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1. 02:42 AM - Re: Cabin Heater (Duncan McFadyean)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Paul McAllister)
3. 07:16 AM - Scuffing for grip (Fergus Kyle)
4. 07:16 AM - Turbo, heater et.al. (Dave Anderson)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: Turbo, heater et.al. (MICHAEL PARKIN)
6. 07:48 AM - Routing fuel lines thru the firewall (Fergus Kyle)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Cliff Shaw)
8. 01:15 PM - Re: Cabin Heater (William Mills)
9. 02:36 PM - Re: Cabin Heater (RMRRick@aol.com)
10. 04:05 PM - Re: Turbo, heater et.al. (Jim Brown)
11. 06:35 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Fred Fillinger)
12. 08:22 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (SteveD)
13. 08:36 PM - Thank you for your email (Dan Viet Newspaper)
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
William,
This is not a good idea unless you enjoy practicing your stainless welding
skills every weekend; the system will crack if denied the functioning of its
slip joints. Lubricating with copperslip often results in some partial
coking-up of the joint as the copper slip burns off. The smoke from the
burning copperslip also provides an indication of how much is getting into
the cockpit..
Shrinking down the female part of he slip joint may help if it is
particularly loose. However, the pipes aren't seamless or particularly
round, so a perfect joint is not easy to achieve.
Another job this winter?!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Has anyone tried sealing the joints in the exhaust manifold pipes to
reduce
> the amount of CO escaping into the engine bay? There is evidence that a
> substantial amount of exhaust gas escapes from these joints.
> Regards,
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My understanding from reading Dave Anderson's post a few months ago was
> that
> > he took his air from behind the oil / water heaters as decribed by a few
> > others in this posting and he got a significant amount of CO. Dave, if
> your
> > readig this can you chime in here.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Kingsley,
I used cartridge fuses but if I was to do it again I would make my own
fusible links. You can down load this off electric Bob's web site and the
parts can be purchased from B&C. If you wanted to purchase what you need
closer to home you will need to find a supplier for fiberglass sleeve, you
should already have everything else.
Paul
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| Subject: | Scuffing for grip |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
On the above subject, I just remembered someone advising me that to
scuff for max retention, Boeing instructed that the ideal test was whether
the scuffed surface would hold a lamina of water, rather than have it run
off or consolidate. It delays the application to wait for drying, but I
thought it might bear repeating?
Comments invited.
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Turbo, heater et.al. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
This might be good along with the discussion of the heater.
I installed my heater idea which was to pull heat from behind the radiators. I
used the same logic that Kevin did about the lack of CO - fresh air streaming
down that duct, etc. On the way to OSH, it was providing heat which took the edge
off the cold air up there at 17,500 feet. I have a cowl flap that can keep
my temps up and that helps with the heat. The big problem was CO. I have an electronic
CO detector and it indicated CO in the cockpit along with the thing
that changes color eventually. In-flight troubleshooting led to the heater. A
little duct tape and the CO problem was solved.
Taking a closer look at it, I most certainly have a leak in the area of my turbo
charger. I don't remember seeing the evidence of an exhaust leak there in the
early days of the engine, but now there is no doubt. I cannot find anything
in the way of a crack in the exhaust. There is staining all over the area of the
turbo charger. I have noticed that the flange I put on the duct to tap into
that warm air does not make a good seal and since the pressure on the cockpit
is lower than the cowl, that would allow the exhaust leak to make its way into
the heater duct and up into the cockpit. I can check this theory by making a
gasket of some sort and seal that area off. If it eliminates the CO with the
heater on (I got the CO with the heater on or off), that would support the theory.
That leaves the issue of the turbo. I have heard form others that they have the
staining on the engine mount on the turbo side of the engine. Is this a common
situation? I am considering pulling the turbo when the weather gets bad and
start to look into other things that will down the airplane - changing to the
new water-less coolant for example.
What have others found in this area. I am hoping that this solves the CO problem,
since the heater is a very simple mod that doesn't unlove the coolant and doesn't
add very much weight.
Thanks.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
260 hours TT
255 hours engine time (how many short wing airplanes can make this claim?)
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| Subject: | Re: Turbo, heater et.al. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
"In-flight troubleshooting led to the heater. A little duct tape and the CO
problem was solved."
Dave,
Could you be a little more specific on the position of the problem. Where
did you put the tape? Am I correct in assuming that the CO problem was
problem of the installation/turbo fault, rather than a fundamental problem
in the heater design.
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Routing fuel lines thru the firewall |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Simon,
I used steel 90deg bulkhead fittings [AN parts] for the return fuel
line, and propose the same for fuel delivery line. I hope the steel will be
more resistant over time under engine fire conditions..............
