---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/01/04: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:43 AM - Re: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM (Alan Burrows) 2. 01:44 AM - Re: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM (R.C.Harrison) 3. 02:06 AM - Re: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM (R.C.Harrison) 4. 02:35 AM - Re: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM (Alan Burrows) 5. 04:40 AM - Avionics Suggetstion for Car and Aircraft (Steve & Eileen Genotte) 6. 06:29 AM - Motorglider wings--HELP! (Rob Huntington) 7. 07:19 AM - Re: Door Fitting (Fred Fillinger) 8. 07:22 AM - Re: ampreg (de Geus) 9. 11:01 AM - Re: Motorglider wings--HELP! (Alan Burrows) 10. 11:27 AM - Re: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM (David Joyce) 11. 11:31 AM - Re: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers (bryan allsop) 12. 02:07 PM - Re: Motorglider wings--HELP! (ACJARVIS1@aol.com) 13. 03:18 PM - Motor glider wings (Lmorgan822@aol.com) 14. 03:49 PM - Re: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers (Kingsley Hurst) 15. 03:51 PM - Re: Motorglider wings--HELP! () 16. 11:43 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:03 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" What a great idea any bacon butty's available?...Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Subject: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" --> I'm afraid I won't be able to make it to Old Buckenham DOTH today, but I would like to propose a mass fly-in to Turweston on Saturday for the AGM. Considering current events, I think this will be a most important AGM and it would be good if the Europa Club is well represented. Best wishes, William PS Don't forget to vote for David, Jeremy and Alan. W == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:51 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! All. Sorry I can't come out to play today .....doing a long overdue service since I can make use of the good weather outside! Better be flying actually. Presently stuck for a high temp. "O" Ring for my oil cooler diverter valve. regards Bob Harrison. (with withdrawal symptoms already !) G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mills" Subject: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > I'm afraid I won't be able to make it to Old Buckenham DOTH today, but I would like to propose a mass fly-in to Turweston on Saturday for the AGM. Considering current events, I think this will be a most important AGM and it would be good if the Europa Club is well represented. > Best wishes, > William > PS Don't forget to vote for David, Jeremy and Alan. W > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:33 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Alan. Yes there's quite a good cafe facility there although I don't know how it performs under pressure! regards Bob Harrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > What a great idea any bacon butty's available?...Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William > Mills > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > --> > > I'm afraid I won't be able to make it to Old Buckenham DOTH today, but I > would like to propose a mass fly-in to Turweston on Saturday for the > AGM. Considering current events, I think this will be a most important > AGM and it would be good if the Europa Club is well represented. Best > wishes, William PS Don't forget to vote for David, Jeremy and Alan. W > > > == > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:52 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Thanks Bob I will try to make it provided there's not too much "scud running" as I seem to be doing nothing but that these days. "God bless the great British Summer" the guys in the U.S. don't know what joys they are missing :-)...Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan. Yes there's quite a good cafe facility there although I don't know how it performs under pressure! regards Bob Harrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > What a great idea any bacon butty's available?...Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William > Mills > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > --> > > I'm afraid I won't be able to make it to Old Buckenham DOTH today, but > I would like to propose a mass fly-in to Turweston on Saturday for the > AGM. Considering current events, I think this will be a most > important AGM and it would be good if the Europa Club is well > represented. Best wishes, William PS Don't forget to vote for David, > Jeremy and Alan. W > > > == > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > == > == > == > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:04 AM PST US From: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Subject: Europa-List: Avionics Suggetstion for Car and Aircraft --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" How about a Sirius satellite radio receiver for U.S. flyers? You take it out of your car and plonk it into the airplane - Voila! - beautiful music, sports, news, etc., without the hassle of commercials, loss of signal as you move from area to area; plus they are *very* light-weight. Think about it. El Roto ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:14 AM PST US From: Rob Huntington Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! --> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington Hello everyone, We are in the process of building motor glider wings for a customer and have discovered that we were shipped duplicate sets of parts for the port wing without the correct parts for a starboard wing. Specifically, the "c" spar, outer 3/4 panel, outer 1/4 panel, BL 200 and BL 249 ribs, and the air brake stiffener. Does anybody out there have the same problem except having 2 sets of starboard wing parts??? We could trade and, hopefully, get 2 more sets