---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/24/04: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - g-oizi not flying (Rowland Carson) 2. 01:59 AM - Re: FW: Administration (G-IANI) 3. 04:37 AM - Wing tanks (Graham Singleton) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Wing tanks (Duncan McFadyean) 5. 08:58 AM - Re: Nextel Spray Suede (Mike Gamble) 6. 09:32 AM - Re: Nextel Spray Suede () 7. 11:11 AM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Fred R. Klein) 8. 11:26 AM - FW: Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure (M.J. Gregory) 9. 12:05 PM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Simon Smith) 10. 01:16 PM - Re:Nichol Redman recievers. (s.vestuti) 11. 03:51 PM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Jeremy Davey) 12. 04:35 PM - Fw: (Graham Singleton) 13. 05:01 PM - Re: Wing tanks (Kingsley Hurst) 14. 05:37 PM - Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 15. 07:28 PM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? (Paul McAllister) 16. 08:01 PM - Re: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings (Cliff Shaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:15 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI, the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight? regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (730 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:06 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Administration --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" Redman Nichols, the administrator for Europa Management International Ltd., have appointed a debt collector to recover any outstanding payments due to EMIL. The company concerned is:- Trading Finance & Dept Collectors 3, Victoria Avenue Hornsea East Yorkshire HU18.1NH Voice & Fax 01964 534653 They are sending out demands for payment based on entries in the EMIL records of bills issued but not paid. This has already led to one builder receiving a demand for about 5,000, of which he is entirely unaware, and does not owe. I have spoken the company and they fully recognise that the record are in a very poor state and may lead them to issue demands for money that has already been paid or even relate to fraudulent accounting. So if you receive a communication from this company please do one of the following:- 1) If the invoice is valid and you have received the goods/service please pay up. 2) If you have previously paid the invoice please inform them of a) The exact amount paid, b) the cheque number, c) The date you sent the payment and d) if possible the date on your bank/credit card statement on which the payment was cleared. 3) If you know nothing of the alleged invoice please contact them and ask for a copy of the invoice and any other details they have. This third point is crucial if they are going to be able to spot any underhand or illegal accounting. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:43 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Wing tanks --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 23/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this. > >Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ". >I suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now with the >ready build up wings. > >You can contact him under: >Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH >049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail: >_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de) >Bruno Reith / kit 379 XS Monowheel Bruno I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a couple of Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English? Putting fuel in the wings actually reduces the loads, the only time the loads are worse is on the ground. This is why Airbus Boeing hang the engines out there. (and most of the fuel) Graham ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:03 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing tanks --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I reckon you can almost make a four-seater Europa if the fuel is in the wing, or at least a 2+2. so long as it is built light (<760lbs). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Subject: Europa-List: Wing tanks > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > At 23:56 23/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this. > > > >Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ". > >I suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now with the > >ready build up wings. > > > >You can contact him under: > >Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH > >049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail: > >_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de) > >Bruno Reith / kit 379 XS Monowheel > > > Bruno > I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a couple of > Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English? > > Putting fuel in the wings actually reduces the loads, the only time the > loads are worse is on the ground. This is why Airbus Boeing hang the > engines out there. (and most of the fuel) > Graham > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:28 AM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" Danny, just to give us some idea, what did you get sprayed and what was the cost. Thanks Mike XS 440 Planning the panel ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > > Peter, I took my panel to Matthew, Russell Great Edstone, Kirkbymoorside. He > did a great job and reasonably priced. choice of 26 colours. > > Danny Shepherd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Rees" > To: > Subject: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" > > > > > Has anyone used the above product on their aeroplane - If so, is it easy > stuff to use? The panel on our classic needs some re-work so I'm going to > buy a set of blank panels from Europa and cut the holes where we want them. > The instrument pod is finished in Nextel so, it would be nice to spray the > new panel to match (as long as its reasonably straight forward). > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:13 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede --> Europa-List message posted by: Mike, I had the panel plus the instrument cut out panel ( IM01T ) and the engine instrument panel ( IMO3TV ) sprayed in a