Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:19 AM - Classic stainless exhausts (nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk)
2. 04:05 AM - (Tim Weert)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: (Jeremy Davey)
4. 07:02 AM - FW: Concorde (Jeremy Davey)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: FW: Concorde (Chris Beck)
6. 07:27 AM - Re: Credit card refund (Vaughn Teegarden)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: FW: Concorde (Gerry Holland)
8. 07:48 AM - 912S starting / Heavy duty starter (John & Paddy Wigney)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: FW: Concorde (Jeremy Davey)
10. 07:56 AM - E glass tape (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
11. 08:42 AM - Re: FW: Concorde (Gerry Holland)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: (Dan Bish)
13. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Europa glider pilots (Terry Seaver)
14. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Europa glider pilots (Alan Stewart)
15. 10:25 AM - Trim motors (Fergus Kyle)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: FW: Concorde (percyville)
17. 12:01 PM - Re: E glass tape (Nigel Graham)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: FW: Concorde (Duncan McFadyean)
19. 01:13 PM - 912S starters (Richard Holder)
20. 02:27 PM - Re: FW: Concorde (Jeremy Davey)
21. 03:00 PM - GPS problem (Davidghillam@aol.com)
22. 03:06 PM - Engine Monitor (Cliff Shaw)
23. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Europa glider pilots (JR (Bob) Gowing)
24. 03:48 PM - Re: GPS problem (Terry Seaver)
25. 04:09 PM - Re: FW: Concorde (DJGeldermann)
26. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Europa glider pilots (Joe Proctor)
27. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Europa glider pilots (Kingsley Hurst)
28. 09:08 PM - Re: GPS problem (William Mills)
29. 09:18 PM - Re: FW: Concorde (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
30. 10:16 PM - Fuel Sender (Dan Bish)
31. 10:31 PM - Fuel Sender (Dan Bish)
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| Subject: | Classic stainless exhausts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk
I am told by the manufacturer that Europa (2004) has a small stock of stainless
exhausts. Orders can be placed by individuals direct so there is no longer
any need for prospective customers to contact myself or the manufacturer.
Nigel Charles
Get Tiscali Broadband From 15:99
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Rowland,
Can you tell me more details about the refund by creditcardcompanies, I phoned
Mastercard to try to get the money I payed EMIL (10% deposit for my kit #604 &
Trailer) with my Mastercard back, but they told me "because it's more than one
month after receiving the cardreceipt, they cannot do anything for me".
Regards,
Tim.
Fortunately I found G-KITZ in an auction. She'll fly next year again unther a new
Dutch registration.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Tim,
These guys push back so often. The legal reality is that you buy your
purchase off the credit card company, and they buy it off the merchant (EMIL
in this case).
Therefore, if you dont get your goods, the credit card company have failed
to deliver, not EMIL.
Push back at them - they're just trying to fob you off to save themselves
some money. Dont feel sorry for them - they charge the merchant 4% to cover
these situations!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Weert
Subject:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Rowland,
Can you tell me more details about the refund by creditcardcompanies, I
phoned Mastercard to try to get the money I payed EMIL (10% deposit for my
kit #604 & Trailer) with my Mastercard back, but they told me "because it's
more than one month after receiving the cardreceipt, they cannot do anything
for me".
Regards,
Tim.
Fortunately I found G-KITZ in an auction. She'll fly next year again unther
a new Dutch registration.
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
petition!
Regards,
Jeremy
Dear Penny,
More than 20,000 Britons are determined to see Concorde fly again and will
be taking this bid to the highest level - the people and the Prime Minister.
The Save Concorde group has organised a rally in London to save our Great
British aviation icon. Keen supporters and champions of the Concorde will
gather in Whitehall on Friday, October 22, 2004, at 1pm and march to Downing
Street to hand a petition to Prime Minister Tony Blair. Should you wish to
attend, please e-mail number10@save-concorde.co.uk
<mailto:number10@save-concorde.co.uk> for further details.
The full agenda of the Friday's events, the magnitude of public backing and
national affection for Concorde is evident on our website,
www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk> - which we invite
you to view.
We invite everyone who cares about the pioneer technological achievements
that gave birth to the Anglo-French supersonic airliner of our era to
register their support and help to return Concorde to the skies over
Britain.
