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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Ignition problem (Jim Brown)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Ignition problem (Steve Hagar)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Ignition problem (Bob Jacobsen)
4. 11:17 AM - Firewall Forward-less List Addenda (Fred R. Klein)
5. 04:38 PM - Europa in Todays pilot (percyville)
6. 04:41 PM - (chris davis)
7. 04:49 PM - Re: Ignition problem, (s.vestuti)
8. 05:01 PM - tail kit for sale (chris davis)
9. 11:07 PM - Coolant (Gerry Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Dave
The spark plug connectors simply unscrew from the plug wire. On My 914 the
spark plug wires have a stranded wire in the center, so if you are going to use
the same plug wire, just cut off about 1/8 th or a quarter inch then reinstall
the plug boot.
Jim Brown
N398JB
David DeFord wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>
> On my way to the Copperstate fly-in on Friday, I stopped in Bishop to pick
> up Kevin Klinefelter. We heard a loud, irregular popping noise in our
> headphones while taxiing to the runway, and the runup showed one rather
> rough mag. We checked the plugs and wires, finding no obvious problem with
> the wires, but the four plugs in the front cylinders were all very black,
> though they had only a few hours on them. (The rear plugs were all fine.)
> All plugs were replaced, and everything seemed smooth, including a standard
> runup. (During the troubleshooting, the engine had gone from very hot to
> very cool, with the cowls removed.) The popping noise began again on
> takeoff, so we returned to Bishop, and I dropped off Kevin. With poor
> weather in the forecast for the next day, I headed for home (180nm across
> the 13000-foot peaks of the Sierra). After a couple of episodes of very
> loud popping during the climb, everything quieted down again, so I continued
> on up to 15500 feet (912S/Airmaster power), crossed the mountains, and made
> it home without further incident.
>
> There are four ignition coils on the 912/914 engines, with each coil firing
> two cylinders (one live, one with valves open) at once. I measured the
> resistance between the pair of plug wires from each coil, and found 17K
> between the top plugs, and open circuits between the bottom plug pairs. The
> suspect coil (based on the rough mag and the black plugs in the front
> cylinders) is the forward coil on the port side, which fires the bottom
> front plugs. It is nearly impossible to see anything in the tangle of wires
> and hoses in this area, so I tried to remove the coil. After much struggle,
> I got most of the way to the coil, but determined that it would be necessary
> to either remove the engine from the ring mount, or remove the starboard
> side intake manifold to get the coil out. Access to many parts of the
> engine is difficult, but this is ridiculous.
>
> Each plug wire is sheathed in a rubber sleeve, which covers the "tower"
> where the wire enters the spark coil. Two of these sleeves are broken at
> the coil end. Does anyone know how to remove the spark plug connectors from
> the wires, or the wires from the coils? At least one of these must be
> necessary, in order to get the wires through the sleeves, and also through
> various other sleeves and holes. I suspect that the connectors may unscrew,
> but I'd hate to damage one by trying the wrong thing. The coils come with
> wires attached (at $280 each), but the wires and sleeves are also listed as
> separate parts. It seems likely that my problem is a wire that is sparking
> to the engine, or possibly sparking across a break in the coductor, but I
> can't figure out how to remove them for further testing or replacement.
>
> If anyone has experience troubleshooting or repairing the Rotax ignition
> coil assemblies, I'd certainly appreciate any advice.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD
>
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| Subject: | Ignition problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Dave:
I have had problems like that on motorcycles and the NGK plug connectors
screwed off of the end of the wire. There was a wood screw looking affair
that bored into the center conductor of the lead. Be advised thats for
motorcycles, no guarantees for airplanes.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: David DeFord <davedeford@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/10/2004 9:28:27 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Ignition problem
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>
> On my way to the Copperstate fly-in on Friday, I stopped in Bishop to pick
> up Kevin Klinefelter. We heard a loud, irregular popping noise in our
> headphones while taxiing to the runway, and the runup showed one rather
> rough mag. We checked the plugs and wires, finding no obvious problem
with
> the wires, but the four plugs in the front cylinders were all very black,
> though they had only a few hours on them. (The rear plugs were all fine.)
