---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/10/04: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jac van Heeswijk) 2. 12:23 AM - Re: Skymap 111C & ProPlan (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk) 3. 12:32 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk) 4. 12:55 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Michael Grass) 5. 01:05 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jos Okhuijsen) 6. 01:21 AM - Re: It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! (Alan Burrows) 7. 01:46 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Johnsen, Svein K.) 8. 01:49 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Michael Grass) 9. 01:50 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (R.C.Harrison) 10. 01:54 AM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (josok) 11. 02:01 AM - Re: Transponder issues (josok) 12. 03:00 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jos Okhuijsen) 13. 04:51 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Paul McAllister) 14. 06:09 AM - Re: NIGEL> Fuel drain modification? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 15. 06:32 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jeremy Davey) 16. 07:25 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (JEFF ROBERTS) 17. 07:30 AM - Outside the UK (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 18. 07:39 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 19. 07:43 AM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jeremy Davey) 20. 09:51 AM - EAA re Europa (RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils)) 21. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (Fred R. Klein) 22. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (JEFF ROBERTS) 23. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (MICHAEL PARKIN) 24. 01:08 PM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- (Jac van Heeswijk) 25. 01:10 PM - test (DaveBuzz@aol.com) 26. 02:29 PM - Re: Fuel drain modification? (Carl Pattinson) 27. 02:34 PM - Re: Carl... Fuel drain modification? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 28. 02:35 PM - Re: test (Jeremy Davey) 29. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Fuel drain modification? (Raimo Toivio) 30. 02:37 PM - Re: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside - WHAT GOOD (Rowland Carson) 31. 03:11 PM - gear retraction - mono (Graham Singleton) 32. 03:11 PM - Re: Europa (Graham Singleton) 33. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Europa (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 34. 03:34 PM - Re: Carl... Fuel drain modification? (Carl Pattinson) 35. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Europa (R.C.Harrison) 36. 04:57 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (Graham Singleton) 37. 04:57 PM - gascolators (Graham Singleton) 38. 04:57 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 (Graham Singleton) 39. 07:33 PM - Re: gascolators (Fergus Kyle) 40. 07:40 PM - Re: Transponder issues (Fergus Kyle) 41. 08:56 PM - Re: Transponder issues (Fred Fillinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:20 AM PST US From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" Suddenly today some messages appear on my screen with the subject: 'Good News From Kirkbymoorside'. Did I miss something? Thus far I didn't receive any message in that sense, neither could I find something recent on this subject in Andrew Sarangan's database. Or was it just a private conversation between Dave Buzz and Bob GPTAG? If there is any good news to communicate please can we all be party of it? Who solves the puzzle?? Bob?? David?? Regards, Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Harrison > To: David Bossomworth > Subject: Re: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > > > Hi! Dave and all. > Great news indeed, I seriously wish them every success. > It does occur to me however, that the statement clearly says 5 former employees will be with the new company and goes on to name 3. > Hope their accountancy is better than this and the despatch department can count better otherwise we won't be any further on! But then again the root cause of the problem isn't one of the 5, as Dave anticipates us to ask, thanks for that. Best wishes to Dave, Bill, and Nev too who all also must have suffered the recent indignities and uncertainties of livlihood. > regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:02 AM PST US From: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C & ProPlan --> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk Reducing the detail is the only way I know to speed up loading. I usually get it loading whilst I check the met on the internet or read my e-mail. Nigel Charles >-- Original Message -- >From: "Alan Stewart" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C & ProPlan >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:11:42 +0100 >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" > > >Hi Peter, > >I have a recent issue NavBox Proplan which I use seamlessly with my >Skymap 3C for route planning. > >My PC is fairly powerful, has 1 1.7 Celeron processor, half a Gig of >double speed memory and a GeForce4 MX 440 display adapter. > >However, when requesting a new, reasonably detailed 1/2 mil European map >(600 x 600), it can take 3 to 4 minutes to draw, during which time >Proplan is rendered powerless ! > >Does anyone know a simple solution to this rather irritating feature ? >Do others suffer in a similar way ? > >The on-line documentation suggests this is due to drawing limitations of >the graphics chip and is 'not normal', but doesn't really suggest an >easy way to get around it ? > >Alan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete >Lawless >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" > >I am another happy user of NavBox Pro. I mainly use it for IFR flight >planning. It is easy to use and as well as getting the updated monthly >database with your subscription you also get new releases of the >software. I guess I have been using it for 5 years or so. > >Dont know about the download/upload. > >Pete > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >ivor.phillips >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" >--> > > > Skymap 111C > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Pitt" > >> >> I want to connect my Skymap to download the flights that I have made >> and >have been pointed to NavBox and Flightstar(?) software packages. What >are others using? Can anyone point me to written assessments of these or >other products. >> >Hi Steve > >I have been using Navbox Pro for three years now and found it to be >excellent, My latest jepp database for my Garmin didn't include