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1. 01:28 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Gilles Thesee)
2. 03:16 AM - Oregon Aero Seating (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 05:06 AM - Fuel filter gets empy (Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Maplins Cheap 200g/0.1g Scales (percyville)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (Joe Proctor)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Fuel filter gets empy (Rocketman)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (Rocketman)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse (Fergus Kyle)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Alan Burrows)
10. 01:04 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Duncan McFadyean)
11. 01:15 PM - Landing Gear Frame to Fuse (s.vestuti)
12. 01:22 PM - AOPA Expo 2004 (Paul Boulet)
13. 01:33 PM - Re: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse (Alan)
14. 01:39 PM - Europa parts on ebay (Paul)
15. 01:43 PM - AW: Oregon Aero Seating (Europa (Alfred Buess))
16. 02:43 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (bryan allsop)
17. 02:57 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (SteveD)
18. 03:46 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/19/04 (Graham Singleton)
19. 03:46 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/19/04 (Graham Singleton)
20. 03:54 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Duncan McFadyean)
21. 04:06 PM - Re: AOPA Expo 2004 (Jim Brown)
22. 06:18 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (Kingsley Hurst)
23. 06:45 PM - Aircooled vs. liquid cooled (Fergus Kyle)
24. 07:32 PM - Copper State Fly-In (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
25. 08:35 PM - Re: Copper State Fly-In (Dan Bish - N914RB)
26. 10:36 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (Joe Proctor)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Andrew, Andy and all,
The French kit builder Dyn Aero is currently installing Jabiru engines in
his two seater and four seater models. As is often the case in new setups,
there are still a few details to work out in order to have the installation
perform and cool correctly.
What is interesting in the process is that we can make direct comparisons
between the proven Rotax installation and the new Jabiru firewall forward
packages.
The main issues to date are cooling and design or choice of a propeller.
They've just built a Jabiru powered demonstrator two seater at just 225 kg
empty weight for 450 MTOW. I've not flown the machine yet, but it is
impressive indeed.
Now it is fair to admit there are a few difference between the performance
of Rotax and Jabiru :
- The propeller is EXTREMELY noisy at takeoff, whereas the noise level in
flight is acceptable. On the contrary the Rotax installation are remarkably
quiet. We talked about the prop, and indeed there is a catch with the Jab :
if you want the power, you need prop diameter and do make noise. If you
reduce the diameter to reduce tip speed you loose efficiency and available
power.
- The performance is slightly less with the Jab, but when you're looking for
the ultimate weight saving this might not be an issue.
Now Andy, just a few remarks:
>
> 1. Simplicity. The Jabiru is designed as an aircraft engine, uses all
> 'aircraft' (AN/SAE) fastenings,
- This is a non-issue since we've been using metric system since the French
Revolution ;-) Nevertheless I understand our US friends may be reluctant to
change from their old units from Colonial times ;-D
is direct-drive and air cooled. No gearbox,
> radiator, header tank, fluid pipework, etc.
- The Jabiru does have an oil cooler, so there IS some pipe work to do after
all. OTH the Rotax does LOOK complicated, but the installation is a breeze.
Bolt it on, connect the oil and water hoses, and voila.
To date I've not heard of any gearbox trouble.
> 5. Sound. The Jabiru's maximum RPM is 3300, not over 6000.
>
- The sound has nothing to do with the engine RPM : at low RPM, the Jabiru
3300 has an nice and moderate growling note, whereas as stated above the
2200 makes a lot of noise at takeoff RPM.
The Rotax engines are extremely quiet, mainly due - I suppose- to the slow
turning prop. By the way, the max RPM on the Rotax is 5800 RPM, not "over
6000" ;-)
To sum it up, the Jabiru 2200 considered as a very light and simple engine
for a two seater. In a four seater (325 kg empty with a 912S) the 3300 poses
problems due to it's length and forward CG location. The weight are rather
close between the 3300 and the Rotax engines.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
I understand from Oregon Aero that a few seat cushions have now been
supplied to Europa owners / builders.