dark grey anthracite. Cost 70. Looks pretty cool at the moment, but time will tell :-) I took the panel up myself as I had to pick up some bits and pieces from EMIL, so no post costs were involved XS 541 Danny. (Struggling with the wiring) -- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" > > Danny, just to give us some idea, what did you get sprayed and what was the > cost. > Thanks > Mike > XS 440 > Planning the panel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > > > > > Peter, I took my panel to Matthew, Russell Great Edstone, Kirkbymoorside. > He > > did a great job and reasonably priced. choice of 26 colours. > > > > Danny Shepherd > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Rees" > > To: > > Subject: Europa-List: Nextel Spray Suede > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" > > > > > > > > Has anyone used the above product on their aeroplane - If so, is it easy > > stuff to use? The panel on our classic needs some re-work so I'm going to > > buy a set of blank panels from Europa and cut the holes where we want > them. > > The instrument pod is finished in Nextel so, it would be nice to spray the > > new panel to match (as long as its reasonably straight forward). > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" on 10/23/04 11:35 PM, Rowland Carson at rowil@clara.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson > > The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa > Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified > as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI, > the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is > born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No > Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't > believe everything you see on the telly! And thank God for that! Such schenanigans seem to fit with what IMHO has been a somewhat flaky TV series in sharp and unflattering contrast with that which has been run on the making of an RV. Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:07 AM PST US From: "M.J. Gregory" Subject: Europa-List: FW: Posting from Gary Walsh to Europa list...NSI Prop Failure --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" Gary Walsh has asked me to post this on the Europa list to help publicise a potential problem with early NSI Cap140 props on a Rotax 912S. The story and pictures on his web site are well worth a look if you think it may apply to you, and should also be seen by anyone who thinks the PFA are being fussy when they insist on the approval of every engine/prop combination. Mike Europa Club Safety Officer ---------------------------- Dear Europa Owners I fly a Kitfox with a Rotax 912S, and until recently a NSI CAP 140 adjustable prop. Three months ago I had an in flight failure whereby the prop failed and a blade departed. I got the airplane down safely, but there was significant damage to the engine mount, oil and exhaust systems, and one of my amphibious floats. From discussions with others, I learned of a similar incident with a Europa in 2002 after that owner upgraded his engine to the 912S. In that case a crack was discovered before it failed completely, and the blade cuff was returned to the manufacturer and upgraded. This appears to have solved the problem when running the prop on the 912S (at least the owner has accumulated 500 hours with no reported problem). This upgrade has been available for several years now, however the manufacturer has made no attempt to let their customers know about it. If you are running a CAP 140 prop, I suggest you contact the manufacturer as soon as possible. If you are running that prop on the 912S, I would suggest that you ground the aircraft until you can determine what version of the cuff you have. Anyone who wants details can look to my web site. I have copies of a lab report that documents the failure of my prop, and a copy of the PFA notice about the incident on the Europa in 2002. I can be contacted via email at .. kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:02 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI, the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight? The Sharper eyed might also have noticed that before it was painted it had a 912S and a warp drive prop but after the paint job it had a 914 and airmaster. My money is on G-KITZ in drag! Simon ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:46 PM PST US From: "s.vestuti" Subject: Europa-List: Re:Nichol Redman recievers. --> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" Hi All, I have heard from a number of builders that they have recieved a demand for money owed to EMIL, to be paid to Redman Nichols within 7 days. None of them believe they owed anything.We are talking about small amounts, but if they have done this to a large number of you, it could add up ? Check your records before paying, or ask for details of what and when ? Might be a scam? [alledgely !] Cheers, Nev. Hello Nev, shouldn't that read " Nichol redman & Wilson " .... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:23 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" It was my understanding that the A Plane Is Born kit was never completed, and the aircraft shown flying was indeed 'in drag'. I forget which aircraft it really was, though. I also remember hearing that the APIB kit was acquired shortly before the collapse of EMIL by a creditor in lieu of the debt. Perhaps it will appear on the market soon! Of course, I also remember being told by EMIL that Mark Evans was trying to acquire 'Leonie', even though he'd done relatively little of the work on it - a Friday a week while a contract builder did the real work full time! Cheers, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith Subject: RE: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: g-oizi not flying --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson The sharper observers of the "flying aircraft" page on the Europa Club website may notice that there are now _less_ aircraft identified as having flown than there were last week. This is because G-OIZI, the aircraft purportedly shown flying in the TV series "A plane is born", has had its registration cancelled by the CAA because "No Permit to Fly issued". I guess that goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you see on the telly! Certainly the