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1. 04:05 AM - FW: TSA rules (Alan Burrows)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: FW: TSA rules (bryan allsop)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: FW: TSA rules (Jos Okhuijsen)
4. 07:38 AM - anodizing [was: Nextel] (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/21/04 (Graham Singleton)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: How do you know when a politician is lying? (J. R. Jones)
7. 12:13 PM - Re: Carb Balancing (Cliff Shaw)
8. 01:46 PM - Re: FW: TSA rules (Jim Puglise)
9. 04:52 PM - Re: FW: TSA rules (Michael Grass)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: FW: TSA rules (Paul McAllister)
11. 06:59 PM - Re: Finger brake lever length (Michael Grass)
12. 07:03 PM - TSA Rules (David Simenauer)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
I have just received this from a friend does anybody know anything about
it or have any more information?
Have you seen the new TSA rules regarding non-US citizen flight training
in the US?
Basically, if you want any flight training (other than it seems just a
BFR or a checkout) you have to register with the TSA and it'll take 60
days to approve you. Oh, and it costs around $400 usd in total to
complete the process. And the flight school has to register you (and
that will also mean you will probably need a J-1 visa, yet more cost).
Canada is looking like a better bet.
cheers.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Alan.
Twas in the Pilot mag this month. I think they were suggesting that a check
ride would require registering, even if you have a US license.
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> I have just received this from a friend does anybody know anything about
> it or have any more information?
>
> Have you seen the new TSA rules regarding non-US citizen flight training
> in the US?
>
> Basically, if you want any flight training (other than it seems just a
> BFR or a checkout) you have to register with the TSA and it'll take 60
> days to approve you. Oh, and it costs around $400 usd in total to
> complete the process. And the flight school has to register you (and
> that will also mean you will probably need a J-1 visa, yet more cost).
>
> Canada is looking like a better bet.
>
> cheers.
>
> Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Alan,
Strange, i had a quick look at
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1214.xml
Can't find anything about training requirements. It's complicated enough
as it is.
For me it worked last year like this, and in November this year will work
again:
Find a flight training facility with a US Immigration and Naturalization
Service (INS) permit. That school will issue a form to get a M 1 training
visum. The school usually asks for a deposit, to cover the costs if you
change your mind or so. It was 500 $ in my case. This is refundable if you
really turn up.
Then you get yourself another 2 or 3 forms, fill them in, easy job if you
remember all your previous jobs, parents, sisters and brothers and some
other contact details. Pay the embassy in advance, send these forms, your
passport, passport photo US style, and a statement from the bank that you
really are the legal owner of enough money to cover the costs of your
training plans, and the form from the school and wait for an interview
invitation from the embassy. If you pass the interview and are willing to
get your fingerprints taken, you will be issued with a visum in your
passport. Arrive before! the training is supposed to start in the States,
with all the paperwork. Be ready to explain patiently again why you are
wanting to learn to fly. Loosing your temper will get you run to the
floor, handcuffed and treated like the criminal that you probably are.
Happened to a French student. That's about it, and makes it now impossible
for terrorists to get flying lessons, at least in the States. That's why
it is now so much safer over there. Somebody must have forgotten that
assault rifles are freely available, but hey, pilots are far more
dangerous!
Anyhow, i got my CAA PPL(A) there in a month's time, and will be doing
Night and IMC this year. Canada is probably easier, but the Florida
weather is usually a bit more cooperative i guess. I liked the training,
and i am sure it was effective beyond the purpose of getting past those
exams.
If you want more details, don't hesitate to ask, but off forum please,
Jos Okhuijsen
josok@ukolo.fi
do not archive
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| Subject: | anodizing [was: Nextel] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| > How do you know when a politician is lying ?
| > Regards Kingsley
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gillian and Charlie Laverty"
| When his mouth is open
Not necessarily...... He could be sucking GST/VAT out of the coin slot.
