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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Roger Lidtka)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Alan Burrows)
3. 04:20 AM - Re: DC Headsets (Alan Burrows)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: epoxy query (grroberts3@juno.com)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: Cockpit module goes in next weekend! (grroberts3@juno.com)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Carpenter, Matt)
7. 09:06 AM - 912S starting (Richard Holder)
8. 09:20 AM - ANR Headsets (Richard Holder)
9. 09:29 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (David Glauser)
10. 09:59 AM - Re: 912S starting (Gerry Holland)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: 912S starting (John Cliff)
12. 10:35 AM - SV: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) (Kjell Andersson)
13. 10:39 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Paul McAllister)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Steve & Eileen Genotte)
15. 11:44 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (Carpenter, Matt)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: 912S starting (Gilles Thesee)
17. 12:04 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (Duncan McFadyean)
18. 12:17 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (bryan allsop)
19. 01:03 PM - Re: 912S starting (David Joyce)
20. 01:56 PM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Robert Berube)
21. 02:15 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Rocketman)
22. 02:31 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (JEFF ROBERTS)
23. 03:26 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst)
24. 04:36 PM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (KARL HEINDL)
25. 05:25 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 09/06/04 (Graham Singleton)
26. 05:25 PM - Cockpit module installation (Graham Singleton)
27. 06:19 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (KARL HEINDL)
28. 06:54 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Rocketman)
29. 08:26 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (Richard Schultz)
30. 08:58 PM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Dan Bish - N914RB)
31. 09:35 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Richard Holder)
32. 10:15 PM - Recommendation from Tom Paul (tom@tompaul.com)
33. 10:20 PM - XS Mono for sale (tom@tompaul.com)
34. 10:31 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst)
35. 10:44 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst)
36. 11:48 PM - Re: 912S starting (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
Thanks Michael,
Roger
Michael Grass <M.Grass@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
Dan, Roger,
I also had to call the administrator. Just dial from the US 01144 1377
257788 and ask for Stephanie Coulter. She will ask for your address and then
send you the claim form. Sorry, no Email form.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
Detroit, Mi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Ellison"
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
>
> Forget email, it didn't work for me. Call them direct and talk to
someone.
> I finally got mine that way. Not that it will make much difference I
> suspect.
>
> craig ellison
> silverton, OR
> painting things and wishing I had my FWF bits to mount the engine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Lidtka"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka
> >
> > Me too.
> >
> > Roger Lidtka
> > Kit A253
> > Kent, WA
> >
> > Dan Bish - N914RB wrote:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB"
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim
form.
> > Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it?
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> > A144
> > Tucson, AZ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Grass"
> > To:
> > Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
> > >
> > > Hi fellow Europa builders,
> > >
> > > I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They
request
> > the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire
> wall
> > forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas
and
> I
> > have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument
> module.
> > Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to
> > Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version.
> > >
> > > Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument
> > module?
> > >
> > > I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument
> > module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore.
> Bob
> > Berube, maybe can you give me a quote?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Michael Grass
> > > A266 Trigear
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
I take your point and I agree No.1 is a good number, so no she wont be
at sherburn I will be travelling alone, besides Logan Air have a prior
claim on her until Friday when I collect her from Prestwick (how come
that place gets such a lot of mentions). I will bring my headsets in
case anyone wants to see them. Hope you can make it.
Cheers
Alan
Ps cant wait to hear your "further clarification" in answer to Jeremy's
email about her being too good for him !!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Alan
No offence to Ivor my regular flying partner who has provided every
flying assistance since our first aquaintance, but I told you I was on
the lookout for a female "no.2 " Methinks your Kate would soon need to
be "No 1" though and I told you that the best syndicate constitution was
an odd number the best of which is "ONE". However how much are you
looking for and do the headsets come with her? BTW she's too good for
Davey or Holder! Of course you'll bring her to this weeks Hat Drop? I
may be a little late though so keep my option open ! Regards Bob
Harrison G-PTAG europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
do not archive (for Our Lords sake !)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Well the heading says it all. Kate is a commercial pilot and knows
> what she likes..!
