---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/07/04: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:31 AM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Roger Lidtka) 2. 04:17 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Alan Burrows) 3. 04:20 AM - Re: DC Headsets (Alan Burrows) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: epoxy query (grroberts3@juno.com) 5. 07:51 AM - Re: Cockpit module goes in next weekend! (grroberts3@juno.com) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Carpenter, Matt) 7. 09:06 AM - 912S starting (Richard Holder) 8. 09:20 AM - ANR Headsets (Richard Holder) 9. 09:29 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (David Glauser) 10. 09:59 AM - Re: 912S starting (Gerry Holland) 11. 10:32 AM - Re: 912S starting (John Cliff) 12. 10:35 AM - SV: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) (Kjell Andersson) 13. 10:39 AM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (Paul McAllister) 14. 10:40 AM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Steve & Eileen Genotte) 15. 11:44 AM - Re: ANR Headsets (Carpenter, Matt) 16. 11:59 AM - Re: 912S starting (Gilles Thesee) 17. 12:04 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (Duncan McFadyean) 18. 12:17 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (bryan allsop) 19. 01:03 PM - Re: 912S starting (David Joyce) 20. 01:56 PM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Robert Berube) 21. 02:15 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Rocketman) 22. 02:31 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (JEFF ROBERTS) 23. 03:26 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst) 24. 04:36 PM - Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! (KARL HEINDL) 25. 05:25 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 09/06/04 (Graham Singleton) 26. 05:25 PM - Cockpit module installation (Graham Singleton) 27. 06:19 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (KARL HEINDL) 28. 06:54 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Rocketman) 29. 08:26 PM - Re: ANR Headsets (Richard Schultz) 30. 08:58 PM - Re: Value of the cockpitmudule (Dan Bish - N914RB) 31. 09:35 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Richard Holder) 32. 10:15 PM - Recommendation from Tom Paul (tom@tompaul.com) 33. 10:20 PM - XS Mono for sale (tom@tompaul.com) 34. 10:31 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst) 35. 10:44 PM - Re: 912S Kick Back (Kingsley Hurst) 36. 11:48 PM - Re: 912S starting (RoddyEuropa@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:14 AM PST US From: Roger Lidtka Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka Thanks Michael, Roger Michael Grass wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Dan, Roger, I also had to call the administrator. Just dial from the US 01144 1377 257788 and ask for Stephanie Coulter. She will ask for your address and then send you the claim form. Sorry, no Email form. Regards Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit, Mi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > > Forget email, it didn't work for me. Call them direct and talk to someone. > I finally got mine that way. Not that it will make much difference I > suspect. > > craig ellison > silverton, OR > painting things and wishing I had my FWF bits to mount the engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Lidtka" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka > > > > Me too. > > > > Roger Lidtka > > Kit A253 > > Kent, WA > > > > Dan Bish - N914RB wrote: > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" > > > > Michael, > > > > I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim form. > > Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > A144 > > Tucson, AZ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Grass" > > To: > > Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > > > > > Hi fellow Europa builders, > > > > > > I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They request > > the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire > wall > > forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas and > I > > have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument > module. > > Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to > > Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version. > > > > > > Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument > > module? > > > > > > I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument > > module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore. > Bob > > Berube, maybe can you give me a quote? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Michael Grass > > > A266 Trigear > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:13 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob I take your point and I agree No.1 is a good number, so no she wont be at sherburn I will be travelling alone, besides Logan Air have a prior claim on her until Friday when I collect her from Prestwick (how come that place gets such a lot of mentions). I will bring my headsets in case anyone wants to see them. Hope you can make it. Cheers Alan Ps cant wait to hear your "further clarification" in answer to Jeremy's email about her being too good for him !!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan No offence to Ivor my regular flying partner who has provided every flying assistance since our first aquaintance, but I told you I was on the lookout for a female "no.2 " Methinks your Kate would soon need to be "No 1" though and I told you that the best syndicate constitution was an odd number the best of which is "ONE". However how much are you looking for and do the headsets come with her? BTW she's too good for Davey or Holder! Of course you'll bring her to this weeks Hat Drop? I may be a little late though so keep my option open ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 do not archive (for Our Lords sake !) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > > Well the heading says it all. Kate is a commercial pilot and knows > what she likes..! > So far we have bought, David Clarke headsets....ok but not perfect > she says > Then > DRE ANR headsets....Brill she says > But then she saw > Bose Headsets...... Now these she > likes..! > > So does anyone want to buy either some cheap David Clarke's (50 each) > or some excellent DRE ANR headsets hardly used at (100 each) they are > like new I promise. If not does anyone want to buy a cheap Co pilot..! > Cheers Alan > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:02 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DC Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Trev. Phone No. 01624 661501 office hours or 07624 499639 mobile Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: DC Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com Hi, I'd be in the marked for the DRE ANR Headsets. Let me have a phone number. Trev Pond Kit 598 Fuselage complete and waiting for FWF kit and 914 engine (ordered again!!!!) == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: epoxy query From: grroberts3@juno.com --> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com Fred, For the past four years, I routinely store both parts of Aeropoxy at temperatures often exceeding 100 degrees F plus (38 Degrees C). I've noted no ill effect. I live in Tucson, AZ and I only heat or cool my garage when I'm working. Summer temperatures often exceed 100 degrees, typically, 100 days a year. I've experienced "exotherm" when trying to mix large batches of epoxy (100+ grams, flox in particular), and I sometimes yearn for greater pot life, but I've had no problems. GRoberts A187 Tucson, AZ wings done cockpit module installed On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:06:09 -0800 "Fred R. Klein" writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > > > Hi All, > > I have inadventantly cooked a can of resin and hardener overnite at > a > temperature which was reading 100 degrees F. this morning. > > Any thoughts on whether or not I should or must throw it out? > > Fred > A194 > > > = > = > = > = > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cockpit module goes in next weekend! From: grroberts3@juno.com --> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com Brian, Just did this myself last month. I used self tapping metal screws, but I set the drag on my drill very low for two reasons: 1. the screws strip out the fiberglass at high torque 2. the screws dimple the fuselage at high torque I also used bolts with washers and nuts in a few essential places like the firewall to ensure contact. Screws were installed from inside the module. I have lots of holes, but very little dimpling. No problem at all with hardware removal. Despite tons of great advise, I have voids. No problem. I also have a drill, a syringe, and a little more Redux. Recommend 4 bodies for the job. Time gets tight on the Redux pot life. GRoberts A187 Tucson wings done cockpit in On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:23:55 EDT EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Howdy Gents: > > Well, I have been busy this holiday weekend in my shop prepping to > bond this > module in next week. Actually took an extra day of vacation Friday > to spend > in the shop. > > I think by end of day today I'll be comfortable enough to set this > baby in. > I have a hoist and will buy a strap come along today for the area > around the > head rests. > > Naturally... I have questions. John Eckell wrote the he and Steve > used about > 600 grams of Araldite < weight without hardener for the module.> > > That close to what everyone else experienced? > > They also used about 120 #8 X 1/2 sheet metal screws to pull this > thing > together. That's a lot! > How do you get them to release from the Araldite after cure? > > Someone mentioned a lot of dimpling from the screws after cure? > Anyone have a > fix for that? > > I understand the bright light shining under the canoe to check for > voids. > > What method do you use to fill the voids if found? > > Thanks in advance > > Brian S > A276 Tri Gear. Texas > See my build photos at: > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS > > > = > = > = > = > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:31 AM PST US From: "Carpenter, Matt" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. And the Price.. well about 500$ less! Anybody have details, or comments? Matt Carpenter A138 Amarillo, Texas -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Well the heading says it all. Kate is a commercial pilot and knows what she likes..! So far we have bought, David Clarke headsets....ok but not perfect she says Then DRE ANR headsets....Brill she says But then she saw Bose Headsets...... Now these she likes..! So does anyone want to buy either some cheap David Clarke's (50 each) or some excellent DRE ANR headsets hardly used at (100 each) they are like new I promise. If not does anyone want to buy a cheap Co pilot..! Cheers Alan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S. Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no dirt at all. My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the kick-back problem, and I've got one :-( I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can be done in turn. 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting current 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch. I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I will initially test it on the firewall with really short leads. There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ? Did it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying that it is the same diameter) I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the flywheel is quite reasonable. Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine ? Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry. Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! Writing with a disfunctional aircraft Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. > The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. > And the Price.. well about 500$ less! > > Anybody have details, or comments? Matt The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another. The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds. However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them - I have done 88 so far ! However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with yet another headset in the drawer. I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-) Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! From: "David Glauser" --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Glauser" I have two pairs. They're great. Very comfortable and quiet. Much better than my David Clarks. Aviation Consumer did a comparison test several years back, and rated the Lightspeeds the best buy, IIRC. dg -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carpenter, Matt Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" --> I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. And the Price.. well about 500$ less! Anybody have details, or comments? Matt Carpenter A138 Amarillo, Texas ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starting From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Richard Hi! > Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S. The best guy to talk to is Paddy Clarke who had exactly all your problems a few months ago and had a new Starter Motor and Sprag Clutch fitted to fix it albeit a full XS configuration. The Engine had approximately 250 hours He is out of country at moment but will be back at weekend. Expect a price tag of about 800+ to complete that upgrade. Paddy's e-mail is paddyclarke@lineone.net In an effort to get something positive across.... It dont arf start now! Another Friend at Shobdon, Graham Shimmin had the first real occurrence of this with his 912S Banbi last year. Same problem, same fix. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:36 AM PST US From: "John Cliff" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starting --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) > which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does > anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! Could be. The orange plastic bag, marked 877076, contains (in addition to the screwdriver, allen wrench and tube spanner and tommy bar) a threaded rod about 50mm long, possibly M8, with a round spigot machined on one end and a hex socket in the other end. Not marked with a part number, nowhere to put one really. Does this sound a candidate ? John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:27 AM PST US From: "Kjell Andersson" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kjell Andersson" OK, Is the machine still for sale? kjell -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Frn: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Fr Peter Grant Skickat: den 7 september 2004 08:45 Till: europa-list@matronics.com mne: RE: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" --> Sounds interesting to me! Regards Peter Grant +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 10 The Sidings, Horncastle LN9 5UA Tel: 01507 523180 Fax: 01507 525888 Mobile: 07774 923160 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ G-OGAN Europa TriGear Build No: 100 Rebuilt after serious prang with long XS wings and Airmaster VP prop. Rotax 912S. 150 hours. This email is intended for the sole use of the addressee. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the message. Sorry, no liability for misuse of this email however caused. Outgoing emails are automatically checked by Norton Anti-Virus. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" A number of DOTHers have expressed an interest in the "Last of the Summer Wine", end of season, long weekend trip to France, so I am suggesting we might like to arrange it for Thursday 23rd to Sunday 26th September. Last year we chased the good weather and visited Chauvigny, Bergerac, Ill-Doleron, and Honfleur. Most enjoyable with lots of summer wine. If anybody is interested, please drop me a line, or phone on 01495 785 499. Best wishes, William == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:10 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, I currently have some LightSpeed 25's and in my Comanche they work great. I have had some problems with them in my Europa due to RF break through, however when they do work the improvement is not as noticable as when I use them in my Comanche, I assume that this is becuse they are tailored for lower frequency attenuation and I suspect that the Rotax has more high frequency component in its noise profile. I'd be interested in some real world experience from others, has anyone done any subjective in cockpit side by side evaluations of different headsets ? I suspect for the noise profile of a Rotax there may well be products out there that perform beter. Paul ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:42 AM PST US From: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Humph! Another opportunity to collect on my Builder's insurance policy shot to hell!. :-p El Roto -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Berube Subject: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Just a note to the 20 or so builders who have aircraft at Flight Crafters and at our hangars in Zephyrhills. We have weathered Frances very well with no damage to the buildings, hangars or aircraft. We will be back at our shop tomorrow as we have electrical power and with some clean up should be back to normal. Bob Berube & Russel Lepre Flight Crafters ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:57 AM PST US From: "Carpenter, Matt" Subject: RE: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" Thanks for the info about Headsets Inc. I am looking at it now, and would be MUCH less expensive! Matt Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. > The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. > And the Price.. well about 500$ less! > > Anybody have details, or comments? Matt The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another. The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds. However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them - I have done 88 so far ! However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with yet another headset in the drawer. I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-) Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:59 AM PST US From: "Gilles Thesee" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" Richard, > Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax > Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil > changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the > flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? > > I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) The 912 manuals can be downloaded at : http://www.kodiakbs.com/ Tech info => 912 Heavy maintenance Hope this helps, Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:07 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" As you have very subtly advertised your conversions on the forum, no doubt you will be able to offer a handsome discount to fellow Europa owners?! Not tried ANR in a Europa, but even good passive sets are so quite that sleep or fly has to be a conscious decision! Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > > > I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. > > The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. > > And the Price.. well about 500$ less! > > > > Anybody have details, or comments? > > Matt > > The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another. > > The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds. > > However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc > modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them - > I have done 88 so far ! > > However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion > also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with > yet another headset in the drawer. > > I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-) > > Richard > Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) > Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) > Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) > SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk > Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross > PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 PM PST US From: "bryan allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" Richard, I am sure that we have been here before. Try the following:- !. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the starter. 2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over. 3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto switched in. You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever. I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and had the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch. He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate! The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter after 285 hours Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New switches, or new sprag clutches. Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > > Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S. > > Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no > dirt at all. > > My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem > engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the > kick-back problem, and I've got one :-( > > I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can > be done in turn. > > 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting current > > 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor > > 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch. > > I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I will > initially test it on the firewall with really short leads. > > There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it > won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the > XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger > starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional > width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ? Did > it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying that > it is the same diameter) > > I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the > flywheel is quite reasonable. > > Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine ? > Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ > after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry. > > Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax > Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil > changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the > flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? > > I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) > > The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) > which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does > anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! > > Writing with a disfunctional aircraft > > Richard > Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) > Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) > Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) > SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk > Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross > PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:10 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starting --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" John, That's the beast. If you need to take the gearbox off you screw that into the hole at upper port front of engine that is revealed by removing a plug. You slowly turn the crankshaft until you find that the locking screw will advance into a depression. Took me two days to find the tool and where to put it, and then about 15 mins to get the gear box off. Incidentally if you are removing the gear box you need a monstrous large ring spanner which I was obliged to buy (over 50!) and would happily loan to anyone in UK. David Joyce > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > > > The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) > > which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does > > anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! > > Could be. > > The orange plastic bag, marked 877076, contains (in addition to the screwdriver, > allen wrench and tube spanner and tommy bar) a threaded rod about 50mm long, > possibly M8, with a round spigot machined on one end and a hex socket in the > other end. Not marked with a part number, nowhere to put one really. > > Does this sound a candidate ? > > John Cliff > #0259 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:50 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" I could toss it into the wind when crazy Ivan shows up!!! Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Eileen Genotte Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Humph! Another opportunity to collect on my Builder's insurance policy shot to hell!. :-p El Roto -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Berube Subject: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Just a note to the 20 or so builders who have aircraft at Flight Crafters and at our hangars in Zephyrhills. We have weathered Frances very well with no damage to the buildings, hangars or aircraft. We will be back at our shop tomorrow as we have electrical power and with some clean up should be back to normal. Bob Berube & Russel Lepre Flight Crafters ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:41 PM PST US From: Rocketman Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman bryan allsop wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" > >Richard, >I am sure that we have been here before. > >Try the following:- >!. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the >starter. >2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over. >3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto >switched in. >You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever. > >I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and had >the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that >tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch. >He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been >able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate! > >The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when >switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs >drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine >stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I >am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter >after 285 hours > >Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you >can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New >switches, or new sprag clutches. > >Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA > > > While on the subject of separate ignition switches and mags, and taking into account some of the advice offered on this board, I've decided to use a standard marine ignition switch on my bird, separating it from the mags, which will be controlled by two rockers. The ignition (or "on") lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the trim power, so that when the switch is on, the trim power will be on and hooked directly to the battery, via the starter switch. This will isolate the trim from all other circuits and will allow me to turn it off, with the switch. -- Jeff - A055 Fuse is finally out of the cradle Http://www.N55XS.