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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Flap Alignment (NevEyre@aol.com)
2. 12:37 AM - Re: Begging info.... (NevEyre@aol.com)
3. 01:15 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Richard Holder)
4. 02:56 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Brian Davies)
5. 03:19 AM - Re: Begging info.... (JR (Bob) Gowing)
6. 05:18 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (David Joyce)
7. 05:24 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Fred Fillinger)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Gilles Thesee)
9. 06:43 AM - Insurance (Vaughn Teegarden)
10. 07:18 AM - Re: Insurance (Gerry Holland)
11. 07:20 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Fred Fillinger)
12. 07:30 AM - Recombinant Gas batteries (Richard Holder)
13. 08:05 AM - Re: Insurance (Tim Weert)
14. 08:42 AM - Re: Motorglider wings--HELP! (chris davis)
15. 09:05 AM - Re: Recombinant Gas batteries (Gilles Thesee)
16. 10:04 AM - New product announcement: affordable VG's (Land Shorter)
17. 10:12 AM - Insurance (Vaughn Teegarden)
18. 10:38 AM - Re: new owner, new builder (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
19. 01:47 PM - Factory News ? (Tony Bale)
20. 02:41 PM - Hat Dropping This Week (bryan allsop)
21. 03:06 PM - epoxy query (Fred R. Klein)
22. 03:24 PM - Re: epoxy query (Rocketman)
23. 03:26 PM - Value of the cockpitmudule (Michael Grass)
24. 03:52 PM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Dan Bish - N914RB)
25. 04:36 PM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Roger Lidtka)
26. 07:19 PM - Source for 2" rubber hose (Paul McAllister)
27. 07:48 PM - Re: Source for 2" rubber hose ()
28. 09:49 PM - Re: epoxy query (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
29. 10:04 PM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Craig Ellison)
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Alignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Dave,
Clamp the TGW21's to the outer W18's.
Fit the FL3 between the TGW21's, with all the spacers, as per the manual.
Do whatever you have to do with the W19 and W20, [in as much as juggle which
side of the W18's and FL1 and FL2 you put them] to get the correct fit. You
may need to put a slight bend [ zig / zag] in the inboard bracket [ W19] to get
everything aligned.
Do not start cutting the spacers at the FL3 / TGW21 position, this will alter
the clearence of the flap to the aileron [ BAD NEWS !]
When everything fits, drill and bolt the TGW21's / W20 / W19 to their
respective W18's.
Easy, aint it ?
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Begging info.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Ferg,
Still alive and kicking !
Two Bid's go on the base of the fin.
If you have a 2mm gap, it is better [ lighter and cheaper] to fill that with
some plywood.
This also ensures you have a full bond, and the [expensive] Redux didn't just
ooze out, and drip into the fuselage.
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> According to Yuasa's web site, the NP series is unfortunately a deep
> cycle battery, not a starting battery. You should have a battery
> which has a cranking amps spec, such as the Odyssey.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
Hi Fred
I did some more research last night and that is what came out.
In fact gas recombinant is quite common. There are three types of battery
Starting
Deep Cycle
Float
Starting gives oomph and lots of amps for a short time
Deep cycle is designed to be run down a long way before recharge (such as
for an electric wheelchair)
Float continuous trickle charge such as for UPS or alarm systems.
I have seen "Starting Batteries" mentioned at the these two retailers
Lyndhurst Touchdown Services - mention 912S and 16 Ahr is GBP 94
Groves
Does anyone know of any other suppliers of "Starting gas recombinant"
batteries in a area further east ?
Is there any reason why "starting gas recombinant" batteries are twice the
price of "deep cycle" ?
Thanks for the info.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Richard,
The Varley Red Top battery seems to to be the way to go. I bought the Red
Top 25 which is 16 Ah with a cranking current of 625 amps. It is a RG
battery with absorbed glass mat inside. They claim you can drill a hole in
it and it wont leak. Weighs 6.1 Kg.
I bought one from MDS Batteries on the internet but it turned out to be
defective and they refunded my money because their turnover was too low to
justify stocking them. Cheapest was Aesir Power on 01799 5311, based in
Safron Walden in Essex, but he could not take a credit card, so I finally
got one fron Demon Tweeks on 01978 664466. They delivered within 2 days.
