change riders
> 2. Buy a stronger whip
> 3. Do nothing: "This is the way we have always ridden dead horses" 4.
> Visit other companies or countries to see how they ride dead horses 5.
> Perform a productivity study to see if lighter riders improve the dead
> horse's performance 6. Outsource: Hire a contractor to ride the dead
> horse
>
> 7. Harness several dead horses together in an attempt to increase the
> speed 8. Provide additional funding and/or training to increase the
dead
> horse's performance 9. Appoint a committee to study the horse and
assess
> how dead it actually is 10. Re-classify the dead horse as
> "living-impaired" 11. Develop a Strategic Plan for the management of
> dead horses
>
> 12. Rewrite the expected performance requirements for all horses 13.
> Modify existing standards to include dead horses 14. Declare that, as
> the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries
lower
> overheads, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom
> line than many other horses 15. Promote the dead horse to a
supervisory
> position."
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
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>
>
> Time: 04:56:37 PM PST US
> From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
evapouation
> temps.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet
<possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> you guys kill me
> paul boulet n914pb
> do not archive
> --- Alan Burrows <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> >
> > Obviously it's a "cool" plane :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Simon Smith
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report
> > OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> > evapouation temps.
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith"
> > <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> >
> > Why are you adding anti-freeze to your oil? :)
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rob Housman
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Was Flying report
> > OSHKOSH..Now is oil/water
> > evapouation temps.
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
> > <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> >
> > An additional assist comes from altitude. The
> > boiling point decreases
> > with altitude so, for example, at 6000 msl pure
> > water boils at about 94
> > deg C, at 8000 msl 92 deg C, and at 10000 msl 90 deg
> > C. Of course
> > things are not that simple either because the
> > "antifreeze" added to the
> > water raises the boiling point at any given
> > altitude, with the amount of
> > boiling point elevation depending on the
> > concentration.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Rob Housman
> > Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> > Airframe complete
> > Irvine, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> > Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Was Flying report OSHKOSH..Now
> > is oil/water
> > evapouation temps.
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> > --> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! Guys.
> > Sorry to "butt in" but itdoesn't have to boil to
> > evaporate at operating
> > temps below boiling the engine crankase breather
> > should loose lots of
> > water vapour. However the oil will have been
> > designed to be most
> > effecient in lubrication at the normal operating
> > temps of greater than
> > 100deg C.
> > (IMHO) Probably this is why my engine needed
> > replacement piston rings at
> > 452 hours with the oil temps hardly ever getting
> > over 50-70 deg C
> > regaards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norbert P. Hoffmann"
> > <Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying report OSHKOSH
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by:
> > Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de
> > > --> (Norbert
> > P. Hoffmann)
> > >
> > > Am Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 10:57 schrieb Simon
> > Smith:
> > >
> > > > I thought that is was important that the oil
> > temp did go above 100C
> > > > /
> > 212F
> > > > to boil off any water vapour in the oil.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > >
> > > In a standard installation, the oil temp. sensor
> > measures the oil
> > temperature
> > > >after< the cooler. The actual temperature is
> > higher.
> > >
> > > Norbert
> > > D-EUPA
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> Time: 11:18:25 PM PST US
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Becker?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Any Thoughts on Becker AR4201 Transceiver and ATC 4401 (175W)
Transponder?
>
> thx.
>
> ron parigoris
> A-265
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Was looking at lockwood Catalogue today and noticed that they sell for 912/914
a thermostat to keep oil at 180 degrees. Anyone ever fool with one of these?
Ron Parigoris
A-265
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I think I saw one on a factory demonstrator in Lakeland. John Hurst was
showing it to me. Looked like a lot of pluming to install, but John had done
a nice job of installing it.
I have not considered using it. It would be helpful if you were flying in
really cold weather, I would think.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Oil Thermostat?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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> Was looking at lockwood Catalogue today and noticed that they sell for
912/914
> a thermostat to keep oil at 180 degrees. Anyone ever fool with one of
these?
>
> Ron Parigoris
> A-265
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Has anyone had any experience with the AirMap 1000 GPS from Lowrance?
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Purchasing N15JN
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Ron,
I put one on my 912S and I think its works ok. I have a small
cooler and it still does a great job of cooling the oil. I have to put a
cover over part of the cooler during the cooler months to get it up there
and keep it there. Try your system with out it and then see if its
necessary.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:47:33 -0400 "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> writes:
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> Was looking at lockwood Catalogue today and noticed that they sell
> for 912/914
> a thermostat to keep oil at 180 degrees. Anyone ever fool with one
> of these?
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> A-265
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
No, Steve, but it looks pretty neat. If you are going to use a Digi
Track auto pilot, I would use a Garmin. The Digi Track unit doesn't
work with the Lorance units. I talked to them about it, You might ask
them if thats the way you intend to go. I wasn't going to use it to
track my GPS path but to use it to hold a heading while you used the map
and GPS to verify track.
Jim
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