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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Jeremy Davey)
2. 12:49 AM - Re: How Much Paint? (Annalights@aol.com)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Paul McAllister)
4. 06:47 AM - Paint opinioin (Dave Anderson)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Fitting Doors (Al Stills)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Jeremy Davey)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Mod 65 Finger Brakes Master Cylinder Supplier (David Buckley)
8. 07:48 AM - Finger brakes (Peter Field)
9. 08:26 AM - Re: Finger brakes (G-IANI)
10. 09:09 AM - Re: Finger brakes (Richard Holder)
11. 09:20 AM - Re: Finger brakes (Alan Burrows)
12. 09:28 AM - Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges (Leo J. Corbalis)
13. 09:36 AM - Open Letter to John Hurst (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 09:38 AM - Re: Finger brakes (KARL HEINDL)
15. 09:38 AM - Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
16. 10:52 AM - Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges (KARL HEINDL)
17. 11:15 AM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Paul McAllister)
18. 12:02 PM - Re: BID supplier (Paul Stewart)
19. 01:10 PM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Jeremy Davey)
20. 01:17 PM - Re: Finger brakes (Steve Pitt)
21. 01:57 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/17/04 (Graham Singleton)
22. 02:01 PM - Re: BID supplier (Dennis Lowe)
23. 02:04 PM - Re: Finger brakes (J. R. Jones)
24. 02:04 PM - Re: Finger brakes (Ian Swankie)
25. 03:33 PM - Re: BID supplier (Paul Stewart)
26. 04:10 PM - Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges (Cliff Shaw)
27. 05:55 PM - Re: Ripples in the wing surface (Rocketman)
28. 07:45 PM - Ripples in the wing surface (Paul McAllister)
29. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/17/04 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
A few thoughts...
If this was a g-loading issue, would it be ripples or cracks? Also, that
would need to be negative G (unrelated question, if youre inverted, does
that count as positive G??).
Has your wing been subject to any heating that might distort that surface,
as opposed to G-loadings - e.g. on a trailer, or stored in the 'dive'
position near a heat source?
Or could it simply be ripples in the paint that you haven't noticed before?
Can you pull the aileron pushrod and pop a boroscope in to check the inside
surface?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I have noticed some ripples in my XS wings on the underneath of one wing.
It is near the flap between the outrigger and the middle flap hinge. There
are 7 of them in parallel, quite wavy and about 6~8 inches long. They are
not quite parallel to the spar and appear to have not relationship with rib
positions. I am quite certain that the aircraft has not been subjected to
any excessive G forces.
Has anyone seen anything like this. ?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Paint? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Annalights@aol.com
Jeff,
For colour I used less than 1 gallon of Aerodur C21 colour plus hardener and thinners.
5 litre can as we have over here (just over 1 gal) and still have some
left over.
Hope this helps
Pat
GPATZ
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| Subject: | Re: Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi,
Well actually the problem is solved. These ripples occurred from the wings
sitting on the trailer. There were a couple even larger "dings" in the wing
top surface. I brought the wings home from the painters last night and put
them on the aircraft and in the hour I was there the surfaces had relaxed
almost back to where they should be. I am hoping that a few hours in the
sun will have them looking good as new.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> A few thoughts...
>
> If this was a g-loading issue, would it be ripples or cracks? Also, that
> would need to be negative G (unrelated question, if youre inverted, does
> that count as positive G??).
>
> Has your wing been subject to any heating that might distort that surface,
> as opposed to G-loadings - e.g. on a trailer, or stored in the 'dive'
> position near a heat source?
>
> Or could it simply be ripples in the paint that you haven't noticed
before?
>
> Can you pull the aileron pushrod and pop a boroscope in to check the
inside
> surface?
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have noticed some ripples in my XS wings on the underneath of one wing.
> It is near the flap between the outrigger and the middle flap hinge.
There
> are 7 of them in parallel, quite wavy and about 6~8 inches long. They are
> not quite parallel to the spar and appear to have not relationship with
rib
> positions. I am quite certain that the aircraft has not been subjected to
> any excessive G forces.
>
> Has anyone seen anything like this. ?
>
> Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Speaking as a person who painted his airplane (typing as a person who painted,
really!) I would advise not to get cheap when making the decision of what paint
to use. You have a big investment in the airplane and it needs to be protected.
Since I also had to repaint my entire airplane due to using a paint that was
defective - but still expensive - I think I can add more information here.
