Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:06 AM - Re: FW: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:11 AM - Re: Trimming Cranked Sticks (Davidghillam@aol.com)
3. 02:11 AM - Trimming Cranked Sticks (G-IANI)
4. 03:49 AM - Scuff sanding (Graham Singleton)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Trimming Cranked Sticks (Paul McAllister)
6. 06:36 AM - Hose clamp EGT probes (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: Scuff sanding (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: Cabin Heater (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 07:59 AM - Re: Cabin Heater (Rob Housman)
10. 08:59 AM - Re: Cabin Heater (MICHAEL PARKIN)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: Cabin Heater (RMRRick@aol.com)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: Scuff sanding (Duncan McFadyean)
13. 03:15 PM - Re: Cabin Heater (Paul McAllister)
14. 10:37 PM - Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Kingsley Hurst)
15. 10:55 PM - Re: Cabin Heater (William Mills)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | FW: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! WILLIAM
Your turn for a "Senior Moment " The attachment is the actual message
/invite which I received from the Fenland people.ie:- SATURDAY 16th
OCTOBER (Tomorrow)
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
I think you have skipped a month, Bob. Fenland is for November!
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: FW: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin
>
> Hi! How about this for a DoTH weekend fly in ?
> Not sure I can make it but will try since it's a free landing!
> Don't overfly the nearby village though.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
>
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KonTikiOne@aol.com [mailto:KonTikiOne@aol.com]
> To: KonTikiOne@aol.com
> Subject: Fenland Fly-in Bulletin
>
> General Bulletin to Members & all Uk Airfields
> Saturday 16 October Fenland Airfield's Annual Spectacular .. ( Now in
> its 3rd Year ! )
> The Geoff Worley Memorial .. Vans & Jabiru Fly-in
> With the weather on our side, and we're optimistic as always, we
expect
> a really busy day. Weather or Not !
> Remember.....Jab & Vans variants and ALL other types are welcome
> anyway....We'll be pleased to see you !
> We offer to ALL incoming pilots on the day................... Free
> Landing ............ Yes, waivered fees !
> A certificate and token of appreciation to the longest travelled
visitor
> in the Vans & Jab Classes .
> Good restaurant facility and very reasonably priced
> refreshments..................
> Fuel at good prices..cheaper still for members.....Both 100LL & Jet A1
> Quality Windsocks Herald our Two very good grass
> runways...........08/26 & 18/36 ....
> Whoever you are and wherever you travel from You'll be
> welcome.......................
> PILOTS Fenland AFIS & Radio 122.925 MHz Phone 01406 540330
(Tower)
> on the day should you need
> or Radio the Tower on your way in. Its a Fly-in ....Hope you can make
> the trip...Its the aviator that makes an event a
> success...................(About 150+ movements both previous years
)
> PLEASE CALL THE NUMBERS BELOW FOR ANY INFORMATION
> Peter Burkitt Fenland Aero Club
> Fen. Flymail & Fen. Flyer Edit.
> mailto: KonTikiOne@aol.com <javascript:void> )
> phone/fax .......... ....01234 357857
> Mobile.................... 07810 735253
> click: <http://www.fenlandairfield.co.uk/> FENLAND AIRFIELD EGCL
> click: aero-g-pix.co.uk <http://www.aero-g-pix.co.uk/>
>
>
==
==
==
==
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Trimming Cranked Sticks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
In a message dated 10/15/04 6:17:39 AM GMT Daylight Time,
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk writes:
. The range of movement required
isn't apparent until you have the wings fitted.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
And the range of space available isn't apparent until the instrument module
is fitted. I have a somewhat bulky wooden handgrip on my sticks and had to
trim the one on the passenger side down considerably to stop it contacting the
instrument module when full forward to port.
I also find the stick a bit of a stretch and, in the cruise, usually end up
holding it below the grip with wrist resting on left knee.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Renshaw
Subject: Europa-List: Trimming Cranked Sticks
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am fitting up my control boots and sticks, and notice that the length
appears really long, so I am wondering if others have cut them down at
all?? The base of my stick sits about an inch above my knee, so my
entire
hand is up in the air, even when sitting on 2 cushions totalling about
2-3"
of padding. All help appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Trimming Cranked Sticks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Tony
I had the same situation. I ended up cutting 1.5 inches of the sticks. I
cut both the top and bottom equally so as not to put the bend too near the
tufnol bottom bushes or make the top too short for the Mac grip I used. It
works well and eases the problem of the top of the stick hitting my
ventilator, the centre tunnel and/or the panel.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 14/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>My concern is my uncertainty as to what constitutes adequate "scuff sanding"
>in order to achieve required bonding.
