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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides (MICHAEL PARKIN)
2. 05:37 AM - RE : SV: Fitting Cowl (mau11)
3. 05:37 AM - RE : SV: Fitting Cowl (mau11)
4. 09:03 AM - Closing up (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Closing up (Al Stills)
6. 10:46 AM - Re: Doors (Paul Stewart)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: Doors (N55XS)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: Doors (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 03:35 PM - Re: Closing up (Robert Berube)
10. 03:50 PM - Re: Closing up (astills)
11. 04:31 PM - Re: Closing up ()
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Closing up (Fred Fillinger)
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| Subject: | Re: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Steady there Nev!! You know full well you can tell a Yorkshireman anywhere,
you just can't tell him much.
regards,
Mike
YLOFFCAW
Yorkshire Liberation Organisation for Flat Caps and whippets.
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From: <NevEyre@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
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> Hi John,
> All is well in deepest Yorkshire [ apart from the bl**dy Yorkshiremen !]
> Aeropoxy is fine over fibreglass / wood / steel. It works well over Alloy,
> just my personal preference to put Redux over alloy.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
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>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr>
Hi all,
I search a navaid servo second hand crank or capstan.
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Michel AUVRAY
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De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel &
Svein Johnsen
Envoy : mardi 23 novembre 2004 21:12
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : SV: SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
--> <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>Sorry Svein,
>I meant to say from the flange as Andy indicated. I just measured mine
>and it's 5 mm from the spinner to the cowl. It's a little tight when
>your removing the cowls but the fit looks really good. Hope this helps.
>Jeff
Thank you very much for clearing this up so quickly, Jeff, and for
taking the trouble to measure the clearance.
Happy building - firewall forward sure beats doing wing layups!
Regards,
Svein
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr>
Hi all,
I search a navaid servo second hand crank or capstan.
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Michel AUVRAY
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel &
Svein Johnsen
Envoy : mardi 23 novembre 2004 21:12
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : SV: SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
--> <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>Sorry Svein,
>I meant to say from the flange as Andy indicated. I just measured mine
>and it's 5 mm from the spinner to the cowl. It's a little tight when
>your removing the cowls but the fit looks really good. Hope this helps.
>Jeff
Thank you very much for clearing this up so quickly, Jeff, and for
taking the trouble to measure the clearance.
Happy building - firewall forward sure beats doing wing layups!
Regards,
Svein
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 11/24/2004 2:58:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Subject: Europa-List: Closing up
For the Tri gear builders, how have you closed the front opening on the
bottom
around the front wheel. I know the opening has to be big enough to
withstand a 2"
in the front gear but how have others closed it out to keep it from
being a "drag".
Al Stills'
N625AZ
Hi Al,
In my case I'm doing part of a little trick that Bob Berube told me about and
part what I've seen on production aircraft with cooling issues. I've put in a
removable bulkhead behind where the nosegear leg exits in the tunnel, angled
forward, negating the need for the stainless sheet on the front of the gear
frame. This will allow for more air to exit the engine compartment through the
hole in the belly where the nosegear leg exits and will hopefully lead to a
cooler engine if extended ground running is necessary, i.e., while waiting for
takeoff clearance, etc. Bob says they've employed this on several Europas that
have passed through Flight Crafters and have all but eliminated overheating
issues they face in sunny Florida.
Building on Bob's suggestion, my plan is to fabricate a cowl flap to cover
the hole where the nosegear leg exits. This will be hinged on the front edge and
controlled by a cable and knob in the cockpit. This way I'll be able to open
the flap on the ground when additional cooling flow is needed and close it in
flight to reduce the drag. I'll probably make an oval shaped hole in the flap
to allow room for the gear leg to move around and for the flap to open and
close without hitting the gear leg. The plan is to use Lycra to close off the
area between the gear leg and the hole in the cowl flap as neatly as possible to
clean it up even further.
I'm about to start on the cowl flap, so I'll let you know how it goes.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Wet sanding my bottom (fuselage, that is))
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
John
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther back
into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a grit
of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help?
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Paul Stewart wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
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>I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a grit
>of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help?
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>G-GIDY
>
>
>
>
Paul,
I used 100 grit to scuff the gelcoat, then applied the primer over that,
sanding afterwards with 120, followed by 240. Smooth as a baby's butt. :)
--
Jeff - A055
N55XS
Radio and Intercom tested 5 x 5...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hi Paul,
I used 180 grit to rough all jell coating before primer. Can't say how
the paint looks yet but the primer then was final sanded with a 400
grit and it looks great.
Jeff
A258
On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a
> grit
> of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Al,
If you line the tunnel area and the installed bulkhead surrounding the gear
leg with the firewall 2000 ceramic blanket part#FW2000 at Aircraft Spruce,
this should give you more protection than the stainless firewall that has a
number of holes due to rudder cables, etc. The blanket is stainless steel
with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and keeps
fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is completely
sealed.
Bob
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Stills
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" <astills@senecawholesale.com>
John
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther
back into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Bob,
I wasn't aware of the "blanket" being available. Thanks for the info, I'll
look into it.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Bob (Or anyone else)
Do you know of anyone in this hemisphere with a mono trailer for sale?
Many thanks for leads.
Tom A079 XSMono Jab/Airmaster getting close
beecho@beecho.org
805 460 9690
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
--> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Al,
If you line the tunnel area and the installed bulkhead surrounding the gear
leg with the firewall 2000 ceramic blanket part#FW2000 at Aircraft Spruce,
this should give you more protection than the stainless firewall that has a
number of holes due to rudder cables, etc. The blanket is stainless steel
with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and keeps
fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is completely
sealed.
Bob
Flight Crafters
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Stills
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills"
--> <astills@senecawholesale.com>
John
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther
back into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> The blanket is stainless steel
> with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and
keeps
> fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is
completely
> sealed.
>
> Bob
> Flight Crafters
>
I'll even propose that one need not fuss excessively over fire
protection to merely protect the occupants, though obviously
important. This blanket should be enough, I'd say. However, the
further issue is how long the plane will remain flyable in the event
of a serious fire in the engine compartment.
What I think is more important is design and installation of
appropriate things such that the risk of fire is extremely remote.
The Rotax installation has several shortcomings in this regard, I
believe, and I doubt Europa has tested it as FAA requires -- an
in addition to no burn-through of firewall barrier material -- since
it appears they require for composite aircraft that the test be
performed while subject to dynamic loads and moving air inside the
cowling expected in flight.
A recent example of what I'm referring to is found in the following
accident (Stemme motorglider with Rotax engine):
http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?ev_id=20010717X01444&ntsbno=CHI01LA216&akey=1
What's noteworthy, in addition to similar faults in the Europa Rotax
installation, is the few number of minutes for the fire to spread in a
composite aircraft. There was also a tragic accident here (near my
house!) where a Cessna 310 caught fire on departure, and the guy
needed only to get back down from maybe 2,000' AGL over flat terrain.
This is a metal airplane, not a plastic one of course, and an
emergency descent in a 310 can be real quick if need be, but it took
too long.
Reg,
Fred F.
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