---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/30/04: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham (Richard Iddon) 2. 01:09 AM - ampreg (de Geus) 3. 07:04 AM - Re: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham (Fergus Kyle) 4. 08:04 AM - Rotax 914 Question and other information (Carpenter, Matt) 5. 09:03 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Question and other information (Gilles Thesee) 6. 11:06 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Question and other information (Carpenter, Matt) 7. 11:10 AM - Re: ampreg (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com) 8. 11:32 AM - Re: Rotax 914 Question and other information (Mark Burton) 9. 12:01 PM - Old Buckenham Wed Hat Thing (bryan allsop) 10. 12:01 PM - Re: Rotax 914 Question and other information (Carpenter, Matt) 11. 12:24 PM - Door Fitting (Al Stills) 12. 12:58 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Terry Seaver) 13. 01:05 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Rocketman) 14. 01:14 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Richard Iddon) 15. 04:16 PM - Re: Rotax 914 Question and other information (Tony Krzyzewski) 16. 05:05 PM - Re: Mono wheel brakes (Jim Brown) 17. 05:41 PM - Re: Mono wheel brakes (Paul McAllister) 18. 05:47 PM - Re: (David Buckley) 19. 05:47 PM - Europe Trigear share at White Waltham, London (David Buckley) 20. 06:50 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Steve Hagar) 21. 09:32 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Fred Fillinger) 22. 11:51 PM - Re: Door Fitting (Mike Parkin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:25 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" I subscribed to Pilot about 6 weeks ago but have still not got my magazine / freebies. (I have got the watch however!). There was a freebie in Flyer for Old Buckenham for August. Hope to make it and will bring that voucher along to see if I can stretch a point. I may have to sit at the opposite end of the clubhouse to you though Bryan, not sure about the thought of appearing 'sensuous' to you. Cheers. Richard Iddon G-RIXS Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop Subject: Europa-List: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" Hi Y'all Having been grounded for a week due my mother-in law's 80th birthday (I was caught in the turbulence as she waddled past at nearly 3 knots), I am in desperate need of some therapeutic flying. Indeed, the very thought of encountering other men with their flying machines seems almost sensuous. Cheers. Bryan G BYSA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:25 AM PST US From: "de Geus" Subject: Europa-List: ampreg --> Europa-List message posted by: "de Geus" Hello I am building an europa xs I really enjoy it, I started in 1998 and I am getting close to painting and install the engine. Does anyone knows a good adress to order ampreg and araldite 420? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:12 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Richard, Seeing you reticence, I suggest you wean him off yourself and point him toward me. I am several thousand miles away and will have at least seven hours' warning.. Cheers, Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" | | I subscribed to Pilot about 6 weeks ago but have still not got my | magazine / freebies. (I have got the watch however!). There was a | freebie in Flyer for Old Buckenham for August. Hope to make it and will | bring that voucher along to see if I can stretch a point. I may have to | sit at the opposite end of the clubhouse to you though Bryan, not sure | about the thought of appearing 'sensuous' to you. | | Cheers. | | Richard Iddon G-RIXS | | Do not archive | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan | allsop | To: europa club mail | Subject: Europa-List: Mid week Hat Drop, Old Buckenham | | --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" | | | Hi Y'all | | Having been grounded for a week due my mother-in law's 80th birthday (I | was caught in the turbulence as she waddled past at nearly 3 knots), I | am in desperate need of some therapeutic flying. Indeed, the very | thought of encountering other men with their flying machines seems | almost sensuous. | | Cheers. Bryan G BYSA | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:50 AM PST US From: "Carpenter, Matt" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" We have owned/flown our A138 for almost 1 year. This entire time I knew that something was not right about the engine.. not enough power! Sure we had no problem taking off, we had no problem going places, but we had a problem getting over 8000 AGL and not losing most of our MP! The problem has been solved!! well.. most of them anyway The rubber flanges (correct?) connecting the airbox to the Carbs was loose. So lose in fact I was able to pull them apart. The next day (Last Saturday) we finished up on our Oil Mod (lowering down), then creating a baffle between the oil and water cooler! Thanks to all the great help/web sites on this info! The oil temps are running around 220 and CHT at 250 in climb with OAT of 82F. I also changed the bottom cowling.. I added some fiberglass to help smooth the airflow. This all worked great!! We took the plane up for the first time after all our mods, as we advanced the throttle, we shot past 39, and hit 50 MP for a few seconds. I pulled power and we stopped to figure out why we had SO much MP now.. well the turbo was working.. and it had never worked before! We then took off, keeping 39MP, then few around a bit at 35MP.. wow what a difference it made. In the past we never got past 34MP. Now for the question.. Our throttle has always gone to the floor to get 34MP, we its only half