> So far we have bought, David Clarke headsets....ok but not
perfect
> she says
> Then
> DRE ANR headsets....Brill she says
> But then she saw
> Bose Headsets...... Now these she
> likes..!
>
> So does anyone want to buy either some cheap David Clarke's (50 each)
> or some excellent DRE ANR headsets hardly used at (100 each) they are
> like new I promise. If not does anyone want to buy a cheap Co pilot..!
> Cheers Alan
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Trev. Phone No. 01624 661501 office hours or 07624 499639 mobile
Cheers
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trevpond@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DC Headsets
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Hi,
I'd be in the marked for the DRE ANR Headsets. Let me have a phone
number.
Trev Pond
Kit 598
Fuselage complete and waiting for FWF kit and 914 engine (ordered
again!!!!)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
Fred,
For the past four years, I routinely store both parts of Aeropoxy at
temperatures often exceeding 100 degrees F plus (38 Degrees C). I've
noted no ill effect.
I live in Tucson, AZ and I only heat or cool my garage when I'm working.
Summer temperatures often exceed 100 degrees, typically, 100 days a year.
I've experienced "exotherm" when trying to mix large batches of epoxy
(100+ grams, flox in particular), and I sometimes yearn for greater pot
life, but I've had no problems.
GRoberts
A187
Tucson, AZ
wings done
cockpit module installed
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:06:09 -0800 "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have inadventantly cooked a can of resin and hardener overnite at
> a
> temperature which was reading 100 degrees F. this morning.
>
> Any thoughts on whether or not I should or must throw it out?
>
> Fred
> A194
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit module goes in next weekend! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
Brian,
Just did this myself last month. I used self tapping metal screws, but I
set the drag on my drill very low for two reasons:
1. the screws strip out the fiberglass at high torque
2. the screws dimple the fuselage at high torque
I also used bolts with washers and nuts in a few essential places like
the firewall to ensure contact. Screws were installed from inside the
module. I have lots of holes, but very little dimpling. No problem at
all with hardware removal.
Despite tons of great advise, I have voids. No problem. I also have a
drill, a syringe, and a little more Redux. Recommend 4 bodies for the
job. Time gets tight on the Redux pot life.
GRoberts
A187
Tucson
wings done
cockpit in
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:23:55 EDT EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Howdy Gents:
>
> Well, I have been busy this holiday weekend in my shop prepping to
> bond this
> module in next week. Actually took an extra day of vacation Friday
> to spend
> in the shop.
>
> I think by end of day today I'll be comfortable enough to set this
> baby in.
> I have a hoist and will buy a strap come along today for the area
> around the
> head rests.
>
> Naturally... I have questions. John Eckell wrote the he and Steve
> used about
> 600 grams of Araldite < weight without hardener for the module.>
>
> That close to what everyone else experienced?
>
> They also used about 120 #8 X 1/2 sheet metal screws to pull this
> thing
> together. That's a lot!
> How do you get them to release from the Araldite after cure?
>
> Someone mentioned a lot of dimpling from the screws after cure?
> Anyone have a
> fix for that?
>
> I understand the bright light shining under the canoe to check for
> voids.
>
> What method do you use to fill the voids if found?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
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| Subject: | RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close..
And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
Anybody have details, or comments?
Matt Carpenter
A138
Amarillo, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Well the heading says it all. Kate is a commercial pilot and knows what
she likes..!
So far we have bought, David Clarke headsets....ok but not perfect
she says
Then
DRE ANR headsets....Brill she says
But then she saw
Bose Headsets...... Now these she likes..!
So does anyone want to buy either some cheap David Clarke's (50 each)
or some excellent DRE ANR headsets hardly used at (100 each) they are
like new I promise. If not does anyone want to buy a cheap Co pilot..!
Cheers
Alan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S.
Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no
dirt at all.