the >French >Danger areas, But they where clearly marked on Navbox, Its easy to use, >Do your flight planning on the computer and upload to a GPS, Or >download a current flight for later reference, You have Monthly updates >via Email to keep the infomation current, > >A piece of kit i highly recommend! > > >Ivor Phillips >XS486 > > >== >direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. >== >== >== > > >--- > > >--- > > >== >== >== >== > > Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:10 AM PST US From: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk The amounts of water we are talking about are very small. I have yet to see any in the gascolator bowl. Also when I drained the tank after 100 hours use there was no water there either. On that basis I feel the gascolator on its own is sufficient. To minimise problems it is wise to keep the tank full when not in use, buy fuel from a source which has a high turnover and use a funnel with a water trapping filter. It is easy to get carried away designing in aspects which are not needed. Nigel Charles >-- Original Message -- >From: "Fergus Kyle" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:51:03 -0400 >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "nigel charles" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? >| I agree with David. In my opinion the Andair gascolator obviates the >| need for separate water drains. It also enables easy inspection and >| cleaning of any debris unlike the standard filters. Bowl removal >| cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have >| found anything in the bowl so far). >| >| Nigel Charles > >I was wondering what then filters out the tank water before one starts an >engine? The water drains take a sample from the bottom of the tank >(hopefully) in an admitted large sample - at any time. The gascolator drains >off water as it approaches the engine. To me these are two different >sources, one of storage, one of system...............? >ferg >A064 > > Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:51 AM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Jac, Yes, you must missed that one. Look at the previous thread "The Phoenix ha risen". Regards Michael Grass A266 Trigear Detroit, Mi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" > > Suddenly today some messages appear on my screen with the subject: 'Good > News From Kirkbymoorside'. > > Did I miss something? Thus far I didn't receive any message in that sense, > neither could I find something recent on this subject in Andrew Sarangan's > database. > > Or was it just a private conversation between Dave Buzz and Bob GPTAG? > > If there is any good news to communicate please can we all be party of it? > > Who solves the puzzle?? > > Bob?? > David?? > > Regards, Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R.C.Harrison" > To: "David Bossomworth" > Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Harrison > > To: David Bossomworth > > Subject: Re: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > > > > > > Hi! Dave and all. > > Great news indeed, I seriously wish them every success. > > It does occur to me however, that the statement clearly says 5 former > employees will be with the new company and goes on to name 3. > > Hope their accountancy is better than this and the despatch department can > count better otherwise we won't be any further on! But then again the root > cause of the problem isn't one of the 5, as Dave anticipates us to ask, > thanks for that. Best wishes to Dave, Bill, and Nev too who all also must > have suffered the recent indignities and uncertainties of livlihood. > > regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- From: "Jos Okhuijsen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Same thing here Jac, It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we missed. Jos Okhuijsen #600 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:52 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" You sticking up for Mr Parkin Jeremy?? Surely this shows early signs of collusion, favouritism possibly even nepotism. We need new blood on the EC the "old" one's are tainted..:-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey Subject: RE: Europa-List: It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" --> You got a proper job yesterday, or you did some work? I dont believe either... :-) Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" GET A PROPER JOB PARKIN..! And do some work like the rest of us..! Alan Burrows Ps I did the same yesterday :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL PARKIN Subject: Europa-List: It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" --> This afternoon was a stunning afternoon to go flying in North Yorkshire. Happened by Kirkbymoorside - always nosey. Thought everyone would like to know that the boys are back. Did several passes over the Europa factory to say hello - the cars were there and the boys were outside waving in their usual manner. It is pleasing to know that GJULZ is no longer an orphan. regards, Mike Parkin == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- From: "Johnsen, Svein K." --> Europa-List message posted by: "Johnsen, Svein K." Hello, Jos - and others, Europa Club sent out a message to its members two days ago, with basically the same information that today appears in the EAA Hotline electronic newsletter: New Company Acquires Europa Management (International) Assets Europa Management (International) Ltd. assets have been acquired by a new company, Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd., which will continue to develop and sell the Europa line of aircraft headquartered in Kirkbymoorside in North Yorkshire, England. J.S. Tucker, former Chairman and Managing Director of Slingsby Aviation Ltd., leads the new company. Tucker was instrumental in developing the Slingsby T67 Firefly-the first UK-certified composite aircraft. Joining Tucker are former Europa Management (International) employees Andy Draper, (Technical Development); John Wheeler (Sales); and Roger Bull (Parts and Logistics). The initial focus is meeting the needs of existing Europa builders for components necessary to complete their projects. The company asks that builders inform them as soon as possible what their needs are in the coming months. "News of the formation of Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd has been received with great enthusiasm by builders and Europa buffs throughout the world," said Wheeler. "It will obviously take some little time for the new company to get the situation sorted out but we have tremendous confidence in the future of the aircraft and our company." Regards, Svein A225 - now in Norway -----Original