Ferg
PS: Ours is 15%, we have TWO taxing gubberments to spoonfeed. 7 Fed, 8 Prov.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/21/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 21/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>How do you know when a politician is lying ?
>
>Regards
>Kingsley
When his lips are moving!
G
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| Subject: | Re: How do you know when a politician is lying? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
A newspaper reporter had spent many months following a certain, well known
Prime Minister around the world, listening to every word he uttered.
A colleague was intrigued and asked how to tell when the said politician was
telling the truth.
"If he looks you straight in the eye, he is telling the truth. If he pulls
his right ear-lobe, he is telling the truth. When he plays with his
neck-tie, he is telling the truth" said the first reporter.
Very interesting, but when is he lying?
As soon as he opens his b----y mouth!
Regards,
Ron.
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Balancing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Dave
I was amassed how sensitive the adjustment is. I did the work using a
mercury manometer I got at a motorcycle shop.
If your gauges and hoses are not bypassing air, then with it all back
normal, it should be exactly the same. I used "O" rings on the screw in
nipples I used to connect my hoses. My adjustment was so smooth it was hard
to tell it was running.
The throttle cables do make a difference. I had one bind slightly and I
could see the whole thing flex a little and that made the manometer show a
variation. I slacked off the clamp a little and things where back to smooth.
PS: congratulation on climbing so high !!!! it helps when you take off half
way up.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Carb Balancing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> A quick question on balancing.
>
> I have balanced the carbs numerous times with a twin engine MP gauge. When
> the balance tube is disconnected, the engine obviously runs rougher. At
> one point in the balancing process, I started the engine and it ran very
> smoothly, but the MP gauge still showed a split. Matching the readings on
> the gauge made it run rougher - but that improved with the balance tube
> connected. The engine shakes passing through about 2600 RPM - smooth above
> and below. It seems like balance - the mags have no effect on the
> smoothness.
>
> My guess is that either I have a miss match in mixture as well, or the
> technique I am using is not right.
>
> Here is the question: Should the engine run the smoothest when doing the
> balance with the balance tube disconnected and the carbs are well matched?
> What have others found.
>
> BTW - I flew the Mini U2 today up to 20,000 feet. With the 914 engine, the
> climb rate solo was still 900 FPM at 20,000 feet. You gotta like that!
>
> Dave
> A227 Mini U2
> 261TT
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
Alan-
The whole problem in the US is 9/11. I live in the area where Atta learned
to fly, and, although I have not met his flight instructors, I know some of
his Tai Kwan Do instructors well. You'd think that the flying school would
know that there was something wrong when the students are interested in
taking off and controlling the airplane but not too interested in landing.
That's the reason for the paranoia and although it is an inconvenience, it
is quite necessary.
Florida is a great area to learn to fly because the WX is always so nice.
That is one of the reasons I moved here. If you do study in FL, there is a
good Europa community that will do all they can for you. We have a house
with a couple of spare rooms and they are always open to Europa people. We
do charge rent but usually measure it in liters of beer. If it is necessary
to come early to clear paper, we can make a deal.
Jim, A383, Punta Gorda, FL
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Alan,
Strange, i had a quick look at
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1214.xml
Can't find anything about training requirements. It's complicated enough
as it is.
For me it worked last year like this, and in November this year will work
again:
Find a flight training facility with a US Immigration and Naturalization
Service (INS) permit. That school will issue a form to get a M 1 training
visum. The school usually asks for a deposit, to cover the costs if you
change your mind or so. It was 500 $ in my case. This is refundable if you
really turn up.
Then you get yourself another 2 or 3 forms, fill them in, easy job if you
remember all your previous jobs, parents, sisters and brothers and some
other contact details. Pay the embassy in advance, send these forms, your
passport, passport photo US style, and a statement from the bank that you
really are the legal owner of enough money to cover the costs of your
training plans, and the form from the school and wait for an interview
invitation from the embassy. If you pass the interview and are willing to
get your fingerprints taken, you will be issued with a visum in your
passport. Arrive before! the training is supposed to start in the States,
with all the paperwork. Be ready to explain patiently again why you are
wanting to learn to fly. Loosing your temper will get you run to the
floor, handcuffed and treated like the criminal that you probably are.