way. Is this correct? I have tried to connect the TCU up to my laptop with no success. I have engine serial #4425662, and that should work with out a dongle. I plan on making some humps for 100% and 115% on the throttle. Also, we I keep pushing the throttle, it will go way over boost. In fact the 50"MP is with the throttle at the 3/4 way to the full stop. Is the wastgate not working? I can see it move when the TCU first comes on. One other thing. We flew around for about 20 mins, at 5400RPM, 35"MP.. the WARN light begin to flash. When we pulled power back to around 31-32"MP, the light would stop. Okay, the manual says I can run at 35"MP and 5400RPM all the time. Any ideas on that? Thanks! Matt Carpenter A138 Amarillo, Texas ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:41 AM PST US From: "Gilles Thesee" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" Matt, > I plan on making some humps for 100% and 115% on the throttle. Also, we I > keep pushing the throttle, it will go way over boost. In fact the 50"MP is > with the throttle at the 3/4 way to the full stop. Is the wastgate not > working? I can see it move when the TCU first comes on. > The wastegate sometimes gets stuck. You can check it's free movement during the TCU self test on power on. > One other thing. We flew around for about 20 mins, at 5400RPM, 35"MP.. the > WARN light begin to flash. When we pulled > power back to around 31-32"MP, the light would stop. Okay, the manual says > I can run at 35"MP and 5400RPM all the time. > Any ideas on that? Are you sure of your MP gauge and tachometer calibration ? Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:38 AM PST US From: "Carpenter, Matt" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" No idea if the MP and tech are calibrated at this time. That is something that I am going to look into this week. We assumed they were done correctly, but have no idea really. mattc -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" Matt, > I plan on making some humps for 100% and 115% on the throttle. Also, we I > keep pushing the throttle, it will go way over boost. In fact the 50"MP is > with the throttle at the 3/4 way to the full stop. Is the wastgate not > working? I can see it move when the TCU first comes on. > The wastegate sometimes gets stuck. You can check it's free movement during the TCU self test on power on. > One other thing. We flew around for about 20 mins, at 5400RPM, 35"MP.. the > WARN light begin to flash. When we pulled > power back to around 31-32"MP, the light would stop. Okay, the manual says > I can run at 35"MP and 5400RPM all the time. > Any ideas on that? Are you sure of your MP gauge and tachometer calibration ? Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:28 AM PST US From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: ampreg --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 30/08/04 09:10:43 GMT Standard Time, kl.degeus@quicknet.nl writes: > I am building an europa xs I really enjoy it, I started in 1998 and I am > getting close to painting and install the engine. Does anyone knows a good > adress to order ampreg and araldite 420? > I doubt that you can buy these products in Holland, but you can order them from the UK. Ampreg is supplied by Blakes Paints, telephone 44-1633-833600, fax 44-1633-489489 Araldite is supplied by Aeropia Ltd, telephone 44-1293-459500, fax 44-1293-459600 Regards John Heykoop XS Monowheel G-JHKP, working on the wing to fuselage assembly ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information From: Mark Burton --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton Hi, > Are you sure of your MP gauge and tachometer calibration ? I don't know anything about 914s but I do know that the standard Rotax analog tachos are notoriously inaccurate. They often misread by more than 400 RPM. A person I know (who shall remain nameless) who has a 912S discovered that their Rotax tacho was under-reading by 600RPM! Says something about the durability of Rotax engines!!! Blatant plug: If you buy a Smart Avionics constant speed controller (www.smartavionics.com), you get an accurate digital tacho with percentage power display that will work just dandy with a 914. It takes the same amount of panel space as the Rotax bogo-tachometer. Regards, Mark ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:17 PM PST US From: "bryan allsop" Subject: Europa-List: Old Buckenham Wed Hat Thing --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" Hi All Be careful what you Hat Droppers say on this list. It seems that we have foreigners eaves dropping on our mail, some even thousands of miles away. The British weather is still looking good for Wednesday, making it a record two consecutive good days, so it is a positive gig. See you there around mid-day. Cheers! Bryan G-BYSA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:53 PM PST US From: "Carpenter, Matt" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" I have a Grand Rapids EIS 2000 for RPM, MP, and all Temps.. It has worked great.. now the question is.. is it reading it correctly? I need to get the TCU software working so that I can compare readings. Matt Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Burton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information --> Europa-List message posted by: Mark Burton Hi, > Are you sure of your MP gauge and tachometer calibration ? I don't know anything about 914s but I do know that the standard Rotax analog tachos are notoriously inaccurate. They often misread by more than 400 RPM. A person I know (who shall remain nameless) who has a 912S discovered that their Rotax tacho was under-reading by 600RPM! Says something about the durability of Rotax engines!!! Blatant plug: If you buy a Smart