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1. 01:44 AM - Re: Exhaust system (G-IANI)
2. 02:17 AM - spar pip pin (Raimo Toivio)
3. 02:18 AM - Classic stainless steel exhausts (nigel charles)
4. 02:52 AM - Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! (David Joyce)
5. 02:56 AM - Re: Exhaust system (John Cliff)
6. 04:12 AM - Re: Exhaust system (Gavin & Anne)
7. 04:56 AM - Marlins Cheap 200g/0.1g Scales (percyville)
8. 05:43 AM - Re: Exhaust system (Gavin & Anne) (Jim Butcher)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) (David Joyce)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: pip-pin - tailplane (Fred R. Klein)
11. 09:10 AM - Europa 2004 Managment. (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
12. 10:09 AM - Wing Spar pip-pins (Fred R. Klein)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) (Fergus Kyle)
14. 02:42 PM - Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan (Aircraft Spruce)
15. 03:11 PM - Re: Classic stainless steel exhausts (Pete Lawless)
16. 10:36 PM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) (William Mills)
17. 11:23 PM - Fuel flow computer Q. (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Gavin
Unable to help with the exhaust hitting the cowl without seeing how your
cowl fits in general. I have an Airmaster prop and managed to get it clear
of the exhaust on my 914.
The three cuts in the CD1 allow the flap to be bent up to provide a jet of
cold air to the turbo of the 914. They are not needed on the 912.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
To All Who Like Pins!
While writing this,
I am keeping on my hand
a Brand New Spar Pip Pin.
Today it is Friday and it was
a night before Thurday,
when my spp was broken.
Thank You Jos!
Maybe I will get my next spare
before I need it!
What a wonderful world!
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
do not archive
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| Subject: | Classic stainless steel exhausts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
CKT have now completed the adjustment needed to their jig to ensure that
all Classic Rotax exhausts will be manufactured to the correct
tolerances. To make it worth their while doing a production run they
need at least 10 customers. At the moment 7 of you have showed interest.
If there are any more of you out there who will be requiring one of
these please let me know and I will pass the info on. Be aware that the
original exhausts were mild steel and did not last very long. They also
weigh about 2-3lb more so if you own a Classic and do not yet have a
stainless exhaust now is the time to get one.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Al, An alternative arrangement (not my invention - saw it on someone else's
plane and use it on mine) is to have a small steel cross bar in the hole in
the pip pin that the ring comes in - made from a piece of the small rat
tailed ( or really mouse tailed) files you can buy sets of very cheaply. You
can then insert or extract the pip pins from both tail plane and wing root
with a tool made of hollowed steel with two spiralling grooves cut at the
end so you 'screw it on ' to the pip pin end. You can then manage with
surface openings which are about 12mm wide. David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Stills <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: pip-pin accident! Need spare and medical help!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
<astills@senecawholesale.com>
>
> I was abel to see a finished Europa here in Phoenix this weekend and
observed one of the cleanest and easiest pip-pin arrangements I've seen to
date. The hole in the stabilator was only
> about 3/4" with a large set screw to cover when installed. To get it in
and out a tool was made with a t-handle. It had approximately 6" blade that
tapered to the end and then a turn at the end, flat on top and bottom. The
rings were pulled out of the pip-pin and the tool was used to put in and
pull out(being inserted into the ring hole). Very simple and effective.
Eliminates the "OOP!*
> (*&#@'s. You can put in with the tool and extract (the hole is just large
enough to put tool and your finger to push the plunger).
>
> Al Stills
> A095
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust system |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> On unwrapping the exhaust package there were two 50mm dia aluminium
> tubes 50mm long with curved flanges on the end=85=85..does anyone know what
> they are for?
I raised this a week or two ago for an early XS exhaust (a Heggemann). The
saddle flanges were provided to fabricate a cabin heat source by attaching
around holes made in the shroud surronding the silencer (which is attached by
two large worm drive clips).
Neville recommended throwing the flanges away (lack of heat will not be a
problem !) [Not sure about that, but I'd like a heat source separated from the
exhaust system]. The shroud should be left on (reduces heat transfer to things
above it).
He also said that the down pipe which is in two parts, with a spilt sleeve
joint, was designed to be used with no clamping around it, but that he always
added an exhaust clamp at this point.
John Cliff
#0259
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin & Anne" <gavanne@iconz.co.nz>
Hi ......yes mine is indeed a Heggemann muffler and the problem exhaust
stub is in two parts with a split sleeve joint so it must be an early
version
Thanks
Gavin Lee.....#355
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cliff
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Exhaust system
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
--> <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> On unwrapping the exhaust package there were two 50mm dia aluminium
> tubes 50mm long with curved flanges on the end=85=85..does anyone know
> what they are for?
I raised this a week or two ago for an early XS exhaust (a Heggemann).
The saddle flanges were provided to fabricate a cabin heat source by
attaching around holes made in the shroud surronding the silencer (which
is attached by two large worm drive clips).
Neville recommended throwing the flanges away (lack of heat will not be
a problem !) [Not sure about that, but I'd like a heat source separated
from the exhaust system]. The shroud should be left on (reduces heat
transfer to things above it).