Thank you!
Regards,
Steve
www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Concorde |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
I think they should give rides in the Concorde at Oshkosh every year at
Airventure. Ditch the Tri-Motor and fire up the afterburners!
Chris
A159 Mono
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
> petition!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
> Dear Penny,
>
> More than 20,000 Britons are determined to see Concorde fly again and
will
> be taking this bid to the highest level - the people and the Prime
Minister.
> The Save Concorde group has organised a rally in London to save our
Great
> British aviation icon. Keen supporters and champions of the Concorde
will
> gather in Whitehall on Friday, October 22, 2004, at 1pm and march to
Downing
> Street to hand a petition to Prime Minister Tony Blair. Should you
wish to
> attend, please e-mail number10@save-concorde.co.uk
> <mailto:number10@save-concorde.co.uk> for further details.
>
> The full agenda of the Friday's events, the magnitude of public
backing and
> national affection for Concorde is evident on our website,
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk> - which we
invite
> you to view.
>
> We invite everyone who cares about the pioneer technological
achievements
> that gave birth to the Anglo-French supersonic airliner of our era to
> register their support and help to return Concorde to the skies over
> Britain.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Credit card refund |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Teegarden" <VRTEEGARDEN@peoplepc.com>
I too was out the 10% deposit on a complete airframe. I called Visa and told
them that I had placed a deposit on an airframe kit and had not recieved it.
I also told them that the company was in recievership, so there was no
chance that I was going to recieve it. I did not mention any dates to them,
only that delivery was promised in 3 months after placing the order. They
sent some forms for me to fill out so I could document whole thing. I
e'mailed Redman Nichols with copies of my reciept from EMIL and then printed
the e'mails out. I had also e'mailed John in Florida and cancelled my order
because they couldn't deliver. I also asked for my deposit back, even though
I knew that it was not possible. He e'mailed back that it was not possible.
I made copies of all these e'mails and other docoments and sent that to Visa
along with their completed form. About 30 to 45 days later that they were
issuing a credit to my account. I have recieved the Redman Nichols report in
which I am listed as loser, so I am saving that in case I need further
proof.
In other words, I applied the CYOA (cover your own ass) principle in every
way That I could think of and left as heavy a paper trail as I could.
Vaughn Teegarden
Thankful to have dodged that bullet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
>
> Hi Rowland,
>
> Can you tell me more details about the refund by creditcardcompanies, I
phoned Mastercard to try to get the money I payed EMIL (10% deposit for my
kit #604 & Trailer) with my Mastercard back, but they told me "because it's
more than one month after receiving the cardreceipt, they cannot do anything
for me".
>
> Regards,
> Tim.
>
> Fortunately I found G-KITZ in an auction. She'll fly next year again
unther a new Dutch registration.
> ----------------
> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Concorde |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
> petition!
I certainly wouldn't march on Downing Street in the present political
climate.
Tony's Stasi Units will have a great time kicking ten shades of crap out of
you! They are well practised after welcoming the Countryside Alliance a few
days back.
Strange irony that we actually live a in a no blame, no risk Nanny State
that's pretentious enough that it can reverse on a dime and dish out
unprovoked retribution in the name of defending parliament, the voice of
it's electorate.
TSR2 will fly again before Concorde!
Burt Rutan has the right idea. Build a homebuilt that allows you escape
Mother Earth!
BTW. Involving the PFA is the last straw!!!!!
Peace!
Grumpy old West Country Yokel!
No flames please or I'll report you to Tony Blair. I'm a minority group!
Do not archive
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| Subject: | 912S starting / Heavy duty starter |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<Time: 11:03:23 AM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: 912S Starting
From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, anyone not using a 912S (or planning to use a 912S) can delete this
now.
I have just returned from trailering my Europa from near Stansted to Shobdon
(yesterday) and back (today).
I took it to Adrian Lloyd who changed my sprag clutch (in situ) and replaced
the starter motor with the Heavy Duty one. It was whole load of hassle and
it cost me muchos but it had to be done. With the new starter it
whizzes round when I turn the key and starts straight away. It wasn't
starting at all before.
I think that most, if not ALL, 912Ss will need to have this done sooner or
later. Mine didn't start well all last winter and it reoccurred recently. My
engine has done just 100 hours !