Avionics constant speed controller (www.smartavionics.com), you get an accurate digital tacho with percentage power display that will work just dandy with a 914. It takes the same amount of panel space as the Rotax bogo-tachometer. Regards, Mark ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:48 PM PST US From: "Al Stills" Subject: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" The doors are in and the glass is fitted. Amazing how a little job like that changes the looks and quickens the blood to finish. A question for those who have finished. What have you done to cover the look of the Redux behind the glass. Doesn't look the greatest . Maybe some kind of tape or fill over and paint. Al Stills A095 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:58 PM PST US From: Terry Seaver Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver You need to carry the paint onto the plexiglass, a little past where the fiber glass structure (and redux) end. This is to protect the structure and redux from UV damage. regards, Terry Seaver A135 Al Stills wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" > >The doors are in and the glass is fitted. Amazing how a >little job like that changes the looks and quickens the >blood to finish. A question for those who have finished. >What have you done to cover the look of the Redux behind >the glass. Doesn't look the greatest . Maybe some kind >of tape or fill over and paint. >Al Stills >A095 > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:46 PM PST US From: Rocketman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman Al Stills wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" > >The doors are in and the glass is fitted. Amazing how a >little job like that changes the looks and quickens the >blood to finish. A question for those who have finished. >What have you done to cover the look of the Redux behind >the glass. Doesn't look the greatest . Maybe some kind >of tape or fill over and paint. >Al Stills >A095 > > > > Fill the edges smooth and paint far enough up on the plastic to hide the redux... -- Jeff - A055 Wings set... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:44 PM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" Al, Fill any gaps then mask up to the line of the door frame inside the glass and paint over the half inch or so of glass as you paint the doors to cover the area where you can see the redux. But make sure you lightly abrade the edge of the glass you are going to paint over to provide a 'key' then clean it off thoroughly. I don't think I cleaned mine off well enough as my paint is peeling up from a few places around the edge where I painted over the glass. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Stills Subject: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" The doors are in and the glass is fitted. Amazing how a little job like that changes the looks and quickens the blood to finish. A question for those who have finished. What have you done to cover the look of the Redux behind the glass. Doesn't look the greatest . Maybe some kind of tape or fill over and paint. Al Stills A095 == == == == ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 Question and other information From: "Tony Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> A person I know (who shall remain nameless) who has a 912S discovered that their Rotax tacho was under-reading by 600RPM! Says something about the durability of Rotax engines!!! I'd second that recommendation to check the Rotax tacho. We had one owner here who, as it turned out, had been overrevving his 914 by 1200+ RPM for eighteen months due to a miscalibrated tacho. If he had EGT gauges he would have realised earlier that his engine was being fried but the plane had been build with the minimum of engine instrumentation. When we stripped the engine down it was a far from pretty sight inside with valve burn, annealed pistons and an extremely soft cylinder head. With a few 1000 dollars thrown into replacement parts the engine performed like new when I test flew it and it's been behaving well ever since. Tony ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:40 PM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono wheel brakes --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown Paul, Paul I am almost certain they are Clevelands. Aircraft Spruce has complete listing of brakes, seals and parts. Jim Brown Paul McAllister wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Hi all, > > I went out to the hanger today to find that my brake caliper has leaked all of its vital fluids onto the floor. I am assuming that I will have to hone the cylinder, clean the pads and replace the rubber seals. Having never done this before I'd appreciate some advise. In particular can anyone tell me what type of seals are in the mono wheel cylinder and where I can purchase them from. > > Thanks and regards. > > Paul > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:41 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono wheel brakes --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Jim, What type of brake fluid are you using. I am using the silicone brake fluid based on John Hurst's recommendation and now I am wondering if it might have been incompatible. Paul ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:16 PM PST US From: "David Buckley" Subject: Europa-List: RE: --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley" I can confirm you can start a 912 by hand. I have done so - by accident ! Scenario: Europa undergoing maintenance, dashboard removed, hence ignition not earthed. We were performing a compression check with a compression pressure gauge (as opposed to a leakdown test) My engineer friend volunteered me to turn the prop saying "the ignition unit shouldn't generate a spark until 200 rpm is reached". Boy was I glad I treated the engine as live !!