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1. 02:53 AM - A question of conscience? (Sean O'Reilly)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: A question of conscience? (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 07:45 AM - Re digital ASI, VSI, etc Plus notes on Nuckolls vs Richter (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: A question of conscience? (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
5. 11:59 AM - Re: Drop of the Hat Fly-in (weekend) (Duncan McFadyean)
6. 12:56 PM - Re: A question of conscience? (josok)
7. 01:10 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Craig Ellison)
8. 01:13 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Craig Ellison)
9. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: A question of conscience? (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
10. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: A question of conscience? (Jim Puglise)
11. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: A question of conscience? (Brad Newell)
12. 03:46 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Paul McAllister)
13. 05:46 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Lance Sandford)
14. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: A question of conscience? (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
15. 06:47 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Lance Sandford)
16. 07:00 PM - Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 Sources (grroberts3@juno.com)
17. 07:30 PM - Re: Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 Sources (N55XS)
18. 08:09 PM - Wingtip lighting covers (Fred R. Klein)
19. 08:32 PM - Re: Digital ASI (Kingsley Hurst)
20. 10:48 PM - Re: RiteAngle owners (EMAproducts@aol.com)
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| Subject: | A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sean O'Reilly" <seanmoreilly@hotmail.com>
Dear all,
For those that do not know me, I was one of the unfortunates that paid
Europa Management (International) Limited in full for a Europa kit that
never turned up. I lost the lot (GBP20,000+).
I have just managed to get my head around that one - just.
But then I realise that the former owner and Managing Director of EM(I)L is
continuing to take more money from me. How? Because he is a contributing
photographer to a number of GA magazines, including Popular Flying! (the
magazine of the PFA). Not though The Europa Flyer thankfully!
I pay for the magazine, the magazine publisher pays the photographer - you
get the picture.
My conscience will not allow me to throw good money after bad toward this
man so I have informed these publications that they have a decision to make
- either lose me as a reader or cease association with that particular
contributor.
Thought you all might like to know my stance.
Sean
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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| Subject: | Re: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> For those that do not know me, I was one of the unfortunates that paid
> Europa Management (International) Limited in full for a Europa kit that
> never turned up. I lost the lot (GBP20,000+).
Sean,
Learning what Wilson has done to people like you livers me to the extent
that I really don't know what to say.
Notwithstanding, after reading what you said about writing to the magazine
publisher, I can see no reason why you shouldn't be able to express your
feelings in the 'Letters to the Editor' columns in Popular Flying and
others. I can't see that you would have anything to lose and the more that
man can be ostracised the better in my opinion anyway.
Also, now that you have brought this to our attention, I hope other
subscribers to those magazines make similar threats to withdraw their
subscriptions. Rest assured I can get through life without seeing any
photos taken by Wilson. Not being a subscriber myself, I'm sorry I cannot
support you by putting my money where my mouth is unfortunately.
To you Sean and others in the same boat, I sincerely hope the wheel of
fortune turns around your way and you can get the opportunity to share the
dream we are all working towards.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re digital ASI, VSI, etc Plus notes on Nuckolls vs Richter |
10/28/2004 10:44:17 AM,
Serialize complete at 10/28/2004 10:44:17 AM
0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All,
The Blue Mountain EFIS Lite or Sport models should be looked at
on their merits of performance and price.
For those who just have to have extra letters, a version is being
certified as meeting FAA TSO standards. I have no idea about
incremental price or release date.
As for the debate about who has better advice on wiring:
This is easy! They are both substantially correct, and in my opinion,
they both make mistakes. Bob has been buffing his Aeroelectric Connection
for years, thus has few errors of minutiae or typos. Greg put his thoughts
out with less polish.
Bob likes fuse links; I use about 6 in N224XS but would never again. They
are too difficult to service
Greg suggested using screw terminals, I think these too sensitive to
vibration
On the whole though, there are substantial areas of overlap in which the
naive builder will be
well served by following their advise.
>> Just don't use the cheap automotive or marine grade fastons, use the
industrial grade PIDG with the metal
sleeve going all the way up the plastic collar!<<
Ira N224XS
Just completed a 1600 km trip, no worries
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| Subject: | Re: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
Sean,
I feel your pain!!! I lost over $22,000 to that low life. It looks like he is going
to get away with this. Unfortunately he is untouchable to us in the US. If
he is smart, he will not set foot on this continent.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the Hat Fly-in (weekend) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sunday looks the better.
Duncan.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of the Hat Fly-in (weekend)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi Duncan,
> Yes, can you decide whether Sat or Sun?
> Regards,
> William
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the Hat Fly-in (weekend)
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > Anyone up for a weekend Drop of the Hat?
> > Wx looks optimistic for Saturday or (probably better) Sunday.