Message----- From: Jos Okhuijsen [mailto:josok-e@ukolo.fi] Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Same thing here Jac, It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we missed. Jos Okhuijsen #600 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:37 AM PST US From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hi all, hope I don't violate any copy rights here. No more rumors, it is official. Below is a cut out from the latest EAA news letter. New Company Acquires Europa Management (International) Assets Europa Management (International) Ltd. assets have been acquired by a new company, Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd., which will continue to develop and sell the Europa line of aircraft headquartered in Kirkbymoorside in North Yorkshire, England. J.S. Tucker, former Chairman and Managing Director of Slingsby Aviation Ltd., leads the new company. Tucker was instrumental in developing the Slingsby T67 Firefly-the first UK-certified composite aircraft. Joining Tucker are former Europa Management (International) employees Andy Draper, (Technical Development); John Wheeler (Sales); and Roger Bull (Parts and Logistics). The initial focus is meeting the needs of existing Europa builders for components necessary to complete their projects. The company asks that builders inform them as soon as possible what their needs are in the coming months. "News of the formation of Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd has been received with great enthusiasm by builders and Europa buffs throughout the world," said Wheeler. "It will obviously take some little time for the new company to get the situation sorted out but we have tremendous confidence in the future of the aircraft and our company." For further information, visit www.europa-aircraft.com. Just wondering what is going on with the US office in Lakeland. Regards Michael Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" > > Same thing here Jac, > > It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we missed. > > Jos Okhuijsen #600 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:44 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Nigel/All. I accept your philosophy but your gascolator can not see in the tank nor can you. Have you a locking filler cap? what if someone should have a grudge one day and slop a litre of water into the tank.....what if by some quirk you happen to do the same in a mistaken can situation when your water trap funnel happens to be elsewhere? You are straight into a major major operation to flush out the entire tank contents when the water drain could rid you of the problem to fly immediately in confidence that the gascolator would take care of the small amount left. The water drains are a way of "looking" into the tank as well as the capability to remove water contamination. Hope you see my point. I've had one scare over contamination and I thought I was careful too. Regards Bob Harrison. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > --> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk > > The amounts of water we are talking about are very small. I have yet to > see any in the gascolator bowl. Also when I drained the tank after 100 hours > use there was no water there either. On that basis I feel the gascolator > on its own is sufficient. To minimise problems it is wise to keep the tank > full when not in use, buy fuel from a source which has a high turnover and > use a funnel with a water trapping filter. > > It is easy to get carried away designing in aspects which are not needed. > > > Nigel Charles > > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Fergus Kyle" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:51:03 -0400 > >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "nigel charles" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > >| I agree with David. In my opinion the Andair gascolator obviates the > >| need for separate water drains. It also enables easy inspection and > >| cleaning of any debris unlike the standard filters. Bowl removal > >| cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have > >| found anything in the bowl so far). > >| > >| Nigel Charles > > > >I was wondering what then filters out the tank water before one starts > an > >engine? The water drains take a sample from the bottom of the tank > >(hopefully) in an admitted large sample - at any time. The gascolator drains > >off water as it approaches the engine. To me these are two different > >sources, one of storage, one of system...............? > >ferg > >A064 > > > > > > > Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99 > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel drain modification? From: "josok" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" On Raimo's invitation: In my understanding there is a gascolator in the Cessna's, the drain of which is connected to the pulling knob next to the dip stick. Please let somebody correct this when i am wrong. I assume water in fuel has 2 primary sources, the first one being there before delivery to the tank, and the second one from condensation from humid air in the tank.How does it get there? High up means lower temperatures, below dew point, in the wing tanks, cooling the air on top of the fuel, forming condensation. To prevent buying contaminated fuel is the outstanding advice to buy fuel from a frequently used source. My home airport, efiv, has a very low turnover of 100LL. But, as i have witnessed, there is a fuel/water separator on the pump, and that is checked on at least a weekly bases. Sofar i have not seen a single drop of water in the fuel samples of the club planes! Maybe on busy airports there is no time to do those checks? A second reason for this absence of water could be the averagely low humidity we enjoy here. In practice that would eliminate the second source, condensation. During my training period in Florida, there was water contamination on about 30% of the samples. Believe me, a very high turnover of 100LL! on the airport. And a very high humidity there. In the Europa there is no metal tank and the tank is inside the relatively warm fuselage so my educated guess is, that the condensation problem is non existent. I was told the Europa fuel drain mod is a demand from the PFA. And since i guess this again is a relic from the metal tanks only past, it is maybe not really nessecary. As Graham put it: Those drains fulfull no other purpose then causing drip. Would (condense) water not be running back to the lowest point in cruise? That is the tank, not the drain. A gascolator on the other hand filters even small droplets from the stream, effectively preventing a water build up in the carburettor bowls. All of the previous is assuming the use of 100LL, which is not the Rotax preferred fuel. Mogas contains water binding additives. That's why water in fuel does not seem to be a problem in cars. In winter here we add an extra additive to 100LL as well as to mogas, because water is bad, but frozen water, in the form of massive ice on fuel drains or in the form of ice crystals blocking filters and injectors is even worse. My choice: A gascolator, drainable. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Transponder issues From: "josok" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" Hi Paul, As you said it: The blinking of the interrogation light shows the receiver is working. It does not confirm the functioning of the transmitter. So unless you can locate a broken wire or loose connector: repair shop ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- From: "Jos Okhuijsen" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Thanks Svein, Did not get any message from the club. Strange. Thanks for repeating it here! And good news it is! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:51 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Just wondering what is going on with the US office in Lakeland. > > Regards > > Michael Grass > I don't believe that the new owners purchased the US assets....... It would be nice to hear a statement from them regarding their US intentions. Perhaps it will become a distributorship like all of the other international operations. Paul ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:52 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: NIGEL> Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com In a message dated 9/10/2004 2:35:03 AM Central Standard Time, nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk writes: It is easy to get carried away designing in aspects which are not needed. Well said Nigel. Were did you locate your gascolator? Are photos available? Thank so much. Brian S A276 Tri Gear. Texas See my build photos at: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:12 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" I can help here - the full press release issued by Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd is on the Club web site. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" Same thing here Jac, It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we missed. Jos Okhuijsen #600 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:26 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS I didn't see Neville's name on the press release. Hope he is involved! Losing him would be a minus. Jeff A258 Nashville On Sep 10, 2004, at 3:49 AM, Michael Grass wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > > Hi all, > > hope I don't violate any copy rights here. No more rumors, it is > official. > Below is a cut out from the latest EAA news letter. > > New Company Acquires Europa Management (International) Assets > Europa Management (International) Ltd. assets have been acquired by a > new > company, Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd., which will continue to develop > and > sell the Europa line of aircraft headquartered in Kirkbymoorside in > North > Yorkshire, England. J.S. Tucker, former Chairman and Managing Director > of > Slingsby Aviation Ltd., leads the new company. Tucker was instrumental > in > developing the Slingsby T67 Firefly-the first UK-certified composite > aircraft. Joining Tucker are former Europa Management (International) > employees Andy Draper, (Technical Development); John Wheeler (Sales); > and > Roger Bull (Parts and Logistics). The initial focus is meeting the > needs of > existing Europa builders for components necessary to complete their > projects. The company asks that builders inform them as soon as > possible > what their needs are in the coming months. "News of the formation of > Europa > Aircraft (2004) Ltd has been received with great enthusiasm by > builders and > Europa buffs throughout the world," said Wheeler. "It will obviously > take > some little time for the new company to get the situation sorted out > but we > have tremendous confidence in the future of the aircraft and our > company." > For further information, visit www.europa-aircraft.com. > > > Just wondering what is going on with the US office in Lakeland. > > Regards > > Michael Grass > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jos Okhuijsen" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> > WHAT > GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" >> >> Same thing here Jac, >> >> It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we >> missed. >> >> Jos Okhuijsen #600 >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Outside the UK From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 09/10/2004 10:30:35 AM, Serialize complete at 09/10/2004 10:30:35 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu One of the problems, I thought, of the old Keith Wilson Company was the complete disregard for US buyers and builders, even the US Europa employees. I am disheartened now to see the new incarnation taking the same posture. Why is it that the "official notice" was not distributed to the US contingent. As of yesterday afternoon, not even the FlightCrafters folks has heard anything but the bits and pieces found on this list. I fear this does not bode well. A company that ignores one of its largest markets, even by casual inattention is not likely to profit. Please show me wrong. Andy, are you out there? Ira Rampil N224XS flying survived 2/2 hurricanes so far, bracing for #3 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 09/10/2004 10:39:23 AM, Serialize complete at 09/10/2004 10:39:23 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Sorry for remaining cranky for just another moment but regarding the above subject line of yesterday's digest Did anyone else notice that more than half of the text was multiply redundant quotes of prior text. Can we try making due without 10 correspondents each quoting Nigel's 25+ line message in full plus additional responses. If needed a single line or two specific to the current response would be far easier on the readership. Thanks in Advance! :-) Ira ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:08 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Hi, Jeff, Check the Club Web Site for more details on that. Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS I didn't see Neville's name on the press release. Hope he is involved! Losing him would be a minus. Jeff A258 Nashville On Sep 10, 2004, at 3:49 AM, Michael Grass wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > > Hi all, > > hope I don't violate any copy rights here. No more rumors, it is > official. > Below is a cut out from the latest EAA news letter. > > New Company Acquires Europa Management (International) Assets > Europa Management (International) Ltd. assets have been acquired by a > new > company, Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd., which will continue to develop > and > sell the Europa line of aircraft headquartered in Kirkbymoorside in > North > Yorkshire, England. J.S. Tucker, former Chairman and Managing Director > of > Slingsby Aviation Ltd., leads the new company. Tucker was instrumental > in > developing the Slingsby T67 Firefly-the first UK-certified composite > aircraft. Joining Tucker are former Europa Management (International) > employees Andy Draper, (Technical Development); John Wheeler (Sales); > and > Roger Bull (Parts and Logistics). The initial focus is meeting the > needs of > existing Europa builders for components necessary to complete their > projects. The company asks that builders inform them as soon as > possible > what their needs are in the coming months. "News of the formation of > Europa > Aircraft (2004) Ltd has been received with great enthusiasm by > builders and > Europa buffs throughout the world," said Wheeler. "It will obviously > take > some little time for the new company to get the situation sorted out > but we > have tremendous confidence in the future of the aircraft and our > company." > For further information, visit www.europa-aircraft.com. > > > Just wondering what is going on with the US office in Lakeland. > > Regards > > Michael Grass > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jos Okhuijsen" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> > WHAT > GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" >> >> Same thing here Jac, >> >> It seems to be good news. It would be really nice to know what we >> missed. >> >> Jos Okhuijsen #600 >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:17 AM PST US From: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils) Subject: Europa-List: EAA re Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: RobNeils@aimcomm.com (Rob Neils) New Company Acquires Europa Management (International) Assets Europa Management (International) Ltd. assets have been acquired by a new company, Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd., which will continue to develop and sell the Europa line of aircraft headquartered in Kirkbymoorside in North Yorkshire, England. J.S. Tucker, former Chairman and Managing Director of Slingsby Aviation Ltd., leads the new company. Tucker was instrumental in developing the Slingsby T67 Firefly-the first UK-certified composite aircraft. Joining Tucker are former Europa Management (International) employees Andy Draper, (Technical Development); John Wheeler (Sales); and Roger Bull (Parts and Logistics). The initial focus is meeting the needs of existing Europa builders for components necessary to complete their projects. The company asks that builders inform them as soon as possible what their needs are in the coming months. "News of the formation of Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd has been received with great enthusiasm by builders and Europa buffs throughout the world," said Wheeler. "It will obviously take some little time for the new company to get the situation sorted out but we have tremendous confidence in the future of the aircraft and our company." For further information, visit www.europa-aircraft.com. Rob Neils, Ph.D. MG 162, Trigear, 914T, 95% done ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > >... Can we try making due without 10 correspondents each quoting > Nigel's 25+ line message in full plus additional responses. > If needed a single line or two specific to the current response > would be far easier on the readership. Thanks in Advance! :-) > > Ira > Here, hear! Fred A194 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:49 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS On Sep 10, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Fred R. Klein wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu >> >> ... Can we try making due without 10 correspondents each quoting >> Nigel's 25+ line message in full plus additional responses. >> If needed a single line or two specific to the current response >> would be far easier on the readership. Thanks in Advance! :-) >> >> Ira >> > > Here, hear! > > Fred > A194 Here Here Here, Jeff A258 > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:37 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" > > > > Here, hear! > > > > Fred > > A194 > > Here Here Here, > Jeff > A258 Could not agree more. Now can we reduce the number of Here Here's over here here - do ya here!! regards, MP ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:46 PM PST US From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" Thank you, Michael. No, I didn't miss the thread of that Phoenix that had risen, but the messages of the Good News From Kirkbymoorside subject. But I don't seem to be the only member that didn't get the cocerning message at the same time you did. After all it's not so very important. Let's hope that everything comes right shortly. Jack (394 tri) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grass" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > > Jac, > > Yes, you must missed that one. Look at the previous thread "The Phoenix ha > risen". > > Regards > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear > Detroit, Mi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jac van Heeswijk" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside ------>>> WHAT > GOOD NEWS??? <<<----- > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" > > > > > Suddenly today some messages appear on my screen with the subject: 'Good > > News From Kirkbymoorside'. > > > > Did I miss something? Thus far I didn't receive any message in that > sense, > > neither could I find something recent on this subject in Andrew Sarangan's > > database. > > > > Or was it just a private conversation between Dave Buzz and Bob GPTAG? > > > > If there is any good news to communicate please can we all be party of it? > > > > Who solves the puzzle?? > > > > Bob?? > > David?? > > > > Regards, Jack > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "R.C.Harrison" > > To: "David Bossomworth" > > Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Harrison > > > To: David Bossomworth > > > Subject: Re: Good News from Kirkbymoorside > > > > > > > > > Hi! Dave and all. > > > Great news indeed, I seriously wish them every success. > > > It does occur to me however, that the statement clearly says 5 former > > employees will be with the new company and goes on to name 