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1. 01:06 AM - Re: Re: Help! Replacement fuel cap (Tim Butterworth)
2. 01:08 AM - Re: Help! Replacement fuel cap (Tim Butterworth)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Firewall Forward-less (JR (Bob) Gowing)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: ARALDITE 420 exp date (JR (Bob) Gowing)
5. 05:47 AM - skinned tail-kit for sale (Europa)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: Firewall Forward-less (Vaughn Teegarden)
7. 07:28 AM - Water (Dave Anderson)
8. 11:18 AM - Firewall Forward-less (Fred R. Klein)
9. 02:37 PM - Re: Water (Bill & Sue Sisley)
10. 04:07 PM - Re: Water ()
11. 04:41 PM - Rudder Horn Misalignment (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
12. 05:02 PM - Spraylat (Graham Singleton)
13. 05:02 PM - Help! Replacement fuel cap (Graham Singleton)
14. 05:06 PM - tailkit and consumables for sale (Europa)
15. 07:42 PM - Re: Spraylat (Paul McAllister)
16. 08:27 PM - Re: Rudder Horn Misalignment (Rocketman)
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| Subject: | Re: Help! Replacement fuel cap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
Thanks very much. I am at least glad there are some suppliers around ... would
be a silly reason to ground the plane!
I have a couple of names of suppliers and some offers of beg/borrow/steal as well
from the bulletin board.
Thanks for your reply.
Tim
________________________________
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Help! Replacement fuel cap
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Tim,
Not a quick fix, but replacement caps are available from Aircraft
Spruce and Wicks. Unfortunately, they seem to be sold only as a set,
cap + flange. See page 165 in the new ACS catalog or search either of
their websites ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com
http://www.wicksaircraft.com ) for "fuel caps".
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Help! Replacement fuel cap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" <Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
Thanks Peter. I am at least glad there are some suppliers around ... would be a
silly reason to ground the plane!
I have a couple of names of suppliers and some offers of beg/borrow/steal as well
from the bulletin board.
Thanks for your reply.
Tim
________________________________
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Pete Lawless
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Help! Replacement fuel cap
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Tim
You can buy these from the motor racing / rally suppliers. Try Demon
Tweeks in Wrexham.
www.demon-tweeks.co.uk 01978 664466
Have you looked on the runway? That is where we found mine! I had left
it on the top held by the vents.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Butterworth
Subject: Europa-List: Help! Replacement fuel cap
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth"
--> <Tim.Butterworth@CVLUK.COM>
Hi,
Don't ask how(!?) I have lost my fuel cap from my Europa when filling
yesterday. Despite 6 fire service chaps trying to help search for it for
over an hour, we couldn't find it anywhere. So .... can anyone help in
supplying a replacement 'non-lockable' type fuel cap?
a) Andy/Neville, do you have any at the factory? (is there one on G-YURO
if you don't have any stock?)
b) Does anyone have one used/going spare?
c) In the short term, does anyone have a kit someway off completion that
I can beg/borrow/steal until a replacement can be sought?
d) Can we locate the manufacturer and part number for me to get one from
the supplier direct?
Any help much appreciated!
Tim
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Fred
They are the bits I lack in planning for 912 S.
Here in Australia we have a complet kit for Jabiru 6 cyl and covers you
could chase up through Jabiru.
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 flaps working
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> All,
>
> I would like to compile a list of those builders who lack the Europa
> firewall forward kit. Accordingly, if you would like to appear on such a
> list, kindly email me (off-list) your:
>
> - Name:
> - Kit number noting mono, tri-gear, or conventional:
> - Building status:
> - Address:
>
> I will post the list on this forum in say two weeks.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ARALDITE 420 exp date |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Fellows
You must have missed the email of P.A Austin 24/9/04 as follows:
]
"Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xtra.co.nz>
Spoke at some length a while back to one of the head chemists in a major
company in this country that produces a broad range of Epoxy's etc and asked
him specifically about the expiry dates and there meaning, he replied that
as they are basically two inert substances until mixed and if stored
correctly in their containers there is not a problem as the exp date is for
company records and is deleted from their records at the said date."Meaning"
should you have a batch that is faulty or fails on you prior to the exp date
they will respond.