Happened to a French student. That's about it, and makes it now impossible
for terrorists to get flying lessons, at least in the States. That's why
it is now so much safer over there. Somebody must have forgotten that
assault rifles are freely available, but hey, pilots are far more
dangerous!
Anyhow, i got my CAA PPL(A) there in a month's time, and will be doing
Night and IMC this year. Canada is probably easier, but the Florida
weather is usually a bit more cooperative i guess. I liked the training,
and i am sure it was effective beyond the purpose of getting past those
exams.
If you want more details, don't hesitate to ask, but off forum please,
Jos Okhuijsen
josok@ukolo.fi
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Jos,
be ready to add $130 to your list of expenses. It looks like the TSA web
site is not up to speed on their own regulations. The process you are
describing is more of a visa process. For the new TSA security background
check rule please go to
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/041007_alienupdate.html . This is
not the only source commenting on this rule but the one I just easily
remembered. I don't know where the 400$ fee came from, but rather it states
a $130US fee for the background check.
I am by myself a going to be very soon green card holder in the US. Believe
me, I went under a few background checks and fingerprint taking already and
therefore I am greatly disappointed that I will have to go through this
background check again if I go for an IFR ticket. But so far, nothing you
can do but to pay the fee for a very questionable process.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigaer
Detroit, Mi
Just to be ready to bon in the CM
but the wings not started yet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Strange, i had a quick look at
> http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1214.xml
> Can't find anything about training requirements. It's complicated enough
> as it is.
> For me it worked last year like this, and in November this year will work
> again:
> Find a flight training facility with a US Immigration and Naturalization
> Service (INS) permit. That school will issue a form to get a M 1 training
> visum. The school usually asks for a deposit, to cover the costs if you
> change your mind or so. It was 500 $ in my case. This is refundable if you
> really turn up.
> Then you get yourself another 2 or 3 forms, fill them in, easy job if you
> remember all your previous jobs, parents, sisters and brothers and some
> other contact details. Pay the embassy in advance, send these forms, your
> passport, passport photo US style, and a statement from the bank that you
> really are the legal owner of enough money to cover the costs of your
> training plans, and the form from the school and wait for an interview
> invitation from the embassy. If you pass the interview and are willing to
> get your fingerprints taken, you will be issued with a visum in your
> passport. Arrive before! the training is supposed to start in the States,
> with all the paperwork. Be ready to explain patiently again why you are
> wanting to learn to fly. Loosing your temper will get you run to the
> floor, handcuffed and treated like the criminal that you probably are.
> Happened to a French student. That's about it, and makes it now impossible
> for terrorists to get flying lessons, at least in the States. That's why
> it is now so much safer over there. Somebody must have forgotten that
> assault rifles are freely available, but hey, pilots are far more
> dangerous!
> Anyhow, i got my CAA PPL(A) there in a month's time, and will be doing
> Night and IMC this year. Canada is probably easier, but the Florida
> weather is usually a bit more cooperative i guess. I liked the training,
> and i am sure it was effective beyond the purpose of getting past those
> exams.
> If you want more details, don't hesitate to ask, but off forum please,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> josok@ukolo.fi
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Michael et all
I am a green card holder and I went through medical, FBI, and Secret
Service checks, along with being finger printed and photographed.
I am pretty irritated with this additional "non value add" process. I have
been thinking of finishing up my commercial rating before selling my
Comanche but now I am not so sure.
Does any one know if the same applies to US nationals who would like to
under go flight training ?
