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1. 02:26 AM - long range fuel tank (ACJARVIS1@aol.com)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: long range fuel tank (Jos Okhuijsen)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less (bryan allsop)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa (Gerry Holland)
5. 06:37 AM - Re: long range fuel tank (Fergus Kyle)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: Long Range Fuel Tank (rlborger)
7. 12:13 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa (Duncan McFadyean)
8. 01:00 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa (Gerry Holland)
9. 01:08 PM - Re: long range fuel tank (SteveD)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: OT: Europa glider pilots (Kevin Klinefelter)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Jabiru Support for Europa (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
12. 02:48 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Andy Silvester)
13. 03:13 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Questions (round 2 of 2) (Andy Silvester)
14. 04:01 PM - Modifications and Bulletins and Revisions oh my.. (SteveD)
15. 10:41 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option (Joe Proctor)
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| Subject: | long range fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ACJARVIS1@aol.com
I'm getting near to installing my cockpit module- not through countless hours
of toil but because I opted for the promotion which included the ready made
module.
I was impressed by Paul Stewart's suggestion of upgrading the fuel selector
to the Andair.
so now is obviously the time to do it .
BUT I also would like to plan for option of fitting the long range tank.
.....assuming it will still be available, and can someone email me the
instructions?
Question : what should I do next, plumbing-wise?
Andrew Jarvis 599
Motor glider monowheel
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| Subject: | Re: long range fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Andrew,
> I was impressed by Paul Stewart's suggestion of upgrading the fuel
> selector
> to the Andair.
> so now is obviously the time to do it .
>
> BUT I also would like to plan for option of fitting the long range tank.
> .....assuming it will still be available, and can someone email me the
> instructions?
The long range tank connects through a modified top vent connection. So
nothing to worry about until you have the lr tank. Can be fitted almost as
easily on a finished Europa i guess. Me too has choosen for the Andair
selector and gascolator on advise of Graham Singleton. At the time of the
order, 6 weeks ago the delivery time would be 14 days. They must have a
different definition of time :-) But it's a hobby so no hurry.
Cu,
Jos Okhuijsen #600
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall Forward-less |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I wonder which Europa that was?
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
Forward-less
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Factoid:
> A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with a
> 912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
> Forward-less
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
> <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
> >
> > Dale,
> >
> > I'm flying up to Evergreen, AL for this weekend's EAA Southeast Regional
> > Fly-In (SERFI); about 4 hrs each way, so I should have a good picture of
> the
> > fuel burn and performance when I get back. I'll post something suitable
> next
> > week.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> > www.suncoastjabiru.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale G.
> HetriG
> > Hetrick
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa -- was: Firewall
> > Forward-less
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick"
> > <gdale2@juno.com>
> >
> > Andy,
> > When will you be announcing the results of your Carb "needle" tests?
The
> > preliminary results are very interesting!
> > Dale Hetrick
> > (A Jabiru engine user who is very happy with the 3300 engine)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>> Factoid:
>> A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with a
>> 912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
>>
>> Duncan McF.
Duncan Hi!
That equates to 11.4 Litres per hour from Europa? What was the airspeed
performance and at what level and temperature. Was that with CS Prop?
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: long range fuel tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: <ACJARVIS1@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: long range fuel tank
| I'm getting near to installing my cockpit module- not through countless
hours
| of toil but because I opted for the promotion which included the ready
made
| module. ...............
| Question : what should I do next, plumbing-wise?
| Andrew Jarvis 599
Andrew,
...don't know the details of your 'ready made' module, but I
would suggest planning the routing for wires (conduits) before gluing in.
There are a number of routes for wiring which may be arduous after the
insertion and now would be the time..... I had the advantage of assembling
old-style and have imbedded drink straw routes through some of the cockpit
where not structural, and included double length pullthrough fishing line
for any future inclusion.
Like several others, I opted for alu fuel lines where they are
difficult to replace, hoping thereby to avoid scraped knuckles in 5
years...........
Cheers and good luck,
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Long Range Fuel Tank |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Andrew,
Go to my build area on The Europa Forum (
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL ) and you see an album containing
pics of the long range tank and fittings provided. There are also
scans of the installation instructions. This should provide you with
the information you need.
As Jos said, the tank connects through a modified main tank vent
fitting and requires that no additional plumbing be installed.
