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1. 12:51 AM - DOTH Eaglescott 26th (Paddy Clarke)
2. 01:52 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (David Joyce)
3. 02:27 AM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Richard Iddon)
4. 05:07 AM - Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! (Kingsley Hurst)
5. 05:58 AM - Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump ()
6. 07:08 AM - Window and Windshield Value (Fred R. Klein)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: Window and Windshield Value (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 08:11 AM - Heggemann muffler (John & Paddy Wigney)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump 3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name (Rob Housman)
10. 11:19 AM - Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump 3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name (Fred Fillinger)
11. 11:56 AM - Re: 912s oil consumption (David Buckley)
12. 12:43 PM - expansion tank (Graham Singleton)
13. 12:43 PM - Air box temp (Graham Singleton)
14. 12:44 PM - shrinking glass (Graham Singleton)
15. 12:55 PM - Re: Honey, I kid the shrinks (Fred Fillinger)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (David Joyce)
17. 02:02 PM - Fw: FW: Single Sky. All of GA to pay? (Rowland Carson)
18. 04:29 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear (Robert Berube)
19. 04:56 PM - Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump (Paul McAllister)
20. 05:22 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear - Fixing it down. (JR (Bob) Gowing)
21. 06:57 PM - Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump (Fred Fillinger)
22. 07:12 PM - Re: Battery Compartment in Rear - Fixing it down. (Fergus Kyle)
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| Subject: | DOTH Eaglescott 26th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Looks O.K. for Eaglescott, so I hope to be there lunchtime, Cheers
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob, A small Gas recombinant battery (17amphrs) fits beautifully against the
firewall above pax feet with minimal construction needed to restrain
adequately. I fitted mine there, prepared to relocate to underside of
baggage bay if C of G eventually required it, but pleased to say it didn't,
in spite of 914 & Kremen wobbly prop hanging on front end. Regards, David,
G-XSDJ-
---- Original Message -----
>
> Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
> battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
> please?
>
> J R (Bob) Gowing,
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
David,
Where did you get your battery from?
Regards.
Richard.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob, A small Gas recombinant battery (17amphrs) fits beautifully against
the
firewall above pax feet with minimal construction needed to restrain
adequately. I fitted mine there, prepared to relocate to underside of
baggage bay if C of G eventually required it, but pleased to say it
didn't,
in spite of 914 & Kremen wobbly prop hanging on front end. Regards,
David,
G-XSDJ-
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I Shrank the Perspex! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Ferg wrote:
> Not funny, KH:
> I am married . . . . . .
Ferg,
Since I had my kit over two years before starting my build and having now
been working at the task for over 5 years, 2900 hrs and STILL not finished,
rest assured I would the last person to be critical of anybody who takes a
long time.
What you obviously didn't pick up was that the posting was simply what I
hoped would be a jovial way to draw your attention to your typo where you
said your plexiglass was issued in 1979. I think you meant to say 1997 so I
hope you understand now cause I'm holding up a white flag.
In another posting, In respect of the sanding of the window flanges you
asked "how does one thin down that flange? "
All you have to do is remove the gel coat. If you are a masochist, use sand
paper but what I did was use a sanding disc (the flap type) in my angle
grinder and it made the job a breeze. Just go gently with it and you'll
have both windows done in 20 mins or less.
The sanding disc is a 'Josco Abrasive flap Disc for Angle Grinder' - Made
in England and should be available at any hardware store.
My apologies for not being more explicit in that posting Ferg.
Best regards
Kingsley
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump |
3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name
--> Europa-List message posted by: <Herbert.Habersatter@weiz.cc>
I have a Rotax 914 UL3 with a hydraulic governor which I need for my hydraulic
constant speed propeller and now I need an additional drive for the vacuum pump.
Theoretically there could be the possibility to use the belt drive for the
second alternator, but the cowling of my Europa XS is too small for it. Have one
of you any experiences, ideas or a solution to do it, maybe with a cardan drive
or a second shaft?
Thank you!!