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:01 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS I am one of those that has purchased the expensive key switch with both mags on before contact. After reading this I'm wondering about going the inexpensive way and sending it back. Anyone else out there with this same solution? Just wondering before I install it. Jeff A258 Sanding primer on then off daily, but man what a smooth finish! > > Try the following:- > !. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with > the > starter. > 2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over. > 3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second > magneto > switched in. > You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last > forever. > > I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and > had > the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for > that > tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag > clutch. > He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had > been > able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not > separate! > > The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when > switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the > revs > drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine > stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. > Incidentally, I > am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original > starter > after 285 hours > > Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches > you > can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. > New > switches, or new sprag clutches. > > Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Holder" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder >> >> >> Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S. >> >> Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect >> - no >> dirt at all. >> >> My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem >> engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up >> with the >> kick-back problem, and I've got one :-( >> >> I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions >> which can >> be done in turn. >> >> 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting > current >> >> 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor >> >> 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch. >> >> I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working >> I > will >> initially test it on the firewall with really short leads. >> >> There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that >> it >> won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage >> with the >> XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the >> bigger >> starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little >> additional >> width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter >> motors ? > Did >> it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying > that >> it is the same diameter) >> >> I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access >> to the >> flywheel is quite reasonable. >> >> Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the >> engine > ? >> Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in >> situ >> after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry. >> >> Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax >> Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil >> changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of >> how > the >> flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? >> >> I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) >> >> The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 >> 880) >> which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". >> Does >> anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! >> >> Writing with a disfunctional aircraft >> >> Richard >> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) >> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) >> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) >> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk >> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross >> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:50 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Rocketman wrote: > The ignition (or "on") lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the trim power, so that when the switch is on, the trim power will be on and hooked directly to the battery, via the starter switch. This will isolate the trim from all other circuits and will allow me to turn it off, with the switch. Jeff, Not familiar with the marine switch you mentioned but does your set-up mean that in the event of a run away trim condition, if you use this switch to stop it, the engine will be turned off too? Just wondering. Regards Kingsley Hurst Mono Classic 281 in Oz. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:36 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Yes , Paul. I had the opportunity to swap my Lightspeed Crosscountry 2 with my copilot's higher priced ANR model which he uses in his Mooney. Maybe I was biased but mine seemed a lot quieter and using his I seemed to be getting quite a bit of what sounded like windnoise as well. Someone else had mentioned that the Cross Country II was the best for the Rotax. Maybe some day someone will bring out a headset that can re-compute the signature at any time for perfect attenuation. Karl C-FIRS From: "Paul McAllister" paul.mcallister@qia.