> > Last chance to use the freebie for Le Touqet!
> >
> > Duncan McF.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuses, (Fast, Slow or Fat), CB's or Fusible
> Links
> > ???
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Cliff Shaw wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I ran across this information a while back. I would recommend
> > > > you read it and reconsider the "old fashion" wiring plan you
> > > > are considering.
> > >
> > > > http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/docs/aircraftwiring.doc
> > >
> > > Not bad, but I suggest referring also to Bob Nuckolls' review of it.
> > > It has some errors and bad advice, he says:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Aircraft_Wiring_For_Smart_People_Review
> > ed.pdf
> > >
> > > Reg,
> > > Fred F.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: A question of conscience? |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
First of all, it really hurts to hear about losses like that. Mine was just a few
hundred pounds, and i payed more then a month before i finally picked up the
kit. It must have been close to the "take money-see you later" point.
For the rest i feel that proscecution and conviction in civilised countries should
be delt with by the institutions we have elected. I suppose the UK is a country
where those systems should be in place. I am willing to join and share the
costs to my capacity if such a proscecution needs a committee and money to
get things going.
But i reject the kind of public lynching that is promoted here. That is absolutely
against my consience, however understandable it is. So, if we feel that this
is a case of criminal activity, lets get the ball rolling in the right direction!
Cu,
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Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Cliff,
Glad to hear it doesn't seem to effect a Europa/Rotax application! Guess
I'll go for it.
Craig Ellison
Silverton, OR
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Digital ASI
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Craig
>
> The Europa has no problem. The cause is the vibration those big engine
> mounted on the front of those metal airplane.
>
> The last time I talked to the guys in Woodinville (Dynon) They said that
> they had a handle on the cause of the problem. I did not get a hint as to
> what they will be doing to fix it. But the short of the story is,
> Vibration
> seems to effect the Dynon D10 . I have has not problem !!!!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
>
> how about you Cliff?
>
> Digital ASI
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Thanks Gerry,
Good points all. My Europa will be strictly VFR only and now I fly at night
seldom.
craig ellison
Silverton, OR
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Holland" <gnholland@onetel.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Digital ASI
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Craig Hi!
>
>> I was set on the Dynon until an RV builder friend recomended holding
>> off
>> on the Dynon . He had heard through his group that some RV flyers have
>> been
>> having theirs start to tilt at certain RPM. how about you Cliff?
>
> There is some dialogue on the Aero Electric list on this matter. I have
> asked the protagonist to provide the numbers of people with the problem
> rather than conjecture based on hearsay. I'm hopeful he can oblige. At the
> same time I've copied Roy at Dynon Avionics for his comments.
>
> To date I have only seen 2 at most comments on this condition and those
> from
> RV Flyers.
>
> In the UK the application of Dynon Unit can only be regarded for Daylight
> VFR operations only at this time. A nice to have device. It is not
> advertised as a TSO'd device for IFR so it shouldn't be used in that role
> as
> I see it. If I was trusting my life to such technology in IFR flight
> conditions regularly then the Dynon would be well backed up including a
> standard AI. I'd probably spend a little more!
>
> To keep a balanced prospective... Of course it should work correctly. To
> date facts on poor performance of occurrences are very scarce.
>
> If the AE list has some real facts I'll post them here.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
There is no question of criminal activity, at least by US standards. Wilson tried
to sell me a FWF kit as late as June. Unfortunately we wannabe builders in
the US are now powerless.
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| Subject: | RE: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jimpuglise@comcast.net>
It might be worth talking to your local prosecutor. Obviously, they could
never get their hands on him, but it would be nice to know that if he shows
his face in the US, he could go to the cross-bar hotel
Jim, A283 (got most of my kit)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Lmorgan822@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: A question of conscience?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
There is no question of criminal activity, at least by US standards. Wilson
tried to sell me a FWF kit as late as June. Unfortunately we wannabe
builders in the US are now powerless.
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| Subject: | RE: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brad Newell" <wendigo@olympus.net>
For what it's worth, I've been watching lots of heads roll in the homebuilt
kit market for a LONG time. When I decided to go with Europa, I made a
small down payment and made the remainder to go to the deliverers. I feel
for the guys that got stuck with the whole bill for nothing, but I think I
would have been skeptical about any kit seriously discounted.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Lmorgan822@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: A question of conscience?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
There is no question of criminal activity, at least by US standards. Wilson
tried to sell me a FWF kit as late as June. Unfortunately we wannabe
builders in the US are now powerless.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Cliff et. al.
Problems with resonant frequecies are not the only ones I have heard about
with the Dynon. I went to the Rough River Canard fly in a month ago and a
guy there reported an issue where he did a rapid decent through a few
thousand feet and when he leveled off it showed a rate of climb. I can't be
sure but I think he said it was indicating 2000' ROC in level flight.
With all that said, Dynon seem to be a vendor that has excellent product
support and are interested in actively sorting out issues. Given the
installed base they have a good exposure to potential problems and I am sure
that it will be a great product once its all shaken down.
Paul
do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Paul
Are you sure it was the Dynon.
A partial blockage of the static line will give this sympton. It may not
show op during normal climb/descent but may well do so in a rapid descent.
Lance Sandford
Europa 471 in OZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Digital ASI
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Cliff et. al.
Problems with resonant frequecies are not the only ones I have heard about
with the Dynon. I went to the Rough River Canard fly in a month ago and a
guy there reported an issue where he did a rapid decent through a few
thousand feet and when he leveled off it showed a rate of climb. I can't be
sure but I think he said it was indicating 2000' ROC in level flight.
With all that said, Dynon seem to be a vendor that has excellent product
support and are interested in actively sorting out issues. Given the
installed base they have a good exposure to potential problems and I am sure
that it will be a great product once its all shaken down.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: A question of conscience? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
Brad, 20/20 hind sight is always great, however, this was investigated up front
and it all looked good. I was also informed that it HAD to be paid for up front.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Sorry Chaps
As soon as I hit the send button I realizes that would be giving a rate of
descent. Did'nt have brain in gear.
Lance Sandford
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lance
Sandford
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Digital ASI
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Paul
Are you sure it was the Dynon.
A partial blockage of the static line will give this sympton. It may not
show op during normal climb/descent but may well do so in a rapid descent.
Lance Sandford
Europa 471 in OZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Digital ASI
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Cliff et. al.
Problems with resonant frequecies are not the only ones I have heard about
with the Dynon. I went to the Rough River Canard fly in a month ago and a
guy there reported an issue where he did a rapid decent through a few
thousand feet and when he leveled off it showed a rate of climb. I can't be
sure but I think he said it was indicating 2000' ROC in level flight.
With all that said, Dynon seem to be a vendor that has excellent product
support and are interested in actively sorting out issues. Given the
installed base they have a good exposure to potential problems and I am sure
that it will be a great product once its all shaken down.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 Sources |
--> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
I am going to need more Redux.
I contacted Sil-Mid in the UK. Impressive and timely response.
Expensive but reasonable price. The deal breaker was the packing and
shipping from UK to US. A multiple of over 4 times the price of the
Araldite. Total price ended up at over $450 US for a 1.4 kg container.
Does anyone know of a source in the US?
Gary R. Roberts
A187
Tucson, AZ USA
Wings & Flying surfaces done,
CM installed, working on tail end
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| Subject: | Re: Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 Sources |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
grroberts3@juno.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: grroberts3@juno.com
>
>I am going to need more Redux.
>
>I contacted Sil-Mid in the UK. Impressive and timely response.
>Expensive but reasonable price. The deal breaker was the packing and
>shipping from UK to US. A multiple of over 4 times the price of the
>Araldite. Total price ended up at over $450 US for a 1.4 kg container.
>
>Does anyone know of a source in the US?
>
>
>Gary R. Roberts
>A187
>Tucson, AZ USA
>Wings & Flying surfaces done,
>CM installed, working on tail end
>
>
>
I opted for an Aeorpoxy alternative used in the construction of Velocity
A/C (don't have the number in front of me). Call their tech and discuss
the options. I believe I paid about $39 plus shipping for a quart kit...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Wingtip lighting covers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I've succeeded in vacuum forming polycarbonate wingtip lighting covers
suitable for those nifty combo landing light, strobe, and LED position
lights made by CreativAir. I will be using them in conjunction with a rudder
mounted rear position/strobe light.
The covers replace the forward 5.5" portion of the XS fiberglas molded
wingtip.
Of course, they would also serve for other types of lights as well.
If anyone would like a set, feel free to contact me off-list.
Fred
A194
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> As soon as I hit the send button I realizes that would be giving a
rate of
descent. Did'nt have brain in gear.
Thanks for clearing that up Lance. Had me puzzled but wasn't game
enough to dispute it for fear of showing my ignorance.
Makes me feel better now.
Do not archive
Regards
Kingsley
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: RiteAngle owners |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Europa owners that have the RiteAngle AOA, pleases contact me off list if
you have any problems. We have had problems (various aircraft) with stray RF
from owner built engine monitoring systems affecting the RiteAngle if display
leads went close to source of the RF (behind the engine monitor display) and
during certification on a production aircraft a bad connection on an altitude
encoder gave us fits for quite a while.
Elbie
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know,
If not let me know!
Elbie Mendenhall,www.riteangle.com
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