Herbert Habersatter, Europa XS, Nr.: 415, OE-ACH
Herbert.Habersatter@weiz.cc
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| Subject: | Window and Windshield Value |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> To those in the same boat,
>
> Having received my Creditors Claim from Redman Nichols I was wondering what
> other people that are still due their windshield and both windows are
> requesting total amount of the claim including VAT? I would appreciate the
> windows but
> in the event of receiving financial remuneration, how much would it take to
> buy them from the manufacturer?
>
> Thanks in advance for any input.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Mike Duane A207
Mike,
John Hurst informs me that the Europa sticker price for the windows &
windshield is $560.00
Fred, a fellow-boater
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Window and Windshield Value |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I had put cost as "undetermined please see list" and attache the latest
backorder report from Europa which has a list of items that have not been shipped.
I also attached documentation < printed emails> made to Europa inquiring
about the parts.
Not sure if that will work or not. I guess I'm lucky because I'm only
missing doors and windows. I would think around $1000 US would get me out of
trouble. Hopefully!
Do not archive
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Heggemann muffler |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
>Time: 09:58:10 AM PST US
>From: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: Europa-List: Older Exhaust
>
>I have got round to fitting an early XS exhaust system, made by Heggemann, p/n
25-00200. Among the bag of bits with it are two aluminium flanges, such as you
might use to connect ducting, though the flanges on these are formed to a saddle
shape to fit against a cylindrical object. The manual is silent on the purpose
of these and the inventory doesn't help. Can anyone tell me what these are
for ? (Fabricating a hot air duct using the shroud round the silencer [muffler]
perhaps ? )
>
Hi John,
I have a Heggeman muffler on my 912S/ XS installation. I also received
the parts you describe including the cylindrical aluminium sleeve which
surrounds the muffler and is retained by 2 large hose clips. I did not
use the saddle flanges but I assume they were provided to permit a hot
air supply from the cylindrical sleeve. I removed my cylindrical sleeve
since it was making contact with the top surface of the cooling duct.
>Also in the bag are 8 all-metal stiffnuts (repalce the manifold stiffnuts supplied
with the engine ?), a few 'pop' rivets and a couple of sachets of what appears
to be an exhaust-temperature assembly paste (no English labelling). Is the
exhaust system itself supposed to be assembled dry ? John Cliff #0259
>
I used the stiffnuts, they seem to work fine. I have no idea what the
pop rivets are for. I use the paste to prevent fretting at the 4
spherical joints and on the sliding sleeve on one of the down pipes. A
little paste goes a long way. The quality of the Heggeman muffler
appears to be good, mine is trouble free after 330 hours. Only problem
is that it is quite large. I had to put 2 'bump-outs' into the lower
cowling to accomodate the bottom corners. I have also noticed that the
spring end loops are being cut into by the sharp corners on the
attachment lug holes, I recommend you smooth these.
Finally, to prevent direct heat soak from the muffler causing
deterioration of the rubber oil return hose at the engine sump, I
installed a heat shield between the muffler and the base of the engine.
Since I have Graham Singleton's firewall kit, I used the polished
stainless sheet provided in the factory kit - it works well.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville NC
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| Subject: | Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump |
3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will.
Corollary: At the most inopportune time.
Probably the best example of how Murphy's Law works is aircraft vacuum
pumps. These evil devices are guaranteed to fail, and they will fail at an
almost impossible to anticipate moment. Why install one at all when there
are much more reliable electric alternatives, especially when at least one
of these alternatives is actually less expensive than the cost of a vacuum
pump (not counting the cost of numerous replacements) and the associated
vacuum operated steam gauges? Hint: http://www.dynondevelopment.com/
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Herbert.Habersatter@weiz.cc
Subject: Europa-List: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump 3.6
ALT_MED Misspelled medication name
--> Europa-List message posted by: <Herbert.Habersatter@weiz.cc>
I have a Rotax 914 UL3 with a hydraulic governor which I need for my
hydraulic constant speed propeller and now I need an additional drive for
the vacuum pump. Theoretically there could be the possibility to use the
belt drive for the second alternator, but the cowling of my Europa XS is too
small for it. Have one of you any experiences, ideas or a solution to do it,
maybe with a cardan drive or a second shaft?
Thank you!!
