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1. 01:18 AM - Re: UK Civil Law and unnamed private firm (G-IANI)
2. 03:10 AM - Re: Brake lines - Parking brake valve (Alan Burrows)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: 914 Coolant Temp (europa@triton.net)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred Fillinger)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred Fillinger)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred Fillinger)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: 914 Coolant Temp (Carpenter, Matt)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Rob Housman)
9. 09:20 AM - (Erich Trombley)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Alan Burrows)
11. 09:30 AM - DOTH Thursday 26th (Paddy Clarke)
12. 09:58 AM - Older Exhaust (John Cliff)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: DOTH Thursday 26th (Alan Burrows)
14. 10:10 AM - Re: Older Exhaust (NevEyre@aol.com)
15. 10:25 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Richard Iddon)
16. 10:51 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Fred Fillinger)
17. 10:59 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Alan Burrows)
18. 11:00 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fred Fillinger)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fergus Kyle)
20. 02:48 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Robert Berube)
21. 03:32 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 (Graham Singleton)
22. 03:32 PM - Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Graham Singleton)
23. 03:32 PM - Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Graham Singleton)
24. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 (Cliff Shaw)
25. 05:40 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (astills)
26. 07:15 PM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Fergus Kyle)
27. 07:20 PM - Honey, I kid the shrinks (Fergus Kyle)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 (Steve Hagar)
29. 08:00 PM - Re: Honey, I kid the shrinks (Steve Hagar)
30. 09:48 PM - Window and Windshield Value (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
31. 10:07 PM - Re: Window and Windshield Value (Gerry Holland)
32. 10:54 PM - Re: Window and Windshield Value (Roger Lidtka)
33. 11:16 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (nigel charles)
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| Subject: | UK Civil Law and unnamed private firm |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Now come on Ira this is woolly thinking.
How could you be done for "chronic corporate tax evasion" if you never made
a profit?
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Subject: Europa-List: UK Civil Law and unnamed private firm
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All,
It came into my silly mind today to wonder what might be
the civil or criminal penalties for chronic corporate tax evasion?
Do you still have Dickensian debtor's prisons?
Any barristers out there? Might the answer make us feel better?
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| Subject: | Brake lines - Parking brake valve |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hello Dennis
Please contact me off list at alan@kestrel-insurance.com with details of
your brake kit i.e. how much you want for it and what exactly it
contains.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Lowe
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake lines - Parking brake valve
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dennis Lowe
--> <DennisLowe@bluewatertechnology.co.uk>
Dear all
I have a finger brake kit that is surplus to requirements if anyone is
interested.
I had arrange to return it to Europa but that is, of course, not now
possible.
Dennis Lowe G-NHRJ
On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 09:11 am, G-IANI wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>
> The parts for the Finger brakes are listed below, (If the table looks
> wrong
> turn off HTML, ie use character)
>
> Part Make Model Source contact
> Master Cylinder Jamar US2002X Without levers
> Frank on
> jamar1@gte.net(no known UK source)
>
> http://jamarperformance.com/Default.htm
>
> Reservoir ACS A-315 ACS Page 214, PN.
> A-315
>
> Park brake Matco ACS Page 215, PN
> 06-17200
>
> Connectors Brass Polyflow ACS Page 111
> Straight
> 268P-04x02 Male elbow 269P-04x02
>
> Tubing Original Europa is 6mm and bad fit. Use Nylaflow in
>
> I have talked to Andy about the tubing issue. Europa supply 6mm tube
> but
> 1/4in connectors. This does work but it is too easy for the seal to
> fail.
> It is better if you use 1/4in Polyflow or Nylaflow to match the
> fittings.
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rocketman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Brake lines - Parking brake valve
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> What is the recommended brake line, for use on a trigear? Also,
> anybody
> have a source for a parking brake valve?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> --
> Jeff - A055
> Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: europa@triton.net
We are installing the Blue Mountain EFIS 1. Since Rotax has CHT sensors
on both sets of heads and they specify max CHT, Greg Richter suggested
that we monitor water pressure rather than water temp. This will give a
much quicker notification of a water leak. Plan is to put a boss in the
header tank similar to what Cliff described.
Jim & Heather A185
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Fred,
>
> Did the Perspex shrink, or did the fiberglass move/change. Given my
> recent experience with the wings my bet would be on the fiberglass
moving.
>
> Paul
>
Well, polyester resin is pseudo living tissue, even more so than epoxy
composite, Paul. I did the newer, preferred attachment of the gas
struts, but it has needed weeks to settle out its stress effect. The
fuselage was first SuperFill'd to be flush with the doors; gonna
need little bit more now, where the struts attach to the door. Thus,
one concern was if plexiglass stresses could ruin my nice door fit
over time.