aircraft shown in flight had no visible markings, which always struck me as very odd. Perhaps Neville or someone involved with the making of the programme might care to let us know more about the true state or fate of G-OIZI. Did it get a Permit to Test but never a full Permit? Or did it never (yet) get completed to be ready for flight? The Sharper eyed might also have noticed that before it was painted it had a 912S and a warp drive prop but after the paint job it had a 914 and airmaster. My money is on G-KITZ in drag! Simon ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:11 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton I thought this was a very neat description of the current state of our world. Graham >Delivered-To: gf_force-gflight-graham@gflight.f9.co.uk >From: "Bob Dennell" >Does this remind you of any politicians on either side of the Atlantic? > >"Why of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But, >after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and >it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a >democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist >dictatorship. > >Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of >the leaders. > >That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being >attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and >exposing the country to danger. > >It works the same in any country." > > >Hermann Goering, Nazi Officer, >Statement during his Nuremberg War Crimes Trial. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:33 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing tanks --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a couple of Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English? Graham, That would have been correct at the time at least. I remember reading a funny article by Ivan Shaw in one of my early Europa Newsletters. (In the days when they were printed on shiny paper). Ivan said that he spoke no German and Walter spoke no English but somehow they managed to communicate. Ivan also got the impression that Walter would walk through a brick wall if one got in the way! I think this was borne out by the mods Walter did and from someone I know in the gliding fraternity, on all accounts Walter is a very smart man. I also have my suspicions that some of the ideas in the XS were born from some of Walter's mods. I saw the funny side of the article hence my being able to remember something for a change. Do not archive Regs Kingsley ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:54 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hello all. I have bee examining a number of routing methods for fuel, sight gauge, and fuel return lines to the point that I have COMPLETELY confused myself MORE THAN ONCE! < And yes... I know I said that I would be bonding that module in over 3 weeks ago! So I'm a bit behind! OK?> I'll be installing the mod fittings for the water drains which include the modified 3 port tank vent fitting. My question is that some of you that have installed these fitting are electing to connect engine fuel return AND the sight tube to one of the 1/8 pipe ports at the vent fitting. And some that are using the new type fittings are still connecting to the 1/8 pipe port at starboard side of the tank . I would like to hear opinion on which route is best and why. Will the tank vent properly with the fuel continuously retuning into the fitting? Thanks so much for the Help! Brian S A276 Tri Gear. Texas See my build photos at: http://forum.okhuijsen.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:35 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible Links ??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Kingsley, Here is a photo of my set up. I used screw terminals that attached to the fuse holders. I seem to recall that I put the screws in with locktite because they are critical to the system. I think that I used 25 or 30 amp cartridge fuses. The OVP I used is the one as described by the Europa club, but don't use the circuit on there CD, its wrong. Write to Rowland to get directions to where to get a hold of the right one. As far as wiring I followed Bob Nuckolls idea out of his book. I ended up with a fuse block and a small circuit breaker panel with essential devices on pull able circuit breakers. The eBus can be feed from either the battery of a second small battery. I wanted lots of redundancy because the 914 has electric fuel pumps. Paul ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:31 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Brian I used the three 1/8" fitting per side method. I made the "main" on the fill hole side and the reserve on the pilot side. I thought it made better since that way, do it as you see fit. I don't think there is much value either way. The sight tube is coming off the main side. The return is going in on the reserve side. Each side uses the bottom hole for the sump drain. The last hole on each side goes to the selector valve. Then to a gas collator/sump with it's drain and then to the electric fuel pump. The only thing I saw that was not normal in the way it worked was when I was using the electric pump to pump the tank dry for weighing. The sight gauge would drop an inch when the pump was sucking from that side. If I switched to the other side the sight gauge would be steady. I reasoned that there was a low pressure from the pump and that my sight gauge is only used as a ground check anyway, so it was OK. Your tank vent is coming off the top of the tank by the fill hole. I think the 1/4" pipe could be bigger as I get a inch too high indication as the fuel fills above the fill hole opening and all the air must exit the vent tube. (I am dumping from a Gas can and watching the sight gauge) If I let it settle and fill very slow it is normal. This is OK to, I guess. Hope this helps. I got kind of long winded there. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 PS weather has not been cooperating. so not flying lately. > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > Hello all. > I'll be installing the mod fittings for the water drains which include the > modified 3 port tank vent fitting. > > My question is that some of you that have installed these fitting are > electing to connect engine fuel return AND the sight tube to one of the > 1/8 pipe