---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/12/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:16 AM - Re: Aircraft jack (Alan Burrows) 2. 02:36 AM - Re: Antenna Question (Alan Burrows) 3. 04:52 AM - Fuel pressure sender (Johnsen, Svein K.) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: Fuel pressure sender (Carl Pattinson) 5. 07:46 AM - Re: Coolant (Fergus Kyle) 6. 09:48 AM - NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance (Tim Butterworth) 7. 10:55 AM - NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance (Fred R. Klein) 8. 11:02 AM - Re: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance (Fred Fillinger) 9. 12:43 PM - Re: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance (Tony Krzyzewski) 10. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel pressure sender (SPurpura@aol.com) 11. 05:19 PM - Re: Fuel pressure sender (Paul McAllister) 12. 10:18 PM - SV: Fuel pressure sender (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:55 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aircraft jack --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Me please...... alan@kestrel-insurance.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft jack --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" David, Me, me, me, oh, me! Always keen to appreciate the creative arts of fellow [suckers] builders........... Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: Aircraft jack | --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" | | Some weeks ago I promised to e-mail to those who contacted me off | forum photo's of my aircraft jack. | | As I am now doing a 50 hr check, I now have these photo's available; | can those to whom I promised them please remind me who it is that is waiting/ | | My apologies for the delay - too much flying, etc, etc. | | David | G-BZAM 273 hrs | | Do not archive. | | | | | | | == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:21 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Antenna Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" I too have the SL30 and find it a great piece of kit. The only thing you need to be aware of is that it needs calibrating to the VOR/GS receiver ( I forgot and spent months scratching my head as to why it didn't work properly). It's a bit fiddly as it needs doing throughout the whole 360 degrees, which makes it work very accurately when completed so its worth the effort. I can pick up my local VOR from 70 miles away at 3500ft...! As for the antenna I simply use the standard " V" mounted in the rear of the aircraft as the unit doesn't need anything fancy as it sees straight through the composite fuselage nav and comm signals work perfectly. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL PARKIN Subject: Re: Europa-List: Antenna Question --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" --> Steve, I have the SL30 and run it from the copper tape antenna in the rudder stern post (Comm) and a copper tape antenna built into the right wing (Nav) - the ILS localiser and Glideslope works a treat - no splitters or extra boxes required. regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveD" Subject: Europa-List: Antenna Question > --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" > > You'll have to forgive my ignorance but I know nothing about antennas. > I'm > going to install a Garmin (UPS) Sl-30 nav-com. I want to use the localizer > and glide slope features. I've installed a Bob Archer Nav antenna (see > photo). Do I need another antenna? I found this on the web: > "The UPSAT SL30 uses regular VHF input and takes the glideslope signal > from that input inside their box, thus no splitter is required." > > Thanks, > Steved. > > ---------------- > This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following > link: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/viewtopic.php?p=2971#2971 > > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ > > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender From: "Johnsen, Svein K." --> Europa-List message posted by: "Johnsen, Svein K." I have the Grand Rapids Technologies Super EIS, with the LPS-02 fuel pressure sender (912S engine). I am not too familiar with these things, but to me it appears as if the sender is designed to be screwed into a block of some sort, or into the body of something to measure the pressure inside that "something". Anyone with the same pressure sender: - How did you connect it to the fuel system? Branching off from the hose between the mechanical pump and the carbs is obvious, but what type of connection did you use on the sender? - Where did you install the sender, and what kind of fixture did you use? Regards, Svein A225 - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:02 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" What you have sounds like a standard VDO sender (very similar to the oil pressure sender at the front of the engine). You will need to find a female coupling that will attach to a pipe connection - so that you can slide and secure the standard fuel hose over it . Best place to find is a hydraulic & hose supplier alternately I believe the necessary parts can be found in the Spruce and Speciality catalog. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnsen, Svein K." Subject: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Johnsen, Svein K." > > I have the Grand Rapids Technologies Super EIS, with the LPS-02 fuel pressure sender (912S engine). I am not too familiar with these things, but to me it appears as if the sender is designed to be screwed into a block of some sort, or into the body of something to measure the pressure inside that "something". > > Anyone with the same pressure sender: > > - How did you connect it to the fuel system? Branching off from the hose between the mechanical pump and the carbs is obvious, but what type of connection did you use on the sender? > - Where did you install the sender, and what kind of fixture did you use? > > Regards, > Svein > A225 - now in Norway > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:07 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coolant --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: Coolant | --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland | | I=B9ve just downloaded a Rotax Bulletin that instructs the Coolant is changed | to Evans NPG+.| | Is my understanding correct?| | If this is the case then http://www.evanscooling.com is the Supplier.| | I=B9m just adding Lubricants and coolants for the first time. It seems another | change of direction for Rotax as I was about to purchase Glycol and make up | a 50/50 mix with water. Anyway. The Evans NPG+ looks good.| | Will find out price when I order today. US Price is around $20.00 per gallon| | Regards Gerry Gerry, Looks that way to me. Wonderful how a short sharp description can turn into a romp through twenty pages........... The emergency solution appears to be pure propylene glycol antifreeze but to change to Evans when back at base. Ferg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance From: "Tim Butterworth" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" Hi, I have just bought G-CHEB, a Subaru powered tri-gear. The plane is fantastic (though not a concourse winner, but that's not why I bought it!). Even after just 5 or 6 hours flying I love it. As is the want with PFA aircraft I have a list of 'jobs' and one on the list was to get cleared for MOGAS. As there was nothing in the log book to indicate it had been cleared, I have contacted PFA - to find that non of the Subaru powered aircraft have ever been cleared and therefore it can't be cleared. Hmmm .... apparently I need to gather information from NSI and evidence of these engines running on MOGAS and technical data to support the clearance. I guess I can go down the path of finding the stuff I need, but am I the first here to do this? What of any other Subaru users perhaps in the States? Do you have US clearance information for MOGAS? Is this going to be so painful that I just stick to AVGAS!?!?!? Any help/guidance much appreciated .... Tim Butterworth ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" > > > Hi, > > I have just bought G-CHEB, a Subaru powered tri-gear. > Hmmm .... apparently I need to gather information from NSI and evidence of > these engines running on MOGAS and technical data to support the clearance. I > guess I can go down the path of finding the stuff I need, but am I the first > here to do this? What of any other Subaru users perhaps in the States? Do you > have US clearance information for MOGAS? Tim, I forward the following info from Glenn Crowder gcrowder2@hotmail.com vis a vis Subarus'; Glenn is not generally on-list, but you might consider contacting him directly. >> From: "Fred R. Klein" >> To: >> Subject: Europa w/ Subaru >> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:09:16 -0800 >> >> Hi Glen, >> >> I'm a Europa builder w/o FWF and am curious as to the status of your >> installation and your degree of satisfaction. >> >> Where are you located? >> >> Fred >> A194 > Hey Fred! > I'm based at Erie Tri County 48V just north of Denver, Colorado. I have > a Classic monowheel > that was the first Europa completed in the US. The original builder flew it > to Oshkosh in 1996 from > Atlanta. He had installed one of the very first NSI Sube conversions and > had cooling problems and low performance. He lost the NSI gearbox on the > way home from Osh but was able to dead stick it > in to an airport with no damage. He did not fly the plane after that and I > bought it in 2000. > I bought the plane and flew it in Denver for a while but performance and > cooling were not good > enough for me. Top speed was about 130 mph and best climb was about 800 fpm > solo, 500 with > a passenger. I tried some different cooling configurations but I wasn't > totally happy with it until > this summer when I finally decided to do the cooling right (I still have to > repaint the cowling after > the final duct work). At the same time I sent the engine to Ram Performance > Subaru in Clinton Ohio for a power upgrade. They have a nice website at > Ramengines.com. Before the upgrade, power was about 90 hp, now dynos at 128. > I also scrapped the NSI redrive and the NSI CAP 140 prop and went to a > Marcotte redrive and a Catto fixed pitch 3 bladed prop. I am now very happy > with the performance. Top speed is now a solid 175 mph GPS, 75% power at > 5000 rpm gives 150-155 mph. Climb rate solo is 1100 fpm (Field elev is 5190 > ft) and 800 fpm with a 200 lb passenger. I am 210 lbs. Aircraft weight is > 910 lbs empty. Economy is very good as well. WOT is 6.2 gph, 75% power is > 5.2, economy cruise at 4000 rpm is 110 mph and 2.5 gph. Slow cruise at 3500 > rpm is 100 mph and 2.0 gph! > I had to make my own motor mount and exhaust