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1. 12:09 AM - Contact address for Dan Gelderman please. (R.C.Harrison)
2. 12:42 AM - Re: Europa Partition and my Conscience. (Brian Davies)
3. 02:48 AM - Europa glider pilots (Graham Singleton)
4. 07:47 AM - jpg twaddle (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Europa glider pilots (Augustene Brown)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: jpg twaddle (Jos Okhuijsen)
7. 09:46 AM - Firewall Forward-less (Fred R. Klein)
8. 10:37 AM - Beginning to sand --- (Fergus Kyle)
9. 11:24 AM - Re: Firewall Forward-less (Jac van Heeswijk)
10. 12:22 PM - Re: Beginning to sand --- ()
11. 12:53 PM - Cockpit Module Bond in "CHEAT" (Ronald J. Parigoris)
12. 01:01 PM - Re: Beginning to sand --- (R.C.Harrison)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: Beginning to sand --- (Steve Hagar)
14. 04:27 PM - Re: Beginning to sand --- (Paul McAllister)
15. 10:17 PM - Re: jpg twaddle (Chris Cameron)
16. 11:36 PM - Help! Replacement fuel cap (Tim Butterworth)
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| Subject: | Contact address for Dan Gelderman please. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! All Europaphiles=85=85
Does anyone know of Dan Geldermann's e-mail address ? I hae tried to
contact him and the address I have on file is now invalid.
Thanks in anticipation
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Partition and my Conscience. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
I fully understand the emotion expressed in your e mail, Nev (I have been
there myself). I also understand where Tony is coming from, even though it
may be a misguided view, and I respect his right to express it.
I think the time has come to give this subject a rest for a few weeks to see
what Europa 2004 intend to do. We can then develop the many good ideas that
have been expressed over the last few days against something real, rather
than theory.
We cannot afford to fall out with each other over this.
Brian Davies kit 454
Fuselage just been painted.
----- Original Message -----
From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Partition and my Conscience.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Tony, are you a complete Tw@ ? [ I recon you must be]
> Disregarding the legal side of things [ new Company not responsable for
the
> old ones debts,] can you not understand that the three key Directors of
Europa
> 2004 [ Jim Tucker, Roger Bull and John Wheeler] have put their own money
in
> to save the Europa from just being nothing but a dream ?
> I am sure they won't mind me saying, that they are all at / close to the
age
> that most of us would be looking at retiring, Roger and John [ former
> employees] could have just walked away from the mess left by Wilson, and I
know for a
> fact, Jim was only going to get involved, if Europa looked like rolling
over
> and dieing.
> Also, how dare you tar the Europa 2004 team with the same brush as used by
> EMIL.
> The three afore mentioned, and Andy Draper [ who has just become a dad
again
> [ it's a boy]] can be trusted without question, when we realised what was
> happening at EMIL, [ only a few days before the end] John, Andy and
myself
> managed to diplomatically prevent some of you not to send money. Most of
the goods
> despatched in the last few days were down to John putting them in the post
[
> Ray couldn't be bothered].
> Keith Wilson has gone, his sidekick, Ray [ weasel] Bedford [ who was in
> daily contact with Wilson right up to the end] was not asked to stay, the
rest of
> the ''deadwood'' was also cut out at the same time. These two are the ones
who
> should be hung, drawn and quartered.
> I have not had the chance to talk to the team recently [ they are too busy
> sorting out the mess] I have no idea what their plans are with regard to
those
> out there who were shafted by Wilson, I am certain they will do whatever
they
> can, but obviously, they cannot send everyone a kit at their expense.
> After your comments Tony, if I were running Europa 2004, I would rip up
your
> file [ if indeed it still exists, after the reciever has been in] and tell
you
> to Foxtrot Oscar. Perhaps you should do the honourable thing and sell your
> Europa and go build something else ? [ or if your conscience is troubling
you,
> give your Europa to someone who lost out ?]
> Putting this sort of pressure on the team, is a sure fire way to screw
things
> up. I feel for those of you out there who have lost large amounts of
money. I
> have ten years of my life invested in Europa, I hope to be involved with
both
> ' 2004 and the builders alike, for years to come. [ I have set up on my
own,
> but that is a different story]
> Get real, or get lost !
> Nev,
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
> I've been enamored of Andy for many years - just please don't let Jim
>and Gerry know - it's my secret ;-)
>
>You may not have a beach to come to next week - it looks as though
>Hurricane Jeanne will be coming ashore on Saturday or Sunday somewhere
>on our east coast, probably around West Palm, and travel north through
>central FL. If that prediction holds it will take her directly over us,
>and that means at least we will need to board up and possibly evacuate.