I would say that it is essential for ANYONE ordering a 912S to insist on the
Heavy Duty starter. I believe it is only an extra 70 if bought with the
engine. Mine cost 300. (Anyone want a lightly used standard starter ???)
I also think that if you ever have the blade kick-back at start-up you will
sooner or later screw up your sprag clutch, so the onset of kick-back should
send you off to Rotax to buy the HD starter immediately.
I say this as a due warning - listen, discuss, but don't blame me if you
ignore me and need a sprag clutch replacement 2 years down the line.
In fact I really think that Rotax are at fault in the design of this engine
and that they should be liable for the replacement starters and the cost of
replacements and any damage caused by the weak starter. I rather think the
cost of such an admission by them will make the admission of liability
unlikely.>>>>>>>>
Hi Richard,
Thanks for the heads up regarding the heavy duty starter. I have 350 hours on my
engine at the moment and fortunately have never had any trouble with starting.
The engine spins over quite nicely and fires within a few blades whether it
is cold or hot. The battery is my original Odyssey PC 545 12AH battery which
I bought in Sept 1999 and first flight was in Dec 2001. I have taken note of Lockwood
Aviation's recommendation to inspect the clutch and replace the Belleville
spring washers after ~ 300 hours and that is one of my 'things to do'. At
one of their maintenace seminars, they explained that if the clutch springs/dogs
are worn, the engine and prop inertia combination can work against each other
to aggravate poor starting and kick back. My prop is very light (~ 9lbs) so
that may be why I do not have trouble. I change the plugs at the recommended
100 hours and I also reset the plug gaps at 50 hours since I find there is significant
wear.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, WhirlWind C/S prop
Mooresville, North Carolina
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Gerry,
As a minority group, have you applied to Ken's Non-Nuclear Republic of
Hackey for a grant yet?
(Apologies, overseas friends, just our local version of the
Bush/Kerry/Clinton/Gore issues.)
On the subject of the PFA, it'll be launching a campaigning network shortly
to use volunteers to lobby MPs, MEPs, EASA, local councils, etc. in writing
as part of coordinated campaigning on aviation issues like VFR charging and
airfield closures. Even you may yet begrudgingly admit your love for the PFA
:-)
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
> petition!
I certainly wouldn't march on Downing Street in the present political
climate.
Tony's Stasi Units will have a great time kicking ten shades of crap out of
you! They are well practised after welcoming the Countryside Alliance a few
days back.
Strange irony that we actually live a in a no blame, no risk Nanny State
that's pretentious enough that it can reverse on a dime and dish out
unprovoked retribution in the name of defending parliament, the voice of
it's electorate.
TSR2 will fly again before Concorde!
Burt Rutan has the right idea. Build a homebuilt that allows you escape
Mother Earth!
BTW. Involving the PFA is the last straw!!!!!
Peace!
Grumpy old West Country Yokel!
No flames please or I'll report you to Tony Blair. I'm a minority group!
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 10/7/2004 2:59:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Could you explain what "E" glass tape is please?
>
> and yes I would like to see one or perhaps two photos to me off list.
>
> J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz working on adj seats after flaps in
> working condition.
>
Hi Bob,
"E" Glass is single weave with the fibers oriented at 90 degrees to each
other. When sandwiched with 'Bid it gives the part fibers which run at 45 and 90
degrees to each other. It's available in bolt sizing as well as tapes from ACS.
I bought a roll of 2" roll of the tape for experimentation purposes when I
made my center console cover. The edges are woven so they don't unravel. If you
wanted to beef up the edge of a part this is good stuff to do it with. I'll
send you some pics off list.
Not to be confused with "S" glass which is a single weave oriented at 45
degrees. Tape rolls of S glass are also available from ACS, although it's pricey.
I'm going to cover my seams on my wings and fuselage with S glass to keep the
seam from showing through or cracking the paint later on.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Concorde |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> Even you may yet begrudgingly admit your love for the PFA
You said I wouldn't have to 'come out' until later in the year!
Back to building the ramparts!
GH
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I couldn't agree more. I'm a merchant and do business with these guys
regularly. Even after you receive an item, you have up to 6 months to
dispute most purchases. If you didn't get the item, you card's purchase
protection policy (might find the policy on their web site) should cover
you. My 2 cents,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: Europa-List: RE:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Tim,
These guys push back so often. The legal reality is that you buy your
purchase off the credit card company, and they buy it off the merchant (EMIL
in this case).