> I note that because of the weave of the glass on the skins, a pattern
> developes with the
>high areas becoming whitish matte and the low areas remaining darker and
>somewhat glossy; my fear is that if I continue sanding so that the area
>becomes 100% "whitish matte", I will remove too much material and degrade
>the strength value of the existing glass skins.
>Fred
>A194
Fred
what I do is scuff with 60X first then go for a matt surface between the
fibers with Scotchbrite.
US Navy recommended this at a forum during Sun n Fun
Graham
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Trimming Cranked Sticks |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Tony,
I took 2" out of the middle of my control sticks. I made an internal bush
and reduxed the halves back together. I put some filler on the joint, and
with a coat of paint on top you can't tell.
Now that I have been flying the aircraft they seem to be the right length.
Paul - 120 hours and still grinning :-)
http://europa363.versadev.com/
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Hose clamp EGT probes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
All,
The hose clamp type probes that came with Grand Rapids EIS (for my 912S)
will have the probe tip very close to the pipe wall opposite to where they
enter the pipe. Ideally, a probe tip should be closer to the center, I
assume, but maybe the sensor here goes over more of the length of the probe
(have asked GR, but no reply yet).
Any experience with these EGTs that may be shared?
Any special consideration when fitting them, other than abt. 70 mm from
flange and maybe using a counter-sink bit to get a larger contact surface
between the pipe and the probe where it goes through?
Regards,
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Scuff sanding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Fred:
What you want to do is to scuff sand until all of the gloss is off the area
you are about to bond. The scratches that you make form a key that the epoxy
will flow into.
Do this job by hand. Electric sanders or hobby tools will remove too much
material too fast. I like to use a 60 grit paper to make quick work of scuff
sanding.
Tailwinds
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
The XS already has a duct with two radiators in it. Is there anyone flying
with a heater intake aft of the oil cooler on the XS? Does this provide some
real heat? Seems like CO would not be a problem if the air comes from this
duct.
I am thinking about an intake for two scat tubes, just aft of the oil
cooler, one for each footwell, to be controlled by eyeball vents on the
inside of the footwell. Simple and light. Comments on how well it might
work?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve and All
I originally had a cockpit heater taking hot air off a plenum over the top
of the muffler. At Oshkosh this past summer, Dave Anderson and I traded
stories about CO in the cockpit. Because of this discussion, I have disabled
this heater set-up. I now think it unwise to take any air from inside the
engine cowling in any way. Only intake air in tight fitting ducting will be
used.
I am planning to install a small radiator in a home-made fiberglass air duct
and run hot water through it. (Not a new idea) Parts have not been specked
as yet and help along this line would be appreciated.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> My newly acquired XS doesn't have a cabin heater. For those of you not
> flying in a non-tropical environment, what are us doing to provide heat
> for
> the cabin?
>
> Steve Crimm
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
---
---
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
That's exactly what I did (but I'm not yet flying). This duct is relatively
well sealed against CO intrusion but of course without actually flying I
can't be certain that his is a valid assumption. Not being interested in
doing the calculations I simply asked the factory and Neville, if I recall
correctly, replied that there was sufficient heat in the air behind the
coolers.
Contact me off-list if you would like details and pictures of my
installation, including fresh air ducted from the 914's turbo plenum.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
The XS already has a duct with two radiators in it. Is there anyone flying
with a heater intake aft of the oil cooler on the XS? Does this provide some
real heat? Seems like CO would not be a problem if the air comes from this
duct.
I am thinking about an intake for two scat tubes, just aft of the oil
cooler, one for each footwell, to be controlled by eyeball vents on the
inside of the footwell. Simple and light. Comments on how well it might
work?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve and All
I originally had a cockpit heater taking hot air off a plenum over the top
of the muffler. At Oshkosh this past summer, Dave Anderson and I traded
stories about CO in the cockpit. Because of this discussion, I have disabled
this heater set-up. I now think it unwise to take any air from inside the
engine cowling in any way. Only intake air in tight fitting ducting will be
used.
I am planning to install a small radiator in a home-made fiberglass air duct
and run hot water through it. (Not a new idea) Parts have not been specked
as yet and help along this line would be appreciated.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> My newly acquired XS doesn't have a cabin heater. For those of you not
> flying in a non-tropical environment, what are us doing to provide heat
> for
> the cabin?
>
> Steve Crimm
> A058
> N15JN
>
>
---
---
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Yes, that is how my heater works. I flight tested it and it seemed to work
quite well. At the moment it is blanked off, awaiting the manufacture of
some revised firewall valves. The PFA strikes again!!!!
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> The XS already has a duct with two radiators in it. Is there anyone flying
> with a heater intake aft of the oil cooler on the XS? Does this provide
> some
> real heat? Seems like CO would not be a problem if the air comes from this
> duct.
