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1. 01:09 AM - Re: FW: TSA rules (Duncan McFadyean)
2. 02:25 AM - Re: Wing tanks ()
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Wing tanks (Paul McAllister)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: FW: TSA rules (rlborger)
5. 08:48 AM - Cleaning out my workshop (Paul McAllister)
6. 08:51 AM - Re:TSA Rules (EMAproducts@aol.com)
7. 09:04 AM - Nichol Redman recievers. (NevEyre@aol.com)
8. 11:13 AM - [ Steve Crimm ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
9. 11:22 AM - Re: Wing tanks (UVTReith@aol.com)
10. 11:22 AM - [ Fred R. Klein ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
11. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: How do you know when a politician is lying? (Brian Fogg)
12. 12:04 PM - jack pix (Rowland Carson)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
See also:
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=1f748fa4-b967-4d2b-adab-f0
9a66c08652&
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Michael et all
>
> I am a green card holder and I went through medical, FBI, and Secret
> Service checks, along with being finger printed and photographed.
>
> I am pretty irritated with this additional "non value add" process. I have
> been thinking of finishing up my commercial rating before selling my
> Comanche but now I am not so sure.
>
> Does any one know if the same applies to US nationals who would like to
> under go flight training ?
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
> >
> > Jos,
> >
> > be ready to add $130 to your list of expenses. It looks like the TSA
web
> > site is not up to speed on their own regulations. The process you are
> > describing is more of a visa process. For the new TSA security
background
> > check rule please go to
> > http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/041007_alienupdate.html . This
> is
> > not the only source commenting on this rule but the one I just easily
> > remembered. I don't know where the 400$ fee came from, but rather it
> states
> > a $130US fee for the background check.
> > I am by myself a going to be very soon green card holder in the US.
> Believe
> > me, I went under a few background checks and fingerprint taking already
> and
> > therefore I am greatly disappointed that I will have to go through this
> > background check again if I go for an IFR ticket. But so far, nothing
you
> > can do but to pay the fee for a very questionable process.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michael Grass
> > A266 Trigaer
> > Detroit, Mi
> > Just to be ready to bon in the CM
> > but the wings not started yet
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: TSA rules
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> > >
> > > Hi Alan,
> > >
> > > Strange, i had a quick look at
> > > http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1214.xml
> > > Can't find anything about training requirements. It's complicated
enough
> > > as it is.
> > > For me it worked last year like this, and in November this year will
> work
> > > again:
> > > Find a flight training facility with a US Immigration and
> Naturalization
> > > Service (INS) permit. That school will issue a form to get a M 1
> training
> > > visum. The school usually asks for a deposit, to cover the costs if
you
> > > change your mind or so. It was 500 $ in my case. This is refundable if
> you
> > > really turn up.
> > > Then you get yourself another 2 or 3 forms, fill them in, easy job if
> you
> > > remember all your previous jobs, parents, sisters and brothers and
some
> >
> > > other contact details. Pay the embassy in advance, send these forms,
> your
> > > passport, passport photo US style, and a statement from the bank that
> you
> > > really are the legal owner of enough money to cover the costs of your
> > > training plans, and the form from the school and wait for an
interview
> > > invitation from the embassy. If you pass the interview and are willing
> to
> > > get your fingerprints taken, you will be issued with a visum in your
> > > passport. Arrive before! the training is supposed to start in the
> States,
> > > with all the paperwork. Be ready to explain patiently again why you
are
> > > wanting to learn to fly. Loosing your temper will get you run to the
> > > floor, handcuffed and treated like the criminal that you probably are.
> > > Happened to a French student. That's about it, and makes it now
> impossible
> > > for terrorists to get flying lessons, at least in the States. That's
why
> > > it is now so much safer over there. Somebody must have forgotten that
> > > assault rifles are freely available, but hey, pilots are far more
> > > dangerous!
> > > Anyhow, i got my CAA PPL(A) there in a month's time, and will be doing
> > > Night and IMC this year. Canada is probably easier, but the Florida
> > > weather is usually a bit more cooperative i guess. I liked the
training,
> > > and i am sure it was effective beyond the purpose of getting past
those
> > > exams.
> > > If you want more details, don't hesitate to ask, but off forum please,
> > >
> > > Jos Okhuijsen
> > >
> > > josok@ukolo.fi
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi Mattias,
I don't know of any Europa with wing tanks, don't think
they would take weight and strain. you can of course fit the temporary tank
in the baggage bay.
btw my computer crashed a few months ago, and I lost all my Email address's
including yours. I have tried MRosen@harmanbecker.com but it keeps comeing
back,have you another address?.
Danny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing tanks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias"
<MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyone out there who has wing tanks built into a Europa?
>
> I remember hearing something about a Europa with wing tanks at a fly-in in
Speyer, Germany two years ago. Also, I recently learned that the
Dyn=B4A=E9ro MCR aircraft (Ban-Bi) can be delivered with up to 200 liter
wing tanks for those exciting inter-continental flights :-)
>
> I want my Europa to become a long range touring aircraft, and I really
like the idea of having wing tanks in addition to the . Does anyone have any
experience on this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mattias Rosen
> Kit #565 tri gear - 15% complete
> Karlsruhe, Germany
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I believe one of the very early Europa builder did this, I think his name
was Walter Binder. He added wing tanks, a glider tow hook, put the flap
retract mechanism inside the wing and did some modifications to the
windscreen / cowl area. He was mostly involved with gliders and was
interested in drag reduction. I am sure that other forum members that have
been around longer than me can provide more accurate information, but I know
that this guy has never participated in the Europa community.
