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1. 12:23 AM - Paint (Dave Anderson)
2. 02:10 AM - Re: 914 for sale (Alan Burrows)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: Finger brakes (Phil Tait)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: Finger brakes (KARL HEINDL)
5. 06:51 AM - Re: Finger brakes (G-IANI)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Re:Paint opinion (Fred Fillinger)
7. 07:56 AM - EIS problem during start (John & Paddy Wigney)
8. 08:35 AM - Re: Rotax Oil Tank Mounting Bracket (Fred Fillinger)
9. 12:56 PM - rotax dipsticks (again?) (Rowland Carson)
10. 01:00 PM - Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st (Paddy Clarke)
11. 02:48 PM - Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st (bryan allsop)
12. 03:05 PM - Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm (David Simenauer)
13. 03:17 PM - Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st (Duncan McFadyean)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm (Jeremy Davey)
15. 04:12 PM - Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) (Roger Lidtka)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm (Rob Housman)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: EIS problem during start (SPurpura@aol.com)
18. 09:16 PM - Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) (Valerie)
19. 09:25 PM - Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) (Valerie)
20. 11:49 PM - Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st (geoffrey LEEDHAM)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Dave,
Is the K36 intended to take the place of the sandable filler/primer UV
Smooth-prime made by Polyfiber. Just mainly wondering why you had to use
two
primers and assume the Polyfiber product was not used. I already have
applied Smooth-prime to most of my surfaces and plan to sand it with about
180 gt then let the body shop use the recommended primer for the paint
used.(leaning towards the PPG stuff at present.) What grit paper did you
use
on the K36?
##### I followed the advice of the local expert. The DP40 is a "primer / sealer".
I used one coat of that. The K36 is like the UV smooth prime, but not water
based. That is what I used originally - most of it sanded off for the repaint.
I sanded the K36 to 400 grit. The PPG worked great.
Dave
A227
mini U2
Flying again with supported airbox on the 914 engine
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hello Remi
I am interested in your engine please give me your email address so that
I can contact you off forum. Thank You..Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
UVTReith@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 for sale
--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
In einer eMail vom 19.08.2004 20:48:05 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit
schreibt
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com:
--> Europa-List message posted by:
My ROTAX 914 UL engine is for sale, as I am planning to re-engine the
aircraft. Total time since new : 288 hours If you are interested,
please contact me off forum or call me at 33 6 1416 7115. The engine
can be test flown prior to purchase. Aircraft based in Chavenay (Paris
area) Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, s/n 395, 288 hours.
My ROTAX 914 UL engine is for sale, as I am planning to re-engine the
aircraft.
Total time since new: 288 hours
If you are interested, please contact me off forum or call me at 33 6
1416 7115. The engine can be test flown prior to purchase. Aircraft
based in Chavenay (Paris area)
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS 914 monowheel, s/n 395, 288 hours.
Dear Remi,
can you tell me, why you will get rid of the 914T and what type of
engine you will install now ?
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith / Europa Aircraft distributor Germany _uvtreith@aol.com_
(mailto:uvtreith@aol.com) _www.europa-aircraft.de_
(http://www.europa-aircraft.de)
Kit-No. 379 XS Monowheel
Will be finished during winter time
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Tait" <phil@archwise.co.uk>
Peter
I think that you might find the its not the springs that are the problem its the
bore of the cylinders them selves.
I consulted Neville and Andy on this very problem and they advised as follows:-
First strip the unit down into its basic components and clear out all of the polishing
debris out and off all of the components.
locate the PTFE disc that retains the seal and carefully with 400 wet and dry pare
down the edge to take approx 1mm off the Dia
Then clean all of the components and soak them in dot 5 silicone brake fluid.
The cylinders should recover as required but only if the brake system is installed,filled
and bleed.
If you have had normal car brake fluid anywhere near the components the seals are
scrap and need replacing.
Regards
Phil Tait
Tri-gear builder #551
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Field
To: Europa-List@Matronics. Com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Finger brakes
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" <peter.field@hgfield.co.uk>
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Peter,
Didn't someone ask the same question a few days ago , to which I replied ?
The springs are definitely too weak. As a probably temporary solution I inserted
smaller diameter and shorter springs inside the existing springs with the desired
result. One or two builders have had problems with swelling of the seals.
A new seal has a diameter of 21 mm at the open end, and this should remain the
same.
Karl
From: "Peter Field" peter.field@hgfield.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Finger brakes
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Field" peter.field@hgfield.co.uk
Has anybody experienced the springs in the cylinder of the finger brakes not
being powerful enough to return the plunger assembly to its usual resting
position after operation?
If so, what is the cure?
Peter Field
Kit 566
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Been there, done that. The result was better but still not as good as I
would like.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
First strip the unit down into its basic components and clear out all of the
polishing debris out and off all of the components. Locate the PTFE disc
that retains the seal and carefully with 400 wet and dry pare down the edge
to take approx 1mm off the Dia. Then clean all of the components and soak
them in dot 5 silicone brake fluid.
The cylinders should recover as required but only if the brake system is
installed,filled and bleed.
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| Subject: | Re:Paint opinion |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Jim Nelson wrote:
> Hi Fred,
> Yes, all is possible but with a urethane paint, doesn't it
cure
> by chemical reaction rather than by evaporation of a solvent?
> I used the PPG Concept paint on mine and it seems to be acting
> as tho it won't leave anytime soon. I've used some polishing
> compound on it and wax and it seems to be very tough.
>
Jim, true and similar as to the acrylic in the mix (oxidation?), but
there's still solvent in them all and require thinner, but gov't wants
it out of there. So there's now less of it, but solvent is the
painter's friend, and the hint for potential trouble are words like
low VOCs or high solids. Especially for HVLP guns, as I noted in a
discussion board of auto body people and lurkers for wisdom. It's
like you just can't just buy a DeVilbiss HVLP anymore, but only a
certain model Binks or DeVilbiss with a certain tip will shoot
Brand/Type X, especially clearcoat. Try a higher temp thinner than
OAT calls for, etc.
If a pro does a great job, I think lately it's the shop, and not so
much the product. It may be also that where the shop operates permits
them use traditional guns. There used to be a paint shop in the
hangar near my plane. The mandatory air scrubbing eqiup was enormous,
but nary a whiff when some bizjet was gettin' gussied up.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | EIS problem during start |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<<<<Time: 01:32:05 PM PST US
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS versus Steam Gauges
If you fit an EIS just make sure you have a means to isolate it from the
main bus during startup. We have found that if the EIS is not switched off
on startup (starter cranking) the spikes often scramble the memory and
alarms which take about 20 mins to reset again. The worst thing is the reset
ususlly causes the screen contrast to go to zero and then everything becomes
impossible to ajust until the screen contrast can be increased (ie: the
display appears to go blank).
I would suggest that a momentary disconnect button is fitted close to the
starter switch so that temporary isolation can be effected, though a more
sophisticated setup could include an isolator solenoid connected to the
starter solenoid.
An manually operated isolator switch (which is what we have) is not a very
satisfactory solution as its very easy to leave it on during startup and
also easy to forget to turn it back on after startup.>>>>>>>>>
Hi Carl,
I think there may be a glitch in either your circuit or with your EIS since I am
sure that the unit is designed to accept any start-up spikes. My Grand Rapids
EIS stays on during the start with no problems and I am not aware of an EIS
owner having the problems you describe. Have you discussed the problems with Greg
Toman at Grand Rapids? I have always found him to be most helpful.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Oil Tank Mounting Bracket |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
John Cliff wrote:
> ...
> Can anyone tell me the dimensions called out in the drawing and
> the material type and thickness supplied in later engine kits for
this
> additional angled bracket ?
Mine is .7" x circa .032" thick and same (will rust unless..) steel,
and .032" seems to do as intended. It would have been an appropriate
dimension in response to an elderly, long-time scratch builder who
likes to advise me in such matters one word..."medium." :-) My
friend's guidance seems could imply thicker aluminum also.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | rotax dipsticks (again?) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Maybe it's deja-vu, or maybe I'm cracking up. Just noticed this item
on AVflash:
At 2004-08-19 02:58 -0500 AVflash wrote:
>Owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines will get new oil
>dipsticks.
