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1. 01:29 AM - Re: g-oizi not flying (Tim Weert)
2. 01:44 AM - Re: Re: g-oizi not flying (G-IANI)
3. 02:18 AM - Re: Nichol Redman recievers. (Alan Burrows)
4. 02:26 AM - Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible (Rowland Carson)
5. 02:28 AM - FW: have a laugh (Alan Burrows)
6. 05:01 AM - AW: Wing tanks (Rosen, Mattias)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Wing tanks (UVTReith@aol.com)
8. 07:12 AM - 914 wastegate cable routing (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 07:52 AM - AW: Wing tanks (Rosen, Mattias)
10. 09:12 AM - heat reflective material ()
11. 10:23 AM - Performance, Powersetting tables Rotax 914/ CS AP332, versus (Tim Weert)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: AW: Wing tanks (Fred R. Klein)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: Wing tanks (David Joyce)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
15. 12:31 PM - Re: Wing tanks (Duncan McFadyean)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: Nichol Redman recievers. (Michael Dolphin)
17. 11:16 PM - Re: 914 wastegate cable routing (Tony Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | RE: g-oizi not flying |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Simon,
I checked G-KITZ tech. log for you, but I couln't find Marc Evans' name in the
passengers list. :?:
Regards, Tim.
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| Subject: | RE: g-oizi not flying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
It was definitely not G-KITZ which was still an unfinished shell in Jan 2001
after the series was finished. More likely G-CHET but Andy and Nev can
probably tell you.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Nichol Redman recievers. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hey they are not all small amounts, he's asking me for A LARGE amount,
which I am going to rush down to the bank and pay him out of the
goodness of my heart...hey did anyone see that "flying pink pig" that
just went by...!
If you don't owe it DON'T PAY IT this guy will use whatever scare
tactics he can just to get money in. sound familiar??
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Nichol Redman recievers.
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi All,
I have heard from a number of builders that they have recieved a demand
for
money owed to EMIL, to be paid to Redman Nichols within 7 days. None of
them believe they owed anything.We are talking about small amounts,
but if they have done this to a large number of you, it could add up ?
Check your records before paying, or ask for details of what and when ?
Might
be a scam? [alledgely !]
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible |
Links ???
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> Links ???
At 2004-10-24 21:28 -0500 Paul McAllister wrote:
>The OVP I used is the one as described by the Europa club, but don't use the
>circuit on there CD, its wrong. Write to Rowland to get directions to where
>to get a hold of the right one.
Paul - it depends which issue of the CD you are talking about!
There have been several revisions to both text and diagrams for the
crowbar mod. The one on the current CD, and on the Club website, is
issue 5. If you've got an older CD, please download the latest
version from the website. If you don't already have access to the
members-only pages, then click on the phrase "instructions to request
access" in the opening screen.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | FW: have a laugh |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
We all need one sometimes....does anyone know this pilot??
A student pilot was on a cross country solo flight to Santa Barbara.
Eager to fly "heavy metal" he contacts approach at 5,500 feet for flight
following...
N12345: ...approach, Cessna 12345 checking in at flight level 550.
Approach (after a long pause): Roger, Cessna 12345 ... you can contact
NASA at 368.2 for further advisories!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
Thanks everyone for the infos on wing tanks.
While searching the internet for more details of Walter Binder's work, I found a horrifying story (in German language - www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/noah-d.html) about Mr. Binder escaping from his aircraft last year after the tail separated from the rest of the plane at 7000'. My first thought was, I'd better not mess with the loads and structures of my Europa. Then I read on, and found out that the event occurred during a test-/certification flight of a new glider model (and had nothing to do with his Europa). I guess Mr. Binder was happy his parachute was working...
Making the Europa a 2+1 or 2+2 seat airplane by having at least some of the fuel
in the wings is a nice idea. My two kids together weigh about as much as 70
liters of avgas. If you go for French or Dutch registration, it would probably
be possible. Under the new JAR rules, there should be no problem operating such
aircraft in any other EU/JAR-country even if the regulations for national aircraft
are more restrictive. This is true at least for Germany and Sweden, who
both treat homebuilt aircraft with foreign registration equal to "certified"
aircraft. This means that if your homebuilt is allowed to carry four persons
in the country of registration, you can operate it with four persons in our own
country as well. Do the UK authorities treat foreign homebuilts in the same
way?
One problem though - I have not yet put the top on, and I am not sure if there
will be enough space in the back for two children. Also, what about seat belt
attachments?
If one were to install wing tanks, where would be the right place to put them from
a CG point of view? In front of, or aft of the spar?
/Mattias
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kingsley Hurst [mailto:hurstkr@growzone.com.au]
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Oktober 2004 02:01
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RE: Europa-List: Wing tanks
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
--> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a
couple of
Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much English?
Graham,
That would have been correct at the time at least. I remember reading a funny
article by Ivan Shaw in one of my early Europa Newsletters. (In the days when
they were printed on shiny paper). Ivan said that he spoke no German and Walter
spoke no English but somehow they managed to communicate. Ivan also got the
impression that Walter would walk through a brick wall if one got in the way!