I also agree with Ferg in that you should get as much of your wiring
planning and any conduits needed in place before the C/M is bonded in.
Since you are going for the upgraded fuel selector and gascolator, If
you haven't replaced the Europa provided fuel lines yet, now is the
time to do it. My EAA Tech Advisor's first and strongest "request" was
that the fuel lines be replaced with better material. You can go with
aluminum (often recommended), highest quality automotive fuel injection
hose (easiest, least expensive and most recommended) or the various
flexible aircraft alternatives up to and including custom Aeroquip 666
teflon with stainless steel braid and compression fittings (most
expensive and never need replacing).
Hope this helps.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 27
Setting Wings, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door
Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
That was at102 knots (although others in the same formation were recording
between 105 and 115 knots). OAT would have been around 5C or less and
altitude was about 5000' (can check more precise parameters from GPS log).
Fixed pitch wide chord WD 65" x 20.5 deg at tip.
In France last weekend fuel burn at 91 knots was 7 l/hr, 3900 rpm. However,
it was a thermally day and there may have been some contribution from this
because I've not seen fuel burn below 7.25 l/hr before.
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
>
> >> Factoid:
> >> A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with
a
> >> 912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
> >>
> >> Duncan McF.
>
> Duncan Hi!
>
> That equates to 11.4 Litres per hour from Europa? What was the airspeed
> performance and at what level and temperature. Was that with CS Prop?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Support for Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> That was at102 knots (although others in the same formation were recording
> between 105 and 115 knots). OAT would have been around 5C or less and
> altitude was about 5000' (can check more precise parameters from GPS log).
> Fixed pitch wide chord WD 65" x 20.5 deg at tip.
> In France last weekend fuel burn at 91 knots was 7 l/hr, 3900 rpm. However,
> it was a thermally day and there may have been some contribution from this
> because I've not seen fuel burn below 7.25 l/hr before.
Thanks Duncan. Good information.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | RE: long range fuel tank |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Attached is the PDF file for the Long Range Tank..
Steved.
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http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=2818#2818
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| Subject: | OT: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I started flying Hang Gliders here in the Owens Valley in 1982. John, did
you ever fly our here?
Then started flying sailplanes in 1990 and soon added an instructor
certificate.
And then started flying rented spam cans, the most expensive and least fun.
Sure look forward to flying the Europa soon and someday adding long wings to
my 914/ airmaster XS.
Kevin, A-211
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: OT: Europa glider pilots
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 9/22/2004 2:58:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Just wondered what proportion of Europa builders/flyers are really
> glider pilots at heart??
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I guess you could call me a glider pilot at heart. I've avidly flown hang
> gliders for 25 years and started flying sailplanes 10 years ago. Now, my
> brother and I own a grass strip here in the Sequatchie Valley of East
Tennessee and
> I operate a sailplane tow operation out of it. I've logged a little over
100
> hours so far this year in sailplanes and about 30 hours towing with our
> Pawnee.
Do not archive
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
---
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--> Europa-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa
Duncan
Can you confirm you are running a 65" prop
My permit says I've got a 62" warp drive on my Classic ( though I have never
measured it!!) and I wonder how the extra diameter affects things, is a
bigger prop standard with the XS ?
Regards
Tim Houlihan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
That was at102 knots (although others in the same formation were recording
between 105 and 115 knots). OAT would have been around 5C or less and
altitude was about 5000' (can check more precise parameters from GPS log).
Fixed pitch wide chord WD 65" x 20.5 deg at tip.
In France last weekend fuel burn at 91 knots was 7 l/hr, 3900 rpm. However,
it was a thermally day and there may have been some contribution from this
because I've not seen fuel burn below 7.25 l/hr before.
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru Support for Europa
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
>
> >> Factoid:
> >> A 3300 Jabiru-Europa flown over a long distance in loose formation with
a
> >> 912s-Europa last year returned close to 4 gph. The Rotax burned 2.5gph.
> >>
> >> Duncan McF.
>
> Duncan Hi!
>
> That equates to 11.4 Litres per hour from Europa? What was the airspeed
> performance and at what level and temperature. Was that with CS Prop?
