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1. 12:37 AM - g-oizi not flying (Rowland Carson)
2. 01:59 AM - Re: FW: Administration (G-IANI)
3. 04:37 AM - Wing tanks (Graham Singleton)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Wing tanks (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 08:58 AM - Re: Nextel Spray Suede (Mike Gamble)
6. 09:32 AM - Re: Nextel Spray Suede ()
7. 11:11 AM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Fred R. Klein)
8. 11:26 AM - FW: Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure (M.J. Gregory)
9. 12:05 PM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Simon Smith)
10. 01:16 PM - Re:Nichol Redman recievers. (s.vestuti)
11. 03:51 PM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Jeremy Davey)
12. 04:35 PM - Fw: (Graham Singleton)
13. 05:01 PM - Re: Wing tanks (Kingsley Hurst)
14. 05:37 PM - Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
15. 07:28 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Paul McAllister)
16. 08:01 PM - Re: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | g-oizi not flying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa
Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified
as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI,
the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is
born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No
Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't
believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown
in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very
odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the
programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate
of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or
did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight?
regards
Rowland
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| Europa 435 G-ROWI (730 hours building) PFA #16532
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Administration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Redman Nichols, the administrator for Europa Management International Ltd.,
have appointed a debt collector to recover any outstanding payments due to
EMIL. The company concerned is:-
Trading Finance & Dept Collectors
3, Victoria Avenue
Hornsea
East Yorkshire
HU18.1NH Voice & Fax 01964 534653
They are sending out demands for payment based on entries in the EMIL
records of bills issued but not paid. This has already led to one builder
receiving a demand for about 5,000, of which he is entirely unaware, and
does not owe.
I have spoken the company and they fully recognise that the record are in a
very poor state and may lead them to issue demands for money that has
already been paid or even relate to fraudulent accounting. So if you
receive a communication from this company please do one of the following:-
1) If the invoice is valid and you have received the goods/service please
pay up.
2) If you have previously paid the invoice please inform them of a) The
exact amount paid, b) the cheque number, c) The date you sent the payment
and d) if possible the date on your bank/credit card statement on which the
payment was cleared.
3) If you know nothing of the alleged invoice please contact them and ask
for a copy of the invoice and any other details they have.
This third point is crucial if they are going to be able to spot any
underhand or illegal accounting.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 23/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this.
>
>Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ".
>I suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now with the
>ready build up wings.
>
>You can contact him under:
>Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH
>049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail:
>_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de)
>Bruno Reith / kit 379 XS Monowheel
Bruno
I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a couple of
Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English?
Putting fuel in the wings actually reduces the loads, the only time the
loads are worse is on the ground. This is why Airbus Boeing hang the
engines out there. (and most of the fuel)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I reckon you can almost make a four-seater Europa if the fuel is in the
wing, or at least a 2+2. so long as it is built light (<760lbs).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing tanks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 23/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this.
> >
> >Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ".
> >I suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now with
the
> >ready build up wings.
> >
> >You can contact him under:
> >Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH
> >049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail:
> >_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de)
> >Bruno Reith / kit 379 XS Monowheel
>
>
> Bruno
> I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a couple of
> Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English?
>
> Putting fuel in the wings actually reduces the loads, the only time the
> loads are worse is on the ground. This is why Airbus Boeing hang the
> engines out there. (and most of the fuel)
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nextel Spray Suede |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Danny, just to give us some idea, what did you get sprayed and what was the
cost.
Thanks
Mike
XS 440
Planning the panel
----- Original Message -----
From: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
>
> Peter, I took my panel to Matthew, Russell Great Edstone, Kirkbymoorside.
He
> did a great job and reasonably priced. choice of 26 colours.
>
> Danny Shepherd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees"
> <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Has anyone used the above product on their aeroplane - If so, is it easy
> stuff to use? The panel on our classic needs some re-work so I'm going to
> buy a set of blank panels from Europa and cut the holes where we want
them.
> The instrument pod is finished in Nextel so, it would be nice to spray the
> new panel to match (as long as its reasonably straight forward).
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nextel Spray Suede |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Mike, I had the panel plus the instrument cut out panel ( IM01T ) and the
engine instrument panel ( IMO3TV ) sprayed in a dark grey anthracite. Cost
70. Looks pretty cool at the moment, but time will tell :-)
I took the panel up myself as I had to pick up some bits and pieces from
EMIL, so no post costs were involved
XS 541
Danny.
