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1. 04:55 AM - Undercart Roll Pins (Tony Renshaw)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (Jim Butcher)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Undercart Roll Pins (Stephan Cassel)
4. 08:03 AM - Begging info.... (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: Motorglider wings (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
6. 09:23 AM - Spar tip socket installation opinions please (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: Undercart Roll Pins (AlanB)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: Spar tip socket installation opinions please (Robert Berube)
9. 02:55 PM - Re: Undercart Roll Pins (Tony Renshaw)
10. 05:10 PM - Glider wings (Ronald J. Parigoris)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: Begging info.... (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Undercart Roll Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
Is there an easy way to place the 6 mm roll pin into the 4.8 mm holes in
the LG 08s ??? Looks fairly impossible to me without opening up a tapered
guide hole in the LG 08, but I don't want to do that without first asking
around.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
Tail Torque Tube installed.
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a sticky
situation
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Add us to the list of builders wanting motorglider wings!!
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
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| Subject: | Re: Undercart Roll Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Tony,
I thought so too but it went in without any problem. Knock Knock with
a hamer
Reg
Stephan
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Is there an easy way to place the 6 mm roll pin into the 4.8 mm holes
> in the LG 08s ??? Looks fairly impossible to me without opening up a
> tapered guide hole in the LG 08, but I don't want to do that without
> first asking around.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> Tail Torque Tube installed.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> sticky situation
>
>
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> _-
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| Subject: | Begging info.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I have a question which begs an answer, but am hesitant to enquire
of Neville or Andy because of their presumed need to get on with their
careers. i know they would be anxious and keen to provide support (and would
not hesitate if it were crucial) but feel my fellow builders can provide the
facts in this case.
This is directed to Classic builders in the fin area.
I have built in Graham Singleton's rudderpost and find it a
superb fit and good structural support. I am about to attach the fin to the
fuselage (top) per the chapter 28 instructions. These infer that I should
coat the bottom of the fin (the foam structure between lighting holes) with
2 layers of BiD. Do I have this correct? Also, I believe it states that if
this latter surface is more than 3mm above the fuselage top molding then
spacers of 3mm plywood require to be inserted (I suppose to provide a more
secure gluing surface twixt top and fin). In my case, the spacing appears to
be about 2mm, and wondering if I should make up some of that............
My question is:
Provided I have the above correctly, did you need to include 3mm ply filling
twixt the two? If not, did you need an inordinate amount of 420 to secure a
good bonding surface for the fin?
Your considered reply would be most appreciated............
Cheers, Ferg A064
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| Subject: | Motorglider wings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "jimpuglise@comcast.net" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
John--
The glider wings are the feature that makes this a really unique aircraft.
In fact, that was the major factor that convinced us to go this route.
Both my wife and I are sailplane pilots in addition to SEL, and the Europa
is the only (affordable) option that meets both needs. We have a long wing
kit, but it is up at Flite Crafters and I don't know if they shipped the
wrong components. I do know that no hardware was shipped with it. We will
probably store the long wing kit and do the short one first.
If the Company gets new management, I would think it a serious error to not
support the long wing.
Jim, A283, Punta Gorda, FL
Original Message:
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From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Motorglider wings
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:00:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> how many people would be interested in buying the long wings assuming
> >some sort of production is resumed by someone?
>
> Count me in.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
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| Subject: | Spar tip socket installation opinions please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello Gents:
I'm requesting opinions on installation procedure of the starboard spar tip
sockets <Ch14> which is located on the port spar.
<First let me say that I purchased the quick build cockpit module. The socket
for the port wing and bush behind the passenger seat is already installed.
Only thing left for me to do in Ch 14 it to install the starboard tip socket and
the bush behind the pilot seat.>
Per the manual I set the module on it's front and attempted to test fit the
wings with supports on each end. I spent the better part of the morning on
this!
Question 1:
After about 3 hours of work, it occurred to me that, since I only need
install the starboard socket I could simply bolt the spars together and achieve
the
proper alignment without wrestling with the module and wing supports.
This proceeder sound OK to you folks?
