---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/18/04: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 AM - Re: Europa Mono-Wheel Trailer (Tim Weert) 2. 02:52 AM - Thank you for your email (Dan Viet Newspaper) 3. 04:54 AM - Re: Turbo and heater (Jim Brown) 4. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 (Roger Anderson) 5. 08:28 AM - Seat cushions (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: Seat cushions (KARL HEINDL) 7. 10:18 AM - for Tony Renshaw (David Corbett) 8. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 (Fred R. Klein) 9. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 (Duncan McFadyean) 10. 03:03 PM - Nextel Spray Suede (Peter Rees) 11. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 (Paul McAllister) 12. 07:44 PM - Where to buy a Floscan (Jan de Jong) 13. 07:45 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Kingsley Hurst) 14. 07:45 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Kingsley Hurst) 15. 09:58 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (MICHAEL PARKIN) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa Mono-Wheel Trailer From: "Tim Weert" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" Hi Steve, I discouverded that the following company made the monowheel and trygear Europa Trailers: M tools and trailers Outgang Road Pickering North Yorkshire Y018 7EL tel 01751 473 493 There are also other solutions, may be easier, cheaper and near-by.... Regards, Tim Weert. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:19 AM PST US From: "Dan Viet Newspaper" Subject: Europa-List: Thank you for your email --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Viet Newspaper" Thank you, We have received your email. It will be attended to as soon as we possibly can. Have a nice day! Cam on ban, Chung toi da nhan duoc email cua ban. Chung toi se hoi dap trong thoi gian som nhat. Chuc ban mot ngay vui ve. Tuan bao Dan Viet. (This is an auto reply message) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:49 AM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turbo and heater --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown Dave I took a piece of flat silicone rubber (the kind used on engine baffles) I then trimmed it to cover the retract slot. I then cut another piece 3/8 inch high ,and used instant glue and installed it down the length of the first piece. Looking at the end it looks like a "T". Simply lay it in the slot on take off, remove it in flight, and once gear is extended for landing, lay the strip back in the slot. Jim Brown N398JB Dave Anderson wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" > > Continuing the discussion of the turbo - I taped over the inlets to the cabin of the heater and that stopped the CO from getting in. > > I just went through a serious effort to seal up any pathway for cowl air to get into the heater system - holes in the duct, gaps between the oil lines and the baffle - even the little hole in the corner. I just taxi tested it with and without the heater on and both cases showed no CO in the cockpit. We have weather today, so I didn't fly. I'll be finding out if the heater now works OK. Having the exhaust leak around the turbo area helps to determine if the heater is isolated from cowl gasses. I knew I had that leak for a reason! > > Also one more thing - I get water splashing up through the slots in the center console while taxiing in wet weather. Has anyone out there experienced the same thing? Is there a simple solution to that. I have a few ideas, but..... > > Dave > A227 Mini U2 > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:36 AM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > I am disappointed with the design of the cooling duct on the XS. IMHO (in > other words my guess) the duct takes in about twice as much air as it needs > but doesn't duct it smoothly, neither is it properly sealed to keep CO etc > where it belongs. Not all the air coming in goes for cooling. > Look at the duct on a BanBi they don't overheat AFAIK. Inlet area is much > smaller, so is outlet. > The duct has to smoothly recover the pressure of the entering air, push it > through the radiators, and nowhere else, except the cabin for heating. then > accelerate it back to flying speed or better still, greater than flying > speed. I wish someone would refine the design a little. It would make the > airplane look even prettier. We should not be too hard on Ivan, he was > under pressure to generate some cash at the time. Quite a few folks jobs > depended on him not making too many bum decisions. Pity it was all wasted > when he was moved aside. (my view from some distance) > Graham > Graham > > John Scott at Cambridge shares your opinion and did say that he was working on the design of an XS cowling to incorporate a smaller air inlet specifically designed to optimise the thrust from the propeller. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:07 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Seat cushions --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all, I was wondering who folks are using for seat cushions? The upolterer John Hurst has been using contacted me about three months ago and said he'd send me fabric samples, but after several calls and three months of waiting I've received nothing from him. This leads me to believe the guy is less than reliable and if the samples come today I'd be very unlikely to use this guy. I know about Oregon Aero, but I'm trying to find someone that isn't quite so proud of their work. Thanks in advance for your input. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Rudder mounted, currently sanding fin flanges to get proper throw) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:39 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seat cushions --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" John, My advice would be to get it done locally. Look in the Yellow Pages under 'Fabrics' and 'Upholsterers' etc. Any upholsterer can sew up some removable cushion covers to your design. There is a wide range of materials available. Ideally, try and locate the supplier for Companies that customize and reupholster cars. Upholsterers also supply foam to any size and any type. I use that stuff that comes under different names, here they call it memory foam. I have just added another loose 3 inch cushion. It squashes down to nothing but it is very comfortable (I am 6 ' 2"), and gives excellent thigh support. Karl From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Seat cushions -- Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Greetings all, I was wondering who folks are using for seat cushions? The upolterer John Hurst has been using contacted me about three months ago and said he'd send me fabric samples, but after several calls and three months of waiting I've received nothing from him. This leads me to believe the guy is less than reliable and if the samples come today I'd be very unlikely to use this guy. I know about Oregon Aero, but I'm trying to find someone that isn't quite so proud of their work. Thanks in advance for your input. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Rudder mounted, currently sanding fin flanges to get proper throw) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:59 AM PST US From: "David Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: for Tony Renshaw --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" Tony, Could you send me your e-mail address off forum, please. David Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" on 10/17/04 3:39 PM, Graham Singleton at graham@gflight.f9.co.uk wrote: > I am disappointed with the design of the cooling duct on the XS. IMHO (in > other words my guess) the duct takes in about twice as much air as it needs > but doesn't duct it smoothly, neither is it properly sealed to keep CO etc > where it belongs. Not all the air coming in goes for cooling. > Look at the duct on a BanBi they don't overheat AFAIK. Inlet area is much > smaller, so is outlet. > The duct has to smoothly recover the pressure of the entering air, push it > through the radiators, and nowhere else, except the cabin for heating. then > accelerate it back to flying speed or better still, greater than flying > speed. I wish someone would refine the design a little. It would make the > airplane look even prettier. We should not be too hard on Ivan, he was > under pressure to generate some cash at the time. Quite a few folks jobs > depended on him not making too many bum decisions. Pity it was all wasted > when he was moved aside. (my view from some distance) > Graham Graham, I concur; I suspect you would be pleased w/ Alex Bowman's cowling for his CAM 125 installation which segues into a very slick monowheel fairing mod. Neil Varcoe at vortac.shaw.ca has production molds and some awesome in flight photos which I will forward to you; regrettably, I have yet to master the computer skills to post such photos on our Europa builder photo site. Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:06 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" My "XS" inlet has been modified to half the CSA of the original XS with dimension of 8" x 1 3/4". This is similar to the area of the Ban-bi. Seems to work OK (in fact it tends to overcool). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > > > > I am disappointed with the design of the cooling duct on the XS. IMHO (in > > other words my guess) the duct takes in about twice as much air as it > needs > > but doesn't duct it smoothly, neither is it properly sealed to keep CO etc > > where it belongs. Not all the air coming in goes for cooling. > > Look at the duct on a BanBi they don't overheat AFAIK. Inlet area is much > > smaller, so is outlet. > > The duct has to smoothly recover the pressure of the entering air, push it > > through the radiators, and nowhere else, except the cabin for heating. > then > > accelerate it back to flying speed or better still, greater than flying > > speed. I wish someone would refine the design a little. It would make the > > airplane look even prettier. We should not be too hard on Ivan, he was > > under pressure to generate some cash at the time. Quite a few folks jobs > > depended on him not making too many bum decisions. Pity it was all wasted > > when he was moved aside. (my view from some distance) > > Graham > > Graham > > > > > John Scott at Cambridge shares your opinion and did say that he was > working on the design of an XS cowling to incorporate a smaller air inlet > specifically designed to optimise the thrust from the propeller. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:42 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" Has anyone used the above product on their aeroplane - If so, is it easy stuff to use? The panel on our classic needs some re-work so I'm going to buy a set of blank panels from Europa and cut the holes where we want them. The instrument pod is finished in Nextel so, it would be nice to spray the new panel to match (as long as its reasonably straight forward). ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:00 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Duncan, Do you have any before and after speed numbers ? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/16/04 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > My "XS" inlet has been modified to half the CSA of the original XS with > dimension of 8" x 1 3/4". This is similar to the area of the Ban-bi. Seems > to work OK (in fact it tends to overcool). > > Duncan McF. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:06 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong (by way of Matt Dralle ) Subject: Europa-List: Where to buy a Floscan --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong (by way of Matt Dralle ) I am not there yet but I happened to come across the following that may be of interest to someone: FLOSCAN 264 SENSOR ONLY new number 201B-9 ALL other approved inboard & I/O engines rated from 50 to 350 hp. Also fits all Evinrude Ficht and Mercury Optimax outboard engines from 90 hp to 250 hp. Also recommended for all carbureted and EFI outboards rated below 150 hp. See Gas Models section for more details. 11964 Sale $128.92 at: http://www.brokenlegdave.com/Manufacture/FloScan/floscan_home.htm and for $125.00 at: http://www.scubasteve.biz/store/manufacturers/floscan/floscan.htm and less expensive still: FLOSCAN 231 SENSOR ONLY ALL carbureted and EFI outboard engines rated from 150 hp and above. 11963 Sale $99 at the same two places. According to http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/pdf/efis_%20one_installation_guide_216h.pdf the 201B is good to 28 gals/hr the 231 is good to 40 gals/hr According to floscan the 264 has integrated damping The 264 is probably better when reciprocating type pumps are involved The 231 may well be ok with the 914 fuel pumps. Jan de Jong #461, getting towards the end of the blue bits, looking somewhat too far ahead. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:44 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Paul McAllister wrote: > I used cartridge fuses but if I was to do it again I would make my own > fusible links. Paul, Could you tell me please what sort of cartridge fuses you used and the method of retainment and connection to wires. What do you see as the advantage with fusible links? Europa call out a 10 awg wire to the Main Bus which means a 14 awg F.L. would have to be used. This is much larger than what B&C or Bob Nuckolls seem to like ?? B&C do say on their website though to contact them if you wish to go bigger than a 20 awg F.L. I had gone cold on fusible links because e.g. in the case of a 16 awg feed, the current is limited to that of a 20 awg wire. It seems to me by using a fuse or CB, the full current carrying potential of the wire can be realised. Tell me if I'm wrong please. Regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:49 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Cliff, Apologies for being so long winded in replying. My comments embedded below. > I ran across this information a while back. > http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/docs/aircraftwiring.doc > I would recommend you read it and reconsider the "old fashion" wiring plan > you are considering. I have read this document and also seriously considered the Exp Bus quite some time back. I am not vehemently opposed to the idea but there were a few reasons I decided not to go that way not the least of which was that if it ever died for some reason, I would have to return it to the US and have nothing in the meantime. Not to mention the cost of sending it back. I therefore feel more comfortable doing it the 'old fashioned' way because if anything goes wrong, I will hopefully be able to fix it. > The Rotax 912 is so simple and straight foreword there > is no good reason to make it too complicated. The Europa wiring diagram is > very well thought out. True Cliff. My main concern with the Europa circuit diagram was that it had no battery contactor and in the event of the starter contactor remaining closed for any reason, there was no way to stop the propeller flying around until the battery was flat. I also learned of the recommended Europa Club mod for the Crowbar OV protection and when I read the Aeroelectric Connection, I found that Figure Z-16 was essentially the same as the Europa Circuit and included the battery contactor and OV module. Hence my decision to adopt it. Confession. To save confusion for anybody familiar with Z-16 in my original post, I said I wanted a fuse for the feed to the Endurance Bus. Truth is, I am not having an Endurance Bus and I want the fuse to feed the Main Bus. I am substituting a small Battery Bus in lieu of the Endurance Bus. The basic Z-16 circuit with my small modification is not rocket science mate. > Your are not building an airliner. Not so sure about this Cliff. With the amount of time I have spent on it now I'm starting to wonder ! > Just my advice, worth what you paid (at least that much) :) Yes Cliff, happy to say I can afford what I paid too ! Much appreciated. Now can somebody tell me what sort of fuse or CB to use please ? Hasn't anybody else used fuses in the main power distribution as per the Europa diagram ? Cheers Kingsley Mono Classic (Classic Mono?) 281 in Oz. PS Within 6 hours of posting my plea, I discovered an article by Bob Nuckolls that explained the difference between Current Limiters and Fat Fuses. Makes me feel better now I realise there must have been others confused too about these devices. http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/anl/anlvsjjs.html ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:47 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" > Now can somebody tell me what sort of fuse or CB to use please ? Hasn't > anybody else used fuses in the main power distribution as per the Europa > diagram ? I used the Maxifuse 1299(Part No 219-3564) with its' fuseholder (Part No 250-6285) both from RS Components. regards, Mike (G-JULZ)