If you think painting it is a hard and long job, let me tell you that REPAINTING
it is HUGE and ENDLESS job. You do not want to go cheap, then turn around
and have to do it again. I used what the local glider painting expert uses - PPG
concept. The difference between that acrylic urethane and the cheaper ones
will be seen in the long run - durability. I hope to be 20 years down the road
and still not coming anywhere close to repainting the airplane.
The local painter, who is well known in the glider community for composite work
and paint uses the following for composite airplanes:
PPG K36 acrylic primer - wet sanded to a very smooth finish
PPG DP40 epoxy primer sealer - gray green for darker color UV protection (not intended
to sand, but able to fix runs, etc.
PPG Concept base white acrylic urethane top coat (2 coats) - white to be as cool
as possible for the composite structure.
I am very pleased with the results so far. I will write again in 20 years to give
everyone an update!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
227 hours TT
Still looking for a cabin heater solution...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Jim
Thanks for the info. I adjusted the hinges upward
approximately 2 MM to get door to set down correct. Also
have to shave about 2mm from the top of the door to
"refit" it to fit.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Interesting - was that the paint still being soft, or the substrate
distorting? What were the local temps?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi,
Well actually the problem is solved. These ripples occurred from the wings
sitting on the trailer. There were a couple even larger "dings" in the wing
top surface. I brought the wings home from the painters last night and put
them on the aircraft and in the hour I was there the surfaces had relaxed
almost back to where they should be. I am hoping that a few hours in the
sun will have them looking good as new.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> A few thoughts...
>
> If this was a g-loading issue, would it be ripples or cracks? Also, that
> would need to be negative G (unrelated question, if youre inverted, does
> that count as positive G??).
>
> Has your wing been subject to any heating that might distort that surface,
> as opposed to G-loadings - e.g. on a trailer, or stored in the 'dive'
> position near a heat source?
>
> Or could it simply be ripples in the paint that you haven't noticed
before?
>
> Can you pull the aileron pushrod and pop a boroscope in to check the
inside
> surface?
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have noticed some ripples in my XS wings on the underneath of one wing.
> It is near the flap between the outrigger and the middle flap hinge.
There
> are 7 of them in parallel, quite wavy and about 6~8 inches long. They are
> not quite parallel to the spar and appear to have not relationship with
rib
> positions. I am quite certain that the aircraft has not been subjected to
> any excessive G forces.
>
> Has anyone seen anything like this. ?
>
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Mod 65 Finger Brakes Master Cylinder Supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley" <davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
The original monowheel master cylinders were available from Kart
Komponents, in High Wycombe, UK (if there still there_. We made our
Trike's fingerbrakes from a modified pair. I'm away till next week, but
send me an e-mail if you would like me to check - they wer eonly a
couple of miles away.
Cheers
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 65 Finger Brakes Master Cylinder Supplier
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Well if you only want someone in the UK as a finger brake supplier, the
answer is no. But, since the rest of the world is out here, the
manufacturer is Jamar Performance in the US, the part no is a US2002X
and
the contact is Frank on
jamar1@gte.net
Web address is:
http://jamarperformance.com/Default.htm
Hope this helps.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Hope this helps.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 03:26 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
>Can anyone, in the UK, help with a source for the Jamar brake master
>cylinder used in the finger brake kit.
>
>I seem to remember that someone reported they had come across the
supplier
>Europa used by accident.
>
>This will make one builder happy for a while.
>
>Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
>Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
>e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.coma supplier of the
>
>
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Yes I have and so have a number of others. I have notes on what others have
reported but no clear solution. Ivor Phillips (XS486) has converted his to
use automatic transmission fluid. Karl Heidl has changed the rubbers for
new but I believe with only limited success.
I will be happy to be involved in any experimental work to try and solve the
problem for good. I am sure Andy Draper will also advise if we have
questions.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Field
Subject: Europa-List: Finger brakes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
>
> Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
> being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
> position after operation?
>
> If so, what is the cure?
>
> Peter Field
> Kit 566
I bought one from Europa Florida. I took it apart - there was lots of swarf
inside. It had also been mismachined, the end inch of the bores where the
seals normally go when at "rest" were badly machined with the smooth part of
the bore not reaching the open end.
After some discussion (somewhat one way) with Jamar in the US, I got John
Hurst to admit that there had been a faulty batch from Jamar and he sent me
a replacement, which does not have the faulty machining.
