Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:23 AM - 912UL oil consumption (David Corbett)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: 914 TCU (Rob Huntington)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Attention all European pilots - URGENT!! (Rowland Carson)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: 914 TCU (Carpenter, Matt)
5. 07:48 AM - 914 Coolant Temp (Carpenter, Matt)
6. 11:42 AM - Re: 912UL oil consumption (Alan Stewart)
7. 01:19 PM - Re: 912s oil consumption (bryan allsop)
8. 02:33 PM - Re: 912S Resonance / Vibration (Tony Bale)
9. 02:33 PM - Re: 912S Resonance / Vibration (Tony Bale)
10. 03:18 PM - UK Civil Law and unnamed private firm (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 03:59 PM - Re: 914 Coolant Temp (Paul McAllister)
12. 04:16 PM - Battery Compartment in Rear (JR (Bob) Gowing)
13. 04:55 PM - Re: 914 Coolant Temp (SPurpura@aol.com)
14. 05:03 PM - Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred Fillinger)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: 914 Coolant Temp (Steve Hagar)
16. 06:54 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Kingsley Hurst)
17. 07:30 PM - Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred R. Klein)
18. 07:54 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fergus Kyle)
19. 08:02 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Paul McAllister)
20. 08:18 PM - Coolant Temp (Cliff Shaw)
21. 09:15 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | 912UL oil consumption |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
My engine has done just over 260 hours, and is now 40 hours into its first 50 hr
cycle on the recommended Shell oil.
It has used no oil in those 40 hours - running at 5000 rpm on its CSC controller
for the Arplast prop.
David
G-BZAM - now away for 10 days sailing
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington <robertodue2002@yahoo.com>
Hi Matt,
Another problem you might be facing is that if the program is accessed and not
configured properly, then the file named TLR.CFG is not in the proper format.
You must erase the file TLR.CFG, and try accessing the program again. The command
at the C> prompt is: erase tlr.cfg, if the program is located at the root
directory, otherwise you must go to the directory where the program and cfg file
is located and type in the erase command
"Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
Hello,
I downloaded the new version of testing software for the TCU.
Then I checked the serial numbers (again), and my serial number is above the
need
for a dongle..
I then started my laptop up in DOS mode only..
I turned the TCU on, the turbo warning lights went on then off. But, when
the program
tries to "talk" to the TCU it tells me "Error Serial I/O". The manual says
that its
not talking to the TCU.
I have no idea what version the TCU is. The engine was installed in 1999 -
2000 range.
Any ideas? The serial cable looks fine.. I would have to take the panel out
to get to the TCU.
Rob Huntington
Phoenix Composites
4863 E. Falcon Dr.
Mesa, AZ 85215
ph (480) 924-9750
email robertodue2002@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Attention all European pilots - URGENT!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-08-23 17:34 +0100 David Corbett wrote:
>in future all aircraft, regardless of whether they are IFR or VFR,
>and with no minimum weight cut off, should be required to pay for
>use of 'services' provided, such as air traffic control, NOTAMS and
>weather information, search and rescue and so on, whether directly
>or indirectly used
I have now placed the response document for this consultation
exercise in the "document storage" section of the EuropaOwners
message board. You'll find it attached to a message with the subject
line "Single Sky charges threat - action needed!". The URL is
<http://forum.okhuijsen.org/> and you'll need to register in order to
see and download the file.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
ah! Okay, well just by luck I happen to have a null modem adapter.
The cable that comes from the TCU.. I did plug it into the back of the
laptop, no extension cable.
So, I will try a Null modem adapter and see if that helps.
Also, I checked inside the cable (from the TCU) and it looked fine.. no
broken connections.
I will try again.. thanks for the advice!
Matt Carpenter
A138
Amarillo, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 TCU
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Matt:
I just set mine up this weekend and had the same issue, serial I/O error.
The cable I had was wired up for a null modem connection where 2 pins were
crossed. Make sure your cable is wired pin for pin.
Steve Hagar
a143
Mesa,AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Carpenter, Matt <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/23/2004 8:14:12 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 TCU
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
<mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I downloaded the new version of testing software for the TCU.
> Then I checked the serial numbers (again), and my serial number is above
the
> need
> for a dongle..
> I then started my laptop up in DOS mode only..