If any of you out there are a recipient of any of these cushions, I
would appreciate your opinions please. A photo or two of same sent
directly to me or preferably for the benefit of all, to the Forum
Gallery at
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=inde
x
would be very much appreciated too.
Landed in Australia, these cushions are not cheap so I am trying to be
as sure as I can that I will not be disappointed if I lash out and
ignore the expense.
Many thanks
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | Fuel filter gets empy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier" <Javier.Barahona@aeasa.com>
Hi Everyone,
Lately, when flying, I observe that the fuel filter tends to get empty. What I
do then is to connect the auxiliary electrical pump and the filter fill up again.
I do not know if that happens because the mechanical pump is deteriorating or
because I have some air leaks in the fuel circuit.
Could anyone advise me?
Thanks in advance
Javier Barahona
EC-ZDH
Kit 187
Rotax 912 UL
Monowheel
153 h
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| Subject: | Maplins Cheap 200g/0.1g Scales |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Thanks John that seems extremely sensible, I'm intending to test this
with several new 2pence pieces as advised in an earlier post.
Apologies for my spelling mistake I meant Maplins and not in the
Hi-de-Hi sense! fingers were typing faster than my slow brain can cope
with...
I shall also be employing method of covering the scales with a sheet of
cling film to protect it from spillages that I learned from Svien
Johnsen.
Cheers
Paul.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff"
<mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Too late for me as I bought a set of My Weigh 500g/0.1g scales several
> weeks ago. Seeking to obtain a calibration weight.
You will not, of course, need a calibration weight if the only
application is to
build your a/c. All that matters is the linearity, i.e. that a reading
of, say,
100g really is 4 times as much as a reading of 25g. This can be checked
readily
with a bag of objects of the same weight (such as AN nuts).
[I checked this on my scale and the linearity was spot-on. I also
checked the
readings with another scale of the same type, all the way up the scale,
and they
were all but identical.]
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hi Kingsley,
Having taken my cockpit module out to Oregon Aero for a sample for them to
make seats from, I am trying to fit in the time to go out there to retrieve
my module and cushions. Dave Esterline is the contact person with Oregon
Aero at 503-543-7399. Since I will not have a completed aircraft for some
time to come I doubt that I would be able to offer any constructive
criticism except that I will be able to sit in my shop and make noise with a
fan blowing in my face.
Re,
Joe Proctor A272
pjoe2@qwest.net , 503-654-5805
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Oregon Aero Seating
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
>
> I understand from Oregon Aero that a few seat cushions have now been
> supplied to Europa owners / builders.
>
>> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=inde
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filter gets empy |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Barahona Alonso, Francisco Javier" <Javier.Barahona@aeasa.com>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>Lately, when flying, I observe that the fuel filter tends to get empty. What I
do then is to connect the auxiliary electrical pump and the filter fill up again.
>
>I do not know if that happens because the mechanical pump is deteriorating or
because I have some air leaks in the fuel circuit.
>
>Could anyone advise me?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Javier Barahona
>
>
>
>
Generally, air is introduced into the system when there is a leak,
somewhere, upstream of the filter, or point where you're seeing the
air. Though certainly not the only reason, it is the most likely. You
might try checking for restrictions in the tank vent, also. A bad pump,
ahead of the filter is also a possibility....
--
Jeff - A055
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Joe Proctor wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
>
>Hi Kingsley,
>
>Having taken my cockpit module out to Oregon Aero for a sample for them to
>make seats from, I am trying to fit in the time to go out there to retrieve
>my module and cushions. Dave Esterline is the contact person with Oregon
>Aero at 503-543-7399. Since I will not have a completed aircraft for some
>time to come I doubt that I would be able to offer any constructive
>criticism except that I will be able to sit in my shop and make noise with a
>fan blowing in my face.
>
>Re,
>
>Joe Proctor A272
>
>pjoe2@qwest.net , 503-654-5805
>
>
>
>
Joe,
I, too would be very interested in seeing your seats. Maybe just a pic,
or two with them placed in the cockpit module?