So undo the end plates (mind the piston and seals as they should come out)
and look at the quality of the machining.
When trying it, be sure that there is plenty of lubrication of the fluid
that you are using (I have a litre of DOT 5 for sale !).
Also remember that in use there will be considerable back-pressure from the
callipers which will also help to push the master cylinder pistons back.
Jamar have assured me that the seals in the twin master cylinder are
suitable for use with ATF/Aviation Brake Fluid and as this is also the
correct type for the callipers on the tri-gear it should be possible to use
ATF/Av Brake Fluid rather than DOT 5 (which is why mine is for sale !)
Having said all that I haven't yet installed mine - waiting for down time
during the winter. Too nice to take it off-line at the moment ! I am getting
used to my twin finger brakes built from the standard (originally floor
mounted) master cylinders, with long extension levers.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
I have the same problem with my tri gear but just accept it as there is
no apparent lack of braking ability. Also I don't feel the brakes are
binding so how big a problem is it?
Alan
XS Trigear G-CBWF
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger brakes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Yes I have and so have a number of others. I have notes on what others
have reported but no clear solution. Ivor Phillips (XS486) has
converted his to use automatic transmission fluid. Karl Heidl has
changed the rubbers for new but I believe with only limited success.
I will be happy to be involved in any experimental work to try and solve
the problem for good. I am sure Andy Draper will also advise if we have
questions.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Field
Subject: Europa-List: Finger brakes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field"
--> <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes
not being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual
resting position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
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| Subject: | Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I have a Zodiac. I added an "ice cube" relay in paralell with the starter
relay. This relay's NC contacts rated at 30 or 40 amps cuts off all the
electronics when starting and then switches them back ON after the start
circuit is denergized.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
>
> Carl,
>
>
> I have no idea what your problem might be. My EIS is wired to the main bus
and that seems to work fine. In fact, it is important to me to be able to
check the oil pressure when I crank the engine, especially after an oil
change.
>
>
> New users should also note that there is no extra charge for 3 extra
wires, which allow you to have parallel switches for the push buttons. I use
the left/right buttons on the MAC grip to scroll through the menus.
>
>
> Karl
>
>
> From: "Carl Pattinson" carl_p@ntlworld.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:56:46 +0100
>
> -- Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" carl_p@ntlworld.com
>
> If you fit an EIS just make sure you have a means to isolate it from the
> main bus during startup. We have found that if the EIS is not switched off
> on startup (starter cranking) the spikes often scramble the memory and
> alarms which take about 20 mins to reset again. The worst thing is the
reset
> ususlly causes the screen contrast to go to zero and then everything
becomes
> impossible to ajust until the screen contrast can be increased (ie: the
> display appears to go blank).
>
> I would suggest that a momentary disconnect button is fitted close to the
> starter switch so that temporary isolation can be effected, though a more
> sophisticated setup could include an isolator solenoid connected to the
> starter solenoid.
>
> An manually operated isolator switch (which is what we have) is not a very
> satisfactory solution as its very easy to leave it on during startup and
> also easy to forget to turn it back on after startup.
>
> Our EIS is currently playing up in that the oil pressure and temp readings
> are jumping about by a couple of degrees/ PSI. We suspect this is possibly
a
> prelude to the oil pressure sensor failing which I believe is a common
> problem with Rotax 912 engines (unless someone else has a better
> explanation).
>
> It would be nice to have the luxury of both analogue and digital readings
> but not very practical.
>
> Otherwise the EIS is very good and we would recommend it.Ours is the Grand
> Rapids version.
>
> Carl Dot
> G-LABS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Paddy Wigney" johnwigney@worldnet.att.net
> To: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Subject: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
>
>
> -- Europa-List message posted by: John Paddy Wigney
> johnwigney@worldnet.att.net
>
> Time: 11:37:36 AM PST US
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Subject: Europa-List: EIS
> Anyone ot there flying with just an EIS with no Engine Steam Gauges and
> find it
> acceptable?thx. Ron Parigoris
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I have an EIS plus an analogue tacho and analogue manifold pressure. I
> have found that the EIS is one of the best instruments in my panel - it is
> rock-solid reliable. I would have no hesitation in removing the analogue
> tacho since I find that I do not look at it because the EIS is so accurate
> and refreshes very rapidly. (I would like to replace the tacho with a
> Digitrak which I lust for.) I have all the engine variables set with
alarms.