Augustene
best of luck with Jeanne, let's hope she's not as vicious as Ivan was.
Wish i had some glider wings, only flew it once for an hour, gorgeous, just
like your smile
Graham
BTW who'se Gerry, not our English Hollander?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Not to label Sandford, whose aims are I'm sure genuine, but I am
informed by (remember when all elite families had Family Taxidermists?) our
Family Computor Consultant, that reference to dangers of hidden jpegs may
contain dangerous programs - is twaddle.
"Not possible" says Dr. Ted Thorpe retired dean, Computor
Science, Mohawk College.
The reference was to:
http://asia.cnet.com/news/security/0,39037064,39193726,00.htm
FergA064
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| Subject: | Re: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
Gerry is Andy's beautiful wife, the mother of Abbie and I don't know the
name of the new baby boy-I'll just call him Andy Jr. ( AJ) for the time
being :)
I recall your description of flying the glider for the first time - Bob
& Michelle were still with Europa - those were happy days..
(thanks for the compliment)
We are boarding up this morning and expect a couple of friends to ride
out Jeanne with us - say an extra prayer for all of us...
Augustene
Graham Singleton wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
>At 23:56 23/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
>> I've been enamored of Andy for many years - just please don't let Jim
>>and Gerry know - it's my secret ;-)
>>
>>You may not have a beach to come to next week - it looks as though
>>Hurricane Jeanne will be coming ashore on Saturday or Sunday somewhere
>>on our east coast, probably around West Palm, and travel north through
>>central FL. If that prediction holds it will take her directly over us,
>>and that means at least we will need to board up and possibly evacuate.
>>
>>
>
>Augustene
>best of luck with Jeanne, let's hope she's not as vicious as Ivan was.
>Wish i had some glider wings, only flew it once for an hour, gorgeous, just
>like your smile
>Graham
>BTW who'se Gerry, not our English Hollander?
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
My 2 cents added: Please folks, as a rule leave the worm-virus-trojans
alarms to the mailings lists intended for them. Keep your software, your
virus- trojan- backdoor and advertising scanners and firewalls updated.
That's it believe me.
The rest just causes unneeded noise. Like this message :-)
Do not archive
Jos Okhuijsen, kit #600 waiting for parts mainly.
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
All,
I would like to compile a list of those builders who lack the Europa
firewall forward kit. Accordingly, if you would like to appear on such a
list, kindly email me (off-list) your:
- Name:
- Kit number noting mono, tri-gear, or conventional:
- Building status:
- Address:
I will post the list on this forum in say two weeks.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Beginning to sand --- |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I am at the point of beginning the fill/sand routine and must first
bed the windscreen into the fuse. Naturally I want to protect the plastic
from the 'hangar rash' which nearly always ensues. In the past I saw several
such arrangements which covered the screen (and windows I guess) with a
compound which protected the 'glass' during building. Think I can find 'em?
At present I have used electrical tape to cover it with bubble-wrap
plastic but presume this is not ideal when more vigorous activity looms.
Your advice sought as to the best method/materiel to
use.....................please.
Ferg
Europa A064
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
- Name: Jack van Heeswijk
- Kit number noting mono, tri-gear, or conventional: 394 Trigear
- Building status: Almost ready except engine and
upholstery
- Address: jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl (the
Netherlands)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> All,
>
> I would like to compile a list of those builders who lack the Europa
> firewall forward kit. Accordingly, if you would like to appear on such a
> list, kindly email me (off-list) your:
>
> - Name:
> - Kit number noting mono, tri-gear, or conventional:
> - Building status:
> - Address:
>
> I will post the list on this forum in say two weeks.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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| Subject: | Beginning to sand --- |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Ferg
The stuff is SprayLat and is available from ACS. It seems to imply that
it needs to be sprayed on but I just brushed it and it works fine. It
is a chore to get off!
I can send you enough of my left overs that will be enough.
Tom Friedland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: Beginning to sand ---
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I am at the point of beginning the fill/sand routine and must
first
bed the windscreen into the fuse. Naturally I want to protect the
plastic
from the 'hangar rash' which nearly always ensues. In the past I saw
several
such arrangements which covered the screen (and windows I guess) with a
compound which protected the 'glass' during building. Think I can find
'em?
At present I have used electrical tape to cover it with
bubble-wrap
plastic but presume this is not ideal when more vigorous activity looms.
