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1. 12:34 AM - glider wings for sale (chris davis)
2. 01:03 AM - Skymap 111C (Steve Pitt)
3. 01:43 AM - Re: Skymap 111C (ivor.phillips)
4. 02:51 AM - Re: Skymap 111C (Trevpond@aol.com)
5. 04:20 AM - Re: 912S Kick Back (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Fuel drain modification? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
8. 11:03 AM - Re: 912S starting (nigel charles)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Hurricane Frances (NevEyre@aol.com)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Hurricane Frances (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 11:13 AM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Alan Stewart)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (AlanB)
13. 11:42 AM - Re: 912S starting (Land Shorter)
14. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (David Joyce)
15. 12:19 PM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (Fred Fillinger)
16. 12:23 PM - Re: Skymap 111C (Duncan McFadyean)
17. 01:06 PM - Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
18. 01:26 PM - Re: Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona (Paul Boulet)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona (Al Stills)
20. 02:00 PM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (R.C.Harrison)
21. 02:34 PM - Re: 912S starting (bryan allsop)
22. 03:44 PM - Re: Hurricane Frances (Kingsley Hurst)
23. 04:07 PM - Lightspeed ANRs (Graham Singleton)
24. 04:07 PM - 912S starting (Graham Singleton)
25. 04:32 PM - Headset recommendations LONG!! (was: Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! ) (Shaun Simpkins)
26. 05:45 PM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (Rocketman)
27. 06:31 PM - Re: Headset recommendations LONG!! (was: Re: Re:The Penalties of having a flying Partner..! ) (Kingsley Hurst)
28. 07:16 PM - Re: Skymap 111C (Steve Crimm)
29. 07:23 PM - The Phoenix has risen (Nigel Harrison)
30. 07:58 PM - Re: The Phoenix has risen (Steve & Eileen Genotte)
31. 11:14 PM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (nigel charles)
32. 11:23 PM - Re: 912S starting (nigel charles)
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| Subject: | glider wings for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
listers have decided to sell wings as they are . Control surfaces partially
done 15000plus shipping and crating .tail kit partially done 2000 ,must sell
wings first . Going out of town for a week call cell 508 982 6647 Chris Davis
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
I want to connect my Skymap to download the flights that I have made and have been
pointed to NavBox and Flightstar(?) software packages. What are others using?
Can anyone point me to written assessments of these or other products.
Thanks
Steve Pitt #403
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Skymap 111C
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt"
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> I want to connect my Skymap to download the flights that I have made and
have been pointed to NavBox and Flightstar(?) software packages. What are
others using? Can anyone point me to written assessments of these or other
products.
>
Hi Steve
I have been using Navbox Pro for three years now and found it to be
excellent, My latest jepp database for my Garmin didn't include the French
Danger areas, But they where clearly marked on Navbox, Its easy to use,
Do your flight planning on the computer and upload to a GPS, Or download a
current flight for later reference,
You have Monthly updates via Email to keep the infomation current,
A piece of kit i highly recommend!
Ivor Phillips
XS486
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
I don't know about written tests, but I have been using Navbox Pro for some
years now and have found it to be brilliant and of course it is updated over
the Web monthly.
I would check though if you have a new computer with no Serial Ports, just
USB. My new computer cannot communicate with the Skymap despite using a patch
converter USB/Serial. It works with the Garmin 196 so I am at a bit of a
loss.
kind regards
Trev Pond
kit 598
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Kick Back |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Hi all.
Regarding kick back problems on the 912S, I was warned by William Mills
about these posibilities - and to wire the ignition leads - as described by
Bryan. Now, as my engine is a 914 and I do have such an all-in-one switch
(ignition sircuites/starter from ASC) - should I bother to go this route -
or stay put?
What about kick back on the 914?
Cheers
Hans - kit 334.
> Richard,
> I am sure that we have been here before.
>
> Try the following:-
> !. With the choke out, and throttle closed, turn the engine over with the
> starter.
