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1. 01:40 AM - Re: Our man (Alan Burrows)
2. 01:40 AM - Re: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton (Alan Burrows)
3. 04:56 AM - pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (s.vestuti)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (rlborger)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (Paul McAllister)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (R.C.Harrison)
7. 05:48 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (Michael Grass)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton (Jeremy Davey)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton (Jeremy Davey)
10. 07:03 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (rlborger)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (rlborger)
12. 08:14 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
13. 08:22 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (Fred R. Klein)
14. 10:05 AM - UK folks: what's your status with PFA Engineering? (Jeremy Davey)
15. 10:09 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (rlborger)
16. 11:42 AM - Re: my error (?) (rlborger)
17. 12:18 PM - Re:Pip-pins (Fred R. Klein)
18. 12:18 PM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (Al Stills)
19. 01:06 PM - Re:Pip-pins (rlborger)
20. 01:40 PM - Fw: Fw: Rotax 912 S for sale (Rowland Carson)
21. 02:23 PM - Spar pip-pin (Raimo Toivio)
22. 03:21 PM - Re: Spar pip-pin (Rob Housman)
23. 04:39 PM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (Dan Bish - N914RB)
24. 04:42 PM - Re: Re:Pip-pins (Dan Bish - N914RB)
25. 05:12 PM - Small pip-pins (rlborger)
26. 07:54 PM - Exhaust system (Gavin & Anne)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Gosh Nev
You did do a good job of fooling everyone..! They never worked out that
all you did was drink tea, talk a lot and turn up for two days a
week.:-)
Hope to see you at weekend if I can make it mate.
Good Luck
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R.
Klein
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Our man
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
--> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 9/15/04 11:51 AM, Mike Gamble at mp.gamble@virgin.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble"
> --> <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
> Nev, I am still trying to understand how the new organisation can
> exist without your presence and support. To us the builders you are
> the man. You and Andy are the Europa Factory.
> I do hope that, when things start moving, your advice and help will be
> available once again. Either way best wishes for the future.
>
> Regards
> Mike Gamble
>
>
HEAR HEAR!
Fred
A104
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| Subject: | FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hey Jeremy
Where you going to? Yes I know the USA but where?
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Sorry, Why, but you won't on this occasion. I was just the messenger and
won't be there. I'll be packing my bags for a trip to the land of the
free instead.
Don't worry, I don't mind if you, as an honorary Yorkshireman, add
interest to the amount owed. Keep the rate reasonable, I don't want to
end up having to lug a full keg along :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jeremy Who,
If the weather is not too bad, I will be there, competing in a F2B
control
line model stunt event.[next to the Police Helicopter]
I'll have that pint you promised me !
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello ,
not sure if this is any use to you but i find it very difficult if not
impossible to rig
pushing both pip pin and stb allen bolt in at the same time ( ie. both into the
port spar then both into
the stb spar ) but , if i push the port pin fully in to lock first ( with little
effort) , the stb allen bolt then
goes in all the way very easily ! ( they then have to be removed vise versa )
yours confused !
# 573
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Raimo, Rob, any others,
> My spar pip pin was broken today.
> L-shaped handle went in many pieces.
> It was one kind of battle when pulling it out,
> without any handle to pull.
> This is because my sparbushes are extremely
> tight and so far with full power I have managed
> to rigg/derigg about 25 times.
> I have always thought my spar pin is too tight
> but now I really know it. And also I know
> the reason for that: spar bushes are not
> exactly parallel (in my case). Have to do
> something for hassle.
>
> Question:
>
> What is the source of those pins?
> I would like to buy a pin with T-handle if possible.
> Is there somewhere a man with an extra pin which is sellable for me?
>
> Any tips are much appreciated.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Raimo M W Toivio, w/o spar pip pin and left knuckles w/o skin.
Me too... Only I broke the handle off when disassembling after setting
the wings. Maybe 4th disassemble. Same skinned knuckles. Very tight
fit. I think I need to remove a bit more material from the round ends
of the spars. They are too tight in the sockets.
In any case, I too need a replacement port spar pip-pin and would
prefer one with a "T" handle rather than the Europa supplied "L"
handle.
Would someone from Europa please reply? Andy?