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Hi Mike and listers,
Wow! I get back from my trip to a weekend show and see a bit of a scuffle
broke out, albeit (hopefully) good-natured. I did say in my original post
that I don't believe these owner / builder lists should be used for
advertising by guys like me, and I apologize if it looked that way. As I
said before, I think we have a very competitive product in the Jabiru
engine, but of course this can be a very subjective matter, especially when
we discuss looks, sound, etc. Let me also be clear that I believe the Rotax
is a great engine; I never 'rubbish' it (or don't mean to!), but try to
offer a view of it's capabilities and strengths alongside the Jabiru
alternative. I also have you guys (probably) at a disadvantage in that I
witness the comments made from satisfied Jabiru engine owners with aircraft
very similar to the Europa's speed range and general layout. I had to smile
when I saw the comment about me 'using the Europa web site as a market place
for (your) Jabiru engines', not because I don't take it seriously, but
because there are, of course Jabiru engines lists (some here will belong but
may never admit it! :)) and when an interloper comes in and starts singing
the praises of Rotax he will get the same response!
Anyway, Mike, I'm also aware of the history of cooling problems in UK
Europas and (honestly) can't understand why this was, or what happened. I'm
really not interested in digging-over those cases which is why I'm doing
Frank Wood's XS as a clean-sheet approach using MY experience. I'm happy to
be a member of this list on a 'reactive' basis; if I get asked a question,
I'll give a straight (no BS) answer, and based on fact if at all possible. I
was invited onto the list (thanks), but will equally be happy to leave if
there's a general feeling that I'm exploiting this space for commercial
reasons. It takes time to give considered responses rather than 'ours is
better than yours' rhetoric and I really don't want to be here if my
responses are seen as unhelpful.
Andy
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL PARKIN
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jabiru 3300 Engine option
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Hi Andy,
If you are going to use the Europa web site as a market place for your
jabiru engines, can we cut to the bottom line.
How many Europa XS aircraft have flown with the Jabiru 3300 engine that have
not experienced severe cooling problems. I have only heard of 2 in the UK
and during trial flying - both aircraft had difficulty making the take-off
point before they overheated. I accept that this may well be a cowling
issue - but has it yet to be proven successfully?
And yes you are right, I am very satisfied with my Rotax 914.
regards,
Mike.
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine Questions (round 2 of 2) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Bruce,
Thanks for the info. As per last time, your questions need time for adequate
response and I'll get answers posted within 48 hours. I guess I post photos
to the link at the bottom of the page and refer to them from here in a reply
(?).
I don't have the actual figures in front of me, but can relate that my
prediction of 5 US gph is realistic on a long-ish trip (480 nm each way).
Coming home at 120 kts TAS had the EIS fuel flow sitting at 5gph all the way
in cruise. In fact, with the Airmaster prop (2600 rpm cruise, 2800 climb and
3000 t/o), I use fuel-burn as the main throttle feedback setting. I do have
a MP readout, but prefer to go on fuel burn. EGTs are around 1420 max (OK,
Brits and Aussies, that's 771C). CHTs all well within limits. The trip back
(Alabama to SW Florida) was in great weather, at between 5,500' and 9,500'
and took about 4 hours non - stop, taking-in much of the damaged hurricane
areas for both Ivan and Charlie. (Wish I'd bought stocks in the makers of
blue plastic sheeting) No, I'm not bragging about range/endurance, I just
wanted to get back for a beer!
Cheers, more soon on Bruces's questions. The beer awaits.
Andy
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Subject: Europa-List: Jabiru Engine Questions (round 2 of 2)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce" <bruce@justbruce.com>
Jabiru Questions (round 2 of 2)
Andy (of Suncoast Jabiru)
-----Thank you for your response to my previous questions.
Europa-list members
----- 1. Thank you for your postings to the europa-list in
response to my Jabiru 3300 questions. I appreciate the
shared dialogue and hearing of your experiences and
opinions.
----- 2. Thank you also for the more than twenty private
e-mails that were sent to me and not to this list. Some of
those e-mails informed me of their own Jabiru 3300
installations, or of Europa/Jabiru installations that they
were aware of. Other e-mails thanked me for bringing up the
topic of alternative powerplants. A few e-mails suggested
additional questions for Andy and Jabiru and I have tried to
include their questions below. Three of these private
e-mails were extremely critical of me posting my first set
of Jabiru questions and suggested that powerplant
discussions should be held on another forum. The writers of
those three personal e-mails are in addition to those
list-members who have publicly posted on the europa-list
their dislike for a vendor supplying information to the
list. I believe information that helps us make the most
important decision we face in the construction of our
Europas is worthy of inclusion in this list regardless of
the source so long as it is based on real-life experiences
that can be confirmed. If Andy starts to annoy us with
special offers or other blatant messages of a commercial
nature, then we can ask him to be quiet and return to his
lurking mode.