From what I could google, shrinkage in one direction can occur (after
cool down of a molded part) when using acrylic sheet made by some
extrusion processes. But not long term of significance that I could
find. The words residual stress did pop up a lot, stemming from the
molding not done the best way. But you'd think the shop made mine
just like all the others. However, I had to return one to Lakeland
long ago, as the obvious optical defects at the top edge were just
awful.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Kingsley Hurst wrote:
> ...it would have frightened @#$% out of me because my screen and
> windows (now installed) were standing on their ends in my shed for
> over 7 years where the temperature reaches around 50C quite often
> in summer time and 0C or below during winter.
Thanks for the suggestions, Kinsgley, but they lie flush in the
sans-gelcoat rebates all around nicely. Mine have been stored in
constant temp in what's supposed to be a billiard room, slowly being
reactivated through reduction in parts inventory! It's quite possible
I never noticed the misfit of one glass several years ago, due to
maybe poor factory cut at the top, but it's so obvious. No big deal
fixing the rebate, after all the practice in making the cowlings fit
the way I want; but I hope these fixes will end soon.
One nice thing is minimal handling of the glass to trim them down now.
Breakage and scratching is directly related to availability of a
replacement, you know. Forgetting previous bizarre things done on my
property, my new "neighbor from hell" started felling all his trees,
after stripping most of the gorgeous landscaping last week. One huge
chunk of an 80-foot tree landed in my back yard, shaking the house and
shop like a huge bomb exploded nearby, while I was gently handling one
of the acrylics. Part of my knock-dead wooded view out the back was
the visual effect of his; now Mr. Ignazlo Whatever has cost me about
$5,000 property value, that's all. But I was musing a while back
whether people who would buy the house would think me an oddball for
building an airplane. No concern there.... :-)
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Yeah, Mebbe, Fred,
> Am about to start shaving them to fit. What do you suggest I
do?
> Should I allow exact fit and hope they don't buckle 'til they
shrink? MIne
> were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
> Cheers, Ferg
>
I guess if no similar anecdotes follow, just forge onward, Ferg. Mine
may be the odd, unexplainable case. I thought I briefly saw Rod
Serling of the "Twilight Zone" peering into my shop the other day,
though. Couldn't have been my new neighbor -- he didn't have one,
big-ass chainsaw!
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | 914 Coolant Temp |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
My EIS 2000 has an unused AUX2 input. I was thinking that I could monitor
Airbox temp on AUX2..
Where would I find a probe for the airbox? There is a place ready for a
connection
on the airbox for a temp probe.
Matt Carpenter
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Coolant Temp
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Matt,
I have the OAT sensor mounted on the top of the air filter which is directly
in the outside air stream. I am not monitoring coolant but I have two CHT
sensors in place. I have purchased a coolant monitoring kit from SkyDrive
but I am yet to install it.
The other parameter that I would like to monitor is the airbox temperature
but I haven't decided how I am going to do this.
Regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
For my Rotax 914 installation the battery is located just aft of the baggage
bay bulkhead, starboard side. There were two reasons for selecting this
location - 1) Kim Prout, who knows a few things about the aircraft and is my
EAA Technical Advisor, suggested this location because his first Europa was
slightly nose heavy, and 2) the factory's wiring harness has the fat wires
start at that location.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR (Bob) Gowing
Subject: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs.
do not archive
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From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Fred, I have the same vintage aircraft and experienced a similar situation. Having
trimmed the perspex many years ago to the proper fit and just recently bonding
them in. My perspex had curled up, thus when I placed the perspex in the
door frame it was short of the frame by 1/2 or more in some places from top
to bottom. Sideways was pretty close. Not to worry though. Once I applied
some pressure in the center of the perspex it flattened out and everything fit
just has it had all those years before. You might try placing the perspex outside
and letting the sun warm it up so that it will conform better to the frame.
I think it will all work out for you.
Regards,
Erich Trombley N28ET
Hi, all --
I remembered doing a trial fit of each "Perspex" originally after kit
delivery, and I recall only modest trimming to be needed. Now one
door's glass has shrunk up to 1/4" in some places. Both are enough to
require rework of the rebates to provide bonding area. They've also
shrunk mostly top/bottom, vs. fore/aft, so rework of the rebate can be
mostly at the top.
I checked the windscreen this A.M., after gathering nerve to do so,
and it has shrunk too, with probable fiberglass rework, even without
smoothing out some unsteady or (non-sober?) cutting by whichever
factory cut it . I bought the kit all at once, and there were sticker
dates on some items in the fuse kit as old as 96-97. So this acrylic
plastic may have seen quite a few birthdays to date, even if newer.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe someone with a many-year old
Europa may have observed a once nice fit of the door is now no longer
a pretty fit?
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
My Battery is also located behind the baggage bay bulkhead(starboard
side) in fact its about 1 mtr back from the bulkhead. The reason mine is
sighted there is for weight & balance purposes. We calculated that with
a light pilot and empty ( well almost) fuel tank you could actually be
out of balance, but I guess that depends on the weight of your battery.
But I would strongly recommend you do some calculations based on all
possible configurations to determine the optimum placement of the
battery rather that just consider the obvious wiring issues. As you
really don't want to discover what its like to fly "outside the
envelope" believe me especially when you least expect it.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
For my Rotax 914 installation the battery is located just aft of the
baggage bay bulkhead, starboard side. There were two reasons for
selecting this location - 1) Kim Prout, who knows a few things about the
aircraft and is my EAA Technical Advisor, suggested this location
because his first Europa was slightly nose heavy, and 2) the factory's
wiring harness has the fat wires start at that location.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR (Bob)
Gowing
Subject: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
--> <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs. do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
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| Subject: | DOTH Thursday 26th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
If there are any drop-of-the-hatters left in the country( U.K.!),
how
about Eaglescott on Thursday?. Voucher in Pilot - never been there, but
it looks like it would be just as well to bring your own lunch. It
could be a bit windy, so I'll make a final decision in the morning.
Cheers,
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
I have got round to fitting an early XS exhaust system, made by Heggemann, p/n
25-00200.
Among the bag of bits with it are two aluminium flanges, such as you might use
to connect ducting, though the flanges on these are formed to a saddle shape to
fit against a cylindrical object.
The manual is silent on the purpose of these and the inventory doesn't help.
Can anyone tell me what these are for ? (Fabricating a hot air duct using the
shroud round the silencer [muffler] perhaps ? )
Also in the bag are 8 all-metal stiffnuts (repalce the manifold stiffnuts
supplied with the engine ?), a few 'pop' rivets and a couple of sachets of what
appears to be an exhaust-temperature assembly paste (no English labelling).
Is the exhaust system itself supposed to be assembled dry ?
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | DOTH Thursday 26th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Anybody fancy Sherburn on Sunday 22nd ?
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Thursday 26th
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke
--> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
If there are any drop-of-the-hatters left in the
country( U.K.!), how
about Eaglescott on Thursday?. Voucher in Pilot - never been there, but
it looks like it would be just as well to bring your own lunch. It
could be a bit windy, so I'll make a final decision in the morning.
Cheers,
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Older Exhaust |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi John,
The alloy flanges, and pop rivets were for a cabin heat system, to be cut
into the outer skin of the silencer, do not use them, you will get far too hot
[
to the point of being unbearable].
The ''goo'' is a jointing paste / release, I prefer to use ''Copperslip''
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
On a tangent to this discussion, my battery is in the back but I find I
have to trim nose down all the time. My indicator is always in the lower
third of it's range and sometimes right at the stop if fully loaded with
luggage. My empty c of g is 59.53 inches aft of datum. I wondered if
it is worth my while trying moving the battery forward? Anyone tried
this?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
For my Rotax 914 installation the battery is located just aft of the
baggage
bay bulkhead, starboard side. There were two reasons for selecting this
location - 1) Kim Prout, who knows a few things about the aircraft and
is my
EAA Technical Advisor, suggested this location because his first Europa
was
slightly nose heavy, and 2) the factory's wiring harness has the fat
wires
start at that location.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR (Bob)
Gowing
Subject: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
<gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
JR (Bob) Gowing wrote:
>
> Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about
> the battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their
> batteries please?
If a recombinant gas (RG, AGM) battery is used, besides being much
lighter, they require no sealed, vented compartment. Merely a solid
hold-down arrangement, so they don't come undone in severe turbulence,
etc., and short out, become disconnected, or crack open. They also
can make up for the starting punch lost in the long cable runs.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Yes that's how I arrived at the optimum position for the battery
together with the scientific method of course my empty APS weight is
58.23 so it sounds like yours is further aft before you start to load
anything. Its amazing what a difference moving the battery makes. Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
On a tangent to this discussion, my battery is in the back but I find I
have to trim nose down all the time. My indicator is always in the lower
third of it's range and sometimes right at the stop if fully loaded with
luggage. My empty c of g is 59.53 inches aft of datum. I wondered if
it is worth my while trying moving the battery forward? Anyone tried
this?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
For my Rotax 914 installation the battery is located just aft of the
baggage bay bulkhead, starboard side. There were two reasons for
selecting this location - 1) Kim Prout, who knows a few things about the
aircraft and is my EAA Technical Advisor, suggested this location
because his first Europa was slightly nose heavy, and 2) the factory's
wiring harness has the fat wires start at that location.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR (Bob)
Gowing
Subject: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
<gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs. do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Erich Trombley wrote:
> Fred, I have the same vintage aircraft and experienced a similar
> situation. Having trimmed the perspex many years ago to the
> proper fit and just recently bonding them in. My perspex had
> curled up, thus when I placed the perspex in the door frame it
> was short of the frame by 1/2 or more in some places from top
> to bottom. Sideways was pretty close. Not to worry though.
> Once I applied some pressure in the center of the perspex it
> flattened out and everything fit just has it had all those years
before.
Thanks for the input, Erich. On mine, one side (the older in Perspex
years) sits flush in the rebate all around, and the gap at the top is
a uniform 1/4" - 5/16", the full length. I don't see where pushing
can close the gap except at the center. I 'd prefer not to risk
bonding in stresses in the acrylic if, the rebate still has to be
modified anyway. One reason that crazing can eventually show up.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex!
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
|
| Ferg wrote :-
| > Mine were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
|
| Gee Ferg, you have been building a long time! Did you get the pre
| prototype kit ?
| In jest.| Kingsley
Not funny, KH:
I am married - I can say that while I still am. My bride of 43
years seems to want her guest room back - after 7 years and am still not
sanding stage yet. Oh me,
Ferg
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Richard,
We have found after about 30 weight and balances on Europas, if it is a 914,
the battery goes in the baggage compartment and if it is a 912S, the battery
goes on the firewall. The only thing that may change the cg is having an
S-tek pitch servo on the pitch tube along with a heavy gyro for HSI and
stormscope data box all mounted aft. The battery if a 914 may have to be
mounted on firewall. Knock on wood, we have never had a cg problem with any
Europas whether tri-gear or monowheel even with all the gadgets that are
must have these days.
Regards,
Bob Berube
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
On a tangent to this discussion, my battery is in the back but I find I
have to trim nose down all the time. My indicator is always in the lower
third of it's range and sometimes right at the stop if fully loaded with
luggage. My empty c of g is 59.53 inches aft of datum. I wondered if
it is worth my while trying moving the battery forward? Anyone tried
this?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
For my Rotax 914 installation the battery is located just aft of the
baggage
bay bulkhead, starboard side. There were two reasons for selecting this
location - 1) Kim Prout, who knows a few things about the aircraft and
is my
EAA Technical Advisor, suggested this location because his first Europa
was
slightly nose heavy, and 2) the factory's wiring harness has the fat
wires
start at that location.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR (Bob)
Gowing
Subject: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing"
<gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
please?
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz finalising flaps and thinking of
installing extended baggage bay moulding fitted with the ribs.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Graphics shop
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> Paul
> I used Callie at the following E-mail. Great Job and
> very reasonable. info@hobbies-n-stuff.com She's the
> graphics designer for hobbies n stuff in Albuquerque NM.
> Al Stills
> A095
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>914 Coolant Temp
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>Matt:
>
>I put a thermocouple to the outside of the little coolant expansion tank.
>A hoseclamp secures it there with a piece of high temp silicone foam. I
>haven't flown it yet but I got the idea from Dave Deford and Terry Seaver.
>They have been flying their plane for some time.
>
>Steve Hagar
Steve
the expansion tank won't give you any useful information. You need the
Skydrive or US equivalent coolant temp tee, into one of the hoses.
Graham
ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>| Has anyone encountered this? Maybe someone with a many-year old
>| Europa may have observed a once nice fit of the door is now no longer
>| a pretty fit? Reg, Fred F.
>
>Yeah, Mebbe, Fred,
> Am about to start shaving them to fit. What do you suggest I do?
>Should I allow exact fit and hope they don't buckle 'til they shrink? MIne
>were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
>Cheers, Ferg
Ferg
I managed to shrink some perspex, (plexiglas) but only be heating it to 150
deg. C. It went flat, more or less at that temperature. Since it already
had scribe marks on it that's how I knew it had shrunk. Scrapped it of
course. <:-<
Graham
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
>Ferg wrote :-
> > Mine were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
>
>Gee Ferg, you have been building a long time! Did you get the pre
>prototype kit ?
>In jest.
>Kingsley
No Kingsley
he has to wait for Jenny to go away for a few days so he can use the living
room?
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Graham
I find the water temp very useful. I know how close the thing is to boiling
over. You should like that information. I have no air in the bowl under
the "radiator cap" . My probe is low enough to always be in the water. This
is the hottest water in the system. Works for me !!!!!
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
>
> Steve
> the expansion tank won't give you any useful information. You need the
> Skydrive or US equivalent coolant temp tee, into one of the hoses.
> Graham
>
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| Subject: | Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Fred,
I too am just on the glass for the doors and the front. The person I bought
my kit from had adjusted the size some and as a result it was under in some
areas and over in others. It mostly fit fairly good. I the corners I filled
in with a little redux and will cover over with filler. On thing to think
about now before you install the panels is the depth of the glass after you
get the redux in. I did not take that into account and will have to do some
careful filing and sanding around the edges where it sits "proud". I was a
problem on the outside handle also, had to bend the handle out a little on
both ends to keep from scratching the glass.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex!
| At 23:56 24/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
| >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" | >Ferg wrote :-
| > > Mine were issued in 1979 - praps they've already done that?
| >
| >Gee Ferg, you have been building a long time! Did you get the pre
| >prototype kit ? >In jest. >Kingsley
| No Kingsley he has to wait for Jenny to go away for a few days so he can
use the living room? Graham
Graham/Kingsley:
You know, I always spoke well of you two.
Is this the motto: "If the truth hurts, whack him with it!"?
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Honey, I kid the shrinks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Hello,
I've been following the list on installing the perspex parts and
note the possible need to scarf down the window joggle to accomodate thicker
windows. If that proves to be my case, how does one thin down that flange? -
not with a router I hope.
Ferg
A064
top's on, can't find the door hinges (but they're safe).
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Graham:
I'm talking about the little tank on top with the radiator cap. I guess
that plastic thing on the fire wall is rightly the expansion tank.
Steve
> [Original Message]
> From: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/25/2004 3:31:35 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/24/04
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 24/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >914 Coolant Temp
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Matt:
> >
> >I put a thermocouple to the outside of the little coolant expansion tank.
> >A hoseclamp secures it there with a piece of high temp silicone foam. I
> >haven't flown it yet but I got the idea from Dave Deford and Terry
Seaver.
> >They have been flying their plane for some time.
> >
> >Steve Hagar
>
> Steve
> the expansion tank won't give you any useful information. You need the
> Skydrive or US equivalent coolant temp tee, into one of the hoses.
> Graham
>
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Honey, I kid the shrinks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
If you just put a 45 degree bevel all around the outside edge of the window
a small amount of superfill makes a good fillet transition all around. It
sure beats the amount of work and weakening involved in trying to get the
whole thing down flush.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: EUROPALIST <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/25/2004 7:20:35 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Honey, I kid the shrinks
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Hello,
> I've been following the list on installing the perspex parts and
> note the possible need to scarf down the window joggle to accomodate
thicker
> windows. If that proves to be my case, how does one thin down that
flange? -
> not with a router I hope.
> Ferg
> A064
> top's on, can't find the door hinges (but they're safe).
>
>
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| Subject: | Window and Windshield Value |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To those in the same boat,
Having received my Creditors Claim from Redman Nichols I was wondering what
other people that are still due their windshield and both windows are
requesting total amount of the claim including VAT? I would appreciate the windows
but
in the event of receiving financial remuneration, how much would it take to
buy them from the manufacturer?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Still just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do
before that.
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| Subject: | Re: Window and Windshield Value |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Mike
> in the event of receiving financial remuneration, how much would it take to
> buy them from the manufacturer?
I paid $770 for the 3 Perspex items in Light Smoke grey with the Port Side
having Air Vent Flap, all from LP Aero. With transport to UK it was $900.
That was 2 years ago.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Window and Windshield Value |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
I'm not positive, but I think they cost around $300.00
Roger
DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To those in the same boat,
Having received my Creditors Claim from Redman Nichols I was wondering what
other people that are still due their windshield and both windows are
requesting total amount of the claim including VAT? I would appreciate the windows
but
in the event of receiving financial remuneration, how much would it take to
buy them from the manufacturer?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Still just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do
before that.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>if it is a 912S, the battery
goes on the firewall.<
Every a/c will be different. My 912S is ideally balanced with an aft battery
mount. Best to leave the battery until everything else has been fitted and
then check the C of G before final placing.
Nigel Charles
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