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1. 01:08 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal bearing loads (ivor.phillips)
2. 03:02 AM - Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] (Matt Dralle)
3. 05:10 AM - Wanted: written-off XS wing (Jeremy Davey)
4. 12:45 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 01:55 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
6. 01:55 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Fred R. Klein)
7. 03:01 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Gerry Holland)
8. 03:05 PM - Painting various metal rods (Fred R. Klein)
9. 03:56 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Jeremy Davey)
10. 03:57 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Jeremy Davey)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing (Jeremy Davey)
12. 04:19 PM - Re: Painting various metal rods (Rob Housman)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Painting various metal rods (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal bearing loads |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Hi Tony
Mine where a bit tight on installation so carried out a slight easing off
the holes, so they can fall back under there own weight,
But bare in mind when you lubricate the tufnol bearings they will expand
slightly and grip the cross shaft,
The springs on there own easily pull the rudder pedals towards the firewall
on my Kit
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed, rudder cables complete,
trial fit top and wings,Undercarriage fitted,playing with tie bar
>
>
>, should I try and work out the friction before
> attaching cables etc to be as close to zero as I can get them? I'd have to
> say I
> currently need a pound or two of breakaway force, but I haven't attached
> the spring
> hardware yet. Any advice greatly appreciated.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] |
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| Subject: | Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Hi,
I=92m on the look-out for a written off XS wing =96 or, to be more accurate, the
last two feet or so =96 to test heat dissipation when I=92ve fitted
landing-lights in the wing-tip. If anyone knows of one, could you please let
me know!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently; don't know what state the
wings were in. I registered an interest in these, but never heard back from
them.
Presumably you're trying to answer the PFA's standard question in relation
to fitting landing lights (i.e. will they overheat if left on
inadvertently).
Rather than answer the question, you could try going with lights that don't
use much power (i.e. HID lights take 35W and put out a greater proportion of
that as light rather than heat, as compared to QI bulbs).
I have photos of some units with running temperatures (in free air at room
temp) marked on them, if you're interested.
Duncan Mcf. .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Wanted: written-off XS wing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I=92m on the look-out for a written off XS wing =96 or, to be more
accurate, the
> last two feet or so =96 to test heat dissipation when I=92ve fitted
> landing-lights in the wing-tip. If anyone knows of one, could you please
let
> me know!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 01/11/04 20:47:01 GMT Standard Time,
ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently
Skycraft have sold this Europa. I don't know who has bought it.
John Heykoop
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 11/1/04 12:48 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently; don't know what state the
> wings were in. I registered an interest in these, but never heard back from
> them.
>
> Presumably you're trying to answer the PFA's standard question in relation
> to fitting landing lights (i.e. will they overheat if left on
> inadvertently).
>
CreativAir...which is currently marketing LED wingtip position lights in
combination w/ a 75w Halogen landing light posts the following note on its
website:
> Thursday July 8, 2004
> HID LAMP Update... In looking at the HIDs I got in for testing I am not
> sure they will work at this time... I feel they may be too fragile for
> aircraft use and am going to have to look in another direction... More info
> will be available on this site as I have it... Thanks...
Presumably, their efforts to substitute HID for the Halogen stem from a
desire for good light w/ reduced power and heat.
In response to my enquiry as to heat buildup w/ the 75w Halogens, CreativAir
said that they have no test data in this regard.
From other sources, I'm told that the 75w Halogen bulb throws 75% of its
heat out the back of the bulb which, in the CreativAir installation, allows
that heat to move into the cavity of the wingtip (which in turn is open to
the cavity of the wing itself aft of the main spar)
I have no idea with regard to whether heat buildup either under normal
operating conditions or in the event the lights were left on inadventantly
for an extended period would become an issue, though I am considering
running extra wiring so that a thermostat could be installed to monitor
internal wing temperatures.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Hi!
I looked at fitting a Landing or ID lamp in my Trigear.
I've tried Whelan ID Lamp (35W), Hella Daylight HID Car Daylight running
lights (6W) and eventually purchased a pair of 75W 2.5" Halogen Units from
Lancair.
The final choice is to fit one of the Lancair Units in lower Engine Cowling
but with a cool white 18 LED replacement Bulb in MR16 fitment style and will
use it just as a circuit ID light. It works well and is enough to attract
attention easily and enhances my 2 Strobes.
So... The 75W Unit was VERY hot in operation! and very quickly in its turned
Aluminium Housing. Far too hot to handle. It would need ventilation or could
be adapted to tilt down into airstream in a hinged operation. The positive
was the light output. About 15 degree cone with great range. Well designed
for true Landing lights.
This is not a scientific observation but common sense based on heat output
at 75W in a composite construction confined space.
My spare Light Unit is en route to another Europa Builder who has some other
ideas on fitment.
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder.
PSS AoA Fitted.
http://www.g-fizy.com
Mobile: +44 7808 402404
WebFax: +44 870 7059985
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Painting various metal rods |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I am pulling together the various ferrous rods and parts to take them down
to my friendly neighborhood powder coating shop.
I'm thinking of spraying zinc chromate on all my aluminum tubes and various
brackets which will be located internally.
I'm tempted to also powder coat the exposed (external) aluminum parts such
as the flap accuators, outrigger and landing gear components.
My stabilator torque tube assembly catches my eye as it appears to be made
from stainless steel...as a consequence, I've concluded that it doesn't need
any protective coating (paint or powder coat) at all. (true?)
Would anyone care to comment, or perhaps guide me towards a better way of
dealing with these issues?