Aircraft Spruce has smaller 1/4" quick release pins in stock. They say
"Request quote on special sizes (25 piece minimum)." See page 105 in
the latest, 2004/2005 Catalog. If there is interest, I will call them
for a quote on the minimum order and let the list know their reply.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Bob, et al
I you do locate one with a "T" handle I'd be interested. Even after 95
flying hours my pins are a real pain to get in. Putting the wings on can
take two people over 30 minutes on my aircraft.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Paul, Raimo and Others.
I assemble and dismantle mine every time I fly unless I'm on a long trip.
The wings can only be assembled by myself by putting the starboard lift pin
in , port lift pin in then starboard spar 1/2" pip pin and finally the port
1/2" pip pin. I use a rubber mallet to knock both well oiled large pip pins
into place but after breaking the one I am careful to hit only the central
part of the handle NOT the lever part. I can if I rush assemble on my own in
20 minutes including removal of the a/c and wings from the trailer (Trike)
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Bob, et al
>
> I you do locate one with a "T" handle I'd be interested. Even after 95
> flying hours my pins are a real pain to get in. Putting the wings on can
> take two people over 30 minutes on my aircraft.
>
> Paul
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi Raimo,
not sure if that will help you. McMaster Carr in the US sells both , the L
and T style, pip pins. You can find them at http://www.mcmaster.com/ and
search for "Push-Button Quick-Release Pins " or even better look for the
page 3088.
Hope this helps.
Michael Grass
A266 Trig
Detroit, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Europa-List: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> Hi All!
>
> My spar pip pin was broken today.
> L-shaped handle went in many pieces.
> It was one kind of battle when pulling it out,
> without any handle to pull.
> This is because my sparbushes are extremely
> tight and so far with full power I have managed
> to rigg/derigg about 25 times.
> I have always thought my spar pin is too tight
> but now I really know it. And also I know
> the reason for that: spar bushes are not
> exactly parallel (in my case). Have to do
> something for hassle.
>
> Question:
>
> What is the source of those pins?
> I would like to buy a pin with T-handle if possible.
> Is there somewhere a man with an extra pin which is sellable for me?
>
> Any tips are much appreciated.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Raimo M W Toivio, w/o spar pip pin and left knuckles w/o skin.
>
> OH-XRT #417
> OH-CVK
> OH-BLL
>
> 37500 Lempaala
> Finland
> tel + 358 3 3753 777
> fax + 358 3 3753 100
> gsm + 358 40 590 1450
>
> raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
> www.rwm.fi
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi, Alan,
Just off to Seattle yet again for a fix of fresh WA air :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester
Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hey Jeremy
Where you going to? Yes I know the USA but where?
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Sorry, Why, but you won't on this occasion. I was just the messenger and
won't be there. I'll be packing my bags for a trip to the land of the
free instead.
Don't worry, I don't mind if you, as an honorary Yorkshireman, add
interest to the amount owed. Keep the rate reasonable, I don't want to
end up having to lug a full keg along :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jeremy Who,
If the weather is not too bad, I will be there, competing in a F2B
control
line model stunt event.[next to the Police Helicopter]
I'll have that pint you promised me !
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester Barton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi, Alan,
Just off to Seattle yet again for a fix of fresh WA air - and some bits for
my plane :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday - Manchester
Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hey Jeremy
Where you going to? Yes I know the USA but where?
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
--> <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Sorry, Why, but you won't on this occasion. I was just the messenger and
won't be there. I'll be packing my bags for a trip to the land of the
free instead.
Don't worry, I don't mind if you, as an honorary Yorkshireman, add
interest to the amount owed. Keep the rate reasonable, I don't want to
end up having to lug a full keg along :-)
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: PFA NW Strut Fly-in this Sunday -
Manchester Barton
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi Jeremy Who,
If the weather is not too bad, I will be there, competing in a F2B
control
line model stunt event.[next to the Police Helicopter]
I'll have that pint you promised me !
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Raimo, Rob, Paul,
> If you do locate one with a "T" handle I'd be interested.
The ACS pins appear to have a "T" handle.
I have called ACS and requested a quote for 25 1/2" pins with a 3 1/2"
grip length. They say they will call as soon as they have the costing.
I will post their reply when I receive it.