Maybe we should be asking ourselves is there an exp date on fibre glass, no
matter how lovingly cared for, does it have a "Life"?
Peter
Classic #198
There are unopened containers
> of 420A and hardener with an expiration date of 05-04-03.
remainder snipped.
J R (Bob) Gowing,UK Kit 327 in Oz (flaps working)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ARALDITE 420 exp date
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden"
<VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
>
> Thanks for all the replys and information. I do know that the person that
I
> bought it from kept it in a chest with a light bulb hooked up to a
> thermostat, as I intend to do. (happen to have an unused thermostat laying
> around) It looks good, so I will try a test piece to determine if I need
to
> throw it out.
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> Getting closer to rolling up the sleeves
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: ARALDITE 420 exp date
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden"
> <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
> >
> > I have recently purchased a partially completed kit and will soon be
> looking forward to bonding the top on the wings and canoe. There are
> unopened containers of 420A and hardener with an expiration date of
> 05-04-03. This stuff is from the right side of the pond and I am unsure
how
> they arrange their numerals. Are they the same as here in the USA?
> >
> > Vaughn Teegarden
> > Still figuring out exactly where I am
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | skinned tail-kit for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
Hi folks,
I've had a bid for the consumables (2x redux, 4x ampreg, ~25m bid cloth)
of 255 - representing half price - which I will accept if I get no
improved offer by Monday 4th October. I won't post any more updates
about the consumables on this forum; I'll only email bidders directly.
cheers
Andy
> as one of the many who had money deposited with EMIL I've had a few
> months to decide what to do with my part completed kit; wait for Europa
> to rise from the ashes or sell up and move on. Not an easy choice but
> I've made it, so I have some things to sell:
>
> 1. Tail kit. All skins done, rudder hinges and nutplate installed.
> Tailplanes incidence set and ready for pip-pin drilling out. Trim tabs
> installed. This equates to more than a pre-skinned tail kit.
> 2. 2 packs of araldite 420 expiry july 2005
> 3. 4 packs of ampreg 20 expiry sept 2005
> 4. quantity of bid on the roll
>
> I have digital photos of the work as it progressed, and I can take
> detailed photos/measurements for anyone who is interested.
>
> So, if you're interested please email me : mailto:europa@brownfamily.org.uk
>
> Andy Brown
> Nairn, Highlands, Scotland
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
Fred
I will be needing a firewall forward kit in a month or two. I e'mailed John
Wheeler and he felt that they would be shipping FFK's with-in a month or
two. He also stated thet it was Europa 2004's intention to take care of the
U.S. market. I am taking their word on that.
Vaughn Teegarden
Axxx Mono
close to putting on the top and closing the wings
16326 Bethlehem Road
Bristol, VA 24202
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> All,
>
> I would like to compile a list of those builders who lack the Europa
> firewall forward kit. Accordingly, if you would like to appear on such a
> list, kindly email me (off-list) your:
>
> - Name:
> - Kit number noting mono, tri-gear, or conventional:
> - Building status:
> - Address:
>
> I will post the list on this forum in say two weeks.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Now that I have solved my 914 engine running problem after many hours of checking
things over - the engine is now the most checked out engine there is, I would
think. Everything checked out fine, except it still wasn't running right -
plus it has never had a satisfying run-up since new. Finally, I tried to adjust
the carbs one notch lean, resulting in worse running. Logic seemed to indicate
trying to go richer and, what do you know, now it finally runs smoothly. It
was just too lean, it seems.
Because I never like going very long without things to fret about, I am noticing
for the first time in over 200 hours of operation that I am having to add tiny
amounts of water - coolant - to keep it topped off. That might be 1/4 cup every
3 hours or so - approximately. The first 200 hours, there wasn't a drop added.
So here comes my question - what have other 914 engine operators found regarding
coolant? I have absolutely no evidence of external leakage, although
I will be doing a very comprehensive check of this in the next few days. Anybody
ever had this before - any body know of ways the engine can use water without
leaking externally? Is there a head gasket of sorts?
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
245TT
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
All,
In response to my 9/25 posting, to date I have received data from 25
builders lacking the FWF kit. I also received a query as to the purpose of
creating such a list. Perhaps I should have posted a more comprehensive
message.