Your advice sought as to the best method/materiel to
use.....................please.
Ferg
Europa A064
==
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==
==
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| Subject: | Cockpit Module Bond in "CHEAT" |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Looks like Sunday is final CPM Bond in day.
We did a big cheat.
Where the front of the CPM butts against the Firewall, the left top hit, but
there was a pretty good size gap below it and a good gap on the right side. We
cut a 1 inch piece of foam and put packaging tape over the edges and used it
as a plug. we left ti sticking out a bit, and jammed the CPM in place, now we
have a form fitting plug, and filled the front gap. Worked perfect except some
gaps.
After cure we filled the gap on the sides of the fuse by the tank and a large
gap on the lower right and left. Also gave the Firewall a fill on all voids.
The neat thing bout this is you can remove excess redux where you can't get to
upon final bond. On Sunday add anywhere it needs to get near perfect coverage.
Lookin like will only need for final bond, perhaps a dozen pop rivets for
strong hold in place, and perhaps a dozen more for thin fiberglass bend and
hold instead of using a lot of fill. Will not need much redux as the fit will
be mostly in contact. When pop riveting, there is almost no distortion on
fuse, and very little load on CPM.
Ron Parigoris
A-265 Monowheel XS
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| Subject: | Beginning to sand --- |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Ferg.
There's no way I'd put anything on my "glass" other than some soft
felt/velvet taped on with vinyl tape then covered over with some
cardboard also with vinyl tape.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Europa-List: Beginning to sand ---
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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| Subject: | Beginning to sand --- |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Ferg:
I used some material call Sign Stripe by the Spraylat people. Spraylat
is the material they put on airplanes in the military boneyard down here.
I put 4 coats at 90 degrees to each other on each surface. This material
came recommended to me by the guys over at Phoenix Composits. As for
bonding in your windscreen I should think that would be the last thing you
want to do. It is much easier to get behind your panel for troubleshooting
with the window out. I have my side windows in but I am leaving the
windscreen out until the engine has been checked out and all the electrics
wrung out.
Steve
A143 N40SH
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: EUROPALIST <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/25/2004 10:37:12 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Beginning to sand ---
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> I am at the point of beginning the fill/sand routine and must
first
> bed the windscreen into the fuse. Naturally I want to protect the plastic
> from the 'hangar rash' which nearly always ensues. In the past I saw
several
> such arrangements which covered the screen (and windows I guess) with a
> compound which protected the 'glass' during building. Think I can find
'em?
> At present I have used electrical tape to cover it with
bubble-wrap
> plastic but presume this is not ideal when more vigorous activity looms.
> Your advice sought as to the best method/materiel to
> use.....................please.
> Ferg
> Europa A064
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beginning to sand --- |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ferg,
I had good experience with brushing on 2 coats of Spraylat 90 degress to
each other. The only other advice I would offer is to remove it every 6
months and reapply If left on longer it is really difficult to get off,
trust me I know. Don't just put another coat over the top of the old stuff
either, that doesn't work either.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Cameron <chris.cam@paradise.net.nz>
That's why after reading the first e-mail regarding the 'not possible'
threat, I did a Windows XP update and found a security alert at
Microsoft regarding fixes to a dynamic library that would allow hackers
to access the system via a jpeg! Keeping your Windows (and Office)
software updated will solve this problem!
Chris Cameron
Back to lurk mode!
Do Not Archive
Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
>My 2 cents added: Please folks, as a rule leave the worm-virus-trojans
>alarms to the mailings lists intended for them. Keep your software, your
>virus- trojan- backdoor and advertising scanners and firewalls updated.
>That's it believe me.
>The rest just causes unneeded noise. Like this message :-)
>Do not archive
>
>Jos Okhuijsen, kit #600 waiting for parts mainly.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Help! Replacement fuel cap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
Hi,
Don't ask how(!?) I have lost my fuel cap from my Europa when filling yesterday.
Despite 6 fire service chaps trying to help search for it for over an hour,
we couldn't find it anywhere. So .... can anyone help in supplying a replacement
'non-lockable' type fuel cap?
a) Andy/Neville, do you have any at the factory? (is there one on G-YURO if you
don't have any stock?)
b) Does anyone have one used/going spare?
c) In the short term, does anyone have a kit someway off completion that I can
beg/borrow/steal until a replacement can be sought?
d) Can we locate the manufacturer and part number for me to get one from the supplier
direct?
Any help much appreciated!
Tim
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