>
> I am thinking about an intake for two scat tubes, just aft of the oil
> cooler, one for each footwell, to be controlled by eyeball vents on the
> inside of the footwell. Simple and light. Comments on how well it might
> work?
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Shaw
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Steve and All
>
> I originally had a cockpit heater taking hot air off a plenum over the top
> of the muffler. At Oshkosh this past summer, Dave Anderson and I traded
> stories about CO in the cockpit. Because of this discussion, I have
> disabled
> this heater set-up. I now think it unwise to take any air from inside the
> engine cowling in any way. Only intake air in tight fitting ducting will
> be
> used.
>
> I am planning to install a small radiator in a home-made fiberglass air
> duct
> and run hot water through it. (Not a new idea) Parts have not been
> specked
> as yet and help along this line would be appreciated.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
>> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>>
>> My newly acquired XS doesn't have a cabin heater. For those of you not
>> flying in a non-tropical environment, what are us doing to provide heat
>> for
>> the cabin?
>>
>> Steve Crimm
>> A058
>> N15JN
>>
>>
>
>
> ---
>
> ---
>
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Sure does and slightly increases the oil temp too! Recommended.
Rick Morris
G-RIKS XS Tri
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Scuff sanding |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I find that a fine grit of abrasive (eg 120) works reasonably well, due
mostly to having thinner backing paper that reaches better into the weave
pattern. But I expect you've tried this already.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Scuff sanding
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
<fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> On the subject of "scuff sanding"...particularly in relation to
preparation
> for the 2" wide reinforcement tapes between the wing spar and skins...I've
> read thru the manual as well as the matronics search without finding any
> info which seemed relevant.
>
> My concern is my uncertainty as to what constitutes adequate "scuff
sanding"
> in order to achieve required bonding.
>
> As I sand the areas of the skins where the 2" reinf. tapes go, I note that
> because of the weave of the glass on the skins, a pattern developes with
the
> high areas becoming whitish matte and the low areas remaining darker and
> somewhat glossy; my fear is that if I continue sanding so that the area
> becomes 100% "whitish matte", I will remove too much material and degrade
> the strength value of the existing glass skins.
>
> I'd be grateful to learn whether or not a consensus has been reached on
this
> issue as well as any individual comments from "those who have gone before"
> me.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
My understanding from reading Dave Anderson's post a few months ago was that
he took his air from behind the oil / water heaters as decribed by a few
others in this posting and he got a significant amount of CO. Dave, if your
readig this can you chime in here.
Paul
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
All,
I have a plain vanilla 912 Engine.
I wish to incorporate OV protection and a Battery Contactor and some other
ideas of Bob Nuckolls so I have decided to adopt the Z-16 diagram in the
Aeroelectric Connection.
Notwithstanding this, I also want to include fused protection from each side
of the battery contactor to the main and endurance buses and also possibly
for the alternator output.
Without explaining why, I have decided I would like to protect these three
items with fuses (probably slow blow 25A? 30A?) and preferably a type with
lugs that are located on a stud on the fuse holder and retained with locking
nuts. Maybe I need ANL current limiters but I don't fully understand how
they work. Okay, I realise they obviously limit the current but I don't
understand what they require to go open circuit or if in fact they even do.
The 'connection' on one hand seems to use the terms 'cartridge fuses' and
'current limiters' interchangably and in other places seems to infer they
are different. Then somebody throws in the 'Fat' fuses and methinks, is
this just another name for the forgoing or something else again ? SO,
after going around and around in ever decreasing circles so many times now
that I have almost ended up my own you know where, I want somebody to please
tell me what I need and where I can get them.
Please take me by the hand, lead me to the place so that all I have to do is
bring the money . . . . . Oh, and tell me where I can see some pics too.
Unfortunatley, I don't live in a place where I can go and have a look around
and in a lot of cases, I seem to have trouble finding web sites that have
good pictures of their wares.
Finally, I am not opposed to Circuit Breakers but my criteria is that
whatever is used, it must be able to be firmly mounted, have good solid
connections for the wires and be suitable for the engine side of the
firewall. That's all I want ! Simple hey ?
Cheers all
Kingsley
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi All,
Has anyone tried sealing the joints in the exhaust manifold pipes to reduce
the amount of CO escaping into the engine bay? There is evidence that a
substantial amount of exhaust gas escapes from these joints.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My understanding from reading Dave Anderson's post a few months ago was
that
> he took his air from behind the oil / water heaters as decribed by a few
> others in this posting and he got a significant amount of CO. Dave, if
your
> readig this can you chime in here.
>
> Paul
>
>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|