Ferg A064
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Kingsley
I ran across this information a while back.
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/docs/aircraftwiring.doc
I would recommend you read it and reconsider the "old fashion" wiring plan
you are considering. The Rotax 912 is so simple and straight foreword there
is no good reason to make it too complicated. The Europa wiring diagram is
very well thought out. Your are not building an airliner.
Just my advice, worth what you paid (at least that much) :)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
Flying -- Could not get close enough to Mt. St Helens to see much. TV had
much better pictures.
> I have a plain vanilla 912 Engine.
>
> I wish to incorporate OV protection and a Battery Contactor and some other
> ideas of Bob Nuckolls so I have decided to adopt the Z-16 diagram in the
> Aeroelectric Connection.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Thanks for the reply, Duncan.
I was thinking in terms of something simple like an RTV silicone fillet
round the joints.
Regards,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> William,
> This is not a good idea unless you enjoy practicing your stainless welding
> skills every weekend; the system will crack if denied the functioning of
its
> slip joints. Lubricating with copperslip often results in some partial
> coking-up of the joint as the copper slip burns off. The smoke from the
> burning copperslip also provides an indication of how much is getting into
> the cockpit..
>
> Shrinking down the female part of he slip joint may help if it is
> particularly loose. However, the pipes aren't seamless or particularly
> round, so a perfect joint is not easy to achieve.
> Another job this winter?!
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Has anyone tried sealing the joints in the exhaust manifold pipes to
> reduce
> > the amount of CO escaping into the engine bay? There is evidence that a
> > substantial amount of exhaust gas escapes from these joints.
> > Regards,
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin Heater
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > My understanding from reading Dave Anderson's post a few months ago
was
> > that
> > > he took his air from behind the oil / water heaters as decribed by a
few
> > > others in this posting and he got a significant amount of CO. Dave,
if
> > your
> > > readig this can you chime in here.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Hi
Looks 70% flyable on the 18 hr TAF. Shall I ring you tomorrow AM?
Regards
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Turbo, heater et.al. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Dave;
Just this past week I was doing some maintenance and took a hard look at the muffler
and turbo. There is no residue of exhaust gases in the area of the turbo
and the muffler. I suspect that you have a gasket or something that is leaking.
Also have you looked into the possibility that the tab in the tunnel, that is bent
down to supply cold air to the turbo housing, may be somehow leaking the CO
into the cockpit.. Maybe a reversal of air flow around the turbo?????????
JIM BROWN
Dave Anderson wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> This might be good along with the discussion of the heater.
>
> I installed my heater idea which was to pull heat from behind the radiators.
I used the same logic that Kevin did about the lack of CO - fresh air streaming
down that duct, etc. On the way to OSH, it was providing heat which took the
edge off the cold air up there at 17,500 feet. I have a cowl flap that can keep
my temps up and that helps with the heat. The big problem was CO. I have an
electronic CO detector and it indicated CO in the cockpit along with the thing
that changes color eventually. In-flight troubleshooting led to the heater.
A little duct tape and the CO problem was solved.
>
> Taking a closer look at it, I most certainly have a leak in the area of my turbo
charger. I don't remember seeing the evidence of an exhaust leak there in
the early days of the engine, but now there is no doubt. I cannot find anything
in the way of a crack in the exhaust. There is staining all over the area of
the turbo charger. I have noticed that the flange I put on the duct to tap into
that warm air does not make a good seal and since the pressure on the cockpit
is lower than the cowl, that would allow the exhaust leak to make its way into
the heater duct and up into the cockpit. I can check this theory by making
a gasket of some sort and seal that area off. If it eliminates the CO with the
heater on (I got the CO with the heater on or off), that would support the theory.
>
> That leaves the issue of the turbo. I have heard form others that they have the
staining on the engine mount on the turbo side of the engine. Is this a common
situation? I am considering pulling the turbo when the weather gets bad and
start to look into other things that will down the airplane - changing to the
new water-less coolant for example.
>
> What have others found in this area. I am hoping that this solves the CO problem,
since the heater is a very simple mod that doesn't unlove the coolant and
doesn't add very much weight.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
> 260 hours TT
> 255 hours engine time (how many short wing airplanes can make this claim?)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>
> I ran across this information a while back. I would recommend
> you read it and reconsider the "old fashion" wiring plan you
> are considering.
> http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/docs/aircraftwiring.doc
Not bad, but I suggest referring also to Bob Nuckolls' review of it.
It has some errors and bad advice, he says:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Aircraft_Wiring_For_Smart_People_Reviewed.pdf
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Then we can read the critique of the review: : )
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/discus/messages/2/806.html
Steved.
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