Paul
>
> Hi Mattias,
> I don't know of any Europa with wing tanks, don't think
> they would take weight and strain. you can of course fit the temporary
tank
> in the baggage bay.
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TSA rules |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul, et.al.,
WRT your question,
> I am a green card holder and I went through medical, FBI, and Secret
> Service checks, along with being finger printed and photographed.
>
> I am pretty irritated with this additional "non value add" process. I
have
> been thinking of finishing up my commercial rating before selling my
> Comanche but now I am not so sure.
>
> Does any one know if the same applies to US nationals who would like
to
> under go flight training ?
I began work on my Instrument Rating on 1 Oct. I was requested to show
proof of citizenship, preferably passport. That was the only
requirement at that time. This was prior to the recent TSA regulation
announcement so I don't know if it has changed much.
I just read the AOPA blurb and it seems that this is the current
status. Proof of U.S. Citizenship is necessary for Rating training.
BTW, I have no problem with the background checks as I have been
through several over the years while holding a Security Clearance,
purchasing a couple vintage firearms from the Federal Government and
for my Concealed Carry Training and Permit.
If anyone is interested in flight training in the U.S., I'd be happy to
check with my flight school ( http://www.usflightacademy.com/usfa/ ) to
find out it they have been "qualified" to train foreign nationals.
Texas usually has pretty darn good flying weather. That's why the
USAAF (WW II) and the USAF (post 1949) built so many pilot training
bases in Texas. And we have an empty guest bedroom we'd be happy to
provide for any Europa folks who would find themselves traveling
through or training in our area.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) Work on hold while I accumulate $$ to purchase the plexi, prop
and other parts that I'll never get from EMIL or E(04). Meanwhile,
working on Instrument, Commercial, CFI & CFII ratings for potential
career change.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Cleaning out my workshop |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I seem to be reaching that happy stage where I get to fly my Europa more than I
have to work on it, so I have been cleaning up the workshop. I have a number
of items that I would like to sell.
1.25" UMA CHT gauge + sensor
1.25 UMA EHT gauge + sensor
2.25" UMA 0 ~ 50" Manifold pressure gauge
2.25" Europa branded fuel pressure gauge + sensor
2.25" Rotax tach.
Please contact me off list.
Thanks, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Have you seen the new TSA rules regarding non-US citizen flight training
in the US?
I have been a CFI since 62, and am a member of the National Association of
Flight Instructors
Yesterday I received via e-mail a big revision to the stated TSA rules. They
are constantly being gone over by EAA and the NAFI and other groups to insure
they will not be a burden on the schools, students or CFI's. Granted we need
something, but there are limits~~~
Contact EAA/NAFI for most current info.
ATP CE-500, B-737, DC-9; CFI ASMEL A&I
Elbie
EM Aviation
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Nichol Redman recievers. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi All,
I have heard from a number of builders that they have recieved a demand for
money owed to EMIL, to be paid to Redman Nichols within 7 days.
None of them believe they owed anything.We are talking about small amounts,
but if they have done this to a large number of you, it could add up ?
Check your records before paying, or ask for details of what and when ? Might
be a scam? [alledgely !]
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | [ Steve Crimm ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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Subject: Wing Pin Puller
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--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
In einer eMail vom 23.10.2004 15:17:30 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt
paul.mcallister@qia.net:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I believe one of the very early Europa builder did this, I think his name
was Walter Binder. He added wing tanks, a glider tow hook, put the flap
retract mechanism inside the wing and did some modifications to the
windscreen / cowl area. He was mostly involved with gliders and was
interested in drag reduction. I am sure that other forum members that have
been around longer than me can provide more accurate information, but I know
that this guy has never participated in the Europa community.
Paul
>
> Hi Mattias,
> I don't know of any Europa with wing tanks, don't think
> they would take weight and strain. you can of course fit the temporary
tank
> in the baggage bay.
>
Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this.
Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ".
I suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now with the
ready build up wings.
You can contact him under:
Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH
049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail:
_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de)
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith / kit 379 XS Monowheel
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| Subject: | [ Fred R. Klein ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Subject: Europa XS w/ CAM 125
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| Subject: | Re: How do you know when a politician is lying? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.com>
Jest not it's the truth
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: How do you know when a politician is lying?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
>
> A newspaper reporter had spent many months following a certain, well known
> Prime Minister around the world, listening to every word he uttered.
> A colleague was intrigued and asked how to tell when the said politician
was
> telling the truth.
> "If he looks you straight in the eye, he is telling the truth. If he pulls
> his right ear-lobe, he is telling the truth. When he plays with his
> neck-tie, he is telling the truth" said the first reporter.
>
> Very interesting, but when is he lying?
>
> As soon as he opens his b----y mouth!
>
> Regards,
> Ron.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
David Corbett (Europa Club Treasurer) has gone off the the antipodes
and left me a few odds and ends to clear up for him.
The following people are all owed pictures of his jack arrangement.
Paul Boulet
Chuck Rhoads
Augustene Brown
Tom Friedland
Bob Harrison
Bob Borger
Bruno Reith
Dennis Lowe
Fergus Kyle
Bob Gowing
jim@thestonehaven.com
Erich Trombley
Paul Mansfield
dvdpar@aol.com
Alan Burrows
He has not forgotten you, but thanks to some new software he has lost
his address list (what happened to backups??).
While he's away, his e-mail address is disabled to avoid a mountain
of stuff when he returns, and I believe he will actually be setting
up a new address then.
Apologies for the continuing wait for pictures, but I'm sure it will
be worth it in the end!
regards
Rowland
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