(Struggling with the wiring)
-- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@virgin.net>
>
> Danny, just to give us some idea, what did you get sprayed and what was
the
> cost.
> Thanks
> Mike
> XS 440
> Planning the panel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
> >
> >
> > Peter, I took my panel to Matthew, Russell Great Edstone,
Kirkbymoorside.
> He
> > did a great job and reasonably priced. choice of 26 colours.
> >
> > Danny Shepherd
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees"
> > <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the above product on their aeroplane - If so, is it
easy
> > stuff to use? The panel on our classic needs some re-work so I'm going
to
> > buy a set of blank panels from Europa and cut the holes where we want
> them.
> > The instrument pod is finished in Nextel so, it would be nice to spray
the
> > new panel to match (as long as its reasonably straight forward).
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: g-oizi not flying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 10/23/04 11:35 PM, Rowland Carson at rowil@clara.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa
> Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified
> as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI,
> the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is
> born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No
> Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't
> believe everything you see on the telly!
And thank God for that! Such schenanigans seem to fit with what IMHO has
been a somewhat flaky TV series in sharp and unflattering contrast with that
which has been run on the making of an RV.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | FW: Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" <m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
Gary Walsh has asked me to post this on the Europa list to help publicise a
potential problem with early NSI Cap140 props on a Rotax 912S. The story
and pictures on his web site are well worth a look if you think it may apply
to you, and should also be seen by anyone who thinks the PFA are being fussy
when they insist on the approval of every engine/prop combination.
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
----------------------------
Dear Europa Owners
I fly a Kitfox with a Rotax 912S, and until recently a NSI CAP 140
adjustable prop. Three months ago I had an in flight failure whereby the
prop failed and a blade departed. I got the airplane down safely, but there
was significant damage to the engine mount, oil and exhaust systems, and one
of my amphibious floats.
From discussions with others, I learned of a similar incident with a Europa
in 2002 after that owner upgraded his engine to the 912S. In that case a
crack was discovered before it failed completely, and the blade cuff was
returned to the manufacturer and upgraded. This appears to have solved the
problem when running the prop on the 912S (at least the owner has
accumulated 500 hours with no reported problem). This upgrade has been
available for several years now, however the manufacturer has made no
attempt to let their customers know about it.
If you are running a CAP 140 prop, I suggest you contact the manufacturer as
soon as possible. If you are running that prop on the 912S, I would suggest
that you ground the aircraft until you can determine what version of the
cuff you have.
Anyone who wants details can look to my web site. I have copies of a lab
report that documents the failure of my prop, and a copy of the PFA notice
about the incident on the Europa in 2002.
I can be contacted via email at ..
kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | g-oizi not flying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Subject: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa
Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified
as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI,
the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is
born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No
Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't
believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown
in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very
odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the
programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate
of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or
did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight?
The Sharper eyed might also have noticed that before it was painted it had a
912S and a warp drive prop but after the paint job it had a 914 and
airmaster.
My money is on G-KITZ in drag!
Simon
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| Subject: | Re:Nichol Redman recievers. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" <s.vestuti@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
I have heard from a number of builders that they have recieved a demand for
money owed to EMIL, to be paid to Redman Nichols within 7 days.
None of them believe they owed anything.We are talking about small amounts,
but if they have done this to a large number of you, it could add up ?
Check your records before paying, or ask for details of what and when ? Might
be a scam? [alledgely !]
Cheers,
Nev.
Hello Nev,
shouldn't that read " Nichol redman & Wilson " ....
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| Subject: | g-oizi not flying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
It was my understanding that the A Plane Is Born kit was never completed,
and the aircraft shown flying was indeed 'in drag'. I forget which aircraft
it really was, though.
I also remember hearing that the APIB kit was acquired shortly before the
collapse of EMIL by a creditor in lieu of the debt. Perhaps it will appear
on the market soon!
Of course, I also remember being told by EMIL that Mark Evans was trying to
acquire 'Leonie', even though he'd done relatively little of the work on it
- a Friday a week while a contract builder did the real work full time!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: RE: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Subject: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa
Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified
as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI,
the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is
born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No
Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't
believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown
in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very
odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the
programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate
of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or
did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight?