> 2. Switch a magneto switch on, and the engine just takes over.
> 3. Clearly the starter switch can now be released, and the second magneto
> switched in.
> You will find no kick back on the sprag clutch, so it should last forever.
>
> I used to start my 912s with both mag switches on before starting, and
had
> the kick back. It does not happen now. Thanks go to William Mills for that
> tip, after he had spent 800 quid and three days replacing his sprag
clutch.
> He told me that he probably would not have needed to do it if he had been
> able to take his own advice. His starter and mag. switches are not
separate!
>
> The same seems to be true in reverse. To stop that nasty kick stop when
> switching off, pull back the revs to 1700, switch of one mag. When the
revs
> drop back, switch off the other mag. I do it and get a nice soft engine
> stop. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me. Incidentally, I
> am still using an inexpensive gell 17ah battery,and the original starter
> after 285 hours
>
> Sadly, for those who have install those expensive all-in-one switches you
> can do either of these techniques, so you may have a difficult choice. New
> switches, or new sprag clutches.
>
> Hope that this helps. Best regards. Bryan G-BYSA
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| Subject: | Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed the
drains.
Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
always a plus!
Thanks in advance.
PS. Also want to again thank the many fine folk that responded to my
questions on the cockpit module installation!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com
It is a europa mod, not a club mod, so you can find it on the europa
aircraft site:
_http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Builder%20Support/Mods%20&%20SB/Mod%2033.pdf_
(http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Builder%20Support/Mods%20&%20SB/Mod%2033.pdf)
Not sure where you would go to get it but it will give you a good idea of
how it is set up. It works OK, but you have to drain quite a lot of fuel out to
clear the lines from the tank to the fuel drains. I use a homemade super size
draining cup!
Roddy Kesterton #220
In a message dated 08/09/2004 15:16:06 GMT Standard Time,
EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed the
drains.
Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
always a plus!
Thanks in advance.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
I also found that starting using a single magneto minimises the risk of
kickback. For those already using a key switch there are 3 ways of
overcoming the problem:
1. Fit a starter push button in parallel with the existing key switch
2. Fit an extra switch to temporarily short out one magneto during
start. This will mean that the switch will have to be switched off again
after start.
3. Include a relay on the starter circuit which will short out a magneto
during start. This has the advantage of no changes to the panel
switches.
The newer starter will only fit the XS. This is because it is longer and
would interfere with the Classic engine mount.
Although kickback can occur with all variants of the Rotax the 912S
suffers the most due to the higher compression ratio.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Will ''Hurricane Ivan'' behave anything like the other Ivan ?
Rush around in circles, blowing lots of hot air, howling and whining, getting
everyone totally pi**ed off, dissapear as fast as it came, and leave a mess
for everyone to clear up ?
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
OK Nev... I'll bite.
But tradition dictates that we must name the next storm with a J before we
can use Keith!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Now, now, Neville.... try to be a bit more candid.
...Bit to close to the truth, methinks !!!
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hurricane Frances
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Will ''Hurricane Ivan'' behave anything like the other Ivan ?
Rush around in circles, blowing lots of hot air, howling and whining,
getting
everyone totally pi**ed off, dissapear as fast as it came, and leave a
mess
for everyone to clear up ?
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "AlanB" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
This is an official Eurpa Aircraft Modification and is on the technical
support part of their website.
Mod 33, Introduction of Fuel Drain Valves
AlanB
#0303
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
>
> I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
>
> I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed
> the
> drains.
>
> Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
> always a plus!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> PS. Also want to again thank the many fine folk that responded to my
> questions on the cockpit module installation!
>
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Land Shorter <landshorter2@yahoo.com>
While you're on the subject just a note... when starting the 912S be extra careful
to not advance the throttle too quickly, especially when the engine is hot.
A fellow S-7 buddy just recently caught his engine on fire doing this very
thing. Having the HD starter helps in this regard (more positive start, less
chance of kickback and backfire).