My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem
engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the
kick-back problem, and I've got one :-(
I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can
be done in turn.
1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting current
2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor
3. Rebuild my sprag clutch.
I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I will
initially test it on the firewall with really short leads.
There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it
won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the
XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger
starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional
width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ? Did
it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying that
it is the same diameter)
I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the
flywheel is quite reasonable.
Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine ?
Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ
after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry.
Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the
flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
Writing with a disfunctional aircraft
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
> The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close..
> And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
>
> Anybody have details, or comments?
Matt
The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another.
The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds.
However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc
modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them -
I have done 88 so far !
However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion
also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with
yet another headset in the drawer.
I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" <david.glauser@xpsystems.com>
I have two pairs. They're great. Very comfortable and quiet. Much better
than my David Clarks. Aviation Consumer did a comparison test several
years back, and rated the Lightspeeds the best buy, IIRC.
dg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carpenter,
Matt
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..!
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
--> <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very
close..
And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
Anybody have details, or comments?
Matt Carpenter
A138
Amarillo, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Richard Hi!
> Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S.
The best guy to talk to is Paddy Clarke who had exactly all your problems a
few months ago and had a new Starter Motor and Sprag Clutch fitted to fix it
albeit a full XS configuration. The Engine had approximately 250 hours
He is out of country at moment but will be back at weekend.
Expect a price tag of about 800+ to complete that upgrade.
Paddy's e-mail is paddyclarke@lineone.net
In an effort to get something positive across.... It dont arf start now!
Another Friend at Shobdon, Graham Shimmin had the first real occurrence of
this with his 912S Banbi last year. Same problem, same fix.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
> which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
> anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
Could be.
The orange plastic bag, marked 877076, contains (in addition to the screwdriver,
allen wrench and tube spanner and tommy bar) a threaded rod about 50mm long,
possibly M8, with a round spigot machined on one end and a hex socket in the
other end. Not marked with a part number, nowhere to put one really.
Does this sound a candidate ?
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kjell Andersson" <kjell.s.andersson@telia.com>
OK,
Is the machine still for sale?
kjell
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Frn: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Fr Peter Grant
Skickat: den 7 september 2004 08:45
Till: europa-list@matronics.com
mne: RE: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
September)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant"
--> <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Sounds interesting to me!
Regards
Peter Grant
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
10 The Sidings, Horncastle LN9 5UA
Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
G-OGAN Europa TriGear Build No: 100
Rebuilt after serious prang with long XS wings and Airmaster VP prop.
Rotax 912S. 150 hours. This email is intended for the sole use of the
addressee. If you have received this email in error, please contact the
sender and delete the message. Sorry, no liability for misuse of this
email however caused. Outgoing emails are automatically checked by
Norton Anti-Virus.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
September)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
A number of DOTHers have expressed an interest in the "Last of the
Summer Wine", end of season, long weekend trip to France, so I am
suggesting we might like to arrange it for Thursday 23rd to Sunday 26th
September. Last year we chased the good weather and visited Chauvigny,
Bergerac, Ill-Doleron, and Honfleur. Most enjoyable with lots of summer
wine. If anybody is interested, please drop me a line, or phone on 01495
785 499. Best wishes, William
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| Subject: | Re: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I currently have some LightSpeed 25's and in my Comanche they work great. I
have had some problems with them in my Europa due to RF break through,
however when they do work the improvement is not as noticable as when I use
them in my Comanche, I assume that this is becuse they are tailored for
lower frequency attenuation and I suspect that the Rotax has more high
frequency component in its noise profile.
I'd be interested in some real world experience from others, has anyone done
any subjective in cockpit side by side evaluations of different headsets ?
I suspect for the noise profile of a Rotax there may well be products out
there that perform beter.
Paul
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| Subject: | Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" <genottes@wi.rr.com>
Humph! Another opportunity to collect on my Builder's insurance policy shot
to hell!.