Therefore, if you dont get your goods, the credit card company have failed
to deliver, not EMIL.
Push back at them - they're just trying to fob you off to save themselves
some money. Dont feel sorry for them - they charge the merchant 4% to cover
these situations!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Weert
Subject:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Rowland,
Can you tell me more details about the refund by creditcardcompanies, I
phoned Mastercard to try to get the money I payed EMIL (10% deposit for my
kit #604 & Trailer) with my Mastercard back, but they told me "because it's
more than one month after receiving the cardreceipt, they cannot do anything
for me".
Regards,
Tim.
Fortunately I found G-KITZ in an auction. She'll fly next year again unther
a new Dutch registration.
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
We have climbed to 12,500 feet with our 912S while crossing over the
hills to visit Kevin Klinefelter in Bishop, California, with the plane
still climbing at about 100-200 fpm at near gross weight. On one
occassion I got caught is some wave coming back and ended up at 15,000
feet and still climbing at 1000 fpm, with the throttle at idle and the
ASI in the yellow arc. You don't need long wings to glide in stuff like
that.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Bill and Sue wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue" <billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
>Ok I own up. You can put me down as another Europa-building hang glider
>pilot. I normally keep the two activities separate since both
>fraternities seem to think the other are crazy.
>I've flown hang gliders in the Owens Valley a few times, it has to be
>one of the great flying experiences. I once failed to get a C150 up to
>hang glider cruising height in the Owens valley- it would be interesting
>to see how a normally-aspirated Europa would fare. At the risk of
>starting a my-Europa-flies-higher-than-yours thread, what have those
>lucky enough to have theirs flying found to be the ceiling for the
>912/912S versions?
>
>Do not Archive
>
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
About 14000ft on a standard QNH and still climbing.
How much higher I would have gone is conjecture. At least another
thousand if I'd put my mind to it, I think.
I chickened out as I was worried about altitude.
Alan
I've stopped 273 spam messages. You can too!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Seaver
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa glider pilots
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
We have climbed to 12,500 feet with our 912S while crossing over the
hills to visit Kevin Klinefelter in Bishop, California, with the plane
still climbing at about 100-200 fpm at near gross weight. On one
occassion I got caught is some wave coming back and ended up at 15,000
feet and still climbing at 1000 fpm, with the throttle at idle and the
ASI in the yellow arc. You don't need long wings to glide in stuff like
that.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Bill and Sue wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue"
<billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
>Ok I own up. You can put me down as another Europa-building hang glider
>pilot. I normally keep the two activities separate since both
>fraternities seem to think the other are crazy.
>I've flown hang gliders in the Owens Valley a few times, it has to be
>one of the great flying experiences. I once failed to get a C150 up to
>hang glider cruising height in the Owens valley- it would be
interesting
>to see how a normally-aspirated Europa would fare. At the risk of
>starting a my-Europa-flies-higher-than-yours thread, what have those
>lucky enough to have theirs flying found to be the ceiling for the
>912/912S versions?
>
>Do not Archive
>
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
==
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==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I'm long out of the BIG stuff, but it seemed to me that modern
designers must demonstrate a landing ot two with the pitch trim set at limts
either way and the driver has to show competence in both. If I am wrong,
shatter my tender confidence.
If I am right, maybe Don Dykins already did this - as I know I've
had to demonstrate it - just can't remember where. Maybe Old Bob knows.
Anyway, any thoughts on this? Mueller? Anyone?
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Concorde rides at Oshkosh! I think not!!
If it wasn't for the paranoia of the American public, accentuated by the
American government being firmly under the sponsorship of the American
airline manufacturers of the day, Concorde would have been a viable
project and flying in mass numbers today.
Why is the American philosophy always to employ dirty tricks to ensure
the perception of American supremacy, the most common being the
withholding of IMF funding if we proceed with a project which surpasses
US capability?
But what really grieves me is to see the majority of retired Concorde's
have ended up being given to American Museums!!
Surely they should have been sold (just as Concordski was!) and the
proceeds held to either keep an example airworthy or sponsoring a
British Aviation research and development!!