Fred
A194
XS Mono
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| Subject: | Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Duncan,
Thanks for your email - and you presume correctly :-)
I'll be going for bulbs that give maximum light for the wattage (oh, how I
love that Rotax electrical budget!) - so your thoughts on HID are most
welcome. And I'd very much like to take you up on the offer of the photos,
please!
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan
McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted: written-off XS wing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently; don't know what state the
wings were in. I registered an interest in these, but never heard back from
them.
Presumably you're trying to answer the PFA's standard question in relation
to fitting landing lights (i.e. will they overheat if left on
inadvertently).
Rather than answer the question, you could try going with lights that don't
use much power (i.e. HID lights take 35W and put out a greater proportion of
that as light rather than heat, as compared to QI bulbs).
I have photos of some units with running temperatures (in free air at room
temp) marked on them, if you're interested.
Duncan Mcf. .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Wanted: written-off XS wing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I=92m on the look-out for a written off XS wing =96 or, to be more
accurate, the
> last two feet or so =96 to test heat dissipation when I=92ve fitted
> landing-lights in the wing-tip. If anyone knows of one, could you please
let
> me know!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
> PFA EC Member
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings with mods underway
> CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
> 1200 build hours to date
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
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| Subject: | Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Fred,
Thanks for that input - those are the position lights I am using, and I too
may have to fit thermocouples in order to light a caption in the cockpit if
I leave them on and temps get too high.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted: written-off XS wing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 11/1/04 12:48 PM, Duncan McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently; don't know what state the
> wings were in. I registered an interest in these, but never heard back
from
> them.
>
> Presumably you're trying to answer the PFA's standard question in relation
> to fitting landing lights (i.e. will they overheat if left on
> inadvertently).
>
CreativAir...which is currently marketing LED wingtip position lights in
combination w/ a 75w Halogen landing light posts the following note on its
website:
> Thursday July 8, 2004
> HID LAMP Update... In looking at the HIDs I got in for testing I am not
> sure they will work at this time... I feel they may be too fragile for
> aircraft use and am going to have to look in another direction... More
info
> will be available on this site as I have it... Thanks...
Presumably, their efforts to substitute HID for the Halogen stem from a
desire for good light w/ reduced power and heat.
In response to my enquiry as to heat buildup w/ the 75w Halogens, CreativAir
said that they have no test data in this regard.
From other sources, I'm told that the 75w Halogen bulb throws 75% of its
heat out the back of the bulb which, in the CreativAir installation, allows
that heat to move into the cavity of the wingtip (which in turn is open to
the cavity of the wing itself aft of the main spar)
I have no idea with regard to whether heat buildup either under normal
operating conditions or in the event the lights were left on inadventantly
for an extended period would become an issue, though I am considering
running extra wiring so that a thermostat could be installed to monitor
internal wing temperatures.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Wanted: written-off XS wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <EuropaFlyer_3@msn.com>
Ach - that plane was something of a hope for me... :-( I believe it was
Hedley Brown's. Hedley, you out there and can you confirm?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1200 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted: written-off XS wing
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 01/11/04 20:47:01 GMT Standard Time,
ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Skycraft had a written off XS Europa recently
Skycraft have sold this Europa. I don't know who has bought it.
John Heykoop
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| Subject: | Painting various metal rods |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Ever since Erin Brockovich (the person and the movie) hexavalent chrome has
had an extremely bad reputation so you may find it impossible to purchase
the zinc chromate. It works, if you can get it. Alodine is relatively safe
to handle, easy to use, and will provide adequate protection for all of the
aluminum parts. Use Metalprep from the same manufacturer (Henkel Surface
Technologies http://www.henkel.com/int_henkel/technologies/index.cfm for
pre-treatment.
My Tri-Gear main gear legs and nose gear assembly are powder coated but not
any of the aluminum stuff. While the aluminum parts could be powder coated
keep in mind that the coating is relatively brittle and therefore should not
be used where fasteners attach things, and if you mask the attachment points
it somewhat negates the advantage of powder coating for corrosion
resistance. It is important to keep in mind that coatings protect against
corrosion ONLY as long as the coating remains intact and wherever there is a
discontinuity in the coating corrosion will proceed at an accelerated rate.
When I made a similar comment on this forum about the stabilator torque tube
material I was corrected by the factory (Neville, I think) - the tube is
nickel plated.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
Subject: Europa-List: Painting various metal rods
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I am pulling together the various ferrous rods and parts to take them down
to my friendly neighborhood powder coating shop.
I'm thinking of spraying zinc chromate on all my aluminum tubes and various
brackets which will be located internally.
I'm tempted to also powder coat the exposed (external) aluminum parts such
as the flap accuators, outrigger and landing gear components.
My stabilator torque tube assembly catches my eye as it appears to be made
from stainless steel...as a consequence, I've concluded that it doesn't need
any protective coating (paint or powder coat) at all. (true?)
Would anyone care to comment, or perhaps guide me towards a better way of
dealing with these issues?
Fred
A194
XS Mono
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| Subject: | Re: Painting various metal rods |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Fred,
DON'T DO THE STABILATOR TORQUE TUBE!!!!!! Your stabilators would never fit
onto it later. It is a very snug fit at various points when mounted.
As for the aluminum parts being powder coated......you might check with your
coater to see what temp he runs his batch at as this might have a negative
effect on the strength of the parts. I have heard this from some of the more
knowledgeable people on this forum. I dipped coated mine with zinc chromate and
then spray painted most of them.
One bit of heads up.....find the two sides of the stabilator trim assy, look
forward in the manual to see how these have a spring load with fiber washer
slides along the arc.....don't paint that area because it won't slide very well
afterwards. Been there, done that, used lots of scrotch bright to remove.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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