Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 11/18/04


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 01:20 AM - Re: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges for Permit (Tim Weert)
     2. 02:45 AM - Fuel tank fitting sealing? (JonSmith)
     3. 03:11 AM - Re: Fuel tank fitting sealing? (Gerry Holland)
     4. 03:30 AM - Message or message? (Gerry Holland)
     5. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges  (Jim Brown)
     6. 05:43 AM - Re: Interior Paint (Steve Hagar)
     7. 06:21 AM - Seats and Interior (Ronald J. Parigoris)
     8. 06:36 AM - Re : Interior paint (John & Paddy Wigney)
     9. 06:51 AM - Europa for sale (Davidghillam@aol.com)
    10. 06:51 AM - Re: Which oil? (Paul McAllister)
    11. 06:58 AM - Re: What engine for my Europa? (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
    12. 07:11 AM - Re: RE : Interior Paint (JEFF ROBERTS)
    13. 07:45 AM -  RE : Interior Paint (David DeFord)
    14. 07:53 AM - Re: Europa for sale (Gavin Stewart)
    15. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges for Permit (Fergus Kyle)
    16. 08:51 AM - Re: Interior Paint (Fred Fillinger)
    17. 02:39 PM - Re: Seats and Interior (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:20:05 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges for
    Permit
    From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
    2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Hi Europa operators, Being able to operate your aircraft under IMC is the best life insurance you can have. If you entrance unforeseen IMC during your VFR flight it will safe your day. Being able to fly safe under IMC needs only more skills and recurrent training than many VFR pilots expect. Commercial pilots train at least 4 simulator sessions a year to keep their licence valid. So once again, I agree that training and practising IFR flying is a must. MS Flight simulator is a nice tool to improve your instrument scan, but practising in your own aircraft is the best way to get enough exposure to fly IFR, assuming your plane is IFR equipped. But this story has also a other side. In the first place, if I have an engine failure or cabin fire, I always want to be able to make a safe forced landing. That means that I require at least VFR minima below the cloud layer I am flying into or above. To be able to see what I am doing during my emergency landing, daylight is a must. Remember Murphys Law, if it happens, it will happen at the worst moment. If I want to fly at night or in real IMC (to ground level), I only feel myself safe in an IFR equipped twin aircraft. Than an engine may fail because Im still able to make a single engine IFR approach. I would like to encourage you all to improve your skills and at the same time to keep a safe weather limitation + margin in mind. Fly safe, Tim. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/


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    Time: 02:45:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Fuel tank fitting sealing?
    From: "JonSmith" <jon.smith680@tesco.net>
    2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" <jon.smith680@tesco.net> Hi, A basic question but I'm new to some of the maintainance jobs on the Europa! (Didn't build it myself) When refitting the fuel tank metal fittings should they be fitted dry, thus relying on the rubber hose and jubilee clips to seal or should I apply some sort of sealing compound to the fitting body before sliding it in the hole? If a sealing compound is needed could someone advise me which is best? Cheers, Jon ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/


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    Time: 03:11:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank fitting sealing?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> Jon Hi! I used a 2 part Sealant Part No: PR1422/A2 from Light Aero Spares. Tel No: 01409 281578. I've a suspicion that number may have changed but there should be a BT massage telling you the new number. The product is a 2 part liquid that is mixed and applied to surface or pipe. Not pleasant in colour or consistency but does cure as a good seal. It contains Butanone? The manufacturer is: PRC-DeSoto International Darlington Road Shildon Co. Durham DL4 2QP Tel No: 01388 772541 Regards Gerry


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    Time: 03:30:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Message or message?
    From: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com> From my previous e-mail. A typo. I've a suspicion that number may have changed but there should be a BT massage telling you the new number. I meant message.... but it could have been Etonian slant on pronunciation. You can get a massage but..... via a BT call!! Regards Gerry


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    Time: 04:10:29 AM PST US
    From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges
    forPermit --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> Tim Weert wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> > > Hi Europa operators, > > Being able to operate your aircraft under IMC is the best life insurance you can have. If you entrance unforeseen IMC during your VFR flight it will safe your day. Being able to fly safe under IMC needs only more skills and recurrent training than many VFR pilots expect. Commercial pilots train at least 4 simulator sessions a year to keep their licence valid. So once again, I agree that training and practising IFR flying is a must. MS Flight simulator is a nice tool to improve your instrument scan, but practising in your own aircraft is the best way to get enough exposure to fly IFR, assuming your plane is IFR equipped. > > But this story has also a other side. In the first place, if I have an engine failure or cabin fire, I always want to be able to make a safe forced landing. That means that I require at least VFR minima below the cloud layer I am flying into or above. To be able to see what I am doing during my emergency landing, daylight is a must. Remember Murphys Law, if it happens, it will happen at the worst moment. > If I want to fly at night or in real IMC (to ground level), I only feel myself safe in an IFR equipped twin aircraft. Than an engine may fail because Im still able to make a single engine IFR approach. > I would like to encourage you all to improve your skills and at the same time to keep a safe weather limitation + margin in mind. > > Fly safe, > > Tim. > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ >


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    Time: 05:43:51 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Interior Paint
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net> Jeff : Zolatone is indeed the way to go. I did mine that way and it looks good. Though you need to follow it up with the epoxy clear coat that Zolatone recommends. It will abrade if not clear coated Once that is done it is tough as nails and has a real good look to it. You will need to get the whole gallon of Zolatone that is what it takes. Though the quart kit of epoxy is more than enough. It consists of a quart of base plus a quart of activator so in reality it is a half a gallon. Zolatine needs to be sprayed using a pressure pot sprayer to do it right. The nozzle needs to be enlarged with a number drill so you don't bust up the speckels when they come out. The best procedure is to spray the inside of your wheel well first to see how well you are spraying. That way you can adjust your technique while not making a mess of anything visible. The Zolatone website has lots of good information. Steve A143 N40SH Mesa AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Date: 11/17/2004 3:17:35 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Interior Paint > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> > > I would like to know what others have done with regard to walls and > doors for the interior. I been told by a local Long EZ builder that the > proper way to go is with Zolitone. I can only find it being sold by the > gallon for $55.00. I don't need a whole gallon. Has anyone used the > Rustoleum product called Stone Creations found at your local hardware > store? I wonder if it would hold up in the extreme temps in the > cockpit. > Thanks for any advice in advance. > Regards, > Jeff > A258 > >


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    Time: 06:21:20 AM PST US
    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: Seats and Interior
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Not quite sure where to start. What is choice out there on interiors. Paint and a little fabric, or mostly fabric? If mostly fabric what still needs to be painted, and with what type paint? How is surface prepared for accepting adhesive? What is choice for seats? Where to purchase interior and seats in US would be greatly appreciated. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 06:36:23 AM PST US
    From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re : Interior paint
    --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net> <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Time: 02:18:05 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> Subject: Europa-List: Interior Paint I would like to know what others have done with regard to walls and doors for the interior. I been told by a local Long EZ builder that the proper way to go is with Zolitone. I can only find it being sold by the gallon for $55.00. I don't need a whole gallon. Has anyone used the Rustoleum product called Stone Creations found at your local hardware store? I wonder if it would hold up in the extreme temps in the cockpit.Thanks for any advice in advance. Regards, Jeff A258 >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, I used the Stone Creations product and a light top coat spray of clear. It has held up quite well with 3 years of use. The pilot foot well is scuffed and the throttle quadrant box where my hand rests is getting dirty, but it is easy to clean or spray over as necessary. If you use use a white primer first, you will need much less of the speckle paint. Next time, I would put on a much heavier topcoat of clear acrylic as Tony K suggested. Cheers, John N262WF


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    Time: 06:51:37 AM PST US
    From: Davidghillam@aol.com
    Subject: Europa for sale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com Hi, Changed family circumstances and new commitments and interests compel me, somewhat reluctantly, to offer my Classic monowheel Europa for sale. It is very well built (not just I who modestly states so!), very well equipped; horizon, capacitance fuel gauge, OAT, Bendix-King GPS (Skymap II), etc. Long wheelbase mod. Despite having Rotax 912 UL, climb is over 700 fpm at MAUW and usually about 1000 fpm with one POB and half fuel. Ground adjustable 3-blade Warp Drive prop. Basic weight 789 lb. Dynofoam energy absorbing seats. Very few snags needed correction at final inspection or during test flying and none at its first Annual. Now 30 hours TT. Always hangared (Kemble). I'm looking for offers around GBP33,000. Buyer would have option to purchase factory trailer. Why spend GBP50,000 and do 2,500 hours work when you can buy the finished product, tried and tested, for two thirds of the price??? David


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    Time: 06:51:38 AM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Re: Which oil?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I got a response from Shell telling me it is not available in the US. Rotax has just approved Pennzoil Motorcycle oil 20W50. This is a semi synthetic with a gear box oil. I have just purchased a case and I will try it next oil change. Paul > IS Shell VSX-4 EVEN AVAILABLE? COULDN'T LOCATE ANY THROUGH SHELL STATIONS OR > THE REGULAR SUPPLY HOUSES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.


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    Time: 06:58:26 AM PST US
    From: Lmorgan822@aol.com
    Subject: Re: What engine for my Europa?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com Doesn't do a thing for me.