>
> If you have a constant speed prop, I recommend you have an analogue
> manifold pressure gauge - it permits rapid and accurate power changes. If
> you use the EIS to follow MP, you may have to change to a different page
> which is a bit clunky.
>
> One final comment :- The fuel flow/totaliser option on the EIS is a good
> investment. It is very accurate and provides great peace of mind on a long
> trip by giving the calculated endurance. I just keep a healthy margin
> between that number and my GPS ETE (estmated time enroute), there is no
> mental arithmetic. Finally, I set my low fuel alarm at 4 gallons.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S, Whirlwind C/S prop
>
>
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| Subject: | Open Letter to John Hurst |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
John,
With all the problems that have come into your life with the floundering of
the Europa Company, I do hope that you and yours have come through Hurricane
Charlie with little or no damage. From all the news accounts, your area was one
of the hardest hit by the storm. I have been through hurricanes in the past
but have only been in big cities that could handle the brunt of these monsters.
I cannot imagine what kind of damage was done to your area. Being on the West
Coast of the U.S. I can't imagine that I could be of any help, but if any
thoughts come to mind, please feel free to contact me. And I'm sure all the
thoughts of the Europa community are with you.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Peter,
My brake master cylinder has had the same problem as what you are describing. I
replaced the separate seals with ones from the local car shop. This appeared
to solve the problem, but the piston was still sticking now and again. A couple
of days ago I took it all apart again to check the seals: they were still exactly
the orignal size (I kept a new one separately for comparison). My conclusion
is that the spring is too weak and/or the Dot5 is not a good lubricant.
I solved the problem for the time being by adding a smaller diameter spring inside
the existing ones; they are also a bit shorter. The handles now snap back
very nicely in dry mode, just as I expected them to on day 1. I still have to
fill/bleed the system to check it out properly. I would prefer to use one strong
replacement spring.
Karl
From: Richard Holder rholder@avnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger brakes
-- Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder rholder@avnet.co.uk
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" peter.field@hgfield.co.uk
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
I bought one from Europa Florida. I took it apart - there was lots of swarf
inside. It had also been mismachined, the end inch of the bores where the
seals normally go when at "rest" were badly machined with the smooth part of
the bore not reaching the open end.
After some discussion (somewhat one way) with Jamar in the US, I got John
Hurst to admit that there had been a faulty batch from Jamar and he sent me
a replacement, which does not have the faulty machining.
So undo the end plates (mind the piston and seals as they should come out)
and look at the quality of the machining.
When trying it, be sure that there is plenty of lubrication of the fluid
that you are using (I have a litre of DOT 5 for sale !).
Also remember that in use there will be considerable back-pressure from the
callipers which will also help to push the master cylinder pistons back.
Jamar have assured me that the seals in the twin master cylinder are
suitable for use with ATF/Aviation Brake Fluid and as this is also the
correct type for the callipers on the tri-gear it should be possible to use
ATF/Av Brake Fluid rather than DOT 5 (which is why mine is for sale !)
Having said all that I haven't yet installed mine - waiting for down time
during the winter. Too nice to take it off-line at the moment ! I am getting
used to my twin finger brakes built from the standard (originally floor
mounted) master cylinders, with long extension levers.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts,07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
If a resistor and capacitor was added to the coil circuit you could build in
a small time delay to insure no spikes get through.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | EIS versus Steam Gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Yes, that is correct, but I am only using the two for backward-forward.
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" kevann@gte.net
Subject: RE: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" kevann@gte.net
Karl, is that "three extra wires" the way you ordered the unit from Grand
Rapids?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
-- Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" kheindl@msn.com
Carl,
I have no idea what your problem might be. My EIS is wired to the main bus
and that seems to work fine. In fact, it is important to me to be able to
check the oil pressure when I crank the engine, especially after an oil
change.
New users should also note that there is no extra charge for 3 extra wires,
which allow you to have parallel switches for the push buttons. I use the
left/right buttons on the MAC grip to scroll through the menus.
Karl
From: "Carl Pattinson" carl_p@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" carl_p@ntlworld.com
If you fit an EIS just make sure you have a means to isolate it from the
main bus during startup. We have found that if the EIS is not switched off
on startup (starter cranking) the spikes often scramble the memory and
alarms which take about 20 mins to reset again. The worst thing is the reset
ususlly causes the screen contrast to go to zero and then everything becomes
impossible to ajust until the screen contrast can be increased (ie: the
display appears to go blank).