I think this was borne out by the mods Walter did and from someone I know
in the gliding fraternity, on all accounts Walter is a very smart man. I also
have my suspicions that some of the ideas in the XS were born from some of Walter's
mods.
I saw the funny side of the article hence my being able to remember something for
a change.
Do not archive
Regs
Kingsley
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| Subject: | 914 wastegate cable routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
The wastegate cable goes through the intake baffle near the air cleaner.
What methods have folks used to keep the cable housing from rubbing on the
baffle? Is this a job for those cable safe things I see in the 'spruce
catalog?
Thanks, Kevin
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FILETIME=[D7905D40:01C4BAA1]
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
Duncan,
Thanks for these inpiring words. Ever since the day I first heard about the DynAro
4S (four-seater Ban-Bi) I have been tempted to trading my Europa kit for an
MCR 4S. The big problem was that I really wanted Europa's detachable wings,
and I didn't really need a "real" four seater, but rather a 2+2 (back seats being
something like what you will find in a seven-seater VW Touran or Opel Zafira).
If the Europa can be converted to a 2+2 seater, it is really the perfect
plane for me :-)
I think it would be wise to have at least a small fuel tank in the fuselage, and
then adding a way of transferring fuel from the wing tanks to the fuselage tank
as needed. That way you could go for a short flight without having to fill
up the wings, and - for the cross country flights - it would give you time to
find a place to land, should fuel delivery from the wing tanks become disrupted
(I don't like the idea of relying on a quick-connect device for critical fuel
delivery).
I am almost convinced that it can be done now, and I am going to investigate this
issue further.
/Mattias
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Duncan McFadyean [mailto:ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2004 17:34
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Wing tanks
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
--> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I reckon you can almost make a four-seater Europa if the fuel is in the wing, or
at least a 2+2. so long as it is built light (<760lbs).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing tanks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 23/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hallo Mattias and others, who are interested in this.
> >
> >Walter Binder made this with a " Classic Europa Monowheel ". I
> >suppose, it's much easier to install tanks in foam wings than now
> >with
the
> >ready build up wings.
> >
> >You can contact him under:
> >Walter Binder Motzorenbau GmbH
> >049-(0)9777-9200 (fon) 049-(0)9777-9201 (fax) or per e-mail:
> >_097779200@t-online.de_ (mailto:097779200@t-online.de) Bruno Reith /
> >kit 379 XS Monowheel
>
>
> Bruno
> I think I met Walter at the factory many years ago, collecting a
> couple of Classic kits. Am I right in thinking he doesn't speak much
> English?
>
> Putting fuel in the wings actually reduces the loads, the only time
> the loads are worse is on the ground. This is why Airbus Boeing hang
> the engines out there. (and most of the fuel) Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | heat reflective material |
2.00 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date
--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi All,
Can any one tell me what heat reflective material they used in their engine
bay? I've had a look at the Spruce catalogue, and there seems to be quite
a few deferent types. any recommendations?
Cheers Danny
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| Subject: | Performance, Powersetting tables Rotax 914/ CS AP332, versus |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Europa Pilots,
Are there already performance tables available with Europa powersettings for the
Europa XS tri gear with Rotax 914UL and Airmaster AP332 CS propeller?
I remember we had performance tables during our flighttraining for the Beachcraft
Bonanza in our chacklists. When we had for instance to cruise 75% at (H) thousand
feet,
- we had to set (P)psi manifold pressure,
- (R)*1000 RPM,
- (L)gallon/hrs fuel flow and
- the IAS would become (V)knots.
There were also thumb rules for ISA deviations. Those tables are easy to read,
easy to interpret and they dont use power (PCs).
If this performance tables are not available Im interested in a method to create
these tables ourselve and make them available for al Europa pilots via the WWW.
Also the other engine/prop configurations could be inserted.
Regards,
Tim Weert.
#460, PH-JAI.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 10/25/04 4:00 AM, Rosen, Mattias at MRosen@harmanbecker.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
> Making the Europa a 2+1 or 2+2 seat airplane by having at least some of the
> fuel in the wings is a nice idea.
> If one were to install wing tanks, where would be the right place to put them
> from a CG point of view? In front of, or aft of the spar?
>
> /Mattias
>
Mattias,
Is a seed being planted for a Super Europa ala the Super Connie?
By chance just last evening I had a long conversation w/ Alex Bowman, a
Europa driver and retired CAN Air Force test pilot, and he recalled how he
and his engineer had discussed integral wing tanks forward of the spar with
all the plumbing running thru a 3" dia. hole in the wing root rib.
Ultimately he elected not to install them, but I believe he was satisfied
that it was feasible from an engineering standpoint. We did not discuss
possible issues w/ regard to fuel contamination of the glass and foam.