Herbert Habersatter, Europa XS, Nr.: 415, OE-ACH
Herbert.Habersatter@weiz.cc
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| Subject: | Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump |
3.6 ALT_MED Misspelled medication name
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Rob Housman wrote:
> ...Why install one at all when there
> are much more reliable electric alternatives, especially when at
least one
> of these alternatives is actually less expensive than the cost of a
vacuum
> pump (not counting the cost of numerous replacements) and the
associated
> vacuum operated steam gauges? Hint:
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/
>
I know nothing of this box, nor others, but I'm sure one can look up
in all the product liability litigation as to the chances of pump or
gyro failure. But do any of these mfrs who sell for homebuilts only
provide such documentation too? I seem to recall one of the
companies actually tells you that, for IFR in actual IMC, you should
have mechanical backup. Really don't want to start a debate here, and
I favor electronic boxes, but tend to stay on the side of "reality
check."
My vacuum pump started showing clear signs of impending failure at
about 1,000 hours, which I think Airborne says is typical. The
replacement at 700 hours is going strong, but I'll agree that if I did
any "low IFR" anymore, replacement wouldn't be too dumb. Or a Dynon
backup? :-)
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | 912s oil consumption |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley" <davebuckley@zoom.co.uk>
The oil consumption on G-BVJN (912 ul) increased when I swapped from
Castrol GPS to shell VSX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Subject: Europa-List: 912s oil consumption
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Following the recommendations from Rotax, I have recently changed from
Castrol GTX magnatec to Shell VSX4 for my 912S. I seem to be consuming
more of this and getting more 'nicotine' stains down the exhaust side of
the fuselage. Engine has done 100 hours now and I seem to be consuming
around 1 to 2 litres of oil between 50 hours oil changes approx. Is
this normal?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Graham
>
>I find the water temp very useful. I know how close the thing is to boiling
>over. You should like that information. I have no air in the bowl under
>the "radiator cap" . My probe is low enough to always be in the water. This
>is the hottest water in the system. Works for me !!!!!
>
>Cliff Shaw
Cliff
I thought that was the "swirl pot". The expansion tank is the plastic one
that collects coolant extruded when the engine is hot, it then gets sucked
back in when it cools.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>My EIS 2000 has an unused AUX2 input. I was thinking that I could monitor
>Airbox temp on AUX2..
>Where would I find a probe for the airbox? There is a place ready for a
>connection
>on the airbox for a temp probe.
>
>Matt Carpenter
Matt,
Grand Rapids will sell you an OAT probe. That's what you need imho
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 25/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Graham/Kingsley:
> You know, I always spoke well of you two.
> Is this the motto: "If the truth hurts, whack him with it!"?
>Cheers, Ferg
I still speak well of you!
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Honey, I kid the shrinks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Hello,
> I've been following the list on installing the perspex parts and
> note the possible need to scarf down the window joggle to
> accomodate thicker windows. If that proves to be my case, how
> does one thin down that flange? - not with a router I hope.
> Ferg
>
I used a Dremel tool with the 1/2" sanding drum, to remove the
gelcoat. They have a new cordless, variable speed model, with
lithium battery. Seems so far to be of excellent design.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, The battery is an Odyssey from Hawker Energy, which I think are
available quite widely, although mine came from Groves in Cheltenham (tel
01242 514940). Moving 13 lbs 50 ins would shift my CoG about 0.76 ins. I
reckon 59 ins is a pretty good CoG posn to aim for as it allows you to fly
with either 120 pax + full fuel +80lbs luggage ( CoG posn 62.48") or
alternatively with 400lbs pax and no fuel or luggage (CoG posn 58.01") It
has to be said that in the latter state you don't fly very far! Minor
adjustment of CoG posn can be made by bolting a pound or two of lead to the
front face of the stern post, with 1lb = 0.168" for my APS wt of 839lbs
Regards, David G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
>
> David,
>
> Where did you get your battery from?
>
> Regards.