Cost was 81.60 pounds plus delivery 7.75 pounds plus VAT 15.64. total 104.99
pounds. Not the cheapest but quick and easy.
Brian Davies kit 454
Fuselage being painted, filling and sanding, filling and sanding......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Recombinant Gas batteries
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> > According to Yuasa's web site, the NP series is unfortunately a deep
> > cycle battery, not a starting battery. You should have a battery
> > which has a cranking amps spec, such as the Odyssey.
> >
> > Reg,
> > Fred F.
>
> Hi Fred
>
> I did some more research last night and that is what came out.
>
> In fact gas recombinant is quite common. There are three types of battery
>
> Starting
> Deep Cycle
> Float
>
> Starting gives oomph and lots of amps for a short time
> Deep cycle is designed to be run down a long way before recharge (such as
> for an electric wheelchair)
> Float continuous trickle charge such as for UPS or alarm systems.
>
> I have seen "Starting Batteries" mentioned at the these two retailers
>
> Lyndhurst Touchdown Services - mention 912S and 16 Ahr is GBP 94
> Groves
>
> Does anyone know of any other suppliers of "Starting gas recombinant"
> batteries in a area further east ?
>
> Is there any reason why "starting gas recombinant" batteries are twice the
> price of "deep cycle" ?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Begging info.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Fergus
I agree with FF; for the web connections mix the 420 thick with flox and
apply it in a bead higher than your gaps. I believe that as long as you get
a connection joining the webs you will satisfy the shear forces OK. The main
push-pull forces will be across the flanges.
J R (Bob) Gowing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Begging info....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
>
> Hi, Ferg,
>
> > These infer that I should
> > coat the bottom of the fin (the foam structure between lighting
> holes) with
> > 2 layers of BiD. Do I have this correct?
>
> What my manual states, and don't forget to cut out the cured glass in
> the lightening holes.
>
> >...if this latter surface is more than 3mm above the fuselage top
> molding then
> > to spacers of 3mm plywood require to be inserted. In my case, the
> spacing
> > appears to be about 2mm, and wondering if I should make up some of
> that.......
>
> I think "shim" can be taken literally, not a structural issue. It
> seemed to me that if the gap is too big, you just won't know if enough
> micro has been buttered in there for a secure bond. 2mm is not a lot
> of "butter," though.
>
> > If not, did you need an inordinate amount of 420 to secure a
> > good bonding surface for the fin?
>
> Should be about the same, as Redux is only for the flange. More
> important is enough flox so that the Redux does not sink out through
> gravity.
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, My Odyssey PC680 cost me 55-57 from Groves batteries in Cheltenham
on 1/8/00. The same battery starts it up first time every time and hasn't
needed any attention in the intervening 4 yrs. Give them a ring on 01242
514940 for an up to date price. David
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Recombinant Gas batteries
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> > According to Yuasa's web site, the NP series is unfortunately a deep
> > cycle battery, not a starting battery. You should have a battery
> > which has a cranking amps spec, such as the Odyssey.
> >
> > Reg,
> > Fred F.
>
> Hi Fred
>
> I did some more research last night and that is what came out.
>
> In fact gas recombinant is quite common. There are three types of battery
>
> Starting
> Deep Cycle
> Float
>
> Starting gives oomph and lots of amps for a short time
> Deep cycle is designed to be run down a long way before recharge (such as
> for an electric wheelchair)
> Float continuous trickle charge such as for UPS or alarm systems.
>
> I have seen "Starting Batteries" mentioned at the these two retailers
>
> Lyndhurst Touchdown Services - mention 912S and 16 Ahr is GBP 94
> Groves
>
> Does anyone know of any other suppliers of "Starting gas recombinant"
> batteries in a area further east ?
>
> Is there any reason why "starting gas recombinant" batteries are twice the
> price of "deep cycle" ?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Is there any reason why "starting gas recombinant" batteries are
twice the
> price of "deep cycle" ?
>
> Richard
I suspect production volume. Besides a few people building airplanes
where a few pounds count, the only other good application I've seen
for RG starting batteries is for an emergency starting power pack you
keep in the trunk of the car. Last one I saw for sale was
deep-discounted in our local "closeouts" store! Deep cycle batteries
are common in a bunch of stuff.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Fred and Richard,
>
> > Is there any reason why "starting gas recombinant" batteries are
> twice the
> > price of "deep cycle" ?