I am one of many of us without the FWF kit; my interest in creating a list
of those in similar straits are several:
First, it occurred to me that I have no idea how many share my dilemma; even
w/ the glider wings, my hunch is the motor-less Europa would be less than an
optimal sailplane.
Second, my sense is that it might be useful to know who these folks are in
order to share information on how we are dealing with the problem; thus the
first purpose I intend w/ such a list would be to post it on the forum.
Third, the new Europa company may well have no records at all in this
regard, and if the information became available, it might be instrumental in
making the availability of FFWD kits a higher priority than, say, the
marketing of new airframe kits. Alternatively...if the resources and
attention of the new company are stretched to the max doing the necessary
work to re-establish its airframe supplier chain and to begin a new
marketing program...knowing how many active builders are looking for the FWF
package, the company might explore creative alliances with others to meet
this need.
And fourth, with the information available, other companies might be better
able to gauge the opportunity to propose "after market" FWF packages.
If you would like your name to appear on this list, send me your name,
kit #, LG type, status of build, and address. I'll post the list on Oct. 1.
Fred
A194
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on dbmail-mx8.orcon.net.nz
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
Dave,
Mine is now at 210hrs and runs really well. Have never had to make any
adjustment other than balance carbs. It do not use any oil or coolant.
I did have a coolant leak at the rear of the engine early on that caused a
slight loss of coolant. I only noticed it due to a few small drops on the
hanger floor, there was no other sign at all that I could see when first
inspecting all the plumbing etc. It was one of the pipe clamps that needed
retorquing.
ZK CHV
XS Mono
914-Airmaster
210hrs
Sue and Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Water
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Now that I have solved my 914 engine running problem after many hours of
checking things over - the engine is now the most checked out engine there
is, I would think. Everything checked out fine, except it still wasn't
running right - plus it has never had a satisfying run-up since new.
Finally, I tried to adjust the carbs one notch lean, resulting in worse
running. Logic seemed to indicate trying to go richer and, what do you know,
now it finally runs smoothly. It was just too lean, it seems.
>
> Because I never like going very long without things to fret about, I am
noticing for the first time in over 200 hours of operation that I am having
to add tiny amounts of water - coolant - to keep it topped off. That might
be 1/4 cup every 3 hours or so - approximately. The first 200 hours, there
wasn't a drop added. So here comes my question - what have other 914 engine
operators found regarding coolant? I have absolutely no evidence of external
leakage, although I will be doing a very comprehensive check of this in the
next few days. Anybody ever had this before - any body know of ways the
engine can use water without leaking externally? Is there a head gasket of
sorts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
> 245TT
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
At 260 hours have added coolant at 50 hour intervals when under the hood
changing oil...amount 4 oz or so to the overflow tank. The tank on top of
the engine is always full.
Ken Carpenter
A123 N9XS Mono 914
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Water
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> Now that I have solved my 914 engine running problem after many hours of
> checking things over - the engine is now the most checked out engine there
> is, I would think. Everything checked out fine, except it still wasn't
> running right - plus it has never had a satisfying run-up since new.
> Finally, I tried to adjust the carbs one notch lean, resulting in worse
> running. Logic seemed to indicate trying to go richer and, what do you
> know, now it finally runs smoothly. It was just too lean, it seems.
>
> Because I never like going very long without things to fret about, I am
> noticing for the first time in over 200 hours of operation that I am
> having to add tiny amounts of water - coolant - to keep it topped off.
> That might be 1/4 cup every 3 hours or so - approximately. The first 200
> hours, there wasn't a drop added. So here comes my question - what have
> other 914 engine operators found regarding coolant? I have absolutely no
> evidence of external leakage, although I will be doing a very
> comprehensive check of this in the next few days. Anybody ever had this
> before - any body know of ways the engine can use water without leaking
> externally? Is there a head gasket of sorts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
> 245TT
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Horn Misalignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
I've started the task of installing my sternpost and I've noticed what I
believe is a gross error in the alignment of the rudder horn.
