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1. 03:06 AM - e mail address (ctsmallwood)
2. 06:32 AM - Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (UVTReith@aol.com)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 09/21/04 (Doug Lawton)
4. 09:21 AM - Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
6. 01:17 PM - Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (Rowland Carson)
7. 02:56 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less (Andy Silvester)
8. 03:14 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less (Duncan McFadyean)
9. 05:02 PM - Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (Michael Grass)
10. 05:34 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less (Andy Silvester)
11. 07:56 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Andy Silvester)
12. 09:00 PM - Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (Paul Boulet)
13. 09:38 PM - Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS (Bob Jacobsen)
14. 10:06 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.com>
Please note E mail address change to
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| Subject: | Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
Hi Friends,
I wuold like to contact Kim Proud.
Can somebody give me his eMail address?
Thanks for help.
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith / _uvtreith@aol.com_ (mailto:uvtreith@aol.com)
kit-no.: 379 XS Monowheel / smart-Brabus 102 hp turbocharched engine
Ready for testflying during springtime 05
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 09/21/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Hi Paul,
I'm a hang glider pilot with 32 years experience. Only about 8 or 9
sailplane flights under my belt. But from what I've experienced so far, it
seems really easy compared to hang gliding. I plan to get my glider rating
this fall as an add on to my private license.
Fly Safely,
Doug Lawton
A244
Just wondered what proportion of Europa builders/flyers are really glider
pilots at heart??
Cheers
Paul ("the bloody glider pilot!!")
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| Subject: | Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
Bruno,
Kim's Email address is: kpaviat@verizon.net
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
Andy,
When will you be announcing the results of your Carb "needle" tests? The
preliminary results are very interesting!
Dale Hetrick
(A Jabiru engine user who is very happy with the 3300 engine)
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| Subject: | Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-09-30 09:31 -0400 UVTReith@aol.com wrote:
>kit-no.: 379 XS Monowheel / smart-Brabus 102 hp turbocharched engine
Bruno - can you tell us more about this engine, please?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Dale,
I'm flying up to Evergreen, AL for this weekend's EAA Southeast Regional
Fly-In (SERFI); about 4 hrs each way, so I should have a good picture of the
fuel burn and performance when I get back. I'll post something suitable next
week.
Andy
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale G. HetriG
Hetrick
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
Forward-less
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick"
<gdale2@juno.com>
Andy,
When will you be announcing the results of your Carb "needle" tests? The
preliminary results are very interesting!
Dale Hetrick
(A Jabiru engine user who is very happy with the 3300 engine)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Factoid:
A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with a
912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
<info@suncoastjabiru.com>
>
> Dale,
>
> I'm flying up to Evergreen, AL for this weekend's EAA Southeast Regional
> Fly-In (SERFI); about 4 hrs each way, so I should have a good picture of
the
> fuel burn and performance when I get back. I'll post something suitable
next
> week.
>
> Andy
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale G.
HetriG
> Hetrick
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
> Forward-less
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick"
> <gdale2@juno.com>
>
> Andy,
> When will you be announcing the results of your Carb "needle" tests? The
> preliminary results are very interesting!
> Dale Hetrick
> (A Jabiru engine user who is very happy with the 3300 engine)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hallo Bruno,
try kpav@uia.net . More information might be found at www.kpaviation.com .
Gruesse
Michael Grass
A266 Tri Gear
Detroit, Michigan
almost ready to bond in the cockpit module
----- Original Message -----
From: <UVTReith@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> I wuold like to contact Kim Proud.
> Can somebody give me his eMail address?
>
>
> Thanks for help.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Bruno Reith / _uvtreith@aol.com_ (mailto:uvtreith@aol.com)
> kit-no.: 379 XS Monowheel / smart-Brabus 102 hp turbocharched engine
> Ready for testflying during springtime 05
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Thanks, Duncan. I'm assuming you're referring to UK gallons, so converting
to US gallons, and taking my initial 22% improvement in consumption with the
new needle-and-jet setup, this means the Jabiru would be burning 3.1 UK GPH
based on your numbers. In the ball-park with Rotax, I'd say!
Cheers
Andy
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
Forward-less
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Factoid:
A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with a
912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
<info@suncoastjabiru.com>
>
> Dale,
>
> I'm flying up to Evergreen, AL for this weekend's EAA Southeast Regional
> Fly-In (SERFI); about 4 hrs each way, so I should have a good picture of
the
> fuel burn and performance when I get back. I'll post something suitable
next
> week.
>
> Andy
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale G.
HetriG
> Hetrick
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
> Forward-less
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick"
> <gdale2@juno.com>
>
> Andy,
> When will you be announcing the results of your Carb "needle" tests? The
> preliminary results are very interesting!
> Dale Hetrick
> (A Jabiru engine user who is very happy with the 3300 engine)
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Tony,
You're right; Jabiru make a cowling for the Europa and this has been around
for a few years. However, when I was approached by Europa in USA to produce
a complete firewall forward kit here, I decided to develop a new cowling for
the following reasons:
1. The Jabiru cowling was designed a few years ago, and is based on the
Jabiru aircraft cowling.
2. Europa's (then) management didn't like the look of the Jabiru cowling
offering, and wanted something more on the lines of the standard Rotax
Cowling. I accept it's a subjective opinion, but at the time, I took notice
of those who would be making key purchase decisions.
3. I have wanted for some time to adopt the 'Lo-Presti' style round cooling
openings, not only for looks, but for the fact that they are much more
efficient at high angles of attack than other shapes (the Jabiru standard
cowl has openings with straight lower edges, and this causes more turbulence
in the duct at high alpha angles).