3. > > > Hope their accountancy is better than this and the despatch department > can > > count better otherwise we won't be any further on! But then again the root > > cause of the problem isn't one of the 5, as Dave anticipates us to ask, > > thanks for that. Best wishes to Dave, Bill, and Nev too who all also must > > have suffered the recent indignities and uncertainties of livlihood. > > > regards > > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:24 PM PST US From: DaveBuzz@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: test --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com test, please ignore ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:43 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" I agree entiely with Nigel on that point. Have had a gascolator fitted for last 2 years, never any sign of water (aircraft is hangared). We also filter everything through a water trap filter. Never had a fuel related problem (shouldnt have said that should I). Carl Pattinson G-LABS ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > --> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk > > The amounts of water we are talking about are very small. I have yet to > see any in the gascolator bowl. Also when I drained the tank after 100 hours > use there was no water there either. On that basis I feel the gascolator > on its own is sufficient. To minimise problems it is wise to keep the tank > full when not in use, buy fuel from a source which has a high turnover and > use a funnel with a water trapping filter. > > It is easy to get carried away designing in aspects which are not needed. > > > Nigel Charles > > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Fergus Kyle" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:51:03 -0400 > >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "nigel charles" > >To: > >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > >| I agree with David. In my opinion the Andair gascolator obviates the > >| need for separate water drains. It also enables easy inspection and > >| cleaning of any debris unlike the standard filters. Bowl removal > >| cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have > >| found anything in the bowl so far). > >| > >| Nigel Charles > > > >I was wondering what then filters out the tank water before one starts > an > >engine? The water drains take a sample from the bottom of the tank > >(hopefully) in an admitted large sample - at any time. The gascolator drains > >off water as it approaches the engine. To me these are two different > >sources, one of storage, one of system...............? > >ferg > >A064 > > > > > > > Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99 > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:57 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Carl... Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Carl. Can you tell me where the Gacolator is located? Are photos available? Brian S A276 Tri Gear. Texas See my build photos at: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:03 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: test --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" OK, Dave :-) Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveBuzz@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: test --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com test, please ignore ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:06 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Dear Jos, you are absolutely right: I have carefully checked my Cessnas metal tanks before every flight about 700 times during 8 (in fact 12) years and never noticed any water in fuel check. That means I think high quality fuel and no condensed water in tanks. That is of course only in Finland, in my tanks. But IF there is some water in some reason in some day, I am sure it is on bottom of the tanks and so it will come to daddy. Before every flight. That means I like my drains in my Europa also (in fact not flying yet). Humidity here outside just know: 86% "In winter here we add an extra additive to" No, WE did not add. Maybe some old Escort owners only. And those teenagers are doing it only for superstitious. Normal people just tank and drive. Thats the way we live, driving and flying. W/o extras. Regards, Raimo PS: something wrong with my wifes coffee? Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417 OH-CVK OH-BLL 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" ubject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel drain modification? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" > > On Raimo's invitation: In my understanding there is a gascolator in the Cessna's, the drain of which is connected to the pulling knob next to the dip stick. Please let somebody correct this when i am wrong. > I assume water in fuel has 2 primary sources, the first one being there before delivery to the tank, and the second one from condensation from humid air in the tank.How does it get there? High up means lower temperatures, below dew point, in the wing tanks, cooling the air on top of the fuel, forming condensation. To prevent buying contaminated fuel is the outstanding advice to buy fuel from a frequently used source. My home airport, efiv, has a very low turnover of 100LL. But, as i have witnessed, there is a fuel/water separator on the pump, and that is checked on at least a weekly bases. Sofar i have not seen a single drop of water in the fuel samples of the club planes! Maybe on busy airports there is no time to do those checks? A second reason for this absence of water could be the averagely low humidity we enjoy here. In practice that would eliminate the second source, condensation. During my training period in Florida, there was water contamination on about 30% of the > samples. Believe me, a very high turnover of 100LL! on the airport. And a very high humidity there. In the Europa there is no metal tank and the tank is inside the relatively warm fuselage so my educated guess is, that the condensation problem is non existent. I was told the Europa fuel drain mod is a demand from the PFA. And since i guess this again is a relic from the metal tanks only past, it is maybe not really nessecary. As Graham put it: Those drains fulfull no other purpose then causing drip. Would (condense) water not be running back to the lowest point in cruise? That is the tank, not the drain. A gascolator on the other hand filters even small droplets from the stream, effectively preventing a water build up in the carburettor bowls. All of the previous is assuming the use of 100LL, which is not the Rotax preferred fuel. Mogas contains water binding additives. That's why water in fuel does not seem to be a problem in cars. In winter here we add an extra additive to > 100LL as well as to mogas, because water is bad, but frozen water, in the form of massive ice on fuel drains or in the form of ice crystals blocking filters and injectors is even worse. My choice: A gascolator, drainable ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:25 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson NEWS? Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Good News from Kirkbymoorside - WHAT GOOD NEWS? --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson NEWS? At 2004-09-10 12:59 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen wrote: >Did not get any message from the club. Jos - and any others who may not have received that message - apologies! It was generated by Chairman Dave Bosomworth. He previously had problems using BCC addressing, and had relayed such bulk messages through me. However, he believed the problems were solved so went ahead and did it himself this time, using a list of members' e-mail addresses I supplied. Looks like there is till a spanner in the works somewhere. Thanks for the feedback. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (710 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:08 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: gear retraction - mono 3.40 NONSENSE BODY: String of nonsense text --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" > >Some time ago there was much discussion about the monowheel over >retracting and >contacting the brake master cylinder and the slave cylinder contacting the >tunnel >sidewall. >I find that this will indeed be the case with mine unless I do something about >it. There is also contact between the top of the caliper and the stb >rudder cable Mike you need to divert the rudder cable and also either make a bulge in the tunnel, not a nice idea, or restrict the retraction with a positive stop. With the gear up the leverage available from the handle to get it down again is zero. In this configuration it DEPENDs on gravity to start the gear down process. Any significant friction will hold the gear up, furthermore, note as the brake pads wear the calliper moves outboard and will increase the friction. One occasion, I retracted the gear with a bit more flourish than usual and when I arrived at my goal the gear would NOT come down. After a few moinutes struggle and head scratching, (and seat nibbling) a bit of turbulence increased G for a moment and down it came. I still spent an hour trying to figure out what went wrong. Graham, learn from my mistakes, not your own! ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:08 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Of interest to you all, was that he advised me that the administrators was >busy "scrubbing their files", presumably having completed their duties to >the court, so the new company may not have any record of customers' kit >deficiencies That worries me. Are they deliberately destroying evidence of the late owner's fraudulent actions? I sincerely hope not. Hang onto your evidence chaps, there are those of uis who want blood, or at least severe bruising. Graham ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:42 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Honestly Graham I would forego the blood for some glass, seat belts, and 2 doors! ;) do not archive this dribble Brian S A276 Tri Gear. Texas See my build photos at: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:25 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Carl... Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" Gascolator is mounted on the plywood panel (in the wheelwell) that the fuel pump is mounted on. Its a standard original Classic installation. I will try and take some photos in a day or so next time I go out to the airfield. Send me an email to carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk and I will send the photos when available. Carl Pattinson ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Carl... Europa-List: Fuel drain modification? > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Carl. Can you tell me where the Gacolator is located? Are photos available? > > Brian S > A276 Tri Gear. Texas > See my build photos at: > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:16 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" That's good news too, Graham. GO FOR THE BASTARD.! Then he would really be "LATE". Best Wishes for every success Bob Harrison G-PTAG do not archive > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Of interest to you all, was that he advised me that the administrators was > >busy "scrubbing their files", presumably having completed their duties to > >the court, so the new company may not have any record of customers' kit > >deficiencies > > That worries me. > Are they deliberately destroying evidence of the late owner's fraudulent > actions? I sincerely hope not. Hang onto your evidence chaps, there are > those of uis who want blood, or at least severe bruising. > Graham > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:56 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >ANR Heasdsets > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" > >Yes and No, our radio and intercom are integrated (ICOM 200) so it would >require some rejigging to integrate a new intercom box in the circuit. Might >be easier to fit an isolator switch on the mic (so you could hear incoming >transmissions but not the noise from the mikes). Carl AFAIK all com sets have a basic built in intercom. You just need to feed the mikes into an intercom that has two volume controls on input and take the output to the normal mike input. Cheap intercoms have just a single volume control, No Good unless headsets are identical. here should also be a facility that disables the P2 mike when the P1 is speaking. regards to you both graham ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:56 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: gascolators --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Bowl removal >| cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have >| found anything in the bowl so far). >| >| Nigel Charles > >I was wondering what then filters out the tank water before one starts an >engine? The water drains take a sample from the bottom of the tank >(hopefully) in an admitted large sample - at any time. The gascolator drains >off water as it approaches the engine. Ferg the Andair takes out the water. I agree checking the tank first, might give a couple of day's warning of impending embarrassment. I still recomend both, an Andair and the tank drains, easy with my tank fittings. I understand but haven't seen them yet, that