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! -- Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" paul.mcallister@qia.net Hi all, I currently have some LightSpeed 25's and in my Comanche they work great.I have had some problems with them in my Europa due to RF break through, however when they do work the improvement is not as noticable as when I use them in my Comanche,I assume that this is becuse they are tailored for lower frequency attenuation and I suspect that the Rotax has more high frequency component in its noise profile. I'd be interested in some real world experience from others, has anyone done any subjective in cockpit side by side evaluations ofdifferent headsets ? I suspect for the noise profile of a Rotax there may well be products out there that perform beter. Paul ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 09/06/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 06/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Subject: Europa-List: glider wings for sale? > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" > >Marty, Tom ,John and any other interested parties. I just started to think >about selling the glider wings when I got back on the list and learned that >Europa was having problems. >I really don't know what they are worth the control surfaces all layed up but >not finished. I don't know your situation Chris, but your glider wings are VALUABLE. A Europa with long wings is, 1. unique 2 performs like a dream 3 nice to fly If you don't have the rest of the kit it might likely become available soon. Graham ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Cockpit module installation --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 06/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >VERY IMPORTANT: The module must be as far forward as possible. You probably >have to file both the fuselage and the module in order to have them flush. >If not you will have problem when you are installing the FL15 >for the flaps. I have 1 mm space between FL15 and the Cockpit module when >flaps are in up position. I always like to see the flaps up slightly negative. Look at a correct digital drawing of Don's airfoil and you will see that the trailing edge is slightly reflexed. Top surface is hollow and bottom slightly convex. Just like most gliders.This reduces the drag in the cruise. Graham ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:46 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Bryan, I have one of those expensive all-in-one starter switches, but I am using John Hurst's technique of spinning the engine - then pulling the choke, and I get a smooth start every time. I will also adopt your technique for shutdown. Karl From: "bryan allsop" info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back -- Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk Richard, I am sure that we have been here before. Try the following:- !. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the starter. 2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over. 3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto switched in. You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever. I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, andhad the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag clutch. He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not separate! The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the revs drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter after 285 hours Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New switches, or new sprag clutches. Hope that this helps. Best regards. BryanG-BYSA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" rholder@avnet.co.uk Subject: Europa-List: 912S starting -- Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder rholder@avnet.co.uk Continuing the saga of my completely-non-starting-912S. Well, I spent the morning stripping out the carbs. They were perfect - no dirt at all. My starting failures now seem to have joined the array of 912S problem engines. It would seem that about 1 in 20 of these engines end up with the kick-back problem, and I've got one :-( I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can be done in turn. 1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting current 2. Fit the Rotax solution which is a higher powered starter motor 3. Rebuild my sprag clutch. I have ordered #1 and to be certain it has the best chance of working I will initially test it on the firewall with really short leads. There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it won't fit and I have heard it will fit. I have a Classic fuselage with the XS firewall forward set-up. Has anyone got the dimensions of the bigger starter motor ? I have plenty of length available but little additional width. Better still - has anyone installed one of these starter motors ? Did it come with a new support strap, or did it use the original (implying that it is the same diameter) I have removed the blanking plate on the back of the engine. Access to the flywheel is quite reasonable. Can the starter motor be removed and replaced without removing the engine ? Can the flywheel be removed in situ ? Can the sprag clutch be done in situ after removing the flywheel ? Loads of questions - sorry. Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it ! Writing with a disfunctional aircraft Richard Richard F.W. Holder01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts,07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:12 PM PST US From: Rocketman Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman Kingsley Hurst wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > >Rocketman wrote: > > >>The ignition (or "on") lug on the starter switch will be hooked to the >> >> >trim power, so that when the switch is on, the trim power will be on and >hooked directly to the battery, via the starter switch. This will >isolate the trim from all other circuits and will allow me to turn it >off, with the switch. > >Jeff, > >Not familiar with the marine switch you mentioned but does your set-up >mean that in the event of a run away trim condition, if you use this >switch to stop it, the engine will be turned off too? >Just wondering. > >Regards >Kingsley Hurst >Mono Classic 281 in Oz. > > > Kingsley, All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate circuit and would be unaffected by the switch... -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:59 PM PST US From: "Richard Schultz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Schultz" I have used the Headset Inc. conversions in my David Clarks and think they are great. I have been using them for years and I have included their power adapter hard-wired in to my Europa. I hope to have in the air this year if the STORMS would just leave the guys in Florida alone for a few more weeks! Rich Schultz A262 - Soon to be flying one way or the other! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carpenter, Matt Subject: RE: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carpenter, Matt" Thanks for the info about Headsets Inc. I am looking at it now, and would be MUCH less expensive! Matt Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: ANR Headsets --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > I have been looking at some LightSpeed ANR Headsets.. > The performance figures between the LightSpeed and the Bose are very close.. > And the Price.. well about 500$ less! > > Anybody have details, or comments? Matt The performance figures are one thing - the actual performance is another. The Bose are very comfortable. So are the Lightspeeds. However I find that the best ANR aural performance is from the Headsets Inc modification for ordinary headsets. I am a little biased as I install them - I have done 88 so far ! However others tell me the same. As well as the reduced price the conversion also can be done to (almost) any ordinary headset, so you don't end up with yet another headset in the drawer. I rather hope that others with concur with my statement :-) Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:07 PM PST US From: "Dan Bish - N914RB" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" Thanks, it showed up today via mail. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > Dan, Roger, > > I also had to call the administrator. Just dial from the US 01144 1377 > 257788 and ask for Stephanie Coulter. She will ask for your address and then > send you the claim form. Sorry, no Email form. > > Regards > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear > Detroit, Mi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Ellison" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > > > > > Forget email, it didn't work for me. Call them direct and talk to > someone. > > I finally got mine that way. Not that it will make much difference I > > suspect. > > > > craig ellison > > silverton, OR > > painting things and wishing I had my FWF bits to mount the engine > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roger Lidtka" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Lidtka > > > > > > Me too. > > > > > > Roger Lidtka > > > Kit A253 > > > Kent, WA > > > > > > Dan Bish - N914RB wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > I haven't gotten a response to my 3 emails regarding getting a claim > form. > > > Is it something that's easy to email and, if so, can you copy me on it? > > > Thanks, > > > Dan > > > A144 > > > Tucson, AZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Grass" > > > To: > > > Subject: Europa-List: Value of the cockpitmudule > > > > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > > > > > > > Hi fellow Europa builders, > > > > > > > > I just got my creditors questionnaire from Redman Nichols. They > request > > > the amount of the open claim. The only items (beside the complete fire > > wall > > > forward package) I am missing, like many others too, is the Plexiglas > and > > I > > > have a value for those. The other outstanding item is my instrument > > module. > > > Somebody else is lucky and got mine after I send instrument module to > > > Lakeland in march for an exchange towards the trigear version. > > > > > > > > Now my question. Does anybody know the fair value of the instrument > > > module? > > > > > > > > I know Flight Crafters used to have a price for their full instrument > > > module on their old website but the new one does not offer one anymore. > > Bob > > > Berube, maybe can you give me a quote? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Michael Grass > > > > A266 Trigear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > > Kingsley, > > All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the > trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and > the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate > circuit and would be unaffected by the switch... The mags do not need ANY connection to the battery. They are independent. IF you could hand swing it (and that is IF) the Rotax would start without a battery connected if the mag switches were on. I know there is uncertainty about hand swinging. In theory it can't be done - in practise it seems that it HAS been done. In the case of my Rotax - at the moment it wouldn't start - period :-( Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:48 PM PST US From: tom@tompaul.com Subject: Europa-List: Recommendation from Tom Paul --> Europa-List message posted by: tom@tompaul.com Tom Paul recommends the following Barnstormers classified ad (click on link) http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212 i hate to do it, but here it is. my kit is for sale. AOL users, use this link: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:07 PM PST US From: "tom@tompaul.com" Subject: Europa-List: XS Mono for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" It seems i can't fit my life around building and safely maintaining a europa at his time. Maybe some day, but i am going to let it go for now. My Europa is for sale. Please see the ad on barnstormers: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=48212 thanks, tom paul ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:59 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Jeff wrote: > Kingsley, > All the switch will do is engage the starter and provide power for the trim. In the case of runaway trim, I can simply turn the switch off and the power to the trim will cease. The mags will be on a separate circuit and would be unaffected by the switch... Thanks Jeff, I should have studied what you said in a little more detail. Regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:00 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S Kick Back --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Richard Holder wrote :- > The mags do not need ANY connection to the battery. They are independent. Thanks Richard, I'm well aware of this. My problem was I simply didn't stop to read Jeff's posting properly. Good luck with your starting problems and l look forward to your telling us what you eventually find out. Regards Kingsley Do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:52 PM PST US From: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912S starting --> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Hi Richard. I have the locking pin and the maintenance manual, both of which came with the engine. If you have the manual, there is a picture on page 05-50-00, page 3 which shows where you put the pin in. I came across it as I'm approaching 25 engine hours and was looking to see what needs to be done at the 25 hour check. From the manual - just about everything! Including checking backlash and friction torque, which needs you to lock the engine using the pin. Regards, Roddy Kesterton In a message dated 07/09/2004 17:07:08 GMT Standard Time, rholder@avnet.co.uk writes: Does anyone have a manual which gives details ? In have the "Rotax Maintenance" manual but that only covers routine maintenance like oil changes. Is there a workshop manual which would give a breakdown of how the flywheel and sprag clutch interact ? I am sure there isn't a Haynes manual for it :-) The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880) which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !