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1. 01:38 AM - OT: Europa glider pilots (percyville)
2. 06:11 AM - Last of the Summer Wine Trip (bryan allsop)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (bryan allsop)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: OT: Europa glider pilots (Jim Puglise)
5. 07:45 AM - Re: Jabiru (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Classic stainless steel exhausts (nigel charles)
7. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (Gilles Thesee)
8. 10:44 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (UVTReith@aol.com)
9. 11:12 AM - Fw: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins (rlborger)
10. 11:43 AM - Re: Fw: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins (Alan Burrows)
11. 12:08 PM - pip pins (Fred R. Klein)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Fw: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins (Trevpond@aol.com)
13. 12:21 PM - Re: Aircooled vs. liquid cooled (Duncan McFadyean)
14. 01:26 PM - Re: pip pins (rlborger)
15. 01:37 PM - Re: FW: Fly-In Airborne 2004 at Stadtlohn-Vreden / Germany 24.-26.09.04 (Paddy Clarke)
16. 02:07 PM - E-mail address (Al Stills)
17. 02:08 PM - Europa company website (percyville)
18. 02:41 PM - Re: OT: Europa glider pilots (RK Hallett III)
19. 02:48 PM - Re: Europa company website (John & Amy Eckel)
20. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: pip pins (R.C.Harrison)
21. 03:09 PM - Re: E-mail address (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
22. 03:19 PM - Last of the Summer Wine (bryan allsop)
23. 03:37 PM - Re: Oregon Aero Seating (Rocketman)
24. 04:10 PM - Re: E-mail address (Al Stills)
25. 04:10 PM - Upcoming Fly-In (Rocketman)
26. 04:11 PM - Main Spar Pip Pins (rlborger)
27. 05:41 PM - Re: E-mail address (Paul McAllister)
28. 06:19 PM - conventional gear w/glider wings? (Joe Proctor)
29. 06:41 PM - Re: conventional gear w/glider wings? (Jeremy Davey)
30. 06:53 PM - Re: conventional gear w/glider wings? (Robert Berube)
31. 08:35 PM - Current Europa 2004 Contact info (David Legge dlegge)
32. 09:22 PM - Re: E-mail address (JEFF ROBERTS)
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| Subject: | OT: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Just wondered what proportion of Europa builders/flyers are really
glider pilots at heart??
Cheers
Paul ("the bloody glider pilot!!")
Jastreb/VTC Standard Cirrus G81 - HNM
XS Monowheel kit 558
>--> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>
>Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I
had
>naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe
was
>built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax,
connect >the fuel
>and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking
feeling
>it's not that simple....
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| Subject: | Last of the Summer Wine Trip |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Thanks for deligating the co-ordination to me William. -No pressure!
I am told that sex is at it's best just prior to death by strangulation. Is it
equally possible that the joy of flying is only experienced by those of us spnniing
into the ground just before departing this life?
Whilst it is most unlikely that I will ever experience the former, there is a strong
probabilty that the latter would be the outcome of trying to fly out of
Coal Aston in the current gales.I fly for fun, and I cant see much fun in the
weather untill Friday.
So forgive me folks if I decline to join you on Wednesday.
Brian Hutchinson and I will be seeking the 'First of the Autumn Wine' instead,
by flying out to on Friday to Le Mans.
If any one fancies joining us please e-mail me, or phone 07957 818787. Sorry William,
but I am sure that others made of sterner stuff than me will join you.
Happy Flying! Bryan Allsop
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Yes Duncan!
I have put back my departure till Friday. What do you think? It's all the
same to us retired old gits, but I shall be missing out on a game of golf.
Regards Bryan. PS See my other e-mail on the list
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> William thinks that it will be possible to get away tomorrow. That may be
OK
> for him, but as you are coming from N Derbys/S Yorks, the end of a warm
> front currently forecast for "up North" may prevent you from getting away.
> Still very windy both days until well in to North France.
>
> Gabriel is the air exercise taking place in France Weds. and Thurs; like
> operation Clean Hunter last June but seemingly less restrictive (i.e. we
can
> go over or under it)..
>
> There may be a window of weather opportunity early Thurs. am, but the
> current synoptic forecast shows two interpretations: one marginal
situation
> and one impossible. Otherwise crap until Saturday. Jet streams are right
> over the centre of the UK at the moment, so no short term improvement.
>
> William is going to look at a 912S Holland. If he brings it back in the
> back of the Europa (unlikely) then he would have two engines.
>
> I'd prefer to put it back or delay to a more promising week, but William
has
> other commitments; thought you retired folk were free agents?
>
>
> Rgds.,
> Duncan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > <Can't do.
> > <Would have thought difficult for Bryan too.
> > <Although VERY early Thursday looks equally as good; small ridge before
> the
> > winds really pick up in S England.
> >
> > <Would have to work around Gabriel and the jet corridor may well be
active
> > at the same times, inhibiting further progress to the South at that
time.
> >
> > <Sounds like William may be flying the first twin-engined Europa from
> > Holland onwards!
> >
> > Hi Duncan.
> > Sorry but your message is a bit too criptic for me, Are you suggesting
> that
> > the weather looks crap till Friday (too crap for me to fly in)? Or, are
> you
> > suggesting that putting things back to when the 'Weather Musings' man
> thinks
> > it will revert to normal. ie, the week-end.
> > Cheers. Bryan
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
Put Jim and Lynne Puglise in FL down on the glider pilot list. We probably
have a few more hours in airplanes but the reason we went to the Europa is
definitely the long wing and glider performance.
Jim Puglise, A283
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of percyville
Subject: Europa-List: OT: Europa glider pilots
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville"
<percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Just wondered what proportion of Europa builders/flyers are really
glider pilots at heart??
Cheers
Paul ("the bloody glider pilot!!")
Jastreb/VTC Standard Cirrus G81 - HNM
XS Monowheel kit 558
>--> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>
>Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I
had
>naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe
was
>built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax,
connect >the fuel
>and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking
feeling
>it's not that simple....
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 9/21/2004 2:59:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> - The propeller is EXTREMELY noisy at takeoff, whereas the noise level in
> flight is acceptable.
>
> I would beg to differ with you on this point. Andy stopped by our field last
> year on his way to Oshkosh. I got a ride in his 3300 powered J-400
> demonstrator. I was amazed how quiet it was both on take off and in flight. When
he
> departed our field we all commented how quiet it was and the fact that we could
> barely hear it when he crossed the fence at the south end of the runway,
> about 1800' away. I think he had an Airmaster installed at the time.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (working on door linkages)
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| Subject: | Classic stainless steel exhausts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Pete
I don't know. The retailing may be done through the new Europa company
so I think it may need discussion between CKT and Andy Draper.
My stainless exhaust cost about 500UK pounds so don't expect this one to
be much different. CKT are a good company and will ask a fair price.
They need to get an order for 10 to make it worth setting up the
tooling. I don't know what the retail mark up will be. The problem is
that even if you got one custom made it is likely to cost more. The jigs
at CKT are very precise and they need to be as some of the tolerances
are not great (hence the reason my manifold cracked in the first place).
Regards
Nigel
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Nigel How much money are we talking about?
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel
charles
Subject: Europa-List: Classic stainless steel exhausts
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
--> <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
CKT have now completed the adjustment needed to their jig to ensure that
all Classic Rotax exhausts will be manufactured to the correct
tolerances. To make it worth their while doing a production run they
need at least 10 customers. At the moment 7 of you have showed interest.
If there are any more of you out there who will be requiring one of
these please let me know and I will pass the info on. Be aware that the
original exhausts were mild steel and did not last very long. They also
weigh about 2-3lb more so if you own a Classic and do not yet have a
stainless exhaust now is the time to get one.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jabiru
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2004 2:59:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> > - The propeller is EXTREMELY noisy at takeoff, whereas the noise level
in
> > flight is acceptable.
> >
> > I would beg to differ with you on this point. Andy stopped by our field
last
> > year on his way to Oshkosh. I got a ride in his 3300 powered J-400
> > demonstrator. I was amazed how quiet it was both on take off and in
flight. When he
> > departed our field we all commented how quiet it was and the fact that
we could
> > barely hear it when he crossed the fence at the south end of the runway,
> > about 1800' away. I think he had an Airmaster installed at the time.
John,
I should have made it clear I was talking of a 2200 installed in an MCR 01.
The prop in question is an EVRA fixed pitch model.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
In einer eMail vom 20.09.2004 22:06:15 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt
ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
What 'MIGHT be' is somewhat different from 'what IS'!
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
>
> Andrew,
>
> You're not alone in your views about the 'firewall-forward' part of the
> kit-build so often conveniently overlooked by kit manufacturers! I
fairness
> I suppose, to all kit companies (except Jabiru, who I think are unique
> selling both aircraft and engines), the Firewall-Forward is 'Somebody
Else's
> Problem'. Kit manufacturers tend to concentrate on airframe support, and
why
> not? Having said that, I do applaud Europa's long-standing support for the
> Rotax setups and I'm not here to rubbish Rotax in favor of Jabiru. However
> (!), I ask potential engine customers to consider the following issues:
>
> 1. Simplicity. The Jabiru is designed as an aircraft engine, uses all
> 'aircraft' (AN/SAE) fastenings, is direct-drive and air cooled. No
gearbox,
> radiator, header tank, fluid pipework, etc.
> 2. Reliability. Jabiru engines have a 2000 hour TBO, with a 1000 hour
> recommended top-end overhaul - essentially changing the piston rings and
> re-honing the bores, and maybe re-seating the valve seats if necessary. No
> need to split the crankcase until 2000 hours.
> 3. Cost of ownership. Jabiru parts are around 1/2 the cost of equivalent
> Rotax parts, and the cost of TBO overhaul, parts and labor, is currently
> around $6500 all-in, and remember it's at 2000 hours, so the cost-per-hour
> is very competitive with those having lower published TBOs.
> 4. Flexibility in use. The engine runs equally well on AvGas or premium
> auto-gas (minimum 93 Octane), and uses regular aviation oil.
> 5. Sound. The Jabiru's maximum RPM is 3300, not over 6000.
>
> OK, that's about as close as I'll get to a hard-sell on here; I respect
that
> these lists are for inter-owner technical information and opinion and not
> necessarily for heavy marketing or 'our product is better than theirs'.
All
> I ask is that prospective customers look closely at the alternatives and
> decide based on their own preferences. I'll be happy to provide more
> information or enter discussion here if members are interested....
>
> Andy Silvester
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ACJARVIS1@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>
> Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I
had
> naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe was
> built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax, connect
> the fuel
> and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking
feeling
> it's not that simple....
>
> Reading all the technical snags people are running into makes me wonder.
I
> know for a fact that if snags are out there, I will get the lot.
>
> At least I have the luxury of time before I have to send someone another
> huge sum of money (for the engine that is- and maybe this time I'll get
the
>
> goods I paid for.) But now a new dilemma- should the money go to Austria
or
> Australia?
>
> My point is , no doubt many builders would be very interested in a nicely
> cowled Jabiru option; but would it be a better choice than the Rotax? if
so
> will it be easier to fit, more reliable, more economical, etc etc?
> Obviously
> the hiatus in Kirkbymoorside offers Jabiru an ideal chance to come up with
a
>
> brand new firewall- forward package, but ....how does one decide which
> engine to
> buy? And then what about these diesels? Heavy and smelly but so much
> simpler...so ,sell me an engine, Andy at Suncoast Sportplanes!
>
>
> Andrew Jarvis 599 [wingless wonder]
>
>
It's nice to get always facts.
We shoud/could use this forum also for other items like avionics etc.
This can help for making up your own decision easier.
Now back to the engine comparisons:
There are a lot of other engines, which do their duties in our beloved
Europa. We could build up a comparison and could add to this the best to use prop.
Now to the Jabiru:
I have heard, that the Prop rev should be as maximum not over 2.700 to 2.800
rpm. In this case the Jabiru will/can give only approx. 90 %
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith / Europa XS Monowheel kit 379
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| Subject: | Fwd: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fellow Europaphiles,
I received the attached quote from Aircraft Spruce. The $41.10 each
for 25 minimum order.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: amystinchcomb@aircraftspruce.com (Amy Stinchcomb)
> Date: September 21, 2004 12:30:03 PM CDT
> To: rlborger@mac.com
> Subject: Aircraft Spruce Quote
>
>
> AIRCRAFT SPRUCE AND SPECIALTY
> 225 AIRPORT CIRCLE - PO BOX 4000
> CORONA, CA 92880
> 951-372-9555 *** 951-372-0555 FAX
>
>
> Thank you for your recent inquiry for quotes. Please be advised that
> these
> prices are quotes only, and are subject to change. Shipping charges
> and
> any applicable state taxes will be added at time of shipping. Please
> refer
> to quote# 216009 when placing the order. This quote is good for 30
> days.
>
> SPECIAL ORDER QUICK RELEASE PIN
> SIZE 1/2" DIAMETER, 3-3/4 GRIP
> PART #QRP2C083.75 QTY. 25
> $41.10 EACH 8 WEEKS LEAD TIEM
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORDER
>
> Total Quote: $N/A
>
> We accept MasterCard and Visa or a bank transfer to:
> Union Bank of California/Sunny Hills
> 1080 E. Bastanchury Rd.
> Fullerton, CA 92835
> Acct# 0650022394 / ABA (Route) 122000496
> International Swift Code: BOFCUS33MPK
> Payable to: Irwin International dba Aircraft Spruce
> Please add $20 for bank transfer fees
>
> Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Amy Stinchcomb
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> AIRCRAFT SPRUCE & SPECIALTY CO
> 225 Airport Circle
> Corona, CA 92878 USA
> Tel: 951-372-9555
> Fax: 951-372-0555
> Toll Free: 877-4SPRUCE (477-7823)
> Email: amystinchcomb@aircraftspruce.com
> WWW: http://www.aircraftspruce.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
McMaster-Carr has two pins which seem suitable.
The basic, T-Handle pin is $29.30 each
The heavy-duty, T-Handle pin is $57.08 each.
I received one each of these pins from McMaster-Carr today. I will
post pics and a description of the McMaster-Carr pins on the Europa
Forum site this evening.
I also received the smaller 1/4" pins I ordered from McMaster-Carr. I
think they are unsuitable for flight use, but could be used during
alignment assembly and ground assembly. But I'd attach a big red
ribbon to them to ensure that no flight was made with them in place
instead of the proper pins.
Three e-mails to Europa (2004). No replies yet.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Fwd: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Count me in I'll have a couple if you order them.
Alan Burrows
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fellow Europaphiles,
I received the attached quote from Aircraft Spruce. The $41.10 each
for 25 minimum order.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: amystinchcomb@aircraftspruce.com (Amy Stinchcomb)
> Date: September 21, 2004 12:30:03 PM CDT
> To: rlborger@mac.com
> Subject: Aircraft Spruce Quote
>
>
> AIRCRAFT SPRUCE AND SPECIALTY
> 225 AIRPORT CIRCLE - PO BOX 4000
> CORONA, CA 92880
> 951-372-9555 *** 951-372-0555 FAX
>
>
> Thank you for your recent inquiry for quotes. Please be advised that
> these
> prices are quotes only, and are subject to change. Shipping charges
> and
> any applicable state taxes will be added at time of shipping. Please
> refer
> to quote# 216009 when placing the order. This quote is good for 30
> days.
>
> SPECIAL ORDER QUICK RELEASE PIN
> SIZE 1/2" DIAMETER, 3-3/4 GRIP
> PART #QRP2C083.75 QTY. 25
> $41.10 EACH 8 WEEKS LEAD TIEM
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORDER
>
> Total Quote: $N/A
>
> We accept MasterCard and Visa or a bank transfer to:
> Union Bank of California/Sunny Hills
> 1080 E. Bastanchury Rd.
> Fullerton, CA 92835
> Acct# 0650022394 / ABA (Route) 122000496
> International Swift Code: BOFCUS33MPK
> Payable to: Irwin International dba Aircraft Spruce
> Please add $20 for bank transfer fees
>
> Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Amy Stinchcomb
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> AIRCRAFT SPRUCE & SPECIALTY CO
> 225 Airport Circle
> Corona, CA 92878 USA
> Tel: 951-372-9555
> Fax: 951-372-0555
> Toll Free: 877-4SPRUCE (477-7823)
> Email: amystinchcomb@aircraftspruce.com
> WWW: http://www.aircraftspruce.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
McMaster-Carr has two pins which seem suitable.
The basic, T-Handle pin is $29.30 each
The heavy-duty, T-Handle pin is $57.08 each.
I received one each of these pins from McMaster-Carr today. I will
post pics and a description of the McMaster-Carr pins on the Europa
Forum site this evening.
I also received the smaller 1/4" pins I ordered from McMaster-Carr. I
think they are unsuitable for flight use, but could be used during
alignment assembly and ground assembly. But I'd attach a big red
ribbon to them to ensure that no flight was made with them in place
instead of the proper pins.
Three e-mails to Europa (2004). No replies yet.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Bob,
Thanks for your efforts on all our behalfs.
Seems I recall some postings related to using two pip pins rather than the
one supplied + the "bolt with a handle".
Is there some consensus or factory-blessing on this?
Fred A194
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Aircraft Spruce Quote for the BIG pip pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Put me down for a couple please if you order them,
Trev Pond
Kit 598
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| Subject: | Re: Aircooled vs. liquid cooled |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I think that may have been 60 years ago.
Things have moved on a bit!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: Aircooled vs. liquid cooled
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Graham:
> "An aircooled engine will never be as good as a liquid cooled one, (other
> things being equal)..........."
> I dunno. I heard US Navy guys from the Pacific say, "you can fly a
> radial twice as far as you can ship an inline...........""
> Cheers, Ferg
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fred and others,
On Sep 21, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Fred R. Klein wrote:
> Thanks for your efforts on all our behalfs.
You are quite welcome.
> Seems I recall some postings related to using two pip pins rather than
> the
> one supplied + the "bolt with a handle".
The starboard side aileron quick connect (CS15S and W16S) will have to
be relieved to allow for the extra length of the pip pins versus the
1/2" bar w/ handle. Look at the port side aileron quick connects
(CS15P and W16P) and you can see the area relieved. The same thing
would have to be done on the starboard side.
> Is there some consensus or factory-blessing on this?
Good question. Especially as I now have two functional wing spar pip
pins to use if it is OK.
> Fred A194
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fly-In Airborne 2004 at Stadtlohn-Vreden / Germany |
24.-26.09.04
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
until Fri or Sat, Gerry Holland and I are hoping to make the
Stadtlohn-Vreden fly-in, either going out midday Fri or early Sat.,
returning Sun. If you've deleted the original posting, its attached.
On 13 Sep 2004, at 10:21, Jeremy Davey wrote:
>
> _____
>
> From: UVTReith@aol.com [mailto:UVTReith@aol.com]
> To: webmaster@europaclub.org.uk
> Subject: Fly-In Airborne 2004 at Stadtlohn-Vreden / Germany
> 24.-26.09.04
>
>
> Dear Europa Pilots,
>
>
> Every two years will be the exhibition Airborne at Stadtlohn-Vreden,
> former
> known as Take-Off.
>
>
> Two years ago we have had an exhibition stand there and the two company
> demonstrators
>
> (with G-KITZ/Keith Wilson and G-GBXS/Mark Waite).
>
>
> The KITZ was beside our exhibition stand and the GBXS was in the
> flight-line
> for demoflies.
>
> It was a great exhibition.
>
>
> This time, due to the special situation, we will go again, but
> together with
> the OUV (under the umbrella of OUV), but still we will have info packs
> with
> us.
>
>
> It would be great, when so many pilots as possible could make it for a
> fly-in.
>
> Stadtlohn-Vreden is only just behind the dutch border and easy to
> reach.
>
> It's only worth to come, as also a lot of other exhibitors will be
> there and
> airshows / demoflies are going on the hole days.
>
> More info you can get from: www.flugplatz-stadtlohn.de
>
>
> Would like to welcome you,
>
> I remain with best regards
>
>
> Bruno Reith / kit 379 Monowheel XS with Brabus engine, ready
> springtime 05
>
> Europa Aircraft Distributor Germany (www.europa-aircraft.de)
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Does anyone have a working e-mail address for the factory?
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Europa company website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Anyone else noticed the website has become unavailable?
ISP glitch or has it been taken down specifically?
Don't tell me the bill hasn't been paid....
Later
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RK Hallett III <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Paul,
Well you can count me as a "glider pilot", both hang gliders and
sailplanes. The quiet side of flying ;)
Ralph
Motorglider xs
Reno, NV
percyville wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
>
>Just wondered what proportion of Europa builders/flyers are really
>glider pilots at heart??
>
>Cheers
>
>Paul ("the bloody glider pilot!!")
>
>Jastreb/VTC Standard Cirrus G81 - HNM
>XS Monowheel kit 558
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>>
>>Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I
>>
>>
>had
>
>
>>naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe
>>
>>
>was
>
>
>>built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax,
>>
>>
>connect >the fuel
>
>
>>and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking
>>
>>
>feeling
>
>
>>it's not that simple....
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa company website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
I couldn't get the main site to come up, but the following one did.
http://www.europa-aviation.co.uk/testyuro.htm
John, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa company website
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville"
<percyville@percyville.plus.com>
>
> Anyone else noticed the website has become unavailable?
>
> ISP glitch or has it been taken down specifically?
>
> Don't tell me the bill hasn't been paid....
>
> Later
>
> Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Bob B ,Fred and others,
Yes, you are quite right I did advise Fred of circuit and forgot to mention
these closer details. I recall now discovering the necessity to relieve the
quick-connects, no problems ever encountered with mine in 600 hours.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlborger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: pip pins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Fred and others,
>
> On Sep 21, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Fred R. Klein wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your efforts on all our behalfs.
>
> You are quite welcome.
>
> > Seems I recall some postings related to using two pip pins rather than
> > the
> > one supplied + the "bolt with a handle".
>
> The starboard side aileron quick connect (CS15S and W16S) will have to
> be relieved to allow for the extra length of the pip pins versus the
> 1/2" bar w/ handle. Look at the port side aileron quick connects
> (CS15P and W16P) and you can see the area relieved. The same thing
> would have to be done on the starboard side.
>
> > Is there some consensus or factory-blessing on this?
>
> Good question. Especially as I now have two functional wing spar pip
> pins to use if it is OK.
>
> > Fred A194
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
> (75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
> in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
> Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
> Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: E-mail address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Al:
I was receiving email from Andy just last week at the address of
andy@europa-aircraft.com.
Unfortunately I attempted to contact him about purchasing modification parts
and the address bounced this week.
I wrote to Rowland at the Europa Club requesting that they investigate if
there are new email addresses for the factory or perhaps just delivery issues.
Who knows...?
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Last of the Summer Wine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Sorry to use the Europa list guys, but I do not know who is doing what yet.
It seems that Duncan, Richard, and I will be setting out on Friday, weather permitting.
Meanwhile Paddy advises me that he and others are bound for the rally at Stadlohn-Vreden
in Germany on Friday. He invites us to join them.
It does not seem like a bad idea. I can get William to join us there.
Clearly Richard Iddon and I would need to refuel and flight plan at Lashenden,
which could make a meet point.This could be a better three day trip than Le Man,
Which I am told does not have much going for it. To St-Vreden is a three and
a half hour trip from Bath without the tail wind.
I have no charts for Germany, so I would have to ask someone to photocopy the relevant
sections for me. The airfield plates are on the web site listed on Paddy's
mail.
My mobile is 07957818787 Cheers Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Oregon Aero Seating |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
Joe Proctor wrote:
>
>Hi Jeff,
>As soon as I get the module back I'll take some pictures for you and post
>them for all to see.
>I'm closing in on my private ticket now so I should be able to start on my
>plane soon, very time consuming but I'm not complaining, I love it.
>Joe Proctor A-272
>pjoe2@qwest.net 503-654-5805
>
>
>
Joe,
Thanks. I look forward to seeing your seats. I just finished my
private in April. Started my build in March, so things fell together
pretty smoothly. Best of luck with your flying and building...
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
Brian
I also have had the e-mail bounce from that address. Maybe they'll get it up soon.
I sent e-mail early last week that went through but recieved no answer.
Al Stills
A095
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
List members,
EAA Chapter 244 is holding a fly-in at False River Regional airport
(HZR), this Saturday and Sunday. The airport is located in New Roads,
LA, near Baton Rouge. We have a 5000' x 75' asphalt runway in very good
condition. There will be lots of food and fun. Camping on the site.
If interested, drop me a line. Hope to see some of you there...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Main Spar Pip Pins |
europa-list@matronics.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Gents,
McMaster-Carr appears to have suitable replacements for the L-Handle
Main Spar Pip Pin. I have posted a picture with description, part
numbers and prices on the Europa Forum, under the Builders Photo
Gallery.
You can search McMaster-Carr web site ( http://www.mcmaster.com ) with
key words "push-button quick-release pin" or with the part number.
I recommend purchasing the pins from McMaster-Carr rather than making a
large special purchase from ACS. The standard L-Handle and standard
T-Handle pins are less expensive through McMaster-Carr. Personally, I
like the Heavy-Duty T-Handle version even though it is more expensive.
I hope this helps.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: E-mail address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
I think the WEB site was a US domain. With no one in the US to pay the
bills I suspect that it has been shut down, along with the associated email
addresses.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | conventional gear w/glider wings? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Fellow builders,
I have a wonderment that I need cleared up. Is the adaptation of conventional gear
ok to use with the glider wings? Has anyone done this or is anyone thinking
about it and how much of a change is it.
Your thoughts on this Please Gents.
Joe Proctor A-272
pjoe2@qwest.net
Milwaukie, Oregon
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| Subject: | conventional gear w/glider wings? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Joe,
I'd say that should be fine. There are already monowheel and trigear
versions either flying or under construction.
The conventional arrangement has the same wing fittings as the trigear
arrangement - so I see no problem whatsoever. I just dont know of anyone
building this combination at present.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Proctor
Subject: Europa-List: conventional gear w/glider wings?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Fellow builders,
I have a wonderment that I need cleared up. Is the adaptation of
conventional gear ok to use with the glider wings? Has anyone done this or
is anyone thinking about it and how much of a change is it.
Your thoughts on this Please Gents.
Joe Proctor A-272
pjoe2@qwest.net
Milwaukie, Oregon
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| Subject: | conventional gear w/glider wings? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Dwight Dow is flying his motorglider with a conventional gear arrangement.
Bob Berube
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Proctor
Subject: Europa-List: conventional gear w/glider wings?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Fellow builders,
I have a wonderment that I need cleared up. Is the adaptation of
conventional gear ok to use with the glider wings? Has anyone done this or
is anyone thinking about it and how much of a change is it.
Your thoughts on this Please Gents.
Joe Proctor A-272
pjoe2@qwest.net
Milwaukie, Oregon
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| Subject: | Current Europa 2004 Contact info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Legge dlegge" <dlegge@socal.rr.com>
Does anybody have current contact info for the new Europa?
The Web site is gone and E-mail to europa-aircraft.com bounces.
Thanks
David Legge
A287
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| Subject: | Re: E-mail address |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
That is correct as I was the creator of some of the artwork in several
of the pages. John Hurst was responsible for the web site here in the
states and did a good job to keep it going. I hope to see a new one
from the new company take shape soon. If the company is truly wanting
the most for it's builders and and to stimulate future orders this
should be one of the first orders of business. Of course as soon as the
miss deeds of the past are cleared up.
Jeff
A258
Still sanding and priming.
On Sep 21, 2004, at 7:39 PM, Paul McAllister wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> I think the WEB site was a US domain. With no one in the US to pay the
> bills I suspect that it has been shut down, along with the associated
> email
> addresses.
>
> Paul
>
> do not archive
>
>
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