Question 2:
Will it still be necessary to install both wings into the cockpit module when
it comes time to put the bushing the seat back. I'm thinking that if my
alignment is OK with the 2 spars then it should line up just fine.
****
On a side note I noticed that the factory did not install the bush
reinforcement pads on the seat back < page 14-3> before gluing the port socket
tip on...
Anyone know if this procedure has been eliminated from the most recent
updates?
Thanks in advance!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Undercart Roll Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
The roll pins in my case were tapered at each end and so positioned in the
holes ok. I then just tapped them in. By their nature they compress into the
hole and hold firm.
Alan
#0303
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Undercart Roll Pins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> Is there an easy way to place the 6 mm roll pin into the 4.8 mm holes in
> the LG 08s ??? Looks fairly impossible to me without opening up a tapered
> guide hole in the LG 08, but I don't want to do that without first asking
> around.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> Tail Torque Tube installed.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> sticky
> situation
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Spar tip socket installation opinions please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The plywood is not glassed over the bush sockets as they may need slight
realignment for your wings. It must be done following the fit of your
wings.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Spar tip socket installation opinions please
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello Gents:
I'm requesting opinions on installation procedure of the starboard spar tip
sockets <Ch14> which is located on the port spar.
<First let me say that I purchased the quick build cockpit module. The
socket
for the port wing and bush behind the passenger seat is already installed.
Only thing left for me to do in Ch 14 it to install the starboard tip socket
and
the bush behind the pilot seat.>
Per the manual I set the module on it's front and attempted to test fit the
wings with supports on each end. I spent the better part of the morning on
this!
Question 1:
After about 3 hours of work, it occurred to me that, since I only need
install the starboard socket I could simply bolt the spars together and
achieve the
proper alignment without wrestling with the module and wing supports.
This proceeder sound OK to you folks?
Question 2:
Will it still be necessary to install both wings into the cockpit module
when
it comes time to put the bushing the seat back. I'm thinking that if my
alignment is OK with the 2 spars then it should line up just fine.
****
On a side note I noticed that the factory did not install the bush
reinforcement pads on the seat back < page 14-3> before gluing the port
socket tip on...
Anyone know if this procedure has been eliminated from the most recent
updates?
Thanks in advance!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Undercart Roll Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Thanks Stephan,
I need to read the manual properly. Haven't opened the 4.8 holes out yet to
6 mm. Der!!!!
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 10:14 PM 9/3/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
>
>Hi Tony,
>
>I thought so too but it went in without any problem. Knock Knock with
>a hamer
>
>Reg
>Stephan
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> > <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Gidday,
> > Is there an easy way to place the 6 mm roll pin into the 4.8 mm holes
> > in the LG 08s ??? Looks fairly impossible to me without opening up a
> > tapered guide hole in the LG 08, but I don't want to do that without
> > first asking around.
> >
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> > Tail Torque Tube installed.
> > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > Photos at:
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> > Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> > sticky situation
> >
> >
> > _-
>========================================================================
> > _-
>========================================================================
> > _-
>========================================================================
> > _-
>========================================================================
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
After dealing with FWF and flying with short wings, will be needing a set of glider
wings.
Air brakes are installed.
Ron Parigoris
A-265
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| Subject: | Re: Begging info.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Hi, Ferg,
> These infer that I should
> coat the bottom of the fin (the foam structure between lighting
holes) with
> 2 layers of BiD. Do I have this correct?
What my manual states, and don't forget to cut out the cured glass in
the lightening holes.
>...if this latter surface is more than 3mm above the fuselage top
molding then
> to spacers of 3mm plywood require to be inserted. In my case, the
spacing
> appears to be about 2mm, and wondering if I should make up some of
that.......
I think "shim" can be taken literally, not a structural issue. It
seemed to me that if the gap is too big, you just won't know if enough
micro has been buttered in there for a secure bond. 2mm is not a lot
of "butter," though.
> If not, did you need an inordinate amount of 420 to secure a
> good bonding surface for the fin?
Should be about the same, as Redux is only for the flange. More
important is enough flox so that the Redux does not sink out through
gravity.
Reg,
Fred F.
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