Also keep in mind that the proper technique for an engine fire is to keep turning
the engine over and trying to start it. Usually this will "suck" the fire
out. In my buddies' case he didn't realize his engine was on fire but fortunately
someone in the hangar grabbed an extinguisher and put it out before it caused
too major of damage.
FWIW I have a newer 912S with the HD starter and the slipper clutch and it has
always started fantastic without kickback. I'm a big fan of having all the help
I can get on start. I have an RG battery and that seems to help as well.
Joa
www.landshorter.com
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Brian, I have a PFA & Europa company approved mod of putting an Andair
Gascolator under the luggage shelf with a fuel drain in the bowl, which is
accessed through a small flap in the bottom of the fuselage. Having a mono
it is the lowest part of the fuel system, and the Andair is said to be good
at trapping water, although I have never found any!(Maybe this is because
Mogas contains enough alcohol to dissolve any small amounts of water). I
guess you could adapt it for a trigear setup.
David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
>
> I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
>
> I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed
the
> drains.
>
> Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
> always a plus!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> PS. Also want to again thank the many fine folk that responded to my
> questions on the cockpit module installation!
>
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> ...
> I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
>
> I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
>
> I know there must be one out there someplace because many have
> installed the drains.
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
From testing I did on my trigear, I concluded there is no tank drain
arrangement which will remove all hazardous quantities of water in
ground attitude. The two tank drains I have (which pick up from the
fwd part of each tank saddle) will have psychological value only.
What I did then was fabricate a 9 oz. sump, which attaches to the
outlet of the floor-mounted (old style) selector valve arrangement;
two fuel lines from it feed the 914 fuel pumps. It has a drain valve
accessible from the bottom of the aircraft. However, a gascolator of
healthy capacity should accomplish similar results, though not meet
FAA rules for production aircraft, as it's neither a sump nor min. 8
oz. capacity.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<My latest jepp database for my Garmin didn't include the French Danger
areas>>
That's odd. When I updated my 195 in June of this year the French TPAs were
present.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
<ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
>
>
> Skymap 111C
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt"
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > I want to connect my Skymap to download the flights that I have made and
> have been pointed to NavBox and Flightstar(?) software packages. What are
> others using? Can anyone point me to written assessments of these or other
> products.
> >
> Hi Steve
>
> I have been using Navbox Pro for three years now and found it to be
> excellent, My latest jepp database for my Garmin didn't include the
French
> Danger areas, But they where clearly marked on Navbox, Its easy to use,
> Do your flight planning on the computer and upload to a GPS, Or download
a
> current flight for later reference,
> You have Monthly updates via Email to keep the infomation current,
>
> A piece of kit i highly recommend!
>
>
> Ivor Phillips
> XS486
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
All,
Very sad news on
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_0907_N.txt
see Record # 5.
Anyone has additional information?
Regards,
Svein K. Johnsen
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Here's the info from the FAA registry. Did anyone know Tom?
N912EE is Assigned
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number A057 Type Registration IndividualManufacturer NameREDGATE
THOMAS C Certificate Issue Date04/20/2001 ModelEUROPA CLASSIC StatusValid
Type AircraftFixed Wing Single-EngineType EngineReciprocating Pending Number
ChangeNone DealerNo Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code53117202 MFR Year2002
Fractional OwnerNO
---------------------------------
Registered Owner
Name REDGATE THOMAS C Street5851 MIDWAY DR CityHUNTINGTON BEACH StateCALIFORNIA
Zip Code 92648-1023 CountyORANGE CountryUNITED STATES
---------------------------------
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer AMA/EXPR ClassificationExperimental Engine Model UNKNOWN ENG
CategoryAmateur Built A/W Date06/06/2002
---------------------------------
Other Owner Names
None
---------------------------------
Temporary Certificate
None
---------------------------------
Fuel Modifications
None
---------------------------------
-->Paul Boulet, N914PB
Do not archive
Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
All,
Very sad news on
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/M_0907_N.txt
see Record # 5.