> I turned the TCU on, the turbo warning lights went on then off. But, when
> the program
> tries to "talk" to the TCU it tells me "Error Serial I/O". The manual
says
> that its
> not talking to the TCU.
>
> I have no idea what version the TCU is. The engine was installed in 1999
-
> 2000 range.
> Any ideas? The serial cable looks fine.. I would have to take the panel
out
> to get to the TCU.
>
> INFO:
>
> We have been having oil temp problems, so we did the mod where it lowers
the
> oil cooler down.
> GREAT! The oil is now down to around 210~ .. BUT the Water temp shot up
so
> high it blew the
> antifreeze reservoir tubing off.. with antifreeze going everywhere! Our
EIS
> 2000 has a page that
> says "Coolant Temp", but always reads 59F.. Is there a place on the Rotax
to
> read Coolant temp? Or
> do I keep an eye on the CHT? The CHT climbing past 275F was our clue
> yesterday.
> We are adding another mod so that it keeps the air separate between the
oil
> and water cooler.. that
> should help.
>
> Matt Carpenter
> A138 Amarillo, Texas
>
>
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| Subject: | 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
My EIS 2000 has a "Coolant Temp" readout..
After many hours last night I was able to track down the wire.. it goes no
where.
So, is there a place to add a temp probe to a 914? I went through the
manuals and
I find no place that you can add a probe/use current probe to get water
temps.
The other method would be to only watch the CHT, is that what most 914
owners do?
On a side note.. I tracked down the OAT (also goes to EIS 2000), and found
that it connects
to a small metal piece behind the avionics panel. The other day the temp
was around 95 OAT, and the OAT on the EIS said 95, but after the engine ran
for a bit, it had jumped to 110.. so the OAT probe is picking up heat from
the avionics, and some off the engine. Where SHOULD it be located?
Thanks,
Matt Carpenter
A138
Amarillo, Texas
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| Subject: | 912UL oil consumption |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
My 912UL engine has done 680 hours in about eight years. I'm using Shell
Advance VSX-4 (synthetic based oil) as recommended, since my unleaded
mogas is occasionally supplemented with 100LL. I suppose the Rotax runs
at an average of 5100-5200RPM in cruise, measured on Skydrives Flydat.
I burn oil, and always have, perhaps a bit more than in the early days.
Useage is within the limits as described in the user manual. I probably
top up every eight weeks or so.
Having said that, I have suffered from the odd leak from places like oil
filter seal and from under the four covers of the cylinder heads, which
has made estimating more difficult.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Corbett
Subject: Europa-List: 912UL oil consumption
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett"
<David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
My engine has done just over 260 hours, and is now 40 hours into its
first 50 hr cycle on the recommended Shell oil.
It has used no oil in those 40 hours - running at 5000 rpm on its CSC
controller for the Arplast prop.
David
G-BZAM - now away for 10 days sailing
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: 912s oil consumption |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Richard,
As you know my bird has the same 912s as yours. Difference is that mine does
not consume any noticable amounts of oil. She has done 270 hours using
recomended semi-synthetics.
Until today, I thought that this normal. I would not have thought 1-2 litres
to be normal every 50hours.
No doubt someone will be responding to suggest that using 'no oil' is
something to worry about, but I will worry about that when it happens. Nor
do I have nicotine stains. Cow shit, yes!
There is probably nothing to get too concerned about immediately, but I
would suggest that you keep very careful records of oil/hours from now on to
identify any trends at the earliest.You probably dont need advice as obvious
as that though.
Very best regards. Bryan.G BYSA
PS. Why arent you doing the Six Nations thing?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: 912s oil consumption
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> Following the recommendations from Rotax, I have recently changed from
> Castrol GTX magnatec to Shell VSX4 for my 912S. I seem to be consuming
> more of this and getting more 'nicotine' stains down the exhaust side of
> the fuselage. Engine has done 100 hours now and I seem to be consuming
> around 1 to 2 litres of oil between 50 hours oil changes approx. Is
> this normal?
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Resonance / Vibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Jim,
Thanks for your thoughts. We originally set the prop to 19deg, but
during the first runs the aircraft tacho was recording 5500 - 5600 static
which we thought much too high (we had been told by other Europa owners with
the same spec to aim for 21 deg if not 22.) We reset to 21 deg and got
5100 - 5200 static. Several trains of thought have come to light, we can
only monitor and advise of our findings, however we have an Airmaster which
we will install when we are ready - it will be interesting to see what
happens next. Watch this space.