system but it was fun and I > learned a lot. > Also had to redo the cowling a couple of times until I got the cooling > right. I am very happy with > the plane at this point but I still plan to add a MPFI system (the one Ram > sells) and a set of > roller rockers as well as do a fairing around the monowheel. I think the > plane can go 10-20 mph > faster yet with these mods. > Hows your project going? I hope you didn't lose a bundle to the Europa > bust! > I would recommend staying with the Rotax to get in the air the soonest, but > I think the Sube > has the most performance potential. Ron Carr at Ram has a new version with > the MPFI fuel > injection and direct fire ignition that he is getting 160 hp on his dyno. I > really feel that is an > honest figure and am considering upgrading to this engine or at least the > injection! > I am happy to answer any other questions, also I have dozens of other > photos I could > send if you get interested! John Lawton in Tennessee is considering the > Sube as well for his > XS tri gear. > > Glenn Crowder ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:16 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Butterworth" > As is the want with PFA aircraft I have a list of 'jobs' and one on the list was > to get cleared for MOGAS. > ... > Do you have US clearance information for MOGAS? For U.S. amateur-builts, you can use backyard corn liquor w/o FAA approval if it'll work. Though maybe not too helpful, we in U.S. might wonder how the PFA would be a bar to using mogas. FAA requires, for production aircraft, a Supplemental Type Certificate to use mogas, and most users have it, but I know many who don't believe in paying big $$ for a mere piece of paper and freely use the stuff. Is the PFA more to be feared than gov't enforcement here - which can be rather heavy-handed if caught? :-) Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: NSI/Subaru MOGAS Clearance From: "Tony Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> As is the want with PFA aircraft I have a list of 'jobs' and one on the list was to get cleared for MOGAS. As there was nothing in the log book to indicate it had been cleared, I have contacted PFA - to find that non of the Subaru powered aircraft have ever been cleared and therefore it can't be cleared. Don't the PFA believe that the Subaru engine is capable of operating on Mogas? Perhaps they should go and stand by the M1 and count the Sub's as they go past. Tony ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:42 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com put a tee connection in the line from the pump to the regulator Sam N77EU ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:04 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Svein, I have a 914 so this might not be relevant for a 912S. I purchased another banjo fitting and a longer banjo bolt from Lockwood. I put the new fitting next to the existing fitting on the pressure regulator and ran a rubber hose to the pressure sensor which I mounted on the firewall. I used a UMA pressure sensor which is a differential sensor. The return side is connected to the airbox. Paul - 120 hours and still grinning http://europa363.versadev.com/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:30 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Many thanks to Carl, Sam and Paul for quick replies. I will go looking for a suitable transition piece from branched off fuel hose to the threaded pressure sender, and somehow mount this on the firewall below the point where I branch off from the fuel hose, so there is no chance of vapo(u)r building up over time in front of the sender. There are two distinct differences between the 912S and 914 installations in this respect, as far as I understand: (1)912S does not have a pressure regulator just before the carbs as on 914 (it is probably incorporated in the 912S's mechanical pump?). (2) As the airbox on the 912S has (close to) ambient air pressure, while the 914's airbox of course has the overpressure from the turbocharger, it is on 912S adequate to measure only the actual pressure in the fuel line and not adjust this for the "counter-pressure" in the airbox, to arrive at what pressure the carb needle actually "feels". It is interesting to note that the Rotax installation manual does not specify a fuel pressure reading for 912S, and as far as the 914 only "recommends" it. The Rotax dealer for Scandinavia does not even have anything in particular to offer for 912S in this respect. What does PFA require in the UK for non-gravity fed fuel systems? In Norway it is actually required to have a fuel pressure gauge in such cases - apart from being a good thing to have, too. Regards, Svein -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]P vegne av Paul McAllister Sendt: 13. oktober 2004 02:18 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Re: Europa-List: Fuel pressure sender --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Svein, I have a 914 so this might not be relevant for a 912S. I purchased another banjo fitting and a longer banjo bolt from Lockwood. I put the new fitting next to the existing fitting on the pressure regulator and ran a rubber hose to the pressure sensor which I mounted on the firewall. I used a UMA pressure sensor which is a differential sensor. The return side is connected to the airbox. Paul - 120 hours and still grinning http://europa363.versadev.com/