> All plugs were replaced, and everything seemed smooth, including a
standard
> runup. (During the troubleshooting, the engine had gone from very hot to
> very cool, with the cowls removed.) The popping noise began again on
> takeoff, so we returned to Bishop, and I dropped off Kevin. With poor
> weather in the forecast for the next day, I headed for home (180nm across
> the 13000-foot peaks of the Sierra). After a couple of episodes of very
> loud popping during the climb, everything quieted down again, so I
continued
> on up to 15500 feet (912S/Airmaster power), crossed the mountains, and
made
> it home without further incident.
>
> There are four ignition coils on the 912/914 engines, with each coil
firing
> two cylinders (one live, one with valves open) at once. I measured the
> resistance between the pair of plug wires from each coil, and found 17K
> between the top plugs, and open circuits between the bottom plug pairs.
The
> suspect coil (based on the rough mag and the black plugs in the front
> cylinders) is the forward coil on the port side, which fires the bottom
> front plugs. It is nearly impossible to see anything in the tangle of
wires
> and hoses in this area, so I tried to remove the coil. After much
struggle,
> I got most of the way to the coil, but determined that it would be
necessary
> to either remove the engine from the ring mount, or remove the starboard
> side intake manifold to get the coil out. Access to many parts of the
> engine is difficult, but this is ridiculous.
>
> Each plug wire is sheathed in a rubber sleeve, which covers the "tower"
> where the wire enters the spark coil. Two of these sleeves are broken at
> the coil end. Does anyone know how to remove the spark plug connectors
from
> the wires, or the wires from the coils? At least one of these must be
> necessary, in order to get the wires through the sleeves, and also through
> various other sleeves and holes. I suspect that the connectors may
unscrew,
> but I'd hate to damage one by trying the wrong thing. The coils come with
> wires attached (at $280 each), but the wires and sleeves are also listed
as
> separate parts. It seems likely that my problem is a wire that is
sparking
> to the engine, or possibly sparking across a break in the coductor, but I
> can't figure out how to remove them for further testing or replacement.
>
> If anyone has experience troubleshooting or repairing the Rotax ignition
> coil assemblies, I'd certainly appreciate any advice.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD
>
>
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| Subject: | Ignition problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Dave,
I had the same problem a few times with my 912S. What happened to mine was
a rite coming from the ignition module and going into the plug had broken.
It was right near the connector and in a tightly kinked area.
The pressure on the wire kept the broken ends pushed together so the problem
was intermittent - showed up as a very rough (very very rough) mag drop -
cutting out.
I found the problem after removing the ignition module. I solddered the
wire and all was well. It shoed again a few months later and the wire had
broken again closed to the plug so I removed the wire from the plug and
bypassed it with a butt connector - problem solved.
Those Ducati modules use some cheap wire, but the real problem is the way
they route it with very tight bends - my failures were also at the bends.
It was very difficult to trace - never could find it with a meter, because
of the broken wire being pushed together.
Thanks
Bob Jacobsen
N201WH
>From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Ignition problem
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:28:08 -0700
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>
>On my way to the Copperstate fly-in on Friday, I stopped in Bishop to pick
>up Kevin Klinefelter. We heard a loud, irregular popping noise in our
>headphones while taxiing to the runway, and the runup showed one rather
>rough mag. We checked the plugs and wires, finding no obvious problem with
>the wires, but the four plugs in the front cylinders were all very black,
>though they had only a few hours on them. (The rear plugs were all fine.)
>All plugs were replaced, and everything seemed smooth, including a standard
>runup. (During the troubleshooting, the engine had gone from very hot to
>very cool, with the cowls removed.) The popping noise began again on
>takeoff, so we returned to Bishop, and I dropped off Kevin. With poor
>weather in the forecast for the next day, I headed for home (180nm across
>the 13000-foot peaks of the Sierra). After a couple of episodes of very
>loud popping during the climb, everything quieted down again, so I
>continued
>on up to 15500 feet (912S/Airmaster power), crossed the mountains, and made
>it home without further incident.
>
>There are four ignition coils on the 912/914 engines, with each coil firing
>two cylinders (one live, one with valves open) at once. I measured the
>resistance between the pair of plug wires from each coil, and found 17K
>between the top plugs, and open circuits between the bottom plug pairs.