Tony.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Resonance / Vibration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Tony,
> You might bring the pitch back to 19 deg. and see if it goes
> away. I'm running 19 deg. (with a 912S) and get only 5700 on climb out.
> You may have too much pitch. You might start at 18 deg first and then go
> up in 1 deg. steps. I also have a Mono-
>
> Jim
> N15JN
>
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:09:28 +0100 "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale"
> > <tony.bale@virgin.net>
> >
> > Folks,
> > We have just completed the first 2 1/2 hrs of ground
> > engine running (912S Warpdrive @ 21deg XS mono) apart from a couple
> > of starting problems which we think are fuel related, the only issue
> > which we are concerned about is a vibration / resonance at 3200 -
> > 3300 RPM.
> > Could find nothing loose, re-torqued the blades and had a good poke
> > and push around with all the bits and pieces, anyone any ideas /
> > experience ? We have spent considerable effort in reducing throttle
> > cable drag and balancing the carbs.
> > The rev band the resonance occurs at is very specific, and goes as
> > quickly as it starts, very consistent and repeatable, however the
> > engine is smooth at all other speeds.
> >
> > I must say being a spam can pilot I was very impressed (not to
> > mention releaved) at how controllable the aircraft was on the ground
> > in some cross winds and up to high taxi speeds on grass
> >
> > Yours with blurrrrrred vision
> >
> >
> > Tony.
> >
> >
> > PS, I think CKT will be releasing an exhaust mod to prevent the
> > manifold pipe (left rear) cracking some people have experienced.
> > Also they were unaware of the tail pipe falling off some owners have
> > experienced, they are developing a better clamping device.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Resonance / Vibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Duncan,
If it has to resonate somewhere, I wish it would resonate off the
end of the wing and leave my engine alone ! However i note your comments.
The resonance only effects this very tight band and has no sign immediately
below or above. We have experienced of late starting problems which we have
put down to fuel, your comment on float bowls might have some bearing - as
before I'll keep the forum posted of any findings.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Resonance / Vibration
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> It has to resonate somewhere!
> But it may not necessarily be the engine itself. The engine mount/engine
> will have a particular resonant frequency as will anything else hung off
it
> e.g. the exhaust system.
>
> However, your resonance is so tightly focussed around 3250 as to suggest
> that it could be a compounded effect eg a more general resonance that
causes
> a problem in one of the systems (eg carb vibration and shortlived
> overfilling of the float bowl).
>
> I have the same set-up on my Rotax as yours. There is a slight
> roughness/unhappiness between 4200 and 4500, which is only detectable when
> the prop and everything else is well balanced, but enough to want to avoid
> that speed range in cruise.I suspect this particular vibration is a
> propeller/gearbox interaction.
>
> Balancing the carbs throughout the speed range is impossible on many
> Rotaxes, due to a combination of tolerance differences including the
length
> and mounting of the throttle arms on the carbs. Best therefore to balance
at
> cruise engine speeds and not worry about other speeds.
>
> Duncan Mcf
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: 912S Resonance / Vibration
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
> >
> > Folks,
> > We have just completed the first 2 1/2 hrs of ground
engine
> running (912S Warpdrive @ 21deg XS mono) apart from a couple of starting
> problems which we think are fuel related, the only issue which we are
> concerned about is a vibration / resonance at 3200 - 3300 RPM.
> > Could find nothing loose, re-torqued the blades and had a good poke and
> push around with all the bits and pieces, anyone any ideas / experience ?
We
> have spent considerable effort in reducing throttle cable drag and
balancing
> the carbs.
> > The rev band the resonance occurs at is very specific, and goes as
quickly
> as it starts, very consistent and repeatable, however the engine is smooth
> at all other speeds.
> >
> > I must say being a spam can pilot I was very impressed (not to mention
> releaved) at how controllable the aircraft was on the ground in some cross
> winds and up to high taxi speeds on grass
> >
> > Yours with blurrrrrred vision
> >
> >
> > Tony.