--
Jeff - A055
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
|
| Gidday,
| I am about to mount the landing gear frame to the front of the fuse, to
| bolt it up to the sides of the tunnel. So, I note on page 22-2 of my Issue
| 4 manual it states:
| "The correct location for the trame is when the top and side tubes which
| are in the vertical plane are within 1.5 to 3 mm (1/16"-1/8") of the
| firewall vertical plane."
|
| OK, I can do that but then it states:
| "Ensure that there is a gap between the top tube and the fuselage
structure
| of at least 5mm (3/16") for the rubber bungee, which assists landing gear
| retraction, to squeeze through"
|
| There is a problem in that both tubes are in the same alignment. When you
| get the vertical one at 5 mm and the base of the frame at 1.5-3 mm you
| create a wedge shaped, non consistent gap. If the top tube was set back
| from the vertical face when in position, all would be well, and this is
| what I expected after glancing at the frame and reading the manual. I am
| building a taildragger so it doesn't matter as much that I don't get the
| top 5 mm gap perfectly, but I am anxious that the cowls for example are
set
| up on this dimension, so I should maintain it irrespective of my
| undercarriage setup. Oh, whilst I think of it, I am wondering if the frame
| I should fill with redux where I bolt it up to the fuse? My mate downunder
| reckons it is just extra weight, and not in the manual. I have a long and
| chequered history of tightening things too much, and fear the same with
the
| landing gear frame mounting bolts. So, anyone else filled the area for
| bolting with flox and redux??? (I have plenty of out of date redux so
using
| it is not an issue for me)
|
| Reg
| Tony Renshaw
| Sydney Australia
Tony,
I had the same reservations, but a comrade noted that the bottom
lateral frame component carries the mainwheel axis and for this reason needs
to be exactly athwartships, so I used that as a criterion rather than the
upper tube which only runs the top of the bungee formation. Is that of any
use?
Ferg
A064
PS: Saves taking off in a circle.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Guys
Anyone else want one of these battery operated fuel pumps as I still
have a few left before I offer them to my Kart race friends. They cost
29 each including post & package. If your thinking of one later then I
probably wont have them much longer as this is not a business for me and
my secretary is getting fed up of tripping over them in the office:-)
Cheers
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
What 'MIGHT be' is somewhat different from 'what IS'!
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
>
> Andrew,
>
> You're not alone in your views about the 'firewall-forward' part of the
> kit-build so often conveniently overlooked by kit manufacturers! I
fairness
> I suppose, to all kit companies (except Jabiru, who I think are unique
> selling both aircraft and engines), the Firewall-Forward is 'Somebody
Else's
> Problem'. Kit manufacturers tend to concentrate on airframe support, and
why
> not? Having said that, I do applaud Europa's long-standing support for the
> Rotax setups and I'm not here to rubbish Rotax in favor of Jabiru. However
> (!), I ask potential engine customers to consider the following issues:
>
> 1. Simplicity. The Jabiru is designed as an aircraft engine, uses all
> 'aircraft' (AN/SAE) fastenings, is direct-drive and air cooled. No
gearbox,
> radiator, header tank, fluid pipework, etc.
> 2. Reliability. Jabiru engines have a 2000 hour TBO, with a 1000 hour
> recommended top-end overhaul - essentially changing the piston rings and
> re-honing the bores, and maybe re-seating the valve seats if necessary. No
> need to split the crankcase until 2000 hours.
> 3. Cost of ownership. Jabiru parts are around 1/2 the cost of equivalent
> Rotax parts, and the cost of TBO overhaul, parts and labor, is currently
> around $6500 all-in, and remember it's at 2000 hours, so the cost-per-hour
> is very competitive with those having lower published TBOs.
> 4. Flexibility in use. The engine runs equally well on AvGas or premium
> auto-gas (minimum 93 Octane), and uses regular aviation oil.
> 5. Sound. The Jabiru's maximum RPM is 3300, not over 6000.
>
> OK, that's about as close as I'll get to a hard-sell on here; I respect
that
> these lists are for inter-owner technical information and opinion and not
> necessarily for heavy marketing or 'our product is better than theirs'.