Michael,
Yes, I should have thought of looking at McMaster-Carr. They have
EVERYTHING... I'll check with them as well.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Raimo, Rob, Paul, et.al.,
I went through the McMaster-Carr catalog. They have a heavy Duty
Ring-Grip Quick-Release Pin in 1/2" Diameter with double ball
retainment. It has a "T" handle. They are not available in the 3 1/2"
grip length that we require, but they do have them in 4" length. The
specs are:
Stainless Steel, Plain, Precipitation-Hardened Stainless Steel,
Quick-Release Pins, Inch, 1/2" -.005"--.002", 4" grip length +.020",
MIL-P-45952/1, 18,400 lbs.
The cost is $9.41 each.
You'd have to make up a 1/2" sleeve or stack washers to accommodate the
additional length. I don't know if this is acceptable or not.
Andy or Neville? Comments, suggestions, recommendations, can it be
used?
Still waiting on ACS...
Good building & Great Flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To All,
McMaster Carr Catalog:
A 1/2" T Handle with a 3 1/2" working length w/o lanyard p/n 90293A316 costs
$24.29 ea plus shipping.
The same part in a "L" handle costs $33.27 p/n 90302A415
Also, I thought that some builders, in order to relieve the stress of
inserting and removing these two pins, were heating up the assembled setup (both
wings and the CM) in order to temporarily soften the epoxy and realign all three
bushings for smoother use? Or did I mix something up?
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 9/16/04 6:26 AM, rlborger at rlborger@mac.com wrote:
>
> You'd have to make up a 1/2" sleeve or stack washers to accommodate the
> additional length. I don't know if this is acceptable or not.
>
Bob,
Checking pg 3088 of McMaster catalogue I find part # 90293A415 which is a
"T" handle pip pin of 1/2" Dia. of 31/2" grip range at$29.30 ea.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | UK folks: what's your status with PFA Engineering? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
(Apologies to the non-UK folks to whom this is not relevant - please delete
and enjoy doing so!)
It's the next PFA EC Meeting tomorrow night, and Engineering matters will
arise. In recent times I've been told that:
1) uncomplicated (i.e. no new executed mods included) permit renewals
are being processed within 1 working day
2) (although not applicable to most of us here) good progress has been
made with new type approvals
3) the mods backlog is down to 3 weeks to get a response (other than
the acknowledgement)
From my own build I have significant doubts about item 3) above, so I'd like
to gather some data to check what I'm hearing.
If you've got issues with any of the above (e.g. permit renewal taking 3
weeks, or waiting 3 months for response on a mod), could you please send me
brief details in a private email. But please, if the delay is at your end
(you've not responded to a request for more info, or you've included
executed mods with your renewal, for example), please don't send me info
attributing that to Engineering - I'm after hard-and-fast cases!
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fred,
> Checking pg 3088 of McMaster catalogue I find part # 90293A415 which
is a
> "T" handle pip pin of 1/2" Dia. of 31/2" grip range at$29.30 ea.
I think you will find that the 1/2" x 3 1/2" version is a "single ball"
pin. Our application requires a "two ball" pin.
OK guys, no further "ball" comments necessary. Lets keep our focus on
our aircraft and construction...
BTW, I have ordered two of the 1/2" x 4" heavy duty pins from
McMaster-Carr and will provide comments on them once they arrive.
Good Building & Great Flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: my error (?) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fred,
I don't have a catalog, I'm working on-line with the search function.
I guess I should have requested to view the catalog page.
I'll have to go back and see if I can get more detail than the very
short blurb on the search results page.
I guess I need to request a catalog from McMaster-Carr. I think I have
bought enough stuff from them to justify a catalog.
Those two pins may be suitable. At $57.08 they darned well should be
anyway.
Good building & great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Sep 16, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Fred R. Klein wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Now I am confused...
>
> From McMaster pg. 3088, I quote:
>
>> Just push and hold the button to retract the balls to insert or
>> remove
>> pin. These pins are positive-locking, the two locking balls expand
>> into the
>> center spindle to lock the pin in place.
>> Shank and spindle are precipitation-hardened stainless steel
>> (17-4PH or
>> 15-7 MO). Rockwell hardness for the shank and spindle is C40.
>> The two locking balls are stainless steel.
>
> Thus it seems that pin #90293A415 does indeed have two balls; what am I
> missing?
>
> Also, I note on pg 3090, a heavy duty dbl ball pin #90980A555 which
> has a
> welded steel "T" handle at $57.08 each which has a 3 1/2" usable
> length.