> >
> >
> > PS, I think CKT will be releasing an exhaust mod to prevent the manifold
> pipe (left rear) cracking some people have experienced. Also they were
> unaware of the tail pipe falling off some owners have experienced, they
are
> developing a better clamping device.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | UK Civil Law and unnamed private firm |
08/24/2004 06:18:32 PM,
Serialize complete at 08/24/2004 06:18:32 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All,
It came into my silly mind today to wonder what might be
the civil or criminal penalties for chronic corporate tax evasion?
Do you still have Dickensian debtor's prisons?
Any barristers out there? Might the answer make us feel better?
Ira N224xs
10.5 hr on the new tach
Squashing punch list this week at Zephyrhills down from 30 major items to
3!
hope to be back in the air tommorrow after setting proper prop limits on
airmaster, and recrimping intermittant bnc for my GPS.
A few words of advice follows my little shop accidents today:
1) never leave anything loose near engine intake.. A #8 machine screw and
fender washer were
inadvertantly left on airbox after removing filter for some reason. I was
very lucky -
the washer bottomed out on floor of airbox tube leading to carb adapter.
The screw was
inside throtle plate! If it had migrated into manifold I think the
rebuild would have
been expensive. OK, you have all heard that one before, but the next is
not one
that had been pointed out to me before.
I was testing wiring in wing to explain Nav light breaker popping 3-4
seconds
after turning on lights. never mind why, it's fixed. However when I
removed
outer retaining screws on the Whelan 650 fixture, being relatively
careful, the
strobe lens just about popped out of the base and shattered on the floor.
Witnesses
say it happens all the time to the unwary. I had to buy a new one at
AeroMech
at Lakeland for $33 and the little shot glass did not even come with some
vodka or tequila!
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Matt,
I have the OAT sensor mounted on the top of the air filter which is directly
in the outside air stream. I am not monitoring coolant but I have two CHT
sensors in place. I have purchased a coolant monitoring kit from SkyDrive
but I am yet to install it.
The other parameter that I would like to monitor is the airbox temperature
but I haven't decided how I am going to do this.
Regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
OAT PROBE SHOULD BE PLACED SO IT CAN READ OAT,NOT BEHIND THE PANEL,I PLACED
MINE IN THE OUTIDE AIR VENT.
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Hi, all --
I remembered doing a trial fit of each "Perspex" originally after kit
delivery, and I recall only modest trimming to be needed. Now one
door's glass has shrunk up to 1/4" in some places. Both are enough to
require rework of the rebates to provide bonding area. They've also
shrunk mostly top/bottom, vs. fore/aft, so rework of the rebate can be
mostly at the top.
I checked the windscreen this A.M., after gathering nerve to do so,
and it has shrunk too, with probable fiberglass rework, even without
smoothing out some unsteady or (non-sober?) cutting by whichever
factory cut it . I bought the kit all at once, and there were sticker
dates on some items in the fuse kit as old as 96-97. So this acrylic
plastic may have seen quite a few birthdays to date, even if newer.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe someone with a many-year old
Europa may have observed a once nice fit of the door is now no longer
a pretty fit?
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Matt:
I put a thermocouple to the outside of the little coolant expansion tank.
A hoseclamp secures it there with a piece of high temp silicone foam. I
haven't flown it yet but I got the idea from Dave Deford and Terry Seaver.
They have been flying their plane for some time.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Carpenter, Matt <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/24/2004 7:48:34 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 Coolant Temp
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
<mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
>
> My EIS 2000 has a "Coolant Temp" readout..
> After many hours last night I was able to track down the wire.. it goes no
> where.
>
> So, is there a place to add a temp probe to a 914? I went through the
> manuals and
> I find no place that you can add a probe/use current probe to get water
> temps.
>
> The other method would be to only watch the CHT, is that what most 914
> owners do?
>
>
> On a side note.. I tracked down the OAT (also goes to EIS 2000), and found
> that it connects
> to a small metal piece behind the avionics panel. The other day the temp
> was around 95 OAT, and the OAT on the EIS said 95, but after the engine
ran
> for a bit, it had jumped to 110.. so the OAT probe is picking up heat from
> the avionics, and some off the engine. Where SHOULD it be located?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Carpenter
> A138
> Amarillo, Texas
>
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Fred Fillinger wrote :-
> Now one door's glass has shrunk up to 1/4" in some places. . . .
Sorry to hear of your misfortune with the windows and windscreen Fred.