All
> I ask is that prospective customers look closely at the alternatives and
> decide based on their own preferences. I'll be happy to provide more
> information or enter discussion here if members are interested....
>
> Andy Silvester
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ACJARVIS1@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>
> Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I
had
> naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe was
> built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax, connect
> the fuel
> and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking
feeling
> it's not that simple....
>
> Reading all the technical snags people are running into makes me wonder.
I
> know for a fact that if snags are out there, I will get the lot.
>
> At least I have the luxury of time before I have to send someone another
> huge sum of money (for the engine that is- and maybe this time I'll get
the
>
> goods I paid for.) But now a new dilemma- should the money go to Austria
or
> Australia?
>
> My point is , no doubt many builders would be very interested in a nicely
> cowled Jabiru option; but would it be a better choice than the Rotax? if
so
> will it be easier to fit, more reliable, more economical, etc etc?
> Obviously
> the hiatus in Kirkbymoorside offers Jabiru an ideal chance to come up with
a
>
> brand new firewall- forward package, but ....how does one decide which
> engine to
> buy? And then what about these diesels? Heavy and smelly but so much
> simpler...so ,sell me an engine, Andy at Suncoast Sportplanes!
>
>
> Andrew Jarvis 599 [wingless wonder]
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Frame to Fuse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello tony,
if it is any use to you , i was told to fit the landing gear
frame as per the manual ( ie 1.5 - 3mm gap
behind both vertical tubes ) but , to then round off the top of the front of the
cockpit module in order to allow the
noseleg bungee sufficient clearance .
steve
# 573 xs tri
building the flap root ext.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi All;
I know it's a bit early but start thinking about the convention 10/21 to 10/23.
This year it's at Long Beach, CA convention center and always a blast.
Let me know if anyone's going and wants to ride up together. I'll be coming from
West Los Angeles/ Malibu area
Paul Boulet
N914PB
Awaiting further testing from test pilot's schedule
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Tony,
I leveled the fuselage then set up the vertical frame to be vertical and
top of the frame to be horizontal at the required gap to allow bungee cord
to fit.
Made sure the landing gear when bolted onto the lower frame, mines a
monowheel, was horizontal and the centre of the undercart aligned with the
centre line of the fuselage.
Bolted all together with Redux between the frame and tunnel only. The tubes
filled with Silicone to seal from water/dirt/birdsnests etc.
I think crushing the steel might prove hard, especially with the normal
spanners you can get into the area for doing up the nuts.
Alan
#303
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame to Fuse
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am about to mount the landing gear frame to the front of the fuse, to
> bolt it up to the sides of the tunnel. So, I note on page 22-2 of my Issue
> 4 manual it states:
> "The correct location for the trame is when the top and side tubes which
> are in the vertical plane are within 1.5 to 3 mm (1/16"-1/8") of the
> firewall vertical plane."
>
> OK, I can do that but then it states:
> "Ensure that there is a gap between the top tube and the fuselage
structure
> of at least 5mm (3/16") for the rubber bungee, which assists landing gear
> retraction, to squeeze through"
>
> There is a problem in that both tubes are in the same alignment. When you
> get the vertical one at 5 mm and the base of the frame at 1.5-3 mm you
> create a wedge shaped, non consistent gap. If the top tube was set back
> from the vertical face when in position, all would be well, and this is
> what I expected after glancing at the frame and reading the manual. I am
> building a taildragger so it doesn't matter as much that I don't get the
> top 5 mm gap perfectly, but I am anxious that the cowls for example are
set
> up on this dimension, so I should maintain it irrespective of my
> undercarriage setup. Oh, whilst I think of it, I am wondering if the frame
> I should fill with redux where I bolt it up to the fuse? My mate downunder
> reckons it is just extra weight, and not in the manual. I have a long and
> chequered history of tightening things too much, and fear the same with
the
> landing gear frame mounting bolts. So, anyone else filled the area for
> bolting with flox and redux??? (I have plenty of out of date redux so
using
> it is not an issue for me)
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, and module most recently installed.