Alex's email is: amhd@shaw.ca
Fred
A194
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Mattias, The normal fuel tank is in front of the spars, but behind the C of
G mid range, so that filling up the tanks puts the C of G back. more of a
snag with the idea of making it a 4 seater is that luggage puts the Cof G
back considerably more because of the greater moment arm. In fact the
possible combinations of pilot range 120-450lbs /fuel 0-110lbs &
baggage0-80lbs uses up the entire permissible C of G range (58.0 to 62.5").
The following figures for my mid weight 914/XS illustrate the problem:
Wt of pax Wt of fuel Wt of bags C of G posn
Shift of C of G
200 0 0
58.42 -
200 110 0
60.03 1.61
200 110 80
62.22 2.19
400 0 0
58.01 -
400 110 0
59.48 1.47
400 110 80
61.21 1.73
If you take a small (120lb) pilot or two large ones (450lbs) you readily
reach the extremes of the CofG range. I am very attracted to the idea of
wing tanks to increase the range but am deeply suspicious of the idea of
making it into a 4 seater or even a 2+2. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
Subject: AW: Europa-List: Wing tanks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias"
<MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
>
> Duncan,
>
> Thanks for these inpiring words. Ever since the day I first heard about
the DynAro 4S (four-seater Ban-Bi) I have been tempted to trading my Europa
kit for an MCR 4S. The big problem was that I really wanted Europa's
detachable wings, and I didn't really need a "real" four seater, but rather
a 2+2 (back seats being something like what you will find in a seven-seater
VW Touran or Opel Zafira). If the Europa can be converted to a 2+2 seater,
it is really the perfect plane for me :-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Fuel Return Using Mod Fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Brian,
I ran the return line to the Reserve side of the tank using the mod fittings.
My thought was to continuously replenish the reserve side, even when the fuel
level is below the hump, to insure maximum fuel should you ever need it.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
With two JAR crew (189 lbs each) and full fuel (105 lbs), I can (in theory,
if not "legally") get 150lbs of baggage into the back of my Europa (which
has an empty weight of 727 lbs). At which point the CG reaches the aft
limit and the all up weight is still only 1360 lbs.
That leaves 105 +150 = 255lbs worth of rear passengers , assuming they can
sit far enough forward (or don't mind facing backwards; far safer!). I could
hang a VP prop on the front to bring the CG further forward.
It's a given that fuel in hte wings would not contribute to a/c allup weight
and would have to be located forward of the spars (currently its at the rear
of the spars); that argument would have to be won first!
Of course, this analysis does not allow for the additional weight of seats,
belts, complex fuel plumbing etc.
Either way, a third seat only should be easy.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing tanks
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Mattias, The normal fuel tank is in front of the spars, but behind the C
of
> G mid range, so that filling up the tanks puts the C of G back. more of a
> snag with the idea of making it a 4 seater is that luggage puts the Cof G
> back considerably more because of the greater moment arm. In fact the
> possible combinations of pilot range 120-450lbs /fuel 0-110lbs &
> baggage0-80lbs uses up the entire permissible C of G range (58.0 to
62.5").
> The following figures for my mid weight 914/XS illustrate the problem:
> Wt of pax Wt of fuel Wt of bags C of G posn
> Shift of C of G
> 200 0 0
> 58.42 -
> 200 110 0
> 60.03 1.61
> 200 110 80
> 62.22 2.19
> 400 0 0
> 58.01 -
> 400 110 0
> 59.48 1.47
> 400 110 80
> 61.21 1.73
> If you take a small (120lb) pilot or two large ones (450lbs) you readily
> reach the extremes of the CofG range. I am very attracted to the idea of
> wing tanks to increase the range but am deeply suspicious of the idea of
> making it into a 4 seater or even a 2+2. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosen, Mattias" <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
> To: "FILETIME=[D7905D40:01C4BAA1]" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AW: Europa-List: Wing tanks
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rosen, Mattias"
> <MRosen@harmanbecker.com>
> >
> > Duncan,
> >
> > Thanks for these inpiring words. Ever since the day I first heard about
> the DynAro 4S (four-seater Ban-Bi) I have been tempted to trading my
Europa
> kit for an MCR 4S. The big problem was that I really wanted Europa's
> detachable wings, and I didn't really need a "real" four seater, but
rather
> a 2+2 (back seats being something like what you will find in a
seven-seater
> VW Touran or Opel Zafira). If the Europa can be converted to a 2+2 seater,
> it is really the perfect plane for me :-)
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Nichol Redman recievers. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Dolphin" <mikedolphin978@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the heads up!!
I've been worryimng about this letter for 13 odd from Redman Nichol so I
called them up to ask for details, 'won't worry so much now, It does sound a
bit "scam like" but for the piddling ammounts, seems hardly worth it!!!
Mike D...................EX Wheelbarrow
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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| Subject: | 914 wastegate cable routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Is this a job for those cable safe things I see in the 'spruce
catalog?
Yes, a cablesafe works really well with the wastegate cable. You'll need the 3/16"
insert to capture the cable properly.
As you'll need to disconnect the cable from the servo to do this ensure that you
clearly mark the cable and servo actuator to get the cable back to the same
spot when you reassemble it.
Tony
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