Anyone has additional information?
Regards,
Svein K. Johnsen
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Europa Classic - Fatal accident in Arizona |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Svein & others,
This is the first I've heard of this accident. Page is
up north of Phoenix almost Utah. The registered owner is
a Thomas Redgate of Huntington Beach Calif. I don't know
him or anything about his plane. The plane was found on
9/4/04. Condolences to both families.
Al Stills
A095
Phoenix Ariz
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Brian.
The Mod. is the Water Drain Mod by Europa.
However IMHO when you get it please ensure that the plain MAIN FLOW tank
exit is back drilled from inside to open the drilling intersection to 1/4"
being careful not to drill too deep and break through the outer diameter of
the connector body. This needs attention on both the reserve and main tank
connectors prior to construction of the finger gauze part of the assembly.
Ignore this and the flow is 50% reduced and can block with minimal debris
that has passed the finger filter gauze causing the noise up front to stop!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
>
> I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
>
> I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed
the
> drains.
>
> Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
> always a plus!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> PS. Also want to again thank the many fine folk that responded to my
> questions on the cockpit module installation!
>
>
> Brian S
> A276 Tri Gear. Texas
> See my build photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S starting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Nigel,
I think the point has to be made that the engine must be turning over
before switching in a mag. It is to do with the ignition timing being
slightly too advanced until full starter speed has been attained,
particularly with the higher compression ratio. With any mags.switched in,
pre-ignition can cause kick-back.
For me, the answer would be to keep the key switch for starting, and fit a
couple of self returning single pole lever switches for the mags.
Speaking as an Engineer (which I rarely do these days), I would rule out the
use of relays unless there was simply no alternative.
Best regards. Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S starting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> I also found that starting using a single magneto minimises the risk of
> kickback. For those already using a key switch there are 3 ways of
> overcoming the problem:
>
> 1. Fit a starter push button in parallel with the existing key switch
> 2. Fit an extra switch to temporarily short out one magneto during
> start. This will mean that the switch will have to be switched off again
> after start.
> 3. Include a relay on the starter circuit which will short out a magneto
> during start. This has the advantage of no changes to the panel
> switches.
>
> The newer starter will only fit the XS. This is because it is longer and
> would interfere with the Classic engine mount.
>
> Although kickback can occur with all variants of the Rotax the 912S
> suffers the most due to the higher compression ratio.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Hurricane Frances |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Nev said:-
Will ''Hurricane Ivan'' behave anything like the other Ivan ?
Rush around in circles, blowing lots of hot air, howling and whining,
getting
everyone totally pi**ed off, dissapear as fast as it came, and leave a
mess
for everyone to clear up ?
Have to hand it to you Nev with some of the things you come up with.
Maybe the naming of this hurricane was no mere co-incidence hey ?
Regs
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 07/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I currently have some LightSpeed 25's and in my Comanche they work great. I
>have had some problems with them in my Europa due to RF break through,
>however when they do work the improvement is not as noticable as when I use
>them in my Comanche, I assume that this is becuse they are tailored for
>lower frequency attenuation and I suspect that the Rotax has more high
>frequency component in its noise profile.
Paul
my limited understanding of ANR is that its only possible to attenuate the
lower frequencies because the phase shift required is different for each
frequency. Bad terminology there, Phase needs to shift 180 degs. and the
time shift is too small at higher frequencies. I guess different
manufacturers make different compromises so you may be right,
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 07/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>I spoke to Jerry Davis of Lyndhurst and he had three suggestions which can
>be done in turn.
>
>1. Fit a Red Top battery, which is designed to give a high starting current
Richard
With luck the Red Top might do it.
>There is some doubt about the newer starter motor. I have heard that it
>won't fit and I have heard it will fit.
I have heard that it fits an XS so it should fit your Classic with the XS
engine mount, that will give enough extra room.