>The
>suspect coil (based on the rough mag and the black plugs in the front
>cylinders) is the forward coil on the port side, which fires the bottom
>front plugs. It is nearly impossible to see anything in the tangle of
>wires
>and hoses in this area, so I tried to remove the coil. After much
>struggle,
>I got most of the way to the coil, but determined that it would be
>necessary
>to either remove the engine from the ring mount, or remove the starboard
>side intake manifold to get the coil out. Access to many parts of the
>engine is difficult, but this is ridiculous.
>
>Each plug wire is sheathed in a rubber sleeve, which covers the "tower"
>where the wire enters the spark coil. Two of these sleeves are broken at
>the coil end. Does anyone know how to remove the spark plug connectors
>from
>the wires, or the wires from the coils? At least one of these must be
>necessary, in order to get the wires through the sleeves, and also through
>various other sleeves and holes. I suspect that the connectors may
>unscrew,
>but I'd hate to damage one by trying the wrong thing. The coils come with
>wires attached (at $280 each), but the wires and sleeves are also listed as
>separate parts. It seems likely that my problem is a wire that is sparking
>to the engine, or possibly sparking across a break in the coductor, but I
>can't figure out how to remove them for further testing or replacement.
>
>If anyone has experience troubleshooting or repairing the Rotax ignition
>coil assemblies, I'd certainly appreciate any advice.
>
>Dave DeFord
>N135TD
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward-less List Addenda |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
All, or at least to those interested in "the firewall forward-less,
Since posting the list on Oct. 1, I have received the following:
ADDITIONS TO LIST OF EUROPA BUILDERS
LACKING
FIREWALL FORWARD KIT
after October 1, 2004
Dr. Andrew Sarangan
A-178 (mono).
About 20% A-178 (mono).
About 20%complete
asarangan@yahoo.com
Alan Burrill
Kit 0303 Mono Wings with XS Fuselage
Top about to go on.
Reading UK
aopd37@dsl.pipex.com
Graham Pocock
Kit 535 XS Tri-G
Wings & tail done. C Mod ready to go in.
I'll probably fit a 912S, fwf reqd!
Eastbourne E.SX.
graham@pocock56.fsnet.co.uk
Barry Friedlander
A134 XS - ,tri-gear
finishing wing trailing edges,
starting on the fuel system &
preparing to install the cm
2925 Carriage Hills Drive,
Boulder, CO, 80302-9481,
bearandliz@boulderco.com
Ralph K. Hallett III
A###, Mono, motorglider
ready for fwf and electrical
8719 Stonefly Ct Reno, NV 89523
n100rh@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Europa in Todays pilot |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "percyville" <percyville@percyville.plus.com>
Very shocking photo in November's Today's Pilot(page 7), A sparkling
G-BXUM! Dave, I'm sure you'll catch the vandals whom cleaned and
polished it soon!
Nothing new, the text is basically a re-write of the initial Europa2004
official announcement.
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1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
for sale ; europa tail
kit skinned not filled or finished all hard ware I paid 7500 sold my wings
.yours for 3500 OBO chris davis > P.S. talk about fast build
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition problem, |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
hello,
not sure if this is any use to you , but i had an intermitent missfire
on a rotax 462 two stroke ,
i eventualy traced the fault to an open ciruit spark plug cap - a new one was ordered
from rotax which simply
screwed on .
steve
# 573
working on the inst panel , wiring , doors & filling.
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| Subject: | tail kit for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Sold my wings , tail kit for sale, I paid 7500' you pay 3500 skinned with all
hard ware . Talk about fast build!!! ChrisDavis p.s. you pay shipping and
crating
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0.00 ORDER_NOW BODY": europa-list@matronics.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
I=B9ve just downloaded a Rotax Bulletin that instructs the Coolant is changed
to Evans NPG+.
Is my understanding correct?
If this is the case then http://www.evanscooling.com is the Supplier.
In Europe it seems a Company called Gearfox can supply from UK or Italy.
http://www.gearfox.co.uk/Evans.html
I=B9m just adding Lubricants and coolants for the first time. It seems another
change of direction for Rotax as I was about to purchase Glycol and make up
a 50/50 mix with water. Anyway. The Evans NPG+ looks good.
Will find out price when I order today. US Price is around $20.00 per gallon
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder.
PSS AoA Fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
Mobile: +44 7808 402404
WebFax: +44 870 7059985
gnholland@onetel.com
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