Didn't we have this all a while back? Haven't been onine again to
check if it's a new issue, but thought maybe folks here should check
it out. The URL to start at is:
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/279-full.html#187971>
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Is anyone thinking of going to Hucknall tomorrow Sat 21st?
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Ok Paddy, but it will be afternoon for me. I have golf in the morning. Is
that good enough? Bryan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Is anyone thinking of going to Hucknall tomorrow Sat 21st?
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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| Subject: | Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I cannot seem to find instructions in my manual on the procedure for cutting the
openings in the wings to accept the mass balance arms on the ailerons. I have
an idea as how they should be done but I don't want to guess. Am I not seeing
something in the manual? If the procedure is not in the manual does anyone
have the instructions for doing this?
Thanks,
Dave Simenauer
A101 Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
No. It's too close to home. Going to Devon Strut fly-in at Farway instead;
then bus to Sidmouth or Honiton.
Did Dave B get to Switzerland; brave chap!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Is anyone thinking of going to Hucknall tomorrow Sat 21st?
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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| Subject: | Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
First two paragraphs of Chapter 9, "Fitting ailerons & flaps to wing"...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Simenauer
Subject: Europa-List: Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I cannot seem to find instructions in my manual on the procedure for cutting
the openings in the wings to accept the mass balance arms on the ailerons.
I have an idea as how they should be done but I don't want to guess. Am I
not seeing something in the manual? If the procedure is not in the manual
does anyone have the instructions for doing this?
Thanks,
Dave Simenauer
A101 Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
Maybe it was that owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines are dipsticks.
Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson
Maybe it's deja-vu, or maybe I'm cracking up. Just noticed this item
on AVflash:
At 2004-08-19 02:58 -0500 AVflash wrote:
>Owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines will get new oil
>dipsticks.
Didn't we have this all a while back? Haven't been onine again to
check if it's a new issue, but thought maybe folks here should check
it out. The URL to start at is:
regards
Rowland
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| 710 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail
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| Subject: | Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Jeremy, you apparently have a more recent version of the manual. My
version, and I suspect Dave's version may be the same, has no mention of
this minor detail. The first two PAGES in Chapter 9 of Issue 1 of the
Tri-Gear Manual dated 30 May 1998 discuss attaching the aileron hinges and
then it goes on to discuss various other subjects.
Because there are several versions of the "Builders (sic) Manual" it would
help avoid confusion (or thinking: RTFM, dude!), and make it more likely
that a posting would get a reply, if we mentioned what version we are using.
I responded to Dave off-list with a photo.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
First two paragraphs of Chapter 9, "Fitting ailerons & flaps to wing"...
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Simenauer
Subject: Europa-List: Cutting Wing to Accept Mass Balance Arm
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
I cannot seem to find instructions in my manual on the procedure for cutting
the openings in the wings to accept the mass balance arms on the ailerons.
I have an idea as how they should be done but I don't want to guess. Am I
not seeing something in the manual? If the procedure is not in the manual
does anyone have the instructions for doing this?
Thanks,
Dave Simenauer
A101 Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: EIS problem during start |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
N77EU-,I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MY EIS AT START UP
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| Subject: | Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Valerie" <vgunn@telus.net>
Nice
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lidtka" <rogerlid@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rotax dipsticks (again?)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
>
> Maybe it was that owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines are
dipsticks.
>
>
> Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson
>
> Maybe it's deja-vu, or maybe I'm cracking up. Just noticed this item
> on AVflash:
>
> At 2004-08-19 02:58 -0500 AVflash wrote:
>
> >Owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines will get new oil
> >dipsticks.
>
> Didn't we have this all a while back? Haven't been onine again to
> check if it's a new issue, but thought maybe folks here should check
> it out. The URL to start at is:
>
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rotax dipsticks (again?) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Valerie" <vgunn@telus.net>
This is uneccessary ,,. perhaps...if you don't have any thing nice to say...
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
Maybe it was that owners of Rotax 912F, 912S and 914F engines are dipsticks.
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| Subject: | Re: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "geoffrey LEEDHAM" <geoff@gleedham.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Paddy
I am planning Hucknall,
perhaps see you there
Geoff leedham
G-EOFS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Robin Hood Fly-in, Hucknall Sat 21st
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Is anyone thinking of going to Hucknall tomorrow Sat 21st?
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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