I would suggest that a momentary disconnect button is fitted close to the
starter switch so that temporary isolation can be effected, though a more
sophisticated setup could include an isolator solenoid connected to the
starter solenoid.
An manually operated isolator switch (which is what we have) is not a very
satisfactory solution as its very easy to leave it on during startup and
also easy to forget to turn it back on after startup.
Our EIS is currently playing up in that the oil pressure and temp readings
are jumping about by a couple of degrees/ PSI. We suspect this is possibly a
prelude to the oil pressure sensor failing which I believe is a common
problem with Rotax 912 engines (unless someone else has a better
explanation).
It would be nice to have the luxury of both analogue and digital readings
but not very practical.
Otherwise the EIS is very good and we would recommend it.Ours is the Grand
Rapids version.
CarlDot
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "JohnPaddy Wigney" johnwigney@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
-- Europa-List message posted by: JohnPaddy Wigney
johnwigney@worldnet.att.net
Time: 11:37:36 AM PST US
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Subject: Europa-List: EIS
Anyone ot there flying with just an EIS with no Engine Steam Gauges and
find it
acceptable?thx. Ron Parigoris
Hi Ron,
I have an EIS plus an analogue tacho and analogue manifold pressure. I
have found that the EIS is one of the best instruments in my panel - it is
rock-solid reliable. I would have no hesitation in removing the analogue
tacho since I find that I do not look at it because the EIS is so accurate
and refreshes very rapidly. (I would like to replace the tacho with a
Digitrak which I lust for.) I have all the engine variables set with alarms.
If you have a constant speed prop, I recommend you have an analogue
manifold pressure gauge - it permits rapid and accurate power changes. If
you use the EIS to follow MP, you may have to change to a different page
which is a bit clunky.
One final comment :- The fuel flow/totaliser option on the EIS is a good
investment. It is very accurate and provides great peace of mind on a long
trip by giving the calculated endurance. I just keep a healthy margin
between that number and my GPS ETE (estmated time enroute), there is no
mental arithmetic. Finally, I set my low fuel alarm at 4 gallons.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, Whirlwind C/S prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jeremy,
No, the area that distorted was not the area painted. It was on the trailer
for 10 days in mild summer temperatures. The only thing I did different
was to put a couple of towels to protect the wings and it made the wing
holder extra tight. The added compression was obvious.
To be honest, I very disappointed with my XS wings. I spent a lot of time
finishing mine only to find once they were baked (140 f) that the fiberglass
substrate underneath showed through. It I was to do it again (and I might)
I would bake the wings first, re sand the primed surface and then paint it.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: BID supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Paul,
> I just emailed them (thanks for the URL) and got the reply that the
>BiD supplied for Europas came from Germany, in 100m rolls only and that they
>would not stock it..................?
>Ferg
>A064
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: BID supplier
>
>
>| --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>|
>| Dennis
>|
>| I have just asked the same question of Skycraft in Lincs. The supply
>| 92915 which is the BID cloth Europa use. Thei email address is
>| SKYCRAFTLTD@aol.com tel 0870 7592723 or 01406 371779.
>|
>|
>| Regards
>|
>| Paul
>|
>| G-GIDY
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
>
>
How strange.
I rang them Monday and ordered 5 m of 92125 BID cloth. They were happy
to take the order and my credit card details ( but there again so was
Ray) . There is a parcel waiting for me at the post office which I
assume to be the BID. So I can't explain the response you got.
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Paul,
Thanks for that info. I didn't realise one still had to bake the XS wings.
If I bake mine, I'll be sure to do it before finishing.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jeremy,
No, the area that distorted was not the area painted. It was on the trailer
for 10 days in mild summer temperatures. The only thing I did different
was to put a couple of towels to protect the wings and it made the wing
holder extra tight. The added compression was obvious.
To be honest, I very disappointed with my XS wings. I spent a lot of time
finishing mine only to find once they were baked (140 f) that the fiberglass
substrate underneath showed through. It I was to do it again (and I might)
I would bake the wings first, re sand the primed surface and then paint it.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Where can I get Dot5 from in the UK?
Steve Pitt #403
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger brakes
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field"
<peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
> >
> > Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes
not
> > being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual
resting
> > position after operation?