> >
> > Richard
>
> I suspect production volume. Besides a few people building airplanes
> where a few pounds count, the only other good application I've seen
> for RG starting batteries is for an emergency starting power pack you
> keep in the trunk of the car. Last one I saw for sale was
> deep-discounted in our local "closeouts" store! Deep cycle batteries
> are common in a bunch of stuff.
I do not concur : the recombinant gas technology has been developped for the
computer uninterruptible power supplies, and is largely spread. On the
contrary, deep cycle batteries are now confined to traction duties. I seem
to remember there are only two manufacturers remaining in the world.
You'll have difficulties in finding specific "starting batteries" : the
beste batteries for our applications are UPS batteries with large cranking
current ability.
For instance the Hawker SBS batteries sold by Lyndhurst Touchdown are
recombinant gas floating batteries. But their scranking current is circa 400
amps for the SBS 8 and 600-800 amps for the SBS 15. Those batteries perform
very well with Rotax engines.
The SBS 8 cost 47 euros in France last year. They are manufactured in GB.
Panasonic and Yuasa also make satisfactory models. Not forgetting Odyssey.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
I am picking up an XS kit, but can't seem to find insurance to cover it during
the transit phase. Has anyone come up against this problem? Have any suggestions?
Vaughn Teegarden
Would like to be a builder
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Vaughn
Not sure what Country you are in.
I have Insurance for my Kit, Trailer and Transit as required in UK.
That covered Moving Aircraft to painters, picking up each stage and storage
in Workshop.
It costs about 250.00 p.a.
If you are in UK e-mail me off-line.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine very near to starting.
Painting completed. Vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod. Heater Unit constructed and fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Gilles Thesee wrote:
> ...
> I do not concur : the recombinant gas technology has been developed
for the
> computer uninterruptible power supplies, and is largely spread.
One article I have cites the first RG battery patent obtained by
Thomas Edison in 1912. Commercial development began in the 1960's,
and commercial production in the early 70's. Sort of like the myth of
Teflon emerging from U.S. space programs; actually, it was
accidentally discovered by Dupont in 1938, and the first commercial
products date back to 1946. :-)
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I do not concur : the recombinant gas technology has been developped for the
> computer uninterruptible power supplies, and is largely spread. On the
> contrary, deep cycle batteries are now confined to traction duties. I seem
> to remember there are only two manufacturers remaining in the world.
>
> You'll have difficulties in finding specific "starting batteries" : the
> beste batteries for our applications are UPS batteries with large cranking
> current ability.
> For instance the Hawker SBS batteries sold by Lyndhurst Touchdown are
> recombinant gas floating batteries. But their scranking current is circa 400
> amps for the SBS 8 and 600-800 amps for the SBS 15. Those batteries perform
> very well with Rotax engines.
> The SBS 8 cost 47 euros in France last year. They are manufactured in GB.
> Panasonic and Yuasa also make satisfactory models. Not forgetting Odyssey.
The current price list for Lyndhurst shows the 8 Ahr battery at 70 GBP plus
VAT and the 16 Ahr at 80 plus VAT.
The Yuasa battery NP17-12 I have is described as "designed for float or
stand-by use" and it was only 35 GBP plus VAT. And it has worked well, even
when caned (see below) !
Unfortunately time has moved on.
My starting problem is the sprag clutch. My 912S has done only 100 hours.
Admittedly all last winter it wouldn't start (due I think to crude in the
starting jet). So that caned it a bit - although it always started
eventually, after 10 or 15 minutes !
After finding (some) crud and cleaning it out it started OK for three
months, but in the last month it has got worse. Tuesday and Thursday this
week there was another 10 minute grind but it started. Wed it started first
turn of the key !
Yesterday it wouldn't start. No crud in the starting jet but I suspect there
may be some elsewhere. Tried jumping from the car. The prop is just not
turning continuously, it kicks back, and clicks quite a bit.
Which basically p*sses me off as I had a misfire for 9 months which I have
now fixed. (20 hours without a peep) I was looking forward to a few months
without removing the cowling.
So I am now open to suggestions, either in terms of the best way of fixing
it (and I hope, avoiding it happening again), or if anyone is interested in
taking on a slightly flawed low hours Europa. OK - I mean very flawed low
hours Europa.