>
> Richard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Bob, A small Gas recombinant battery (17amphrs) fits beautifully against
> the
> firewall above pax feet with minimal construction needed to restrain
> adequately. I fitted mine there, prepared to relocate to underside of
> baggage bay if C of G eventually required it, but pleased to say it
> didn't,
> in spite of 914 & Kremen wobbly prop hanging on front end. Regards,
> David,
> G-XSDJ-
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: FW: Single Sky. All of GA to pay? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Folks - please note the following forwarded message:
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: "'Europa Club Membership Secretary'" <europa-club@rowil.clara.net>
>Subject: FW: Single Sky. All of GA to pay?
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:52:33 +0100
>
>
>Hello Rowland
>
>I know you have mentioned this on the forum, but I would appreciate it
>if you could publish this in its entirety so that we can all respond. I
>don't know how to put documents on the forum so I hope you can do it for
>me. I heard one comment about should charity balloons also pay this
>ludicrous charge also..!
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan Burrows
>
>
>> >
>> > At a recent meeting the UK Department for Trade (DfT) revealed that
>> > under The European Single Skies Policy to which the UK signed up
>> > earlier this year, it has been decided that in future all aircraft,
>> > regardless of whether they are IFR or VFR, and with no minimum
>> > weight cut off, should be required to pay for use of 'services'
>> > provided, such as air traffic control, NOTAMS and weather
>> > information, search and rescue and so on, whether directly or
>> > indirectly used. The main criterion for charging is that the
>> > aircraft should land somewhere other than its take off point. No
>> > exemptions are offered in the draft proposals even for gliders,
>> > microlights or balloons. The proposals seem to have been drafted
>> > without any thought of their impact on General Aviation (GA) and are
>
>> > directed mostly at getting short haul airline flights to pay more
>> > and long haul overflying flights to pay less.
>> >
>> > Costs are to be apportioned on a total, not marginal, cost basis so
>> > that VFR aircraft will, for example, bear the cost of a VOR if it
>> > provides a service in uncontrolled airspace. This will be regardless
>
>> > of whether the aircraft actually uses the VOR.
>> >
>> > Nothing in the draft proposals suggests that even a light aircraft
>> > flying non radio, from one private strip in uncontrolled airspace to
>
>> > another will escape being charged. The proposals apply to all civil
>> > air traffic and General Aviation (GA) is not mentioned. It will,
>> > apparently, be up to the governments of individual states to decide
>> > how the payments are levied. Details may be found at
>> > http://www.eurocontrol.int/enprm/
>> >
>> > DfT is said to be sympathetic to the plight of GA and wants to
>> > exclude us as per the current airways charges exemptions but the
>> > regulations do not permit that unless the Government pays the costs
>> > thereof to the Air Navigation Service Providers - and it won't.
>> >
>> > Eurocontrol has been charged with undertaking a consultation on how
>> > the charges are to be made and has given European aviation until 17
>> > September to make representations. Not only has Eurocontrol imposed
>> > this outrageously short deadline, but it has also declined to
>> > recognise any representation unless it is made on its official form,
>
>> > a copy of which is attached. > I don't think that I need spell out
>> > what this proposal could do to European GA and I hope that you will
>> > feel moved to do what you can to argue for the retention of the
>> > current exemption for all VFR aircraft and for IFR aircraft below
>> > the minimum weight for incurring Eurocontrol En Route charges. If
>> > you are willing to join in, I ask that you now undertake two
>> > tasks:
>> >
>> > 1. Complete and return the attached form to Eurocontrol by e mail,
>> > post or fax, as shown on the form. You may like to consult whatever
>> > aviation body you belong to as to the detail of your objections and
>> > they may have already formulated some points that they are making in
>
>> > their own representations. I have set out on an attached sheet three
>
>> > fundamental points that I regard as being central to the issue. The
>> > list, however, is neither exhaustive nor authoritative: it should
>> > not be copied out word for word or it is likely to be dismissed as a
>
>> > mere duplicate. Set out your objections, remembering all the time,
>> > that it is more important to get some sort of objection properly
>> > registered than to spend days polishing up your irrefutable
>> > arguments and then failing to get the form back in time. If you can
>> > also find the time to copy your objections to your MEPs and MP, so
>> > much the better.