> >
> > If so, what is the cure?
> >
> > Peter Field
> > Kit 566
>
> I bought one from Europa Florida. I took it apart - there was lots of
swarf
> inside. It had also been mismachined, the end inch of the bores where the
> seals normally go when at "rest" were badly machined with the smooth part
of
> the bore not reaching the open end.
>
> After some discussion (somewhat one way) with Jamar in the US, I got John
> Hurst to admit that there had been a faulty batch from Jamar and he sent
me
> a replacement, which does not have the faulty machining.
>
> So undo the end plates (mind the piston and seals as they should come out)
> and look at the quality of the machining.
>
> When trying it, be sure that there is plenty of lubrication of the fluid
> that you are using (I have a litre of DOT 5 for sale !).
>
> Also remember that in use there will be considerable back-pressure from
the
> callipers which will also help to push the master cylinder pistons back.
>
> Jamar have assured me that the seals in the twin master cylinder are
> suitable for use with ATF/Aviation Brake Fluid and as this is also the
> correct type for the callipers on the tri-gear it should be possible to
use
> ATF/Av Brake Fluid rather than DOT 5 (which is why mine is for sale !)
>
> Having said all that I haven't yet installed mine - waiting for down time
> during the winter. Too nice to take it off-line at the moment ! I am
getting
> used to my twin finger brakes built from the standard (originally floor
> mounted) master cylinders, with long extension levers.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/17/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 17/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Ferg
>
>Go to Aircraft Spruce catalog page 30. The "Rutan Fiberglass Cloth" is a
>good substitute for what Europa was sending us. I have used it and it works
>very well.
>
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
Cliff
It is the same , spec at least. Burt taught Ivan how to build airplanes,
(taught me too) It's Interglas 92125, 2 by 2 twill, Rutan calls it BID,
ordering number RA5177BID. The UNI is 92122, or RA5177 UNI.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: BID supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dennis Lowe <DennisLowe@bluewatertechnology.co.uk>
Paul
I have purchased some BID from Skycraft. The type number is 92125.
It seems to be similar to the Europa supplied BID. Certainly the weight
seems to be similar.
Since I am only using it to finish off non structural parts it will be
fine for what I need and may well be O.K
for other layups but I guess this needs to be confirmed.
You mentioned type 92915 in your original email.Was this a typo?
thanks for the information.
Dennis Lowe G-NHRJ
On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, at 08:02 pm, Paul Stewart wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>>
>> Paul,
>> I just emailed them (thanks for the URL) and got the reply
>> that the
>> BiD supplied for Europas came from Germany, in 100m rolls only and
>> that they
>> would not stock it..................?
>> Ferg
>> A064
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: BID supplier
>>
>>
>> | --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
>> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>> |
>> | Dennis
>> |
>> | I have just asked the same question of Skycraft in Lincs. The supply
>> | 92915 which is the BID cloth Europa use. Thei email address is
>> | SKYCRAFTLTD@aol.com tel 0870 7592723 or 01406 371779.
>> |
>> |
>> | Regards
>> |
>> | Paul
>> |
>> | G-GIDY
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>>
>>
> How strange.
>
> I rang them Monday and ordered 5 m of 92125 BID cloth. They were happy
> to take the order and my credit card details ( but there again so was
> Ray) . There is a parcel waiting for me at the post office which I
> assume to be the BID. So I can't explain the response you got.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
Hi Steven,
Try Demon Tweeks mail order service.
They are based up here in Wrexham and are truly internationally known.
Telephone number 01978 664466 or visit www.demon-tweeks.co.uk.
Page 69 in their 2004 catalogue gives the gen.
Regards,
Ron Jones.
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Swankie" <ian@swankie.co.uk>
Steve
Suggest you either buy a litre of DOT 5 from Richard Holder (see below), or
go to Demon Tweeks http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ for mail order.
Richard will probably be cheaper!
Ian Swankie
Kit 566
www.gchox.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger brakes
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> Where can I get Dot5 from in the UK?
> Steve Pitt #403
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger brakes
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field"
> <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger
brakes
> not
> > > being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual
> resting
> > > position after operation?
> > >
> > > If so, what is the cure?
> > >
> > > Peter Field
> > > Kit 566
> >
> > I bought one from Europa Florida. I took it apart - there was lots of
> swarf
> > inside. It had also been mismachined, the end inch of the bores where
the
> > seals normally go when at "rest" were badly machined with the smooth
part
> of
> > the bore not reaching the open end.