:-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Vaughn,
Concretulations with your Europa ! Don't tel me it's the G-GBXS....? I
bought the G-KITZ last week and was able to ferry it to Holland. The
insurance was a problem indeed, but I made a deal with the insurance that
they insured the plane for the ferryflight and I will insure the plane next
year by their company. If your insurance company isn't flexible enough to
make such a deal, than you can try an other company. Succes!
Best regards, Tim Weert
G-KITZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Insurance
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden"
<VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
>
> I am picking up an XS kit, but can't seem to find insurance to cover it
during the transit phase. Has anyone come up against this problem? Have any
suggestions?
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> Would like to be a builder
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider wings--HELP! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
liters , I have been off list for a couple of months, what is going on ? it
sounds like europa is in trouble or they have stopped making the glider wings.
I
have a set of wings and the tail kit. Control surfaces of the glider wings about
half done haven't been able to work on them all summer and now that they have
passed the "sport pilot "license I might consider selling them chris davis A160
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| Subject: | Re: Recombinant Gas batteries |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Richard,
> The current price list for Lyndhurst shows the 8 Ahr battery at 70 GBP
plus
> VAT and the 16 Ahr at 80 plus VAT.
>
The prices I was quoting were plus VAT too. They were sold by a Hawker
French dealer.
> The Yuasa battery NP17-12 I have is described as "designed for float or
> stand-by use" and it was only 35 GBP plus VAT. And it has worked well,
even
> when caned (see below) !
> Unfortunately time has moved on.
> My starting problem is the sprag clutch. My 912S has done only 100 hours.
> Admittedly all last winter it wouldn't start (due I think to crude in the
> starting jet). So that caned it a bit - although it always started
> eventually, after 10 or 15 minutes !
> After finding (some) crud and cleaning it out it started OK for three
> months, but in the last month it has got worse. Tuesday and Thursday this
> week there was another 10 minute grind but it started. Wed it started
first
> turn of the key !
>
> Yesterday it wouldn't start. No crud in the starting jet but I suspect
there
> may be some elsewhere. Tried jumping from the car. The prop is just not
> turning continuously, it kicks back, and clicks quite a bit.
>
Looks like the classic Rotax cold starting difficulties. Have you
implemented the current SBs, SLs and SIs ? Rotax now sells an improved and
more powerful starter motor too.
Now something occurs to me : have you made sure you fully recharge your
battery every time you flog it ? The rotax alternator and regulator are very
puny and if you've got a lot of goodies on your panel, chances are your
battery COULD experience less than optimal in-flight recharging.
> Which basically p*sses me off as I had a misfire for 9 months which I have
> now fixed. (20 hours without a peep) I was looking forward to a few months
> without removing the cowling.
> So I am now open to suggestions, either in terms of the best way of fixing
> it (and I hope, avoiding it happening again), or if anyone is interested
in
> taking on a slightly flawed low hours Europa. OK - I mean very flawed low
> hours Europa.
>
Do you mean you would consider selling your aeroplane ?
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Land Shorter <landshorter2@yahoo.com>
Hey folks,
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Thanks and let's keep 'em flying!
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The VG Guy
www.landshorter.com
1-877-272-1414 (toll free)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
I guess that I should have mentioned that I'm from the USA.
Vaughn Teegarden
Would like to be a builder
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| Subject: | Re: new owner, new builder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Welcome Myron.
How about giving us a few details.....like where your located, any prior
plane building, and any family that you wish to depart with now to minimize the
distractions.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Anybody any news on whats happening at the factory or the future for our resin
rockets ? It all seems a bit quiet. I see from a couple of E-mails that if not
both, then one of the demonstrators has been sold. (or maybe I have missed something
- more likely)
Tony.
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| Subject: | Hat Dropping This Week |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
If any one is thinking about a fly-out/in this week, the weather looks good for
it.
Please give me at least 24 hours notice though, and avoid Thursday.
Cheers! Bryan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I have inadventantly cooked a can of resin and hardener overnite at a
temperature which was reading 100 degrees F. this morning.
Any thoughts on whether or not I should or must throw it out?
Fred
A194
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Fred R. Klein wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have inadventantly cooked a can of resin and hardener overnite at a
>temperature which was reading 100 degrees F. this morning.