I cut the base of the rudder exactly as it is shown in Chapter 2, exactly 90
degrees to the hinge pin line, and installed the nut plate and rudder horn
exactly as the instructions show. The upper and lower fuselage moldings at the
trailing edge are cut exactly on the cut line shown. Holding the rudder up to
the sternpost and sighting the alignment of the rudder horn shows it is a good
25 degrees out of line with the starboard rudder cable as it exits the fuselage
side and similarly out of line with the fuselage seam (level line). This
cannot possibly be right. Attaching the rudder cable to the horn in the fashion
shown using a bolt would put a side load on the cable thimble anytime the rudder
moves and almost certainly would cause the cable to fail with repeated use. I
followed the manual sequentially, so when the nutplate and rudder horn were
mounted I wasn't far enough along with the fuselage to verify the angle. If I
had waited until I was ready to install the sternpost to check the angle I'm
pretty sure I would have caught this because the angle is so off.
I can fix the problem, but it's going to take sawing off the nutplate,
adjusting the angle of the bottom of the rudder to match the cable line, and then
re-installing the nutplate. I figure this is at least 10 hours additional work
minimum.
Has anybody else run into this? Am I missing an update somewhere that shows a
different procedure? I can't see this working at all as is.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Scratching my head once again)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> Spraylat it is - from AS&S - and not to keep it on for more than a
>few months if wanting to strip it off again.
>How sweet it is!
>Ferg
>A064
Ferg & anyone else
I haven't tried it but I suggest the answer to embrittled Spraylat which
won't come off would be to coat it again with new Spraylat and pull the old
off with the new
Graham
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| Subject: | Help! Replacement fuel cap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/09/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>Tim,
>
>Not a quick fix, but replacement caps are available from Aircraft
>Spruce and Wicks. Unfortunately, they seem to be sold only as a set,
>cap + flange. See page 165 in the new ACS catalog or search either of
>their websites ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com
>http://www.wicksaircraft.com ) for "fuel caps".
Try Robin Voice,
UK phone 01453 834 032
836703 fax
Graham
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| Subject: | tailkit and consumables for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
Hi Folks,
the is the last email to the forum concerning this - to point anyone
interested to the web page that shows what's for sale and who has the
highest bid:
http://www.brownfamily.org.uk/public/europa.html
cheers
Andy
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Graham et all,
I have tried coating old spraylat with a coat of new to get it off but it
didn't work. The thing that worked best to get the old stuff off was to
stick duct tape on it and rip it off.
Paul
>
> Ferg & anyone else
>
> I haven't tried it but I suggest the answer to embrittled Spraylat which
> won't come off would be to coat it again with new Spraylat and pull the
old
> off with the new
> Graham
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Horn Misalignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rocketman <topglock@cox.net>
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
>Greetings all,
>
>I've started the task of installing my sternpost and I've noticed what I
>believe is a gross error in the alignment of the rudder horn.
>
>I cut the base of the rudder exactly as it is shown in Chapter 2, exactly 90
>degrees to the hinge pin line, and installed the nut plate and rudder horn
>exactly as the instructions show. The upper and lower fuselage moldings at the
>trailing edge are cut exactly on the cut line shown. Holding the rudder up to
>the sternpost and sighting the alignment of the rudder horn shows it is a good
>25 degrees out of line with the starboard rudder cable as it exits the fuselage
>side and similarly out of line with the fuselage seam (level line). This
>cannot possibly be right. Attaching the rudder cable to the horn in the fashion
>shown using a bolt would put a side load on the cable thimble anytime the rudder
>moves and almost certainly would cause the cable to fail with repeated use. I
>followed the manual sequentially, so when the nutplate and rudder horn were
>mounted I wasn't far enough along with the fuselage to verify the angle. If I
>had waited until I was ready to install the sternpost to check the angle I'm
>pretty sure I would have caught this because the angle is so off.
>
>I can fix the problem, but it's going to take sawing off the nutplate,
>adjusting the angle of the bottom of the rudder to match the cable line, and then
>re-installing the nutplate. I figure this is at least 10 hours additional work
>minimum.
>
>Has anybody else run into this? Am I missing an update somewhere that shows a
>different procedure? I can't see this working at all as is.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lawton
>Dunlap, TN
>A-245 (Scratching my head once again)
>
>
>
John,
Mine's the same way, and it's a quick build. I believe it's normal...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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