The Sharper eyed might also have noticed that before it was painted it had a
912S and a warp drive prop but after the paint job it had a 914 and
airmaster.
My money is on G-KITZ in drag!
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
I thought this was a very neat description of the current state of our world.
Graham
>Delivered-To: gf_force-gflight-graham@gflight.f9.co.uk
>From: "Bob Dennell"
>Does this remind you of any politicians on either side of the Atlantic?
>
>"Why of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But,
>after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and
>it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
>democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
>dictatorship.
>
>Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
>the leaders.
>
>That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being
>attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
>exposing the country to danger.
>
>It works the same in any country."
>
>
>Hermann Goering, Nazi Officer,
>Statement during his Nuremberg War Crimes Trial.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a
couple of
Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English?
Graham,
That would have been correct at the time at least. I remember reading a
funny article by Ivan Shaw in one of my early Europa Newsletters. (In
the days when they were printed on shiny paper). Ivan said that he
spoke no German and Walter spoke no English but somehow they managed to
communicate. Ivan also got the impression that Walter would walk
through a brick wall if one got in the way! I think this was borne out
by the mods Walter did and from someone I know in the gliding
fraternity, on all accounts Walter is a very smart man. I also have my
suspicions that some of the ideas in the XS were born from some of
Walter's mods.
I saw the funny side of the article hence my being able to remember
something for a change.
Do not archive
Regs
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello all.
I have bee examining a number of routing methods for fuel, sight gauge, and
fuel return lines to the point that I have COMPLETELY confused myself MORE THAN
ONCE!
< And yes... I know I said that I would be bonding that module in over 3
weeks ago! So I'm a bit behind! OK?>
I'll be installing the mod fittings for the water drains which include the
modified 3 port tank vent fitting.
My question is that some of you that have installed these fitting are
electing to connect engine fuel return AND the sight tube to one of the 1/8 pipe
ports at the vent fitting.
And some that are using the new type fittings are still connecting to the 1/8
pipe port at starboard side of the tank
.
I would like to hear opinion on which route is best and why.
Will the tank vent properly with the fuel continuously retuning into the
fitting?
Thanks so much for the Help!
Brian S
A276 Tri Gear. Texas
See my build photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Kingsley,
Here is a photo of my set up. I used screw terminals that attached to the
fuse holders. I seem to recall that I put the screws in with locktite
because they are critical to the system. I think that I used 25 or 30 amp
cartridge fuses.
The OVP I used is the one as described by the Europa club, but don't use the
circuit on there CD, its wrong. Write to Rowland to get directions to where
to get a hold of the right one.
As far as wiring I followed Bob Nuckolls idea out of his book. I ended up
with a fuse block and a small circuit breaker panel with essential devices
on pull able circuit breakers. The eBus can be feed from either the battery
of a second small battery. I wanted lots of redundancy because the 914 has
electric fuel pumps.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Brian
I used the three 1/8" fitting per side method. I made the "main" on the fill
hole side and the reserve on the pilot side. I thought it made better since
that way, do it as you see fit. I don't think there is much value either
way.
The sight tube is coming off the main side. The return is going in on the
reserve side. Each side uses the bottom hole for the sump drain. The last
hole on each side goes to the selector valve. Then to a gas collator/sump
with it's drain and then to the electric fuel pump.
The only thing I saw that was not normal in the way it worked was when I was
using the electric pump to pump the tank dry for weighing. The sight gauge
would drop an inch when the pump was sucking from that side. If I switched
to the other side the sight gauge would be steady. I reasoned that there
was a low pressure from the pump and that my sight gauge is only used as a
ground check anyway, so it was OK.
Your tank vent is coming off the top of the tank by the fill hole. I think
the 1/4" pipe could be bigger as I get a inch too high indication as the
fuel fills above the fill hole opening and all the air must exit the vent
tube. (I am dumping from a Gas can and watching the sight gauge) If I let
it settle and fill very slow it is normal. This is OK to, I guess.
Hope this helps. I got kind of long winded there.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
PS weather has not been cooperating. so not flying lately.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Hello all.
> I'll be installing the mod fittings for the water drains which include the
> modified 3 port tank vent fitting.
>
> My question is that some of you that have installed these fitting are
> electing to connect engine fuel return AND the sight tube to one of the
> 1/8 pipe
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