He also said that the down pipe which is in two parts, with a spilt
sleeve joint, was designed to be used with no clamping around it, but
that he always added an exhaust clamp at this point.
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Marlins Cheap 200g/0.1g Scales |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
We've had extensive threads on weighing devices and these scales were
discussed in detail about 2 years ago, believe a few of you out there
have used them with success, but for information:
The pocket scales are back on promotion with 60% off in Marlins at
19.99.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=10721552&moduleno=311
24&Products=1
Doesnt look like a calibration weight is supplied this time though...
Too late for me as I bought a set of My Weigh 500g/0.1g scales several
weeks ago. Seeking to obtain a calibration weight.
Cheers
Paul.
Kit #558
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust system (Gavin & Anne) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Gavin & Anne,
We also had a problem with the stbd forward pipe hitting the cowl when
positioned for the AirMaster (Martin from AirMaster has a drawing that
clearly shows the 25mm dimension). So we made a slight bump out to clear
the pipe, keeping about the same clearance as on the port side (about 1/2").
I think Paul McAllister had problems with the heat from the pipe burning his
cowl.
The little 3 sided cutout in CD1 is for cooling the turbo on the 914. For
912 leave it as is (speeds up your build!!).
No idea what the 50mm tubes are for. We didn't get them with our FWF.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
Finally painting!!
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| Subject: | Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
William, I would dearly like to join you but cannot decently abandon Su
again as she is not terribly well at present. David
----- Original Message -----
From: William Mills <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
September)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> A number of DOTHers have expressed an interest in the "Last of the Summer
Wine", end of season, long weekend trip to France, so I am suggesting we
might like to arrange it for Thursday 23rd to Sunday 26th September. Last
year we chased the good weather and visited Chauvigny, Bergerac,
Ill-Doleron, and Honfleur. Most enjoyable with lots of summer wine.
> If anybody is interested, please drop me a line, or phone on 01495 785
499.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
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| Subject: | Re: pip-pin - tailplane |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
David,
I am a bit confused at what you describe...any chance that you could post a
picture of the pin and the "inserter/extractor"?
Fred
A194
on 9/17/04 1:52 AM, David Joyce at davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> An alternative arrangement (not my invention - saw it on someone else's
> plane and use it on mine) is to have a small steel cross bar in the hole in
> the pip pin that the ring comes in - made from a piece of the small rat
> tailed ( or really mouse tailed) files you can buy sets of very cheaply. You
> can then insert or extract the pip pins from both tail plane and wing root
> with a tool made of hollowed steel with two spiralling grooves cut at the
> end so you 'screw it on ' to the pip pin end. You can then manage with
> surface openings which are about 12mm wide.
David Joyce G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Europa 2004 Managment. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello All:
A few days ago there were many posts on how the new Europa 2004 management
was or was not handling the situations on many issues including backordered
parts and in particular, service to the United States customer base and market.
.
Please note that my intention is not to start that thread again! I think we
have all voiced our concerns and opinion quite effectively. < Present company
included!> The reason for this post is to reassure. I thought that I would
spread some good news about what I perceive as straightforward progression for
the Europa company.
I was contacted by Andy this week. He acknowledged that he has received my
list of missing parts for A276. In addition he gave me a list of what could be
shipped immediately and some expected timelines on the items not presently in
stock.
Things are looking up gentlemen! These folks are working very hard right
now.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Wing Spar pip-pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
In re-reading my posting of yesterday, I find an error which I would like to
correct as follows:
I wrote:
> To sum up, looking at McMaster-Carr catalogue pg. 3088, you find a picture of
> the aluminum "T" handle type "G" quick release pin; this APPEARS to be EXACTLY
> like that supplied w/ kit. Going to pg. 3089, you find part #90293A415 which
> is a "T" handle pip pin w/ 2 balls of 1/2" Dia. w/ 3 1/2" grip range at $29.30
> ea.
What I intended and should have written was:
"looking at McMaster-Carr catalogue pg. 3088, you find a picture of the
aluminum "L" handle type "D" quick release pin; this APPEARS to be EXACTLY
like that supplied w/ kit." On pg. 3089, you will find it listed as part
#90302A415, a 1/2" dia. pin w/ 2 balls and a 3 1/2" usable length for $33.27
ea.
You will also find a picture of the aluminum "T" handle type "G". Going to
pg. 3089, you find part #90293A415 which is a "T" handle pip pin w/ 2 balls
of 1/2" dia. w/ 3 1/2" usable length at $29.30 ea.
For those with a "hammer to fit" situation, the heavy duty 2 ball quick
release pin, part #90980A555 which has a welded steel "T" handle at $57.08
each, a 2 ball 1/2" pin w/ a 3 1/2" usable length, may be just the ticket.
Sorry for any confusion...now back to mix some resin!
Happy building,
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
September)
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
|
| William, I would dearly like to join you but cannot decently abandon Su
| again as she is not terribly well at present. David
David,
Oh my. Please give her my sympathy and hope for early return to
robust health. There will be the last of the summer wine in 2005
too.............