of motor glider wings completed. We look forward to any comments. Rob Huntington Phoenix Composites 4863 E. Falcon Dr. Mesa, AZ 85215 ph (480) 924-9750 email robertodue2002@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:53 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Fitting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > ...suffered some heat damage to its carbon composite wing... > can still recall watching an egg fry on the apron in Arizona. > My aircraft is white and it is staying that way but hey, > -- if that is what you want go for it. > > regards, > MP > I agree with white too, Mike, but context reminder to others, we were talking black tinted (or even dark green au naturel) Redux bonding the windows, and exposed to the sun. A digital infrared temp measuring device is a neat tool, and using it on a car shows how a chart of temp vs. color may not predict actual temp, only approx. variance between colors. It has to do with a bunch of stuff, especially amount of organic compounds in the paint or the material, such as carbon fiber and asphalt you cited. A tire will likely be much hotter than the black, plastic fender flare above it. The tool would be useful to a builder desiring some color, by comparing pieces of fiberglass coated with white vs. whatever color, metallic or not, etc. Or a darker color judged tolerable on wingtips of least structural concern. Plus other diagnostic and even household uses.... Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:40 AM PST US From: "de Geus" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ampreg --> Europa-List message posted by: "de Geus" Hi John Thank you for the information I really appreciate that regards Klaas ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: ampreg > --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com > > In a message dated 30/08/04 09:10:43 GMT Standard Time, kl.degeus@quicknet.nl > writes: > > > I am building an europa xs I really enjoy it, I started in 1998 and I am > > getting close to painting and install the engine. Does anyone knows a good > > adress to order ampreg and araldite 420? > > > > I doubt that you can buy these products in Holland, but you can order them > from the UK. > > Ampreg is supplied by Blakes Paints, telephone 44-1633-833600, fax > 44-1633-489489 > > Araldite is supplied by Aeropia Ltd, telephone 44-1293-459500, fax > 44-1293-459600 > > Regards > > John Heykoop > XS Monowheel G-JHKP, working on the wing to fuselage assembly > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:30 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Me too. I was shipped two starboard outboard quarter panels. What I need is a left outboard qtr panel to finish my wings. Contact me off list at alan@kestrel-insurance.com if we can help each other out....Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Huntington Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! --> Europa-List message posted by: Rob Huntington --> Hello everyone, We are in the process of building motor glider wings for a customer and have discovered that we were shipped duplicate sets of parts for the port wing without the correct parts for a starboard wing. Specifically, the "c" spar, outer 3/4 panel, outer 1/4 panel, BL 200 and BL 249 ribs, and the air brake stiffener. Does anybody out there have the same problem except having 2 sets of starboard wing parts??? We could trade and, hopefully, get 2 more sets of motor glider wings completed. We look forward to any comments. Rob Huntington Phoenix Composites 4863 E. Falcon Dr. Mesa, AZ 85215 ph (480) 924-9750 email robertodue2002@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:54 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turweston for Saturday - PFA AGM --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" It did a grand job when about 40 planes descended on them on the centenary of flight day. DAVID ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison > Hi! Alan. > Yes there's quite a good cafe facility there although I don't know how it > performs under pressure! > regards > Bob Harrison ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:55 AM PST US From: "bryan allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" Hi Tony, Sorry, but at this time I am not able to make any comparisons. The Kremen does have a constant speed function though. I saw Dave Joyce's Kremen when we in France, and thought it looked pretty. I am not a VP prop enthusiast. I have always been very satified with the fixed pitch performance of my aeroplane and have not considered it worth the extra complexity, weight, or cost. At the price Dave mentioned though, I thought it was worth a try. That is why I bought it. Dave knows far more about comparisons with other products than I do, and he will probably respond. As I shall be doing the first conversion from Warp drive fixed pitch to the Kremen constant speed VP. I will be reporting on any problems encountered, and making comparisons on the before and after performance. So watch this space! Who knows I may even become an enthusiast. Cheer! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Renshaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw > > Bryan,. > I am wondering what your opinion of the Kremen is compared to the > Airmaster?? I know there is a lot of both in your part of the world, but > not so many Kremens. I do like their blade shapes though. So, am interested > in an assessment of the quality of both. Does the Kremen have a constant > speed function like the Airmaster?? > Reg > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Australia > > > At 01:26 PM 8/29/2004, you wrote: > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" > > > > > >Hi David, and those interested in the Kremen props, > >The price paid was 2660 Euros, plus VAT., which they asking for at 19% at > >the moment. > >They accepted 266 E's with order, balance to be paid before delivery. That > >was before the prior payment of VAT question came up. > >I ordered it a month ago, and it is now ready for despatch. > >It looks good, and because of the interest I will advise how things go from > >here. I will need to find room for another 2.5 inch diameter site on my > >panel in a handy finger position though. > >Naturally Francis D is requiring an installation inspection, together with a > >new weight and balance check and a flight test. He has advised me that he > >wont be available untill late Sept so it will not be flying till then > > > >Best regards. Bryan Allsop > > > > > >-- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Grant" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Peter Grant > > > US-Eurolink Marketing Services Ltd > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > 10 The Sidings, Horncastle LN9 5UA > > > Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160 > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > This email is intended for the sole use of > > > the addressee. If you have received this email in error, please contact > >the > > > sender and delete the message. US-Eurolink Marketing Services Ltd accepts > >no > > > liability for misuse of this email however caused. Outgoing emails are > > > automatically checked by Norton Anti-Virus. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce > > > To: Europa list > > > Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > > > > > > > I am pleased to say that Frances Donaldson has just increased the blade li > >fe > > > limit on the SR2000 prop from 3 yrs to 6 yrs and said he expects to be > >able > > > to remove that limit altogether in a couple of years or so. This has made > >it > > > a commercial proposition to sell them in the UK and a major player in the > >UK > > > GA marketpkace is pursuing the possibility of becoming their agent. > > > The Europa 6 Nations tour ( G-HOFC, G-RIXS, G-PTAG, G-NEAT & > >G-XSDJ) > > > visited the Kremen factory last week and were impressed and unanimous that > > > when their current props gave up they would reequip with a Kremen. I > > > understand that Bryan Alsop has just bought one for 2600 Euros which > > > included spinner, wiring, CS unit, delivery and instruments, with total > > > weight of 9.8 Kg > > > David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:59 PM PST US From: ACJARVIS1@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! --> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com I certainly can't help but will just record my own tale of woe re glider wings. I bought a 'motor glider kit' and took delivery in Jan 2004 . I paid in full but opted to have the wings delivered 'a bit later on' when I could find space for them....well you can work out the rest..no wings full stop. Caveat emptor. Next time use a credit card, never mind the interest. However I would like to keep the glider wing story alive ....Dave Anderson has shown that the motor glider really does live up to its design claims. The Europa may be getting old but the stretched version has only just hatched! I wonder- a) how many sets of long wings are 'out there'? b) how many people would be interested in buying the long wings assuming some sort of production is resumed by someone? c) what are my chances of finding any decent wings long or short? PS Jeremy Davey tells me the costs of fulfilling the PFA tests are maybe no more than =A310 000 which shared between a dozen or so owners would be well worth paying... Andrew Jarvis 599. fuselage and no wings! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:54 PM PST US From: Lmorgan822@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Motor glider wings --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com I feel your pain! I paid in full for phase II and III and guess what..............Nothing. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:22 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Woodcomp/Kremen propellers --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Bryan Allsop wrote :- > I am not a VP prop enthusiast . . . . . . . . . . Who knows I may even become an enthusiast. I'm sure you will if it is CS Bryan, maybe not if it is only VP. Regards Kingsley Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:04 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! --> Europa-List message posted by: I have a set of finished glider wings not being used. I would consider selling them. Am in Knoxville, TN. Contact me off list. Ken Carpenter kbcarpenter@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Motorglider wings--HELP! > --> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com > > I certainly can't help but will just record my own tale of woe re glider > wings. I bought a 'motor glider kit' and took delivery in Jan 2004 . I paid in > full but opted to have the wings delivered 'a bit later on' when I could find > space for them....well you can work out the rest..no wings full stop. Caveat > emptor. Next time use a credit card, never mind the interest. > > However I would like to keep the glider wing story alive ....Dave Anderson > has shown that the motor glider really does live up to its design claims. The > Europa may be getting old but the stretched version has only just hatched! > > I wonder- > a) how many sets of long wings are 'out there'? > b) how many people would be interested in buying the long wings assuming > some sort of production is resumed by someone? > c) what are my chances of finding any decent wings long or short? > > PS Jeremy Davey tells me the costs of fulfilling the PFA tests are maybe no > more than > =A310 000 which shared between a dozen or so owners would be well worth > paying... > > Andrew Jarvis 599. fuselage and no wings! > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:43 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. 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