Unfortunately, I am unable to offer any explanation or help but . . just
want to say however, that should you have advised us of this problem
earlier, it would have frightened @#$% out of me because my screen and
windows (now installed) were standing on their ends in my shed for over
7 years where the temperature reaches around 50C quite often in summer
time and 0C or below during winter. If yours are made of the same
material as mine, from my very limited experience just sited, it would
seem the problem should not have been caused by temperature - but then
again, what else could it be ??
Just thinking Fred, in view of the fact that it seems to have shrunk in
one direction only, if you place the perspex on a door and press in the
middle, will it not straighten out enough to cover 10mm or so of the
door flange ? Advice I received from Neville Eyre . . . . " ensure you
remove the gel coat from the flanges of the doors to allow the perspex
to sit a little deeper" (flanges originally made for thinner perspex)
This hopefully, may allow you to crib another mm or two as well.
I sympathise with you Fred because I know what the feeling is like. We
don't expect these sorts of problems and it is very frustrating.
Good luck mate.
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi Fred F.,
Sorry to hear of your situation.
The question in my mind is whether you're dealing with deformation or
shrinkage (?). Perhaps a call to a techie at Roehm & Hass might be useful.
(?)
I'm curious as to whether your plexi is clear or tinted; and whether or not
your ship has spent a lot of time in the hot sun (with or without those
reflective blankets one see's so often.
Fred K.
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex!
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>|
| Hi, all --|
| I remembered doing a trial fit of each "Perspex" originally after kit
| delivery, and I recall only modest trimming to be needed. Now one
| door's glass has shrunk up to 1/4" in some places. Both are enough to
| require rework of the rebates to provide bonding area. They've also
| shrunk mostly top/bottom, vs. fore/aft, so rework of the rebate can be
| mostly at the top.|
| I checked the windscreen this A.M., after gathering nerve to do so,
| and it has shrunk too, with probable fiberglass rework, even without
| smoothing out some unsteady or (non-sober?) cutting by whichever
| factory cut it . I bought the kit all at once, and there were sticker
| dates on some items in the fuse kit as old as 96-97. So this acrylic
| plastic may have seen quite a few birthdays to date, even if newer.|
| Has anyone encountered this? Maybe someone with a many-year old
| Europa may have observed a once nice fit of the door is now no longer
| a pretty fit? Reg, Fred F.
Yeah, Mebbe, Fred,
Am about to start shaving them to fit. What do you suggest I do?
Should I allow exact fit and hope they don't buckle 'til they shrink? MIne
were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Fred,
Did the Perspex shrink, or did the fiberglass move/change. Given my recent
experience with the wings my bet would be on the fiberglass moving.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> Hi, all --
>
> I remembered doing a trial fit of each "Perspex" originally after kit
> delivery, and I recall only modest trimming to be needed. Now one
> door's glass has shrunk up to 1/4" in some places. Both are enough to
> require rework of the rebates to provide bonding area. They've also
> shrunk mostly top/bottom, vs. fore/aft, so rework of the rebate can be
> mostly at the top.
>
> I checked the windscreen this A.M., after gathering nerve to do so,
> and it has shrunk too, with probable fiberglass rework, even without
> smoothing out some unsteady or (non-sober?) cutting by whichever
> factory cut it . I bought the kit all at once, and there were sticker
> dates on some items in the fuse kit as old as 96-97. So this acrylic
> plastic may have seen quite a few birthdays to date, even if newer.
>
> Has anyone encountered this? Maybe someone with a many-year old
> Europa may have observed a once nice fit of the door is now no longer
> a pretty fit?
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I did a Rocky Mountain water temperature probe in the water collector tub
where the "radiator cap" is. I had a welder put a pad on the side of the tub
that I drilled and taped for an 1/8" pipe thread. I think it is working very
well. As I reported earlier its consistent measurements. Look at this link
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=WileE&id=A031903H2Otemp&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
(It is midway down on page #11.)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 Coolant Temp
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> Matt:
>
> I put a thermocouple to the outside of the little coolant expansion tank.
> A hoseclamp secures it there with a piece of high temp silicone foam. I
> haven't flown it yet but I got the idea from Dave Deford and Terry Seaver.
> They have been flying their plane for some time.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143
> Mesa, AZ
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Ferg wrote :-
> Mine were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
Gee Ferg, you have been building a long time! Did you get the pre
prototype kit ?
In jest.
Regs
Kingsley
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