>
> (?)
>
> Fred
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
To All:
To sum up, looking at McMaster-Carr catalogue pg. 3088, you find a picture
of the aluminum "T" handle type "G" quick release pin; this APPEARS to be
EXACTLY like that supplied w/ kit. Going to pg. 3089, you find part
#90293A415 which is a "T" handle pip pin w/ 2 balls of 1/2" Dia. w/ 3 1/2"
grip range at $29.30 ea.
Also, because of the postings telling of the use of hammers to remove and
insert pins, one may be interested in a heavy duty 2 ball quick release pin,
part #90980A555 which has a welded steel "T" handle at $57.08 each, a 1/2"
pin which has a 3 1/2" usable length.
Happy building,
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
I was abel to see a finished Europa here in Phoenix this weekend and observed one
of the cleanest and easiest pip-pin arrangements I've seen to date. The hole
in the stabilator was only
about 3/4" with a large set screw to cover when installed. To get it in and out
a tool was made with a t-handle. It had approximately 6" blade that tapered
to the end and then a turn at the end, flat on top and bottom. The rings were
pulled out of the pip-pin and the tool was used to put in and pull out(being inserted
into the ring hole). Very simple and effective. Eliminates the "OOP!*
(*&#@'s. You can put in with the tool and extract (the hole is just large enough
to put tool and your finger to push the plunger).
Al Stills
A095
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fred,
WRT:
> To sum up, looking at McMaster-Carr catalogue pg. 3088, you find a
picture
> of the aluminum "T" handle type "G" quick release pin; this APPEARS
to be
> EXACTLY like that supplied w/ kit. Going to pg. 3089, you find part
> #90293A415 which is a "T" handle pip pin w/ 2 balls of 1/2" Dia. w/ 3
1/2"
> grip range at $29.30 ea.
>
> Also, because of the postings telling of the use of hammers to remove
and
> insert pins, one may be interested in a heavy duty 2 ball quick
release pin,
> part #90980A555 which has a welded steel "T" handle at $57.08 each, a
1/2"
> pin which has a 3 1/2" usable length.
I agree completely. Either of those is what we want.
Good building & great flying.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Fwd: Fw: Rotax 912 S for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Forwarded FYI:
>From: "Harry Hopkins" <jdn.hopkins@virgin.net>
>Subject: Fw: Rotax 912 S for sale
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:26:20 +0100
>
>For your information. Anyone interested?
>
>Harry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Fortescue" <mike@fortescues.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Harry Hopkins" <jdn.hopkins@virgin.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:28 PM
>Subject: Fw: Rotax 912 S for sale
>
>
>> Harry
>>
>> from a flying acquaintance (homebuilder) in Holland.
>>
>> I don't know whether the '?' represents pounds or Euros,
>> but I suggest that anyone interested contact him (not me!) to find out
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ton Kitselaar" <a.p.kitselaar@freeler.nl>
>> To: "..Subject: FLYER: Rotax 912 S for sale
>>
>>
>> > I have a ROTAX 912 S (100 HP) for sale the total time is 110 hours and
>it
>> > comes with stainless steel pipes and muffler, Flydate (+ all sensors),
>> > radiator, tank, oil cooler, gearbox, inflight adjustable prop (GSC), all
>> > electronics. The complete firewall forward installation.
>> >
>> > Price is ? 9.750,-
>> >
>> > Ton
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
To All who have thought today Pins w/Balls!
Yesterday night I was almost despair of my spar pip-pin.
Today I learned at least thinks as follows and can be happy also:
1) Obviously I managed to stir the ant hill.
2) I am not alone with tight spar bushes installation.
3) I am not the only one who managed to broke his pip-pin.
4) World is full off all kind of pins who only want to come to daddy.
5) There is maybe an order which is the best way to insert those pins.
6) I have to reposition my slightly conical washer whis is bonded on the port spar
socket.
7) I have to remove some material from the tip of the stbd spar (to get it deeper
to the socket).
8) The distance between my bushes are slightly different in the spars.
- I have to reposition one bush or/and enlarge it by reamer (carefully!)