I'm not pushing our design exclusively; if owners prefer the Jabiru cowling
(I too think it looks better than most), I'm happy to supply it.
Andy
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Andrew,
I am aware Jabiru here in Australia are selling a complete fwf kit for the
Europa, so the question is "why do you think you can do it better than what
is already on offer out of Australia?". I know for a fact that the Jabiru
3300 cowling makes it the nicest lines of any Europa, but that is my
opinion. Standing by....................
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia.
P.S. I am still undecided as to which engine I am going to go with.
At 10:17 AM 9/20/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
>
>Andrew,
>
>You're not alone in your views about the 'firewall-forward' part of the
>kit-build so often conveniently overlooked by kit manufacturers! I fairness
>I suppose, to all kit companies (except Jabiru, who I think are unique
>selling both aircraft and engines), the Firewall-Forward is 'Somebody
Else's
>Problem'. Kit manufacturers tend to concentrate on airframe support, and
why
>not? Having said that, I do applaud Europa's long-standing support for the
>Rotax setups and I'm not here to rubbish Rotax in favor of Jabiru. However
>(!), I ask potential engine customers to consider the following issues:
>
>1. Simplicity. The Jabiru is designed as an aircraft engine, uses all
>'aircraft' (AN/SAE) fastenings, is direct-drive and air cooled. No gearbox,
>radiator, header tank, fluid pipework, etc.
>2. Reliability. Jabiru engines have a 2000 hour TBO, with a 1000 hour
>recommended top-end overhaul - essentially changing the piston rings and
>re-honing the bores, and maybe re-seating the valve seats if necessary. No
>need to split the crankcase until 2000 hours.
>3. Cost of ownership. Jabiru parts are around 1/2 the cost of equivalent
>Rotax parts, and the cost of TBO overhaul, parts and labor, is currently
>around $6500 all-in, and remember it's at 2000 hours, so the cost-per-hour
>is very competitive with those having lower published TBOs.
>4. Flexibility in use. The engine runs equally well on AvGas or premium
>auto-gas (minimum 93 Octane), and uses regular aviation oil.
>5. Sound. The Jabiru's maximum RPM is 3300, not over 6000.
>
>OK, that's about as close as I'll get to a hard-sell on here; I respect
that
>these lists are for inter-owner technical information and opinion and not
>necessarily for heavy marketing or 'our product is better than theirs'. All
>I ask is that prospective customers look closely at the alternatives and
>decide based on their own preferences. I'll be happy to provide more
>information or enter discussion here if members are interested....
>
>Andy Silvester
>
>Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
>www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
>
>Being at heart a glider pilot, when I started on this homebuild lark I had
>naively thought one's problems were just about over when the airframe was
>built . I imagined you just bolt in the engine, probably a Rotax, connect
>the fuel
>and some wires, and the rest just happened. I now have a sneaking feeling
>it's not that simple....
>
> Reading all the technical snags people are running into makes me wonder.
I
>know for a fact that if snags are out there, I will get the lot.
>
>At least I have the luxury of time before I have to send someone another
>huge sum of money (for the engine that is- and maybe this time I'll get
the
>
>goods I paid for.) But now a new dilemma- should the money go to Austria or
>Australia?
>
> My point is , no doubt many builders would be very interested in a nicely
>cowled Jabiru option; but would it be a better choice than the Rotax? if so
>will it be easier to fit, more reliable, more economical, etc etc?
>Obviously
>the hiatus in Kirkbymoorside offers Jabiru an ideal chance to come up with
a
>
>brand new firewall- forward package, but ....how does one decide which
>engine to
>buy? And then what about these diesels? Heavy and smelly but so much
>simpler...so ,sell me an engine, Andy at Suncoast Sportplanes!
>
>
>Andrew Jarvis 599 [wingless wonder]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
that's an old, incorrect email for Kim. Correct one
is kpaviat@verizon.net
Paul Boulet, N914PB
my test pilot bailed on me...waiting on another
--- Michael Grass <M.Grass@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass"
> <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Hallo Bruno,
>
> try kpav@uia.net . More information might be found
> at www.kpaviation.com .
>
> Gruesse
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Tri Gear
> Detroit, Michigan
> almost ready to bond in the cockpit module
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <UVTReith@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fairing for Europa Monowheel
> XS
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by:
> UVTReith@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I wuold like to contact Kim Proud.
> > Can somebody give me his eMail address?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for help.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Bruno Reith / _uvtreith@aol.com_
> (mailto:uvtreith@aol.com)
> > kit-no.: 379 XS Monowheel / smart-Brabus 102 hp
> turbocharched engine
> > Ready for testflying during springtime 05
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
If you are looking for a mainwheel fairing its not to hard to make one.
Check here for tips;
http://www.europa-usa.com/farings.htm
Bob Jacobsen
N201WH
>From: UVTReith@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Fairing for Europa Monowheel XS
>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:31:41 EDT
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
>
>Hi Friends,
>
>I wuold like to contact Kim Proud.
>Can somebody give me his eMail address?
>
>
>Thanks for help.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Bruno Reith / _uvtreith@aol.com_ (mailto:uvtreith@aol.com)
>kit-no.: 379 XS Monowheel / smart-Brabus 102 hp turbocharched engine
>Ready for testflying during springtime 05
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Andy,
I'm sure there are a lot of people in my position.....soon to need an
engine......an am reading this thread with great interest.
Two quick questions:
1) Do you have any reliability figures on both the 2200 and 3300?
2) Could you give us ballpark figures on price and availability for the FWF
kit for the Europa?
Mike Duane
XS A207 Conventional Gear
Redding, California
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