The manual I have talks of "the crankshaft locking screw (part no 240 880)
>which is part of the standard tool kit supplied with each engine". Does
>anyone HAVE one of these. I don't remember seeing it !
There is a screw in the crankcase, LHS forard , take it out and you'll see
the crankshaft has a hole to take the locking screw, so find a screw long
enough to reach the hole, turn the crankshaft until the screw enters the
locking hole.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Headset recommendations LONG!! (was: Re: RE:The Penalties |
of having a flying Partner..! )
0.00 MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject has many exclamations
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
Paul:
Have you considered Communications Earplugs? Allow me to explain.
Your observations are on the mark. I did a spectral analysis of Europa
cockpit noise some time back and found that indeed it has a lot more
high frequency content than your typical Lycoming. This comes from
the gearbox and other mechanical noise; its suprising how much content
there is between 200-600Hz.
This is exactly the frequency range that ANR headsets can't cancel out
effectively. They're designed to remove noise frequencies below 200Hz.
The penalty for improved low frequency attenuation is reduced attenuation
in the 200-1000Hz range for two reasons:
1. peaking effects caused by delay in the cancellation signal;
2. reduced attenuation owing to the positioning of the ANR speakers
and the filling of the earcup with nonabsorptive electronics.
If you look at the attenuation curves of any ANR headset, you will see a
pronounced reduction in attenuation at these frequencies. The Telex ANR50D
supposedly has less than 10dB attenuation between 800-1000Hz, even though
its sub-200Hz performance is spectacular! (check out Quiet Technolgies' website)
Karl's suggestion of the Lightspeed CrossCountry is probably the best solution
if you want an ANR headset. Lightspeed optimized that product for high
passive noise reduction and moderate ANR. Much better for Rotaxen.
Trouble is, not too many people fly behind Rotaxen, so their higher end
headsets sell much better.
However, the best solution is....earplugs!
Recently, several earplug-style headsets have come on the market.
They combine an earspeaker with a very effective earplug
to get attenuation numbers that are better than the best ANR headsets
at sub 200Hz (save the ANR50D) and absolutely stellar attenuation at
higher frequencies.
There are 3 competitors: The $500 Panther CAT, an in-mold earplug design
with a subvocal microphone;
The $365 QuietTechnologies AuriComm, an expanding
foam model with an attached boom mike;
The $550 ClarityAloft, also an expanding foam
model with
a boom mike supported by a back-of-the-head
band.
The Panther CAT has been reviewed in Aviation Consumer. It has several
problems. The seal can be too easily broken by chewing, yawning;
cord microphonics; etc.
I've flown with the AuriComm. It's a good design, but the attached boom mike
may compromise the seal (they've just added a headband to address this).
The ClarityAloft is the most refined of the bunch. They've dealt effectively with
cord microphonics and the need for earplug mechanical isolation.
I also like the ClarityAloft because of another reason...you can wear regular ear
defenders over them. Belt and suspenders? Perhaps. But the most effective
combination if you don't already have a good set of headphones.
Since I already have a good ANR headset I'm trying another path...
I'm using a pair of Communication Earplugs made by CEP-USA for the military
underneath my CrossCountrys (bypassing the CrossCountry's speakers).
Why? The earplug design is the same as the ClarityAloft - and - in my opinion,
better attenuation than the best ANR headsets, and cheaper. The CrossCountry
mic is just fine. I get an $800 ANR headset without paying $800.
Also, even though the Communication Earplugs are really quiet,
I have noticed that in an aircraft covering the skull around the ear with a
GOOD (i.e., high passive attenuation) noise-attenuating headset or
industrial ear defenders makes a difference.
I don't know why, but suspect it may have something to do with interrupting
alternate transmission paths into the inner ear through the soft tissues and bones
surrounding the ear.
Paul, rather than try and find a new pair of headsets, why don't you try a pair
of
Comm. Earplugs underneath your 25XLs? Cost - about $140 and a little assembly.