>> >
>> > 2. Contact as many GA colleagues as possible, by e mail, or
>> > however. Send them a copy of the form and ask them to object and to
>> > distribute the form and a similar request to all of their contacts.
>> > An avalanche of objections from all over Europe would give
>> > Eurocontrol a lot to think about.
>> >
>> > Please remember that time is desperately short and immediate action
>> > is needed.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Nigel Everett
>> >
>>
>
>Attachment converted: PowerBook HD:Sgle sky response form.doc
>(WDBN/MSWD) (00112B09)
>
The text of the above-cited attachment (ie Nigel Everett's response) is:
>SOME COMMENTS, REASONS AND PROPOSALS REGARDING EUROCONTROL'S DRAFT
>IMPLEMENTING RULES ON A COMMON CHARGING SCHEME FOR NAVIGATION
>SERVICES.
>
>
>The Recitals (Numbered 1 to 14), first comment
>
>COMMENT
>Nowhere is General Aviation (GA) even mentioned in the recitals.
>
>REASONS
>GA represents some six times as many registered aircraft in Europe
>as does Civil Air Traffic (CAT) and yet its very existence is
>apparently to be ignored in the reasoning behind these deliberations.
>
>PROPOSED CHANGE
>Add Recital No 15 as follows:
>
>(15) General Aviation (GA) provides a vital economic and leisure
>contribution to European life, facilitating transport of individual
>business people, training of future airline pilots, small air taxi
>services, medical evacuation, surveillance operations, sporting
>opportunities and a host of similar advantages. GA mostly uses
>Avgas, rather than Jet fuel and as such it already makes a
>substantial contribution in the taxes payable upon Avgas that Civil
>Air Transport (CAT) mostly does not. GA's importance and its special
>tax contribution are acknowledged and Charges shall not be imposed
>upon GA that present more of a burden than it already carries.
>
>
>The Recitals (Numbered 1 to 14), second comment
>
>COMMENT
>No mention is made of the exemptions from Eurocontrol charges
>currently enjoyed by GA, namely the exemption of VFR flights and the
>exemption of all aircraft of less than 2 tonnes MTOW.
>
>REASONS
>There are very good reasons for the perpetuation of these exemptions:
>
>1. The GA industry would be unable to bear the cost of the proposed
>charges and would therefore decline, to the substantial disadvantage
>of European economy and social life and the loss of human rights.
>
>2. Either a blanket per aircraft or per aviator charge would have to
>be imposed for reasons of bureaucratic simplicity or a charging
>system based upon distance and weight for each journey flown would
>prove to be more expensive to calculate and to collect than the
>revenue that it produced. The former option is manifestly unfair and
>thus a breach of human rights and the latter is absurd.
>
>PROPOSED CHANGE
> Add Recital No 16, as follows:
>
>(16) It is acknowledged that exemptions for VFR flights and for all
>flights of aircraft of less than 2 tonnes MTOW have hitherto been
>granted from Eurocontrol's charges for good and practical reasons.
>These exemptions shall continue.
>
>Article 3
>
>COMMENT
>
>No exemption is shown for VFR flights and for light aircraft.
>
>REASONS
>
>The existing exemptions within the current Eurocontrol charging
>system should continue.
>
>PROPOSAL
>
>Add clause no 11, as follows:
>
>11. All VFR flights and flights by aircraft of less than 2 tonnes
>MTOW are to continue to be exempt from all Charges.
My reading of the comments form is that it must be submitted by
organisations. So, I guess it's more likely to be read and taken
seriously if you submit it as a representative for (eg) your local
flying club, your own business (if aviation-related), etc, etc.
You can find other useful responses on the pfa website
<http://www.pfa.org.uk> - there is a link on the opening page to
Graham Newby's responses to 2 of the items.