My Jabiru 3300 questions for today:
1. Reliability: By popular demand, we would like to hear
your comments about reliability. What statistics have
Jabiru gathered? I'm sure others on the list will respond
with their own experiences and observations. This issue is
of utmost concern for all of us evaluating powerplants, and
perhaps the most difficult thing for you to prove to us.
2. Cowling / appearance: I've searched various Jabiru
factory and dealer websites and have been unable to locate
any Europa cowling photos other than Bob Harrison's one-off
(?) solution. I understand from your recent e-mail comments
that there are two commercially available cowlings -- the
one from the Jabiru factory and another one that you
(Suncoast Jabiru) have produced.
3. Installation: Do you have any photos of a recent
vintage Jab 3300, installed in a Europa XS. (The only
images that are easy to find are Bob Harrison's Classic
Europa utilizing a custom cowling (?) and a custom (?)
engine mount? I'd appreciate seeing a series of photos
taken at different stages of the installation showing
pre-install preparation (fuel line and power feeds etc.),
engine mount only installed, then photos with engine
mounted, then with air baffles mounted and modified as
necessary, then with bottom cowl, and finally with the top
cowl all closed up and ready to go.
4. Serviceability and access: I recall Bob Harrison
commenting somewhere that it was challenging to access the
carburetor and perhaps other components in his Europa
Classic. I think he also speculated that access in a Europa
XS would be even tighter due to the XS's extended foot
wells. (Sorry Bob H. if you are not the one who posted this
observation). I would appreciate hearing comments from Andy
or Jabiru users regarding this concern. I also would like
to see photos that illustrate this issue if it really is a
problem and what you do as a "work-around".
5. Electrical generating capability: From the archives of
the Europa List and the Jabiru List, I have found that many
builders believe that perhaps neither Jabiru nor Rotaxes
have alternators sufficient to power all the strobes, nav
lights, wig-wag recognition lights, avionics, and other toys
that we would like to run. Obviously most Europa's are
flown with the standard Rotax or Jabiru alternators, but is
it feasible to stack a pair of the Jab alternators on the
rear of the 3300 like I believe they do on the Jab 5100 and
does the Europa installation leave you enough room to do so?
Would there be adequate room to mount one of B&C's vacuum
pump alternators on the Jabiru vacuum pad, (and does it
work). Are there belt-driven alternators that can be
sourced and do they fit under the cowl?
6. Prop flange design and prop weight: A Europa-List
member has provided very extensive documentation of the
challenges he faced and the modifications he had to make in
order to utilize his chosen constant speed prop with an
early Jabiru 3300. What is Jabiru's current position on
this matter and have modifications, changes to
specifications or other provisions been made in recent years
that address this issue.
7. Lastly, inquiring minds are anxious for the
fuel-consumption update that you mentioned in an earlier
post. We need adequate and realistic fuel performance
details. Fuel usage in a Europa is a huge issue due to the
small tank size. Fuel capacity is only 18 U.S. gallons but
early Europa marketing materials diffused this issue by
discussing Kim Prout's 2.1 GPH economy-cruise experiences in
his 80 HP 912, and Dennis Vorheee's 200 MPH experiences with
his 914. A review of some of a list-member's postings
indicate Jabiru powered Europas will, based on his
experiences, only have a couple of hours of flight time. I
have saved emails from him reporting 7.08 (converted to U.S.
gallons) GPH at 125K and 6.12G GPH at economy cruise (110K).
(I believe his e-mails stated consumption in Imperial
gallons which I hope I have accurately converted to U.S.
gallons.) At his higher consumption rate, that works out to
only 2 hours and 34 minutes from which you have to subtract
a 30 to 45 minute reserve.
Thanks again for everyone's comments,
Bruce L
XS 142
Tracy, California
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| Subject: | Modifications and Bulletins and Revisions oh my.. |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Well, I've posted what docs I have on the forum under Europa files.
Hopefully E4 will online soon.
Steved.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 Engine option |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Andy;
I for one welcome your input as one that looks forward to the firewall
forward purchase.
regards.
Joe A- 272
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From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
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