:-p
El Roto
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Subject: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Just a note to the 20 or so builders who have aircraft at Flight Crafters
and at our hangars in Zephyrhills. We have weathered Frances very well with
no damage to the buildings, hangars or aircraft. We will be back at our
shop tomorrow as we have electrical power and with some clean up should be
back to normal.
Bob Berube & Russel Lepre
Flight Crafters
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" <mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
Thanks for the info about Headsets Inc.
I am looking at it now, and would be MUCH less expensive!
Matt Carpenter
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
> The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very
close..
> And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
>
> Anybody have details, or comments?
Matt
The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another.
The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds.
However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc
modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them -
I have done 88 so far !
However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion
also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with
yet another headset in the drawer.
I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Richard,
> Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
> Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
> changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how
the
> flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
>
> I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
The 912 manuals can be downloaded at :
http://www.kodiakbs.com/
Tech info => 912 Heavy maintenance
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | Re: ANR Headsets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
As you have very subtly advertised your conversions on the forum, no doubt
you will be able to offer a handsome discount to fellow Europa owners?!
Not tried ANR in a Europa, but even good passive sets are so quite that
sleep or fly has to be a conscious decision!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> > I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
> > The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very
close..
> > And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
> >
> > Anybody have details, or comments?
>
> Matt
>
> The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another.
>
> The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds.
>
> However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets
Inc
> modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install
them -
> I have done 88 so far !
>
> However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the
conversion
> also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up
with
> yet another headset in the drawer.
>
> I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-)
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Richard,
I am sure that we have been here before.
Try the following:-
!. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the
starter.
2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over.
3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto
switched in.
You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever.
I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and had
the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that
tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch.
He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been
able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate!
The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when
switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs
drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine
stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I
am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter
after 285 hours
Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you
can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New
switches, or new sprag clutches.
Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S.
>
> Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no
> dirt at all.
>
> My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem
> engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the
> kick-back problem, and I've got one :-(
>
> I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can
> be done in turn.
>
> 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting
current
>
> 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor
>
> 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch.
>
> I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I
will
> initially test it on the firewall with really short leads.
>
> There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it
> won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the
> XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger
> starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional
> width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ?
Did
> it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying
that
> it is the same diameter)
>
> I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the
> flywheel is quite reasonable.
>
> Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine
?
> Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ
> after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry.
>
> Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
> Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
> changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how
the
> flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
>
> I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
>
> The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
> which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
> anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
>
> Writing with a disfunctional aircraft
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
John, That's the beast. If you need to take the gearbox off you screw that
into the hole at upper port front of engine that is revealed by removing a
plug. You slowly turn the crankshaft until you find that the locking screw
will advance into a depression. Took me two days to find the tool and where
to put it, and then about 15 mins to get the gear box off. Incidentally if
you are removing the gear box you need a monstrous large ring spanner which
I was obliged to buy (over 50!) and would happily loan to anyone in UK.
David Joyce
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> > The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240
880)
> > which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
> > anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
>
> Could be.
>
> The orange plastic bag, marked 877076, contains (in addition to the
screwdriver,
> allen wrench and tube spanner and tommy bar) a threaded rod about 50mm
long,
> possibly M8, with a round spigot machined on one end and a hex socket in
the
> other end. Not marked with a part number, nowhere to put one really.
>
> Does this sound a candidate ?
>
> John Cliff
> #0259
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| Subject: | Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
I could toss it into the wind when crazy Ivan shows up!!!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Eileen
Genotte
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte"
<genottes@wi.rr.com>
Humph! Another opportunity to collect on my Builder's insurance policy shot
to hell!.
:-p
El Roto
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Subject: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Just a note to the 20 or so builders who have aircraft at Flight Crafters
and at our hangars in Zephyrhills. We have weathered Frances very well with
no damage to the buildings, hangars or aircraft. We will be back at our
shop tomorrow as we have electrical power and with some clean up should be
back to normal.