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan |
da2a@yahoogroups.com, Aircar@yahoogroups.com,
canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com, Corby_Starlet@yahoogroups.com,
navion_aircraft_mail@yahoogroups.com, piper-cub-builders@yahoogroups.com,
quicksilverultralightowners@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com,
subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com, europa-list@matronics.com,
kitfox-list@matronics.com, kolb-list@matronics.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce <fun_plane@yahoo.com>
Builders,
Thanks for bringing the matter of Fuel Mizer vs.
NavMan fuel computers to our attention. We have
carried Fuel Mizer for a couple of years and had never
heard of NavMan. We asked the manufacturer of NavMan
about the difference in the units, and as you can see
from the following commentary there is definitely a
difference, only the Fuel Mizer is recommended for
Aviation use. Fuel Mizer has been thoroughly tested
in aviation applications and is certified for
CAO-95-45 aircraft in the Australia.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President, Aircraft Spruce
----- Original Message -----
From: SlipStream Industries, Inc.
Subject: Questions Regarding Fuel Mizer
Dear Jim:
I am forwarding an email I received from Ole Jensen,
President of Boss Products, the manufacturer of the
Fuel Mizer under license from Navman. SlipStream is
Boss Product's North American distributor. In his
response to the questions posed yesterday, he
references certain modifications and approvals
received for use of this product in aviation. The
exact language found on the cover of the Installation
and Instruction manual is as follows:
This instrument has been modified to comply with
Australian Engineering order HEO-469 and certified for
CAO 95-25 type aircraft in Australia.
Please let me know if you have any questions, or
desire any further information.
Kindest regards,
Mike Puhl
SlipStream International
----- Original Message -----
From: Ole Jensen
Subject: Re: Mizer.
Dear Mike:
The question raised regarding the Navman fuel
flow meter and the Mizer is a common one that has been
around for many years and a lot of people have lost
money and endangered themselves by purchasing the
Navman for use in aviation. Nearly all the Navman
units purchased for this application have failed and
Navman refuses to replace them under warranty. Several
years ago we negotiated with Navman and paid a
licensing fee that enabled us to make the appropriate
modifications for use in aviation. In addition, the
Mizer has been registered with CASA (the equivalent to
your FAA) and certified by a qualified aeronautical
engineer. Boss Products paid to have the appropriate
modifications made for use in civil aviation, and
these modifications have been improved upon several
times since. As a result, the Mizer enjoys an
excellent reliability record and has been certified
according to CAO order no.HEO-469 as printed on the
cover of the installation manual.
Any one doubting the validity of our agreement
with Navman is free to contact the Vice President of
Navman in New Zealand, Mr. Mark Michell, and he will
verify these facts. Boss Products is the only company
in the world licensed to modify and distribute this
particular product. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous
marine dealers still offer the Navman for use in
unapproved applications despite the knowledge that the
manufacturer strictly prohibits this practice. Greed
and ignorance are usually the motivator. I can also
tell you that the price differences between the Navman
and Fuel Mizer are reasonably close, especially
considering the potential danger for misuse in a
non-approved aviation application. Further, I spoke
with Navman earlier today and was told that no one in
the U.S. is offering this unit for anywhere close to
US $99.00, and that the suggested retail price is US
$299.00, though they offer special MAP pricing from
time to time.
Hope this helps to clear up this issue. Please let me
know if I can be of further assistance in any way.
Regards,
Ole Jensen
President
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| Subject: | Classic stainless steel exhausts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Nigel How much money are we talking about?
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel
charles
Subject: Europa-List: Classic stainless steel exhausts
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
--> <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
CKT have now completed the adjustment needed to their jig to ensure that
all Classic Rotax exhausts will be manufactured to the correct
tolerances. To make it worth their while doing a production run they
need at least 10 customers. At the moment 7 of you have showed interest.
If there are any more of you out there who will be requiring one of
these please let me know and I will pass the info on. Be aware that the
original exhausts were mild steel and did not last very long. They also
weigh about 2-3lb more so if you own a Classic and do not yet have a
stainless exhaust now is the time to get one.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th September) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
David,
So sorry to hear about Su and I do hope she has a speedy recovery. Please
give her my best wishes.
We will drink our wine to absent friends and look forward to seeing you
soon.
Regards,
William
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
September)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> William, I would dearly like to join you but cannot decently abandon Su
> again as she is not terribly well at present. David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Mills <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine - 2004 (23rd to 26th
> September)
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> >
> > A number of DOTHers have expressed an interest in the "Last of the
Summer
> Wine", end of season, long weekend trip to France, so I am suggesting we
> might like to arrange it for Thursday 23rd to Sunday 26th September. Last
> year we chased the good weather and visited Chauvigny, Bergerac,
> Ill-Doleron, and Honfleur. Most enjoyable with lots of summer wine.
> > If anybody is interested, please drop me a line, or phone on 01495 785
> 499.
> > Best wishes,
> > William
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Fuel flow computer Q. |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
How have others mounted transducer (s) on the fuel line (s) on 914
installations?
Thinking of the fuel-return-line.
Regards
Gert Dalgaard
#151
OY-GDS
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