Dare I state TSR2... well most of it's here:
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/tsr2/history.html
Doesn't mention how the design of TSR2 was initially stolen under the
mask of a pre-sales visit, which hence formed the basis of the F111
project.
Pity they don't air the 'project cancelled' series on the US version of
Discovery Wings.
The ability of British Aviation R&D at the time: the Americans couldn't
successfully make a copy of TSR2, likewise the Russians were unable to
successfully clone Concorde and TSR2 was superior to Tornado 15 years
before it flew...
It was viewing TSR2 at the age of 11 on a school science trip to the
museum at RAF Cosford that started my love affair with aviation....
Looked so space age with the gold tinted canopy, photography doesn't do
it justice!!
Paul
#558
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Beck
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
I think they should give rides in the Concorde at Oshkosh every year at
Airventure. Ditch the Tri-Motor and fire up the afterburners!
Chris
A159 Mono
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| Subject: | Re: E glass tape |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
Actually John, the difference between E glass and S glass has nothing to
do with the weave style.
E stands for "Electrical" grade and has a glass filament offering good
tensile and compressive strength but relatively poor impact strength.
This is the type most commonly used for homebuilds and marine
applications - and is the glass supplied by Europa.
"S" Glass was originally developed in the 1950s with a different
chemical composition and a filament diameter about half that of "E"
glass - giving a far greater wetted area.
This results in improved interlaminar, compressive and tensile strength
for a similar density. It is a much stronger reinforcement, approaching
that of carbon fibre, but the down side is it costs more (over double).
"In Europe, a third composition is available - "R" Glass. This is almost
identical to the "S" glass available in the US.
"E" glass is more vulnerable to attack by moisture than either "S" or
"R" and for this reason the latter is usually specified for highly
stressed and competition marine applications.
All these materials can be woven into virtually any style and sized to
suit the intended resin system, either polyester or epoxy. If ordering
new glass cloth - check that it is sized for epoxy.
Hope this helps
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: E glass tape
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 10/7/2004 2:59:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Could you explain what "E" glass tape is please?
>
> and yes I would like to see one or perhaps two photos to me off list.
>
> J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz working on adj seats after flaps in
> working condition.
>
Hi Bob,
"E" Glass is single weave with the fibers oriented at 90 degrees to each
other. When sandwiched with 'Bid it gives the part fibers which run at
45 and 90
degrees to each other. It's available in bolt sizing as well as tapes
from ACS.
I bought a roll of 2" roll of the tape for experimentation purposes when
I
made my center console cover. The edges are woven so they don't unravel.
If you
wanted to beef up the edge of a part this is good stuff to do it with.
I'll
send you some pics off list.
Not to be confused with "S" glass which is a single weave oriented at 45
degrees. Tape rolls of S glass are also available from ACS, although
it's pricey.
I'm going to cover my seams on my wings and fuselage with S glass to
keep the
seam from showing through or cracking the paint later on.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
==
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Concorde |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I'd rather support a campaign that promotes the continuance of light
aviation in Europe!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
> petition!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
> Dear Penny,
>
> More than 20,000 Britons are determined to see Concorde fly again and will
> be taking this bid to the highest level - the people and the Prime
Minister.
> The Save Concorde group has organised a rally in London to save our Great
> British aviation icon. Keen supporters and champions of the Concorde will
> gather in Whitehall on Friday, October 22, 2004, at 1pm and march to
Downing
> Street to hand a petition to Prime Minister Tony Blair. Should you wish to
> attend, please e-mail number10@save-concorde.co.uk
> <mailto:number10@save-concorde.co.uk> for further details.
>
> The full agenda of the Friday's events, the magnitude of public backing
and
> national affection for Concorde is evident on our website,
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk> - which we
invite
> you to view.
>
> We invite everyone who cares about the pioneer technological achievements
> that gave birth to the Anglo-French supersonic airliner of our era to
> register their support and help to return Concorde to the skies over
> Britain.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk>
>
>
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<europa-list@matronics.com>, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I measured the starters today.
If the starter is on the engine look for the two (three) nuts that secure it
at the front.
Rearwards from there are there two housings (one is the crankcase (?) and
the other is part of the housing that covers the camshaft drive cogs AND the
sprag clutch !) They are 11 and 15 mm deep.