Bob Berube & Russel Lepre
Flight Crafters
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
bryan allsop wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>Richard,
>I am sure that we have been here before.
>
>Try the following:-
>!. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the
>starter.
>2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over.
>3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto
>switched in.
>You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever.
>
>I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and had
>the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that
>tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch.
>He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been
>able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate!
>
>The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when
>switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs
>drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine
>stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I
>am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter
>after 285 hours
>
>Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you
>can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New
>switches, or new sprag clutches.
>
>Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA
>
>
>
While on the subject of separate ignition switches and mags, and taking
into account some of the advice offered on this board, I've decided to
use a standard marine ignition switch on my bird, separating it from the
mags, which will be controlled by two rockers. The ignition (or "on")
lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the trim power, so that when
the switch is on, the trim power will be on and hooked directly to the
battery, via the starter switch. This will isolate the trim from all
other circuits and will allow me to turn it off, with the switch.
--
Jeff - A055
Fuse is finally out of the cradle
Http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
I am one of those that has purchased the expensive key switch with both
mags on before contact. After reading this I'm wondering about going
the inexpensive way and sending it back. Anyone else out there with
this same solution? Just wondering before I install it.
Jeff
A258
Sanding primer on then off daily, but man what a smooth finish!
>
> Try the following:-
> !. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with
> the
> starter.
> 2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over.
> 3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second
> magneto
> switched in.
> You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last
> forever.
>
> I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and
> had
> the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for
> that
> tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag
> clutch.
> He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had
> been
> able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not
> separate!
>
> The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when
> switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the
> revs
> drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine
> stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me.
> Incidentally, I
> am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original
> starter
> after 285 hours
>
> Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches
> you
> can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice.
> New
> switches, or new sprag clutches.
>
> Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>> <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>>
>> Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S.
>>
>> Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect
>> - no
>> dirt at all.
>>
>> My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem
>> engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up
>> with the
>> kick-back problem, and I've got one :-(
>>
>> I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions
>> which can
>> be done in turn.
>>
>> 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting
> current
>>
>> 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor
>>
>> 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch.
>>
>> I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working
>> I
> will
>> initially test it on the firewall with really short leads.
>>
>> There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that
>> it
>> won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage
>> with the
>> XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the
>> bigger
>> starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little
>> additional
>> width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter
>> motors ?
> Did
>> it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying
> that
>> it is the same diameter)
>>
>> I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access
>> to the
>> flywheel is quite reasonable.
>>
>> Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the
>> engine
> ?
>> Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in
>> situ
>> after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry.
>>
>> Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
>> Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
>> changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of
>> how
> the
>> flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
>>
>> I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
>>
>> The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240
>> 880)
>> which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine".
>> Does
>> anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
>>
>> Writing with a disfunctional aircraft
>>
>> Richard
>> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
>> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
>> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
>> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
>> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
>> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>>
>>
>
>
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> _-
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> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Rocketman wrote:
> The ignition (or "on") lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the
trim power, so that when the switch is on, the trim power will be on and
hooked directly to the battery, via the starter switch. This will
isolate the trim from all other circuits and will allow me to turn it
off, with the switch.
Jeff,
Not familiar with the marine switch you mentioned but does your set-up
mean that in the event of a run away trim condition, if you use this
switch to stop it, the engine will be turned off too?
Just wondering.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Yes , Paul. I had the opportunity to swap my Lightspeed Crosscountry 2 with my
copilot's higher priced ANR model which he uses in his Mooney. Maybe I was biased
but mine seemed a lot quieter and using his I seemed to be getting quite a
bit of what sounded like windnoise as well.
Someone else had mentioned that the Cross Country II was the best for the Rotax.
Maybe some day someone will bring out a headset that can re-compute the signature
at any time for perfect attenuation.
Karl C-FIRS
From: "Paul McAllister" paul.mcallister@qia.net
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..!