> >
> > After some discussion (somewhat one way) with Jamar in the US, I got
John
> > Hurst to admit that there had been a faulty batch from Jamar and he sent
> me
> > a replacement, which does not have the faulty machining.
> >
> > So undo the end plates (mind the piston and seals as they should come
out)
> > and look at the quality of the machining.
> >
> > When trying it, be sure that there is plenty of lubrication of the fluid
> > that you are using (I have a litre of DOT 5 for sale !).
> >
> > Also remember that in use there will be considerable back-pressure from
> the
> > callipers which will also help to push the master cylinder pistons back.
> >
> > Jamar have assured me that the seals in the twin master cylinder are
> > suitable for use with ATF/Aviation Brake Fluid and as this is also the
> > correct type for the callipers on the tri-gear it should be possible to
> use
> > ATF/Av Brake Fluid rather than DOT 5 (which is why mine is for sale !)
> >
> > Having said all that I haven't yet installed mine - waiting for down
time
> > during the winter. Too nice to take it off-line at the moment ! I am
> getting
> > used to my twin finger brakes built from the standard (originally floor
> > mounted) master cylinders, with long extension levers.
> >
> > Richard
> > Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> > Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> > Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> > SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> > Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> > PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BID supplier |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Dennis Lowe wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Dennis Lowe <DennisLowe@bluewatertechnology.co.uk>
>
>Paul
>
>I have purchased some BID from Skycraft. The type number is 92125.
>It seems to be similar to the Europa supplied BID. Certainly the weight
>seems to be similar.
>Since I am only using it to finish off non structural parts it will be
>fine for what I need and may well be O.K
>for other layups but I guess this needs to be confirmed.
>
>You mentioned type 92915 in your original email.Was this a typo?
>
>thanks for the information.
>Dennis Lowe G-NHRJ
>
>
>
>
Dennis
slip of the one typing finger.
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: EIS versus Steam Gauges |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
This topic of power spikes on starting is an old one. It is my opinion that
new modern electronic equipment, engine or navigation or GPS, should be
designed to live through this problem. If your equipment won't take the
start-up, then return it and get equipment that will. Don't live with poor
designs.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
>
> I have a Zodiac. I added an "ice cube" relay in paralell with the starter
> relay. This relay's NC contacts rated at 30 or 40 amps cuts off all the
> electronics when starting and then switches them back ON after the start
> circuit is denergized.
> Leo Corbalis
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| Subject: | Re: Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Jeremy Davey wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
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>Paul,
>
>Thanks for that info. I didn't realise one still had to bake the XS wings.
>If I bake mine, I'll be sure to do it before finishing.
>
>Cheers,
>Jeremy
>
>Jeremy Davey
>Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>Tail done
>Standard XS wings with mods underway
>CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
>1200 build hours to date
>Intended fit:
>Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
>Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ripples in the wing surface
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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>Jeremy,
>
>No, the area that distorted was not the area painted. It was on the trailer
>for 10 days in mild summer temperatures. The only thing I did different
>was to put a couple of towels to protect the wings and it made the wing
>holder extra tight. The added compression was obvious.
>
>To be honest, I very disappointed with my XS wings. I spent a lot of time
>finishing mine only to find once they were baked (140 f) that the fiberglass
>substrate underneath showed through. It I was to do it again (and I might)
>I would bake the wings first, re sand the primed surface and then paint it.
>
>Paul
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
My paint guy recommends post curing (baking) all fiberglass, before
priming. That way, it's done doing what it's going to do, before the
paint is applied...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Ripples in the wing surface |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Guys,
The addendum to this story might be great. When I put the wings on the
trailer I thought it would be a good idea to put a towel around the area
that normally supports the wing so that they won't get scratched. This then
compressed them this area and I have two decent looking dings on the top
surfaces. I put the aircraft in the sun all day and these areas only
improved slightly.
I will apply some heat lamps to it tomorrow but it would seem that the
indentations are permanent. I assume that it will slowly improve over time,
but as of now this looks like I am going to have to sand, fill and repaint
the top of the wings......... A winter time job
All I can say is for those who use a trailer, be very careful with the XS
wings......Very disappointing.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/17/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
On the UNI.....did you mean to type RA7715? This is from the ACS cataloge,
pg30.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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