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Subject: --> Europa-List message posted by: From: "Houlihan,Tim" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery position ">Is an external power source point worth having?< If you don't an engine start with a flat aircraft battery will not be possible as you cannot hand crank a Rotax." Over the past three months I have spoken to two pilots who have hand started their 912 equipped aircraft. I truly believe both of them. One of them found that the rising tide was a great incentive !! He landed on a beach to assist another microlight. When he came to restart the engine the battery was flat and the waves were only a few metres away. So he hand started it and saved the day ! He tells me he had done this previously and was surprised when I told it could not be done !!! Tim Houlihan == == == == ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:16 PM PST US From: "David Buckley" Subject: Europa-List: Europe Trigear share at White Waltham, London --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Buckley" 1/5 share available in our Rotax 912 powered Tri-gear Classic Europa. We have been operating this aircraft since 1999, when we converted it from a mono undercarriage. Annual to May 2005. It has always been hangared, and is equipped as follows: Hoffman C/S hydraulic prop, A/H. Turn and Slip, vertical card compass, standby compass, Garmin 196 GPS, Microair 760 channel VHF Com, Terra Mode a/c transponder. Pitot operated hobbs meter (airborne time) Extended baggage bay, 1370 lb weight mod. Speed kit. The group has a healthy engine fund (Circa GBP 4000) Share GBP 6950, Monthly GBP 84.00 Airborne hourly wet rate GBP 25.00 Please e-mail or call for further details Regards Dave Buckley davebuckley@zoom.co.uk Tel: 07970 409205 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:28 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Al: The guys at Phoenix Composits and others including myself have taken 2 layers of very light bid about 3/4" wide and have covered the entire perimeter interface between the door and plexiglass. The PC guys have noted that after the aircraft has been painted and over time a small crack in the paint along this interface occurs almost without fail. With all the planes they have done they say that this is the hot setup. Steve A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: Al Stills > To: > Date: 8/30/2004 12:24:20 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Door Fitting > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" > > The doors are in and the glass is fitted. Amazing how a > little job like that changes the looks and quickens the > blood to finish. A question for those who have finished. > What have you done to cover the look of the Redux behind > the glass. Doesn't look the greatest . Maybe some kind > of tape or fill over and paint. > Al Stills > A095 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:02 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > The guys at Phoenix Composits and others including myself have taken 2 > layers of very light bid about 3/4" wide and have covered the entire > perimeter interface between the door and plexiglass. The PC guys have > noted that after the aircraft has been painted and over time a small crack > in the paint along this interface occurs almost without fail. With all the > planes they have done they say that this is the hot setup. > > Steve I was planning, since gelcoat down to sort of black has been removed, to add a few drops of black epoxy tint to the Redux. Brush on a thin skim coat in the rebate, and then fully bond with tinted Redux few hours later. The resulting black border solves the paint border/filler cracking problem, and a similar technique looks really good on Grumman AA-x series aircraft, where they attach the windshield to a metal bow. You paint the bow black; paint the plexiglass inside border black; then affix with black RTV. I can't get to it for a while, with some corporate tax clients due 9/15. But if anyone wants to try it first, I won't mind the feedback! :-) Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:50 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" This sounds like a really bad idea. Black and composites do not mix!!! I think your transparencies are likely to pop out as the redux turns to soft putty on a warm summers day. regards, MP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > > > The guys at Phoenix Composits and others including myself have taken > 2 > > layers of very light bid about 3/4" wide and have covered the entire > > perimeter interface between the door and plexiglass. The PC guys > have > > noted that after the aircraft has been painted and over time a small > crack > > in the paint along this interface occurs almost without fail. With > all the > > planes they have done they say that this is the hot setup. > > > > Steve > > I was planning, since gelcoat down to sort of black has been removed, > to add a few drops of black epoxy tint to the Redux. Brush on a thin > skim coat in the rebate, and then fully bond with tinted Redux few > hours later. The resulting black border solves the paint > border/filler cracking problem, and a similar technique looks really > good on Grumman AA-x series aircraft, where they attach the windshield > to a metal bow. You paint the bow black; paint the plexiglass inside > border black; then affix with black RTV. I can't get to it for a > while, with some corporate tax clients due 9/15. But if anyone wants > to try it first, I won't mind the feedback! :-) > > Reg, > Fred F. > >