Also note that if you can't work out how to download the document I
put up on Steve & Jos's EuropaForum bulletin board, it's available
from the horse's mouth at <http://www.eurocontrol.int/enprm>.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Battery Compartment in Rear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
David,
Anytime you can fit the battery on the firewall it's the best. We use the
same type battery by Hawker called the Odessey. Access to important areas
is a big concern of mine, we will always try to put the battery on the
firewall. Were all a bit lazy and if accessibility is difficult it may get
overlooked. The Europa is not an access friendly aircraft. Here we are
fortunate that we can make better access to certain areas without having to
justify to a higher authority. Obviously we do not make foolish changes and
all are perhaps overly reinforced.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery Compartment in Rear
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob, A small Gas recombinant battery (17amphrs) fits beautifully against the
firewall above pax feet with minimal construction needed to restrain
adequately. I fitted mine there, prepared to relocate to underside of
baggage bay if C of G eventually required it, but pleased to say it didn't,
in spite of 914 & Kremen wobbly prop hanging on front end. Regards, David,
G-XSDJ-
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>
> Among the jobs to do before putting the top on you might think about the
> battery compartment - what are builders doing to house their batteries
> please?
>
> J R (Bob) Gowing,
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| Subject: | Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Rob,
I have a "standard six pack" with a vacuum pump and the reason I did this
was because I am uncertain if I have the liberty of using uncertified
equipment when flying IFR. I know that I have a lot of freedom in what I
can do an experimental aircraft, however I am unsure if that freedom exists
once I fly IFR within the system.
Perhaps someone can offer an opinion.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear - Fixing it down. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Dear Alan, Richard, Fred and Bob B,
The remarks have been useful and I thank you all.
What you have pointed out is that I am a bit ahead of myself - it is a job I
need to leave until dealing with C of G!
But with a rear C of G it seems to me Richard might fly fast but I would not
like to have to use every bit of trim leaving no room for error in loading
fully. I am no expert but would be considering moving the battery. And
Fred's RG Battery I have noted for later. Bob's general remarks are
reassuring.
So you have put me int the right direction. Thank you all.
But I did not ask the right question; I was thinking that it would be easier
to fix the holder into place while the lower fuselage sat in Chuckpop's
cradle and before I bonded in the extended baggage bay.
What I was interested in at the time and still need to find out, I hate to
admit, was the detail of housing the battery and holding it still, something
that we who are still building, will all have to face sometime.
Thank you all and good wishes from
JR (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit No 327 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Additional mechanical drive for the vacuum pump |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> I have a "standard six pack" with a vacuum pump and the reason I did
this
> was because I am uncertain if I have the liberty of using
uncertified
> equipment when flying IFR. I know that I have a lot of freedom in
what I
> can do an experimental aircraft, however I am unsure if that freedom
exists
> once I fly IFR within the system.
>
> Perhaps someone can offer an opinion.
>
> Paul
>
I believe you are correct, Paul. The Part 91 rules list the familiar
bunch of stuff needed for IFR, or "FAA-approved equivalents." So,
seems a nonapproved EFIS won't be IFR legal in a homebuilt. It's
sort-of moot anyway even for the production mfrs like Cirrus. An
advisory circular -- and to oversimplify a bit -- offers them a choice
of proving the unprovable, namely >100,000/1 chance of a fatal
accident. Or prove only that the EFIS works nice (a "qualitative
assessment") if there's redundancy, such as also a mechanical
artificial horizon and certain other stuff. I don't think the mfrs
are bothered by this, because product liability issues alone would
dictate that redundancy be provided.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Compartment in Rear - Fixing it down. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Bob,
I am having the same consideration to deal with. I planned to lay
one front battery on its side and the best device I've yet seen was a three
inch wide strap of 1/8inch alu plate hinged at the 'bottom', up over and
across, and down the front to a bolt for clamping, with two
one-inch-per-side angle alus to hold each end in place. rawing on request.
For a battery at the back I made a 3x6.75x7.125inch block of foam and boxed
in the bottom half with four layers of BiD, so I could position it wherever.
Dimensions from the battery page
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-RD1217P.pdf
http://www.hepi.com
http://www.concordebattery.com
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/chem/seal/index.html
http://www.mywebplace.com/yuasaspec.html
http://www.sbw.org/batcap
http://www.batteryweb.com/optima.cfm
http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonicx12vsla.cfm
http://www.4unique.com/battery/battery tutorial.htm
http://www.4unique.com/battery/batteries.htm
Take your pick.
Cheers, Ferg
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