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    Time: 07:11:04 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Interior Paint
    --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> Best ask the guys that used it, but I'm told you spray it with a HVLP gun. Thanks to all for your responses! You all are great! Jeff A258 Starting to see some blue light at the end of the tunnel. On Nov 18, 2004, at 1:06 AM, mau11 wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr> > > Hello Jeff, > What method do you use for Zolatone applied? > > Brushe, roll, or spray? > > --|-- > --------(*)-------- > > Michel AUVRAY > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Craig > Ellison > Envoy : jeudi 18 novembre 2004 02:50 > : europa-list@matronics.com > Objet : Re: Europa-List: Interior Paint > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" > --> <craig.ellison2@verizon.net> > > Hi Jeff, > > I did my interior with Zolitone. You can get it by the Qt. from NAPA > auto . > It's easy to put on and then clear coat with rattle can. Expect I > might > > cover later but for the first shake down hours should be fine. > > craig ellison > A205 > All flying surfaces painted, waiting on FWF kit. Working on panel. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Interior Paint > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> >> >> I would like to know what others have done with regard to walls and >> doors for the interior. I been told by a local Long EZ builder that >> the proper way to go is with Zolitone. I can only find it being sold >> by the gallon for $55.00. I don't need a whole gallon. Has anyone used > >> the Rustoleum product called Stone Creations found at your local >> hardware store? I wonder if it would hold up in the extreme temps in >> the cockpit. Thanks for any advice in advance. >> Regards, >> Jeff >> A258 >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:45:55 AM PST US
    From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
    Subject: Interior Paint
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net> > What method do you use for Zolatone applied? > > Brushe, roll, or spray? You have to spray Zolatone to get the desired texture. Brushing just smears the speckles into the background. The only constraint on the spray gun is that it must operate with pressure feed and internal mix. We used an inexpensive gun from Sears that was convertible (pressure/siphon, internal/external), and it worked fine. This is very forgiving paint: even a raw amateur (like myself) can get good results. We have no clear coat over the Zolatone, and it still looks like new after about 4 years, but we have fabric or carpet in the areas of heaviest wear. Dave DeFord N135TD (flying, 400 hours)


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    Time: 07:53:31 AM PST US
    From: Gavin Stewart <gavinstewart@marshallsuttonjones.com>
    Subject: Europa for sale
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gavin Stewart <gavinstewart@marshallsuttonjones.com> Just bought another Europa, but could be interested in your trailer. What price? I am also interested in your reference to long wheel base mod. I have not heard of it before. Info would be appreciated. Regards Gavin Stewart (01473 328039)


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    Time: 08:12:25 AM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Re: RE: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges
    for Permit --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Subject: Europa-List: RE: What's your position on Night and IMC privileges for Permit | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> | | Hi Europa operators, | | Being able to operate your aircraft under IMC is the best life insurance you can have. If you entrance unforeseen IMC during your VFR flight it will safe your day. Being able to fly safe under IMC needs only more skills and recurrent training than many VFR pilots expect. Commercial pilots train at least 4 simulator sessions a year to keep their licence valid. So once again, I agree that training and practising IFR flying is a must. MS Flight simulator is a nice tool to improve your instrument scan, but practising in your own aircraft is the best way to get enough exposure to fly IFR, assuming your plane is IFR equipped. | | But this story has also a other side. In the first place, if I have an engine failure or cabin fire, I always want to be able to make a safe forced landing. That means that I require at least VFR minima below the cloud layer I am flying into or above. To be able to see what I am doing during my emergency landing, daylight is a must. Remember Murphys Law, if it happens, it will happen at the worst moment. | If I want to fly at night or in real IMC (to ground level), I only feel myself safe in an IFR equipped twin aircraft. Than an engine may fail because Im still able to make a single engine IFR approach. | I would like to encourage you all to improve your skills and at the same time to keep a safe weather limitation + margin in mind. | | Fly safe, | | Tim. | ---------------- Gee, I don't know, Tim, Although being current in instruments is of course ideal, achieving that currency can be tough. Actually those four practice sessions Commercial and ATP do are really two practice and two are licence tests. That's usually more than doctors and lawyers practice I understand, but they say each case is a test - the fact is when they fail a test someone else pays. The rule is: Doctors bury their mistakes, lawyers hang theirs but pilots taste their fate before their passengers. A twin a night - most have two engines so the second takes you to the scene of the prang. If it happens at the worst moment then the forced landing will be in mature trees - night has nothing to do with it! I always carry a fifty-foot to climb down afterward. Cheers, Ferg


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    Time: 08:51:13 AM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Interior Paint
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> Rustoleum also now has a spray-can Textured Paint in several darker colors. Its particulates are finer than the paints discussed here so far, for a different effect. Also, they're not multi-colored, should one find to be odd-looking in a vehicle interior. Reg, Fred F.


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    Time: 02:39:57 PM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Seats and Interior
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Ron, Try the Tapis Corporation out of Armonk, New York. Online at www.tapiscorp.com and you can see the different colors and then contact them for some swatches/samples of your choices. We are looking at their "Ultrasuede" to make our seats. My wife will sew up the Ultrasuede to fit around our Confor foam cushions. Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before that.




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