> Tail Torque Tube installed.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
sticky
> situation
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa parts on ebay |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
Europa parts on ebay if anyone's interested, including cowls, spinner, new
warp drive prop,windscreens etc.
Search under aircraft parts !
Paul.
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| Subject: | Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
Hi Kingsley
Oregon Aero made a set of seat cushions for my bird. I ordered them
unupholstered as I expected that the cushions had to be trimmed to fit
perfectly - and so it is. The price was $ 300 per seat (bottom and back
cushion) plus shipping (Fedex to Switzerland: $ 115). The quality of the
foam cushions is excellent. Trimming is necessary however as the gaps
for the wing spar bolts are not high enough, especially on the starboard
side (bracket that holds the bolt) and as I have some wiring in the seat
area that interferes with the cushions. I asked Oregon Aero to make
three bottom cushions of different thickness as my plane will be used by
people of different height (and the head position of the pilot should
always be as high as possible). Customer support from Oregon Aero in my
case was always OK. In short: I am satisfied with what I got, although
it is not really cheap.
I put some pictures with short comments on the web:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Builders-Album&op=m
odload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Is this the kind of information you were looking for?
Regards,
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32
E-Mail: albuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS,
still (and slowly) building
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
--> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
I understand from Oregon Aero that a few seat cushions have now been
supplied to Europa owners / builders.
If any of you out there are a recipient of any of these cushions, I
would appreciate your opinions please. A photo or two of same sent
directly to me or preferably for the benefit of all, to the Forum
Gallery at
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=inde
x
would be very much appreciated too.
Landed in Australia, these cushions are not cheap so I am trying to be
as sure as I can that I will not be disappointed if I lash out and
ignore the expense.
Many thanks
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
<Can't do.
<Would have thought difficult for Bryan too.
<Although VERY early Thursday looks equally as good; small ridge before the
winds really pick up in S England.
<Would have to work around Gabriel and the jet corridor may well be active
at the same times, inhibiting further progress to the South at that time.
<Sounds like William may be flying the first twin-engined Europa from
Holland onwards!
Hi Duncan.
Sorry but your message is a bit too criptic for me, Are you suggesting that
the weather looks crap till Friday (too crap for me to fly in)? Or, are you
suggesting that putting things back to when the 'Weather Musings' man thinks
it will revert to normal. ie, the week-end.
Cheers. Bryan
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| Subject: | RE: Oregon Aero Seating |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Hi all,
The short link to the Oregon Aero seat photos is:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/album108
My email program broke the long link, so if Alfreds link doesn't work for you try
the one above.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/Gallery
Gets you to the Gallery index......
Steved.
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/19/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 19/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Also had the old girl weighed Friday, monowheel 912S with 24 A/H battery,
>metal
>tie downs, big fire extinguisher, pretty full panel, unuseable fuel, full oil,
>vacuum system, weight 803 LB.(as measured by Plane Weights).
Congratulations, that's pretty good for a fully equipped Europa
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 09/19/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 19/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> Reading all the technical snags people are running into makes me wonder. I
>know for a fact that if snags are out there, I will get the lot.
>
> My point is , no doubt many builders would be very interested in a nicely
>cowled Jabiru option; but would it be a better choice than the Rotax? if so ,
>will it be easier to fit, more reliable, more economical, etc etc? Obviously
>the hiatus in Kirkbymoorside offers Jabiru an ideal chance to come up with a
>brand new firewall- forward package, but ....how does one decide which
>engine to
>
>buy? And then what about these diesels? Heavy and smelly but so much
>simpler...so ,sell me an engine, Andy at Suncoast Sportplanes!
An aircooled engine will never be as good as a liquid cooled one, (other
things being equal) and a geared prop will always be more efficient than a
direct drive, props need to run slow to be efficient and engines need to
run quite fast.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
William thinks that it will be possible to get away tomorrow. That may be OK
for him, but as you are coming from N Derbys/S Yorks, the end of a warm
front currently forecast for "up North" may prevent you from getting away.
Still very windy both days until well in to North France.