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" paul.mcallister@qia.net
Hi all,
I currently have some LightSpeed 25's and in my Comanche they work great.I
have had some problems with them in my Europa due to RF break through,
however when they do work the improvement is not as noticable as when I use
them in my Comanche,I assume that this is becuse they are tailored for
lower frequency attenuation and I suspect that the Rotax has more high
frequency component in its noise profile.
I'd be interested in some real world experience from others, has anyone done
any subjective in cockpit side by side evaluations ofdifferent headsets ?
I suspect for the noise profile of a Rotax there may well be products out
there that perform beter.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 09/06/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 06/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
><scrounge69@comcast.net>
>Subject: Europa-List: glider wings for sale?
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
>
>Marty, Tom ,John and any other interested parties. I just started to think
>about selling the glider wings when I got back on the list and learned that
>Europa was having problems.
>I really don't know what they are worth the control surfaces all layed up but
>not finished.
I don't know your situation Chris, but your glider wings are VALUABLE. A
Europa with long wings is,
1. unique
2 performs like a dream
3 nice to fly
If you don't have the rest of the kit it might likely become available soon.
Graham
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| Subject: | Cockpit module installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 06/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>VERY IMPORTANT: The module must be as far forward as possible. You probably
>have to file both the fuselage and the module in order to have them flush.
>If not you will have problem when you are installing the FL15
>for the flaps. I have 1 mm space between FL15 and the Cockpit module when
>flaps are in up position.
I always like to see the flaps up slightly negative. Look at a correct
digital drawing of Don's airfoil and you will see that the trailing edge is
slightly reflexed. Top surface is hollow and bottom slightly convex. Just
like most gliders.This reduces the drag in the cruise.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Bryan,
I have one of those expensive all-in-one starter switches, but I am using John
Hurst's technique of spinning the engine - then pulling the choke, and I get a
smooth start every time. I will also adopt your technique for shutdown.
Karl
From: "bryan allsop" info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back
-- Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk
Richard,
I am sure that we have been here before.
Try the following:-
!. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the
starter.
2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over.
3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto
switched in.
You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever.
I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, andhad
the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that
tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch.
He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been
able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate!
The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when
switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs
drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine
stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I
am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter
after 285 hours
Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you
can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New
switches, or new sprag clutches.
Hope that this helps. Best regards. BryanG-BYSA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" rholder@avnet.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting
-- Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder rholder@avnet.co.uk
Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S.
Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no
dirt at all.
My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem
engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the
kick-back problem, and I've got one :-(
I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can
be done in turn.
1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting
current
2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor
3. Rebuild my sprag clutch.
I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I
will
initially test it on the firewall with really short leads.
There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it
won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the
XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger
starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional
width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ?
Did
it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying
that
it is the same diameter)
I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the
flywheel is quite reasonable.
Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine
?
Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ
after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry.
Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how
the
flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
Writing with a disfunctional aircraft
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts,07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Kingsley Hurst wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
>Rocketman wrote:
>
>
>>The ignition (or "on") lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the
>>
>>
>trim power, so that when the switch is on, the trim power will be on and
>hooked directly to the battery, via the starter switch. This will
>isolate the trim from all other circuits and will allow me to turn it
>off, with the switch.
>
>Jeff,
>
>Not familiar with the marine switch you mentioned but does your set-up
>mean that in the event of a run away trim condition, if you use this
>switch to stop it, the engine will be turned off too?
>Just wondering.
>
>Regards
>Kingsley Hurst
>Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
>
>
>
Kingsley,
All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the
trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and
the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate
circuit and would be unaffected by the switch...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Schultz" <Rschultz5@houston.rr.com>
I have used the Headset Inc. conversions in my David Clarks and think they
are great. I have been using them for years and I have included their power
adapter hard-wired in to my Europa. I hope to have in the air this year if
the STORMS would just leave the guys in Florida alone for a few more weeks!
Rich Schultz
A262 - Soon to be flying one way or the other!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carpenter, Matt
Subject: RE: Europa-List: ANR Headsets
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt"
<mcarpenter@concordefs.com>
Thanks for the info about Headsets Inc.
I am looking at it now, and would be MUCH less expensive!
Matt Carpenter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets..
> The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very
close..
> And the Price.. well about 500$ less!
>
> Anybody have details, or comments?
Matt
The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another.
The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds.
However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc
modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them -
I have done 88 so far !
However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion
also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with
yet another headset in the drawer.
I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-)
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the cockpitmudule |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Thanks, it showed up today via mail.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Dan, Roger,
>
> I also had to call the administrator. Just dial from the US 01144 1377
> 257788 and ask for Stephanie Coulter. She will ask for your address and
then
> send you the claim form. Sorry, no Email form.
>
> Regards
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear
> Detroit, Mi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison"
> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
> >
> > Forget email, it didn't work for me. Call them direct and talk to
> someone.
> > I finally got mine that way. Not that it will make much difference I
> > suspect.
> >
> > craig ellison
> > silverton, OR
> > painting things and wishing I had my FWF bits to mount the engine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Lidtka" <rogerlid@YAHOO.COM>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka <rogerlid@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Me too.
> > >
> > > Roger Lidtka
> > > Kit A253
> > > Kent, WA
> > >
> > > Dan Bish - N914RB <N914RB@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB"
> > >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim
> form.
> > > Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on
it?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
> > > A144
> > > Tucson, AZ
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Grass"
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
> > > >
> > > > Hi fellow Europa builders,
> > > >
> > > > I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They
> request
> > > the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire
> > wall
> > > forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas
> and
> > I
> > > have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument
> > module.
> > > Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to
> > > Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version.
> > > >
> > > > Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument
> > > module?
> > > >
> > > > I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full
instrument
> > > module on their old website but the new one does not offer one
anymore.
> > Bob
> > > Berube, maybe can you give me a quote?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > Michael Grass
> > > > A266 Trigear
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Kingsley,
>
> All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the
> trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and
> the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate
> circuit and would be unaffected by the switch...
The mags do not need ANY connection to the battery. They are independent.
IF you could hand swing it (and that is IF) the Rotax would start without a
battery connected if the mag switches were on.
I know there is uncertainty about hand swinging. In theory it can't be done
- in practise it seems that it HAS been done.
In the case of my Rotax - at the moment it wouldn't start - period :-(
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Recommendation from Tom Paul |
--> Europa-List message posted by: tom@tompaul.com
Tom Paul recommends the following Barnstormers classified ad (click on link)
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212
i hate to do it, but here it is. my kit is for sale.
AOL users, use this link:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212
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| Subject: | XS Mono for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
It seems i can't fit my life around building and safely maintaining a
europa at his time. Maybe some day, but i am going to let it go for
now. My Europa is for sale. Please see the ad on barnstormers:
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212
thanks,
tom paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Jeff wrote:
> Kingsley,
> All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the
trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and
the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate
circuit and would be unaffected by the switch...
Thanks Jeff, I should have studied what you said in a little more
detail.
Regards
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Richard Holder wrote :-
> The mags do not need ANY connection to the battery. They are
independent.
Thanks Richard, I'm well aware of this. My problem was I simply didn't
stop to read Jeff's posting properly.
Good luck with your starting problems and l look forward to your telling
us what you eventually find out.
Regards
Kingsley
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com
Hi Richard.
I have the locking pin and the maintenance manual, both of which came with
the engine. If you have the manual, there is a picture on page 05-50-00, page 3
which shows where you put the pin in.
I came across it as I'm approaching 25 engine hours and was looking to see
what needs to be done at the 25 hour check. From the manual - just about
everything! Including checking backlash and friction torque, which needs you to
lock the engine using the pin.
Regards, Roddy Kesterton
In a message dated 07/09/2004 17:07:08 GMT Standard Time,
rholder@avnet.co.uk writes:
Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax
Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil
changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the
flywheel and sprag clutch interact ?
I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-)
The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
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