A lot cheaper than dropping $600-800 on a ?better? headset,
and it will work better for your Europa.
If you can stand wearing earplugs for extended periods, give it a try.
If you find you can't, you're only out $140.
Shaun
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>I was looking at the club website for a fuel drain modification.
>
> I wish to check for fuel contamination during preflight inspection.
>
> I know there must be one out there someplace because many have installed the
>drains.
>
>Anyone have an idea as to where I might go for information? Photos are
>always a plus!
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>PS. Also want to again thank the many fine folk that responded to my
>questions on the cockpit module installation!
>
>
Brian,
My log of June 11 shows a fairly good view of the drain valves I
installed in A055. The parts are available from ACS...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Headset recommendations LONG!! (was: Re: RE:The Penalties |
of having a flying Partner..! )
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Shaun Simpkins wrote :-
> Have you considered Communications Earplugs? Allow me to explain.
Congratulations on an excellent posting Shaun. Much appreciated by me
at least having been for some time now casually exploring the mine field
of options available and having much trouble trying to sort out the
wheat from the chaff.
Thanks again.
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
I would love to get an idea of what types of GPS's are being used and the
satisfaction you have encountered. The prices and functionality seem to go
from one extreme to the other. Would like to get the best bang for the
buck.
Thanks
Steve Crimm
Purchasing 15JN
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| Subject: | The Phoenix has risen |
0.36 NO_OBLIGATION BODY: There is no obligation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <NAHarrison@manx.net>
Dear All,
Being one of those naive unfortunates who paid up front for the whole kit
and seriously suffered the consequences of EMIL's (Keith Wilson's)
"mismanagement" , I was delighted to hear that Europa (2004) Ltd has risen
from the ashes, Pheonix-like, of the demise of EMIL. It is great that Andy
Draper is heavily involved, too. I spoke to him on the 8th September, day 2
or 3 of the new company's existence and they were busy doing a stock check
of their newly acquired assets. While I appeciate that Europa (2004) Ltd has
no obligation to honour the contracts of EMIL, Andy was at pains to say that
once they have defined their strategy with regard to those in my position,
they will do their best to sort things out. However I would think we may
still have to carry our losses, in whole or in part, .
Of interest to you all, was that he advised me that the administrators was
busy "scrubbing their files", presumably having completed their duties to
the court, so the new company may not have any record of customers' kit
deficiencies. He suggested that I provide him with a list of those parts not
provided by EMIL in my kit. To help Andy gauge the size of the problem, I
suggest that all those of you still owed parts having paid for them,
provide Andy with the list of your kit's deficiencies as soon as possible.
Here's to the bright future for Europa (2004) Ltd. Cheers!!!
Nigel Harrison
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| Subject: | The Phoenix has risen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" <genottes@wi.rr.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nigel Harrison
Subject: Europa-List: The Phoenix has risen
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <NAHarrison@manx.net>
<snip>
Here's to the bright future for Europa (2004) Ltd. Cheers!!!
And so say all of us!!
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| Subject: | Fuel drain modification? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
I agree with David. In my opinion the Andair gascolator obviates the
need for separate water drains. It also enables easy inspection and
cleaning of any debris unlike the standard filters. Bowl removal
cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have
found anything in the bowl so far).
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>I think the point has to be made that the engine must be turning over
before switching in a mag. It is to do with the ignition timing being
slightly too advanced until full starter speed has been attained,
particularly with the higher compression ratio. With any mags.switched
in, pre-ignition can cause kick-back. For me, the answer would be to
keep the key switch for starting, and fit a couple of self returning
single pole lever switches for the mags.<
I agree. The third option was just a fix for those who do not want to
add to their panel. Obviously it is better not to have any ignition
until full cranking speed has been achieved. The use of single ignition
does seem to delay the rate of burn and therefore effectively delays the
timing. I tried this technique before using the new full cranking
procedure and got some benefit. Probably the best option is to fit a
separate starter button.
Nigel
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