Gabriel is the air exercise taking place in France Weds. and Thurs; like
operation Clean Hunter last June but seemingly less restrictive (i.e. we can
go over or under it)..
There may be a window of weather opportunity early Thurs. am, but the
current synoptic forecast shows two interpretations: one marginal situation
and one impossible. Otherwise crap until Saturday. Jet streams are right
over the centre of the UK at the moment, so no short term improvement.
William is going to look at a 912S Holland. If he brings it back in the
back of the Europa (unlikely) then he would have two engines.
I'd prefer to put it back or delay to a more promising week, but William has
other commitments; thought you retired folk were free agents?
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> <Can't do.
> <Would have thought difficult for Bryan too.
> <Although VERY early Thursday looks equally as good; small ridge before
the
> winds really pick up in S England.
>
> <Would have to work around Gabriel and the jet corridor may well be active
> at the same times, inhibiting further progress to the South at that time.
>
> <Sounds like William may be flying the first twin-engined Europa from
> Holland onwards!
>
> Hi Duncan.
> Sorry but your message is a bit too criptic for me, Are you suggesting
that
> the weather looks crap till Friday (too crap for me to fly in)? Or, are
you
> suggesting that putting things back to when the 'Weather Musings' man
thinks
> it will revert to normal. ie, the week-end.
> Cheers. Bryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Expo 2004 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Paul Boulet wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All;
>
> I know it's a bit early but start thinking about the convention 10/21 to 10/23.
This year it's at Long Beach, CA convention center and always a blast.
>
> Let me know if anyone's going and wants to ride up together. I'll be coming
from West Los Angeles/ Malibu area
>
> Paul Boulet
>
> N914PB
>
> Awaiting further testing from test pilot's schedule
>
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| Subject: | Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Alfred Buess wrote :
> Oregon Aero made a set of seat cushions for my bird. . . . .
> Is this the kind of information you were looking for?
Exactly thank you Alfred. Our mutual friend Jac van Heeswijk has also
sent your photos to me so I am most grateful.
And Joe Proctor wrote :
> I doubt that I would be able to offer any constructive
criticism except that I will be able to sit in my shop and make noise
with a
fan blowing in my face.
Thanks to you too Joe. I can relate to the making noises bit as this is
all I am able to do at the moment too.
Regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Aircooled vs. liquid cooled |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Graham:
"An aircooled engine will never be as good as a liquid cooled one, (other
things being equal)..........."
I dunno. I heard US Navy guys from the Pacific say, "you can fly a
radial twice as far as you can ship an inline...........""
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Copper State Fly-In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To All,
Even before the Long Beach AOPA get together......there is the Copper State
Fly-In. Will there be any Europa's there? Or even some Europa builders?
My wife and I will travel down to Copper State for some warmth (it only got
to 75' F here in Redding today!...BRRRRR!!! ) and are going to try and make the
AOPA Long Beach event on the return trip.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: Copper State Fly-In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish - N914RB" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Duane,
Regarding Copper State, I plan to be there as, I'm sure, are many other area
builders. There's usually a good turn out of Europa folk. Don't know if
there will be any Europas there; maybe Kim Prout will make it again, as he
did in the days before Europa's problems. All going should respond so we can
exchange cell numbers or pick a spot to meet.
Dan Bish
A144- N914RB
30-40% complete (or there abouts)
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Copper State Fly-In
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> To All,
>
> Even before the Long Beach AOPA get together......there is the Copper
State
> Fly-In. Will there be any Europa's there? Or even some Europa builders?
>
> My wife and I will travel down to Copper State for some warmth (it only
got
> to 75' F here in Redding today!...BRRRRR!!! ) and are going to try and
make the
> AOPA Long Beach event on the return trip.
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
> that.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hi Jeff,
As soon as I get the module back I'll take some pictures for you and post
them for all to see.
I'm closing in on my private ticket now so I should be able to start on my
plane soon, very time consuming but I'm not complaining, I love it.
Joe Proctor A-272
pjoe2@qwest.net 503-654-5805
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From: "Rocketman" <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oregon Aero Seating
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