The standard starter is 110 mm long
The HD starter has three sections, 15, 92 and 28 mm long making it 135 mm
long in total - about an inch longer than the standard starter (sh*t - where
did those imperial units come from !)
These measurements do not include the length of the mounting studs.
The following bit is, I think, right, but I am a little hazy in recollection
!
The standard starter is black. The HD is a mixture of colours (or colors !)
HTH
It started fine today and, after putting on the wings I launched into the
blue sky. Yeee-haaaaaaa ! [Actually I put the wings on first, then started
it, and then launched ... :-) ]
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hang in there, Duncan, I'm working on it! More news in the next Popular
Flying...
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I'd rather support a campaign that promotes the continuance of light
aviation in Europe!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> This came in via PFA HQ, if anyone is interested in signing up to the
> petition!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
> Dear Penny,
>
> More than 20,000 Britons are determined to see Concorde fly again and will
> be taking this bid to the highest level - the people and the Prime
Minister.
> The Save Concorde group has organised a rally in London to save our Great
> British aviation icon. Keen supporters and champions of the Concorde will
> gather in Whitehall on Friday, October 22, 2004, at 1pm and march to
Downing
> Street to hand a petition to Prime Minister Tony Blair. Should you wish to
> attend, please e-mail number10@save-concorde.co.uk
> <mailto:number10@save-concorde.co.uk> for further details.
>
> The full agenda of the Friday's events, the magnitude of public backing
and
> national affection for Concorde is evident on our website,
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk> - which we
invite
> you to view.
>
> We invite everyone who cares about the pioneer technological achievements
> that gave birth to the Anglo-French supersonic airliner of our era to
> register their support and help to return Concorde to the skies over
> Britain.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
> www.save-concorde.co.uk <http://www.save-concorde.co.uk>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
My Bendix/King Skymap II is built into the panel. It works perfectly (I
think) until the radio is switched on, then gives the message "No fix possible".
The 'Status' screen then shows no signal from the satellites.
Because the panel/electrics are the only parts of the plane I did not build
myself, I am not sure of the aerial position, but I believe it is adjacent to
or on top of the radio stack. People who know more about these things than
I say that shouldn't be a problem, but I am not so sure.
I was thinking of removing the panel (not my favourite way of spending the
day) and moving the aerial to another location but before I do that does anyone
have any other suggestions for the cause of the problem, (eg wiring fault)
or any other investigations that I should do while it is out?
Thanks in advance.
David Hillam
G-SHSH
Classic 912
30 hours
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Craig
I am sending my reply out to the whole list because it is of general
interest.
I call Dynon again today. This time regarding the engine monoter. I ask if
they would be able to read the RPM to 6K. The reply was that it will go to
7000. Good !!!
The temperature probe that are being specked are for the Lycoming and
Continental. But other probes are available. The "official" position is
that first they will not be advising for the Rotax engine. Rotax support
will be announced after the engine monitor gets released. Unofficially he
said that there is no design reason that it will not work on the Rotax.
Good !!!!
I can see a real good panel with one Dynon in front of each seat of the
airplane. Then switch the displays back and forth depending on who is PIC.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
>I've been attempting to lay out my panel now while waiting for the FWF kit
>to come >available again. They should be shipping it again in the next few
>weeks so I can get >started on the engine install. So realistically it
>might be some time before I actually neet it >in. If I was sure about it I
>would just plan for the 3" hole and go on.
>
>craig
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
There will be lots of us with a background of gliding.
the Europa, being much like a glider, demountable and streamlined and
willing to live in a trailer got me into Europa builders group as soon as I
saw one.
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill and Sue" <billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa glider pilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue"
<billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
> Ok I own up. You can put me down as another Europa-building hang glider
> pilot. I normally keep the two activities separate since both
> fraternities seem to think the other are crazy.
> I've flown hang gliders in the Owens Valley a few times, it has to be
> one of the great flying experiences. I once failed to get a C150 up to
> hang glider cruising height in the Owens valley- it would be interesting
> to see how a normally-aspirated Europa would fare. At the risk of
> starting a my-Europa-flies-higher-than-yours thread, what have those
> lucky enough to have theirs flying found to be the ceiling for the
> 912/912S versions?
>
> Do not Archive
>
>
> Bill
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi David,
We have the Skymap IIIC, and had our antenna located at the top of the
instrument panel, above the radio equipment. During the build phase I
tested the GPS to make sure the antenna was happy looking up thru the
top of the panel, and it was.
During the test phase the GPS operation was intermittent, with marginal
reception (weak signal strength). We moved the antenna, first just
sitting on top of the panel, where it still had problems (even with the
radio/xponder off). We finally relocated the GPS antenna into the
overhead console area, where it has been fine since. Note that it is
still inside the cockpit, looking up thru the top of the fuselage. For
some reason it does not like being located just above the contents of
the instrument panel (worked fine when there was nothing else in the panel).
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Davidghillam@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
>
>My Bendix/King Skymap II is built into the panel. It works perfectly (I
>think) until the radio is switched on, then gives the message "No fix possible".
>The 'Status' screen then shows no signal from the satellites.
>
>Because the panel/electrics are the only parts of the plane I did not build
>myself, I am not sure of the aerial position, but I believe it is adjacent to
>or on top of the radio stack. People who know more about these things than
>I say that shouldn't be a problem, but I am not so sure.
>
>I was thinking of removing the panel (not my favourite way of spending the
>day) and moving the aerial to another location but before I do that does anyone
> have any other suggestions for the cause of the problem, (eg wiring fault)
>or any other investigations that I should do while it is out?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>David Hillam
>G-SHSH
>Classic 912
>30 hours
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Concorde |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DJGeldermann" <djgeldermann@cox.net>
Paul,
Hey, I think the Concord is really cool, and I've seen it recently in a US
museum, but "dirty tricks?" Get real, sorry, its economics. Why pay $2,000
US for a 2 hour transatlantic trip, when you can get there for $600 in 5
hours? Are 3 hours worth almost $500 per hour of your average person's
time? (I'm guessing at exact amounts, but the scale is close.) I wish my
time was worth that, maybe someday.
Dan
A-139
----- Original Message -----
From: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville"
<percyville@percyville.plus.com>
>
> Concorde rides at Oshkosh! I think not!!
>
> If it wasn't for the paranoia of the American public, accentuated by the
> American government being firmly under the sponsorship of the American
> airline manufacturers of the day, Concorde would have been a viable
> project and flying in mass numbers today.
>
> Why is the American philosophy always to employ dirty tricks to ensure
> the perception of American supremacy, the most common being the
> withholding of IMF funding if we proceed with a project which surpasses
> US capability?
>
> But what really grieves me is to see the majority of retired Concorde's
> have ended up being given to American Museums!!
> Surely they should have been sold (just as Concordski was!) and the
> proceeds held to either keep an example airworthy or sponsoring a
> British Aviation research and development!!
>
> Dare I state TSR2... well most of it's here:
> http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/tsr2/history.html
> Doesn't mention how the design of TSR2 was initially stolen under the
> mask of a pre-sales visit, which hence formed the basis of the F111
> project.
> Pity they don't air the 'project cancelled' series on the US version of
> Discovery Wings.
>
> The ability of British Aviation R&D at the time: the Americans couldn't
> successfully make a copy of TSR2, likewise the Russians were unable to
> successfully clone Concorde and TSR2 was superior to Tornado 15 years
> before it flew...
>
> It was viewing TSR2 at the age of 11 on a school science trip to the
> museum at RAF Cosford that started my love affair with aviation....
> Looked so space age with the gold tinted canopy, photography doesn't do
> it justice!!
>
> Paul
> #558
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Beck
> To: europa-list@matronics.com; europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Concorde
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chris Beck" <n9zes@execpc.com>
>
> I think they should give rides in the Concorde at Oshkosh every year at
> Airventure. Ditch the Tri-Motor and fire up the afterburners!
>
> Chris
> A159 Mono
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Joe Proctor" <pjoe2@qwest.net>
Hay Glider Fans,
I don't know if this qualifies or not but as a boy I built a gull wing
glider with a six foot wing span with 1/16th " balsa stick construction that
took months to build, not unlike the current project at hand. The first time
I flew it was also the last time I flew it, I lost sight of it sailing out
over the San Mateo bridge back in the 50's and still going up. Watch for it
will you?
Joe A-272 {:-)
Milwaukie, Or
pjoe2@qwest.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa glider pilots
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
>
> There will be lots of us with a background of gliding.