>
>Any thoughts on whether or not I should or must throw it out?
>
>Fred
>A194
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>
>
>
I'm assuming that the cans were not combined. 100 degrees will not hurt
the material. I keep a light trained on my resin, just to keep the temp
up, so that it will flow easily through my machine...
--
Jeff - A055
http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi fellow Europa builders,
I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They request the amount
of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire wall forward package)
I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas and I have a value
for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument module. Somebody else
is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to Lakeland in march for
an exchange towards the trigear version.
Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument module?
I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument module on
their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore. Bob Berube, maybe
can you give me a quote?
Thanks in advance
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Michael,
I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim form.
Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it?
Thanks,
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Hi fellow Europa builders,
>
> I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They request
the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire wall
forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas and I
have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument module.
Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to
Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version.
>
> Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument
module?
>
> I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument
module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore. Bob
Berube, maybe can you give me a quote?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
Me too.
Roger Lidtka
Kit A253
Kent, WA
Dan Bish - N914RB <N914RB@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB"
Michael,
I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim form.
Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it?
Thanks,
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass"
Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
>
> Hi fellow Europa builders,
>
> I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They request
the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire wall
forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas and I
have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument module.
Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to
Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version.
>
> Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument
module?
>
> I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument
module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore. Bob
Berube, maybe can you give me a quote?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear
>
>
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| Subject: | Source for 2" rubber hose |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I have an aluminum elbow fitted between my filler neck and the fuel tank and is
it is connected with a couple of short sections of rubber hose that I cut from
the original rubber elbow supplied by Europa.
The pieces I salvaged were a bit short and I am going to have to replace them.
Can any one tell me where I can get fuel resistant rubber hose 2' in diameter.
I need two pieces about 3.5: inches long.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Source for 2" rubber hose |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Paul
I don't have any of the stinky rubber hose but I think I have that much
of some clear polyurethane that is much better. If you don't find what
you need, get back to me and I will check. (I have used it for the
whole angle connection instead of aluminum. You can see the level in
the tubing while filling.)
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Source for 2" rubber hose
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I have an aluminum elbow fitted between my filler neck and the fuel tank
and is it is connected with a couple of short sections of rubber hose
that I cut from the original rubber elbow supplied by Europa.
The pieces I salvaged were a bit short and I am going to have to replace
them. Can any one tell me where I can get fuel resistant rubber hose 2'
in diameter. I need two pieces about 3.5: inches long.
Thanks, Paul
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hey Fred,
I live in Redding, California. I call it the training ground for people that
want to move to Phoenix, Arizona. Typically 110' F most days in the summer,
with a few 120's. I have my epoxy stored in my shop it can get quite warm. It's
great for mixing (humidity runs about 15% during the summer) and curing.
In the winter, I keep a lightbulb in the storage cabinet to maintain the temp
in the low 90's. So I don't think that your 100' even fazed it. As a matter
of fact, if you ever open a can of that yellow gunk epoxy and find a bunch of
lumps and hardened bumps, it's just some of the epoxy has crystallized . You
simply place it with it's plastic lid just resting on the top in a pot
(preferably one you bought from the Good Will store and not your wife's good stuff)
with water and slowly heat it to just before a boil. Allow it to simmer and the
gunk will slowly raise in temp until a little mixing allows the crystals to go
back to their smooth soft selves. I just did one and it took about an hour to
get it back to smooth.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Forget email, it didn't work for me. Call them direct and talk to someone.
I finally got mine that way. Not that it will make much difference I
suspect.
craig ellison
silverton, OR
painting things and wishing I had my FWF bits to mount the engine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lidtka" <rogerlid@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
>
> Me too.
>
> Roger Lidtka
> Kit A253
> Kent, WA
>
> Dan Bish - N914RB <N914RB@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB"
>
> Michael,
>
> I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim form.
> Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it?
> Thanks,
> Dan
> A144
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Grass"
> To:
> Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
> >
> > Hi fellow Europa builders,
> >
> > I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They request
> the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire
wall
> forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas and
I
> have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument
module.
> Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to
> Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version.
> >
> > Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument
> module?
> >
> > I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument
> module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore.
Bob
> Berube, maybe can you give me a quote?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Michael Grass
> > A266 Trigear
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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