the Europa NG kits will have metal lines and obviously an equivalent tank fitting to mine. Might even be cheaper ?:-) Graham ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:56 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 41 Msgs - 09/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, you wrote: >It is confirmed - a genuine sighting!!! > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > >GET A PROPER JOB PARKIN..! And do some work like the rest of us..! > >Alan Burrows >Ps I did the same yesterday :-) Wish I had his job! Not a sharp enough pilot unfortunately. Graham ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:04 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: gascolators --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" | At 23:56 09/09/2004 -0700, Nigel wrote: | >Bowl removal | >| cleaning and refitting takes no more than 3 minutes (not that I have | >| found anything in the bowl so far). | >| Nigel Charles | > | >I was wondering what then filters out the tank water before one starts an | >engine? The water drains take a sample from the bottom of the tank | >(hopefully) in an admitted large sample - at any time. The gascolator drains | >off water as it approaches the engine.| | Ferg | the Andair takes out the water. I agree checking the tank first, might give | a couple of day's warning of impending embarrassment. I still recomend | both, an Andair and the tank drains, easy with my tank fittings. | I understand but haven't seen them yet, that the Europa NG kits will have | metal lines and obviously an equivalent tank fitting to mine. Might even be | cheaper ?:-) | Graham Graham et al, Actually I wrote the above in the 'casual' mode - only not to appear to be in contest with Nigel's remarks. I humbly note that not finding water is no discovery just as no victim's complaint is proof of a murder-free society. Lack of water means a dry climate, no great change in temperature, excellent delivery quality and perhaps a composite tank. Finding water is an entirely different event. This is possible if the climate is richly variable in temp and humidity, the fuel is cached or relatively lightly delivered, the aircraft has been sitting outside on a visit or the source is not dedicated to quality. I have found this in every mode above. The Stearman has drip drains on the tanks (upper wing) and a gascolator in the lower engine bay. I have found water, paint flecks and pigeon poo in both. When you find it in the drains, sometimes the engine run-up is longer (?) I intend to find water in the drained Europa tanks and occasionally in the gascolator - every trip. I know the gascolator takes out the water. I also know the water drains do too - but they do it earlier if it's been sitting in the tank(s). Another aspect for me is the drains are easy to get at because they are behind the wing and near the side. If it's been raining overnight and the grass is now mud, I will still happily squat and check the drains. I might not be so keen to lie in the muck, but the gascolator should still intercept the bit I missed, - and I'll find out at the next stop - if I can. [I've seen this lassitude in the Forces - see where the tank drains are in the Harvard/T6]. This doesn't mean sidearms at dawn - I merely note that if you don't need the extra protection, then don't install both - and more power to you, you lucky stiffs. Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:22 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder issues --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Transponder issues | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" | | Hi all, | | I posted a similar note on the avionics list if anyone has some ideas please contact me. I have UPS SL70 mounted in my composite Europa. Up until recently it has operated faultlessly, but I a recent trip between Wisconsin and Arkansas I had several complaints from ATC that they could not see my transponder, even at 9000'. | | I am unsure if I have a problem or not, the antenna is mounted in the baggage bay, it is a simple "spike" type mounted on a piece of 6 x 6 aluminum. The cable run is fairly short and it is RG400. I have reseated the transponder, the connection to the coax and to the antenna and I can't spot any obvious problem. | | During the times that ATC were complaining I was seeing a solid reply to there integrations so the receiver seems to be working fine. I'd appreciate anyone's input on things to check or trouble shooting ideas. I'd also like to know what installations people have out there that are working fine. I am thinking that maybe I have to mount the antenna on the belly of he aircraft with a ground plane. | | Thanks, Paul Paul, I think that piece of 6x6 alu IS the ground plane. You didn't say whether it hung from the ceiling or sat all alone. That might be a difference. The only way to increase the radiation is to turn the flat disc of alu into a cone at up to 45deg from the axis of the 'spike'. this might tune the antenna more closely to the 50ohm characteristic of cable and spike. You should not have to place the spike on the exterior to improve it. Good luck, Ferg PS: - maybe the metal nearby 'blanked' your reply - try changing direction if you get a complaint. The Vampire was a wooden jet with metal wings. We used to have to 'waggle' the wings for the radar base to read us side-on. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:28 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder issues --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" Fergus Kyle wrote: >The only way to increase the radiation is to turn the flat disc > of alu into a cone at up to 45deg from the axis of the 'spike' > this might tune the antenna more closely to the 50ohm characteristic > of cable and spike. You should not have to place the spike on the > exterior to improve it. > ... > PS: - maybe the metal nearby 'blanked' your reply - try changing > direction if you get a complaint. Ferg, I agree with your analysis technically, but FAA requires only 125 watts to pass the test, which means their equipment must be able to accept some lower output, may be even 50W. The SL-70 puts out 250W, not "nominal" but minimum. These things have to 100% reliably work in the enroute IFR environment, where in the U.S., at least, they have paint you with two radar sites, and one of which can be a backstop "super site" in each sector, capable of receiving your interrogation at MEAs of only 'bout 3,000' AGL a couple hundred miles away, a rather enormous path loss. Tweaking impedance or radiation pattern I think is unlikely to fix anything, especially if ATC can receive your interrogations, under that antenna "law of reciprocity" thing! Reg, Fred F.