> the Europa, being much like a glider, demountable and streamlined and
> willing to live in a trailer got me into Europa builders group as soon as
> I
> saw one.
>
> J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill and Sue" <billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa glider pilots
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill and Sue"
> <billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>>
>> Ok I own up. You can put me down as another Europa-building hang glider
>> pilot. I normally keep the two activities separate since both
>> fraternities seem to think the other are crazy.
>> I've flown hang gliders in the Owens Valley a few times, it has to be
>> one of the great flying experiences. I once failed to get a C150 up to
>> hang glider cruising height in the Owens valley- it would be interesting
>> to see how a normally-aspirated Europa would fare. At the risk of
>> starting a my-Europa-flies-higher-than-yours thread, what have those
>> lucky enough to have theirs flying found to be the ceiling for the
>> 912/912S versions?
>>
>> Do not Archive
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Europa glider pilots |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> On one occassion I got caught is some wave coming back and ended up at
15,000 feet and still climbing at 1000 fpm, with the throttle at idle
and the ASI in the yellow arc.
Terry
Did you manage to avoid hitting the associated rotor ? I have only ever
been in sheer wave in a glider a couple of times but I once flew (in a
C172) in the lee of a mountain (mole hill by your standards) that was
working and all I hit was rotor. At the time I didn't recognise what it
was but boy was it rough, the aircraft felt like it was a piece of rag
in the mouth of a frantic Alsatian dog.
BTW In view of Bob Jacobsen no longer supporting the Europa-USA website,
I have salvaged a copy of your Modifications article. An excellent
article thanks Terry and congratulations on the systematic way you went
about solving your problems and the way in which you have documented
same for the likes of people like me.
Do not archive.
Regards
Kingsley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi David,
I had exactly the same problem, but not quite so bad as yours. I was
advised to move the aerial well away from the avionics, so I mounted it
between the doors under the overhead panel and it solved the problem
immediately.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: <Davidghillam@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: GPS problem
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
>
> My Bendix/King Skymap II is built into the panel. It works perfectly (I
> think) until the radio is switched on, then gives the message "No fix
possible".
> The 'Status' screen then shows no signal from the satellites.
>
> Because the panel/electrics are the only parts of the plane I did not
build
> myself, I am not sure of the aerial position, but I believe it is
adjacent to
> or on top of the radio stack. People who know more about these things
than
> I say that shouldn't be a problem, but I am not so sure.
>
> I was thinking of removing the panel (not my favourite way of spending the
> day) and moving the aerial to another location but before I do that does
anyone
> have any other suggestions for the cause of the problem, (eg wiring
fault)
> or any other investigations that I should do while it is out?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> David Hillam
> G-SHSH
> Classic 912
> 30 hours
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I have just read eight emails that covered the Concorde, US tyranny, the
British government's heavy handed tactics dealing with their demonstrating people,
and the cost of flying from GB to the US. Not once was Europa mentioned!
Now where are the people that complained about a Europa builder gathering
information about an alternative engine for his Europa that his topic should not
be on this forum because it is a Europa forum? Hardly a word.........
Do Not Archive.
Mike Duane
A207 XS Conventional gear
Presently at CopperState Fly-In
Normally (?) in Redding, California
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Wondering if anyone out there who's installed the LTS fuel sender (mod 60)
has any comments on placement. The mod says to put it in the port headrest
storage area but it seems I've seen photos of some the were installed
outside that area a couple of inches inboard from there. It'd be nice to
have it out of the way in the headrest but that looks like it'd block using
it for storage, though it would hide the 'hump' that'll be caused by the
sender.
Also, I can't find anything in A/S about the nut ring or the NAS1473-A3
sealed anchor nuts mentioned on Page 4 of the mod instructions. Since I
didn't get the kit from Europa, it didn't come with all of the necessary
bits and pieces for a Europa I guess. It also mentions a 'alloy split ring'
on page 3 but I haven't a clue what that's all about.
Anyway, in the dark as usual so if someone's gone before me on this one and
can point me to a photo or two, it'd be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Dan
A144 - N914RB
Tucson, AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Oh yeah, should have mentioned that the CM is installed already, so that'll
figure into the equation.
Thanks,
Dan
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