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Jos,
>
> be ready to add $130 to your list of expenses. It looks like the TSA web
> site is not up to speed on their own regulations. The process you are
> describing is more of a visa process. For the new TSA security background
> check rule please go to
> http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/041007_alienupdate.html . This
is
> not the only source commenting on this rule but the one I just easily
> remembered. I don't know where the 400$ fee came from, but rather it
states
> a $130US fee for the background check.
> I am by myself a going to be very soon green card holder in the US.
Believe
> me, I went under a few background checks and fingerprint taking already
and
> therefore I am greatly disappointed that I will have to go through this
> background check again if I go for an IFR ticket. But so far, nothing you
> can do but to pay the fee for a very questionable process.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigaer
> Detroit, Mi
> Just to be ready to bon in the CM
> but the wings not started yet
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> >
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > Strange, i had a quick look at
> > http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1214.xml
> > Can't find anything about training requirements. It's complicated enough
> > as it is.
> > For me it worked last year like this, and in November this year will
work
> > again:
> > Find a flight training facility with a US Immigration and
Naturalization
> > Service (INS) permit. That school will issue a form to get a M 1
training
> > visum. The school usually asks for a deposit, to cover the costs if you
> > change your mind or so. It was 500 $ in my case. This is refundable if
you
> > really turn up.
> > Then you get yourself another 2 or 3 forms, fill them in, easy job if
you
> > remember all your previous jobs, parents, sisters and brothers and some
>
> > other contact details. Pay the embassy in advance, send these forms,
your
> > passport, passport photo US style, and a statement from the bank that
you
> > really are the legal owner of enough money to cover the costs of your
> > training plans, and the form from the school and wait for an interview
> > invitation from the embassy. If you pass the interview and are willing
to
> > get your fingerprints taken, you will be issued with a visum in your
> > passport. Arrive before! the training is supposed to start in the
States,
> > with all the paperwork. Be ready to explain patiently again why you are
> > wanting to learn to fly. Loosing your temper will get you run to the
> > floor, handcuffed and treated like the criminal that you probably are.
> > Happened to a French student. That's about it, and makes it now
impossible
> > for terrorists to get flying lessons, at least in the States. That's why
> > it is now so much safer over there. Somebody must have forgotten that
> > assault rifles are freely available, but hey, pilots are far more
> > dangerous!
> > Anyhow, i got my CAA PPL(A) there in a month's time, and will be doing
> > Night and IMC this year. Canada is probably easier, but the Florida
> > weather is usually a bit more cooperative i guess. I liked the training,
> > and i am sure it was effective beyond the purpose of getting past those
> > exams.
> > If you want more details, don't hesitate to ask, but off forum please,
> >
> > Jos Okhuijsen
> >
> > josok@ukolo.fi
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger brake lever length |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Ivor, John,
thanks for the info. Got now more then I could have asked for.
Thanks
Michael Grass
Trigear A266
Detroit, Mi
Just about to be ready to bond in the cockpit module.
Wings not yet started
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger brake lever length
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
> Michael,
> I'm not sure where I got the dimensions, but here goes.
> The spacing from the bottom hole to the actuator is 1.25 inches.
> This dimension is easy to check.
> From the bottom hole to the top hole is 7.25 inches.
> I used 1/8 X 1 Al.
>
> They look like the ones in the Mod.
>
> John, A230
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Finger brake lever length
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I would like to find out what length Europa has chosen for the finger
> brake levers from mod 65. If somebody would be so kind to give me the
> dimensions from the right lever from center bottom hole to the center of
the
> hole at the actuator and from the bottom hole to the hole for the handle
> that would be great. I hope to fabricate the levers only once ;<)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Michael Grass
> > Trigear A266
> > Just about to be ready to bond in the cockpit module.
> > Wings not yet started
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Simenauer" <dsimenauer@cox.net>
Here is some information from AOPA on the new TSA rules if you are interested.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2004/041020tsa.html
Dave Simenauer
A101
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