9) My original (and now with broken handle) pip-pin shank was oval shaped and too
fat
- diameter varies from 0,495" to 0,517" = 12,573 mm - 13,132 mm
10) Europa Net People are fantastic and fast
- I will remain and wait the data of the ideal H.D. spar pip-pin w/2 balls and
T-handle
I had a fateful demo flight in Lakeland FL in 1996.
I can clearly remember how easily by one hand
Mr Roger Sheridan (?) inserted the pins before our unforgettable flight.
Eight years ago I did not understand how beautifully sight it was!
So, it is possible for all of us, also. Tight is good but not too tight.
Bob, I think the Beech wing pin is at least 1" or more.
Too big task for me to sand it to 1/2".
The best news come here:
*******************
The Northernmost Europa builder in the World
- Jos AKA Ceaser of the Lappland and Brother
of the Santa Claus - called me today and
promised me to send his ONLY spar pip-pin.
I shall got it in few hours!
Imagine: man can easily lend his wife or
even his car but this man gives his pip-pin.
Cheers, Raimo
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 spar traps and 978 hrs completed so far
OH-CVK, problems less than with my cycle.
OH-BLL, engines are still quiet but next monday they have their next chance.
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
In re: reamers
I suggest that you use an adjustable reamer such as McMaster Carr
(http://www.mcmaster.com/) part number 2987A12.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Subject: Europa-List: Spar pip-pin
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
To All who have thought today Pins w/Balls!
<snip>
8) The distance between my bushes are slightly different in the spars.
- I have to reposition one bush or/and enlarge it by reamer (carefully!)
<snip>
Cheers, Raimo
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 spar traps and 978 hrs completed so far
OH-CVK, problems less than with my cycle.
OH-BLL, engines are still quiet but next monday they have their next chance.
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Speaking of pip pins, I just installed the control column which calls for an
optional pip pin on the passenger's side. The one that came with the kit is
3/8" too short and I don't see a replacement in Aircraft Spruce. It's the
same make as the one on the tailplanes. Anybody know of a good place to get
these?
Dan
Tucson, AZ
A144 - N914RB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> on 9/16/04 6:26 AM, rlborger at rlborger@mac.com wrote:
>
> >
> > You'd have to make up a 1/2" sleeve or stack washers to accommodate the
> > additional length. I don't know if this is acceptable or not.
> >
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Checking pg 3088 of McMaster catalogue I find part # 90293A415 which is a
> "T" handle pip pin of 1/2" Dia. of 31/2" grip range at$29.30 ea.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Never mind. Found it where you pointed out. Thanks!
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re:Pip-pins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> To All:
>
> To sum up, looking at McMaster-Carr catalogue pg. 3088, you find a picture
> of the aluminum "T" handle type "G" quick release pin; this APPEARS to be
> EXACTLY like that supplied w/ kit. Going to pg. 3089, you find part
> #90293A415 which is a "T" handle pip pin w/ 2 balls of 1/2" Dia. w/ 3 1/2"
> grip range at $29.30 ea.
>
> Also, because of the postings telling of the use of hammers to remove and
> insert pins, one may be interested in a heavy duty 2 ball quick release
pin,
> part #90980A555 which has a welded steel "T" handle at $57.08 each, a 1/2"
> pin which has a 3 1/2" usable length.
>
> Happy building,
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Dan,
Back to McMaster-Carr. Starting on page 3090 and continuing on page
3091.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin & Anne" <gavanne@iconz.co.nz>
Hello everyone=85=85I have some query's on the exhaust system I'm hoping you
can help me with. I have what is probable an early XS firewall forward
package for a 912S
On unwrapping the exhaust package there were two 50mm dia aluminium
tubes 50mm long with curved flanges on the end=85=85..does anyone know what
they are for?
I have had trouble with the cowl hitting against the most forward
exhaust pipe, to the extent that I have had to cut the front of the cowl
to allow the bend in the pipe to stick through about 5mm. I will glass
this over but I was wondering if anyone else had this problem. I have an
Airmaster prop fitted which requires the front of the cowl to be 25mm
behind the prop flange which has probably caused the problem.
Can anyone tell me what the cuts in the aluminium CD1 sheet is for.
Apart from the normal holes for the radiators I have just behind the
first bend looking from the front, 3 parts of a 50mm square cut through,
is this supposed to be removed or bent down into the airflow to allow
excess air up around the muffler or what???????
Coming together more slowly than I would like
Gavin Lee=85=85=85=85.#355NZ
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