---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/24/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides (MICHAEL PARKIN) 2. 05:37 AM - RE : SV: Fitting Cowl (mau11) 3. 05:37 AM - RE : SV: Fitting Cowl (mau11) 4. 09:03 AM - Closing up (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 5. 09:28 AM - Re: Closing up (Al Stills) 6. 10:46 AM - Re: Doors (Paul Stewart) 7. 11:18 AM - Re: Doors (N55XS) 8. 11:20 AM - Re: Doors (JEFF ROBERTS) 9. 03:35 PM - Re: Closing up (Robert Berube) 10. 03:50 PM - Re: Closing up (astills) 11. 04:31 PM - Re: Closing up () 12. 07:34 PM - Re: Closing up (Fred Fillinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:15 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Steady there Nev!! You know full well you can tell a Yorkshireman anywhere, you just can't tell him much. regards, Mike YLOFFCAW Yorkshire Liberation Organisation for Flat Caps and whippets. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bonding CS14 Brackets to Fuselage sides > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > Hi John, > All is well in deepest Yorkshire [ apart from the bl**dy Yorkshiremen !] > Aeropoxy is fine over fibreglass / wood / steel. It works well over Alloy, > just my personal preference to put Redux over alloy. > Cheers, > Nev. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:35 AM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: RE : SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl --> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" Hi all, I search a navaid servo second hand crank or capstan. --|-- --------(*)-------- Michel AUVRAY -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Envoy : mardi 23 novembre 2004 21:12 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : SV: SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" --> >Sorry Svein, >I meant to say from the flange as Andy indicated. I just measured mine >and it's 5 mm from the spinner to the cowl. It's a little tight when >your removing the cowls but the fit looks really good. Hope this helps. >Jeff Thank you very much for clearing this up so quickly, Jeff, and for taking the trouble to measure the clearance. Happy building - firewall forward sure beats doing wing layups! Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:35 AM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: RE : SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl --> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" Hi all, I search a navaid servo second hand crank or capstan. --|-- --------(*)-------- Michel AUVRAY -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Envoy : mardi 23 novembre 2004 21:12 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : SV: SV: Europa-List: Fitting Cowl --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" --> >Sorry Svein, >I meant to say from the flange as Andy indicated. I just measured mine >and it's 5 mm from the spinner to the cowl. It's a little tight when >your removing the cowls but the fit looks really good. Hope this helps. >Jeff Thank you very much for clearing this up so quickly, Jeff, and for taking the trouble to measure the clearance. Happy building - firewall forward sure beats doing wing layups! Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:09 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 11/24/2004 2:58:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > Subject: Europa-List: Closing up For the Tri gear builders, how have you closed the front opening on the bottom around the front wheel. I know the opening has to be big enough to withstand a 2" in the front gear but how have others closed it out to keep it from being a "drag". Al Stills' N625AZ Hi Al, In my case I'm doing part of a little trick that Bob Berube told me about and part what I've seen on production aircraft with cooling issues. I've put in a removable bulkhead behind where the nosegear leg exits in the tunnel, angled forward, negating the need for the stainless sheet on the front of the gear frame. This will allow for more air to exit the engine compartment through the hole in the belly where the nosegear leg exits and will hopefully lead to a cooler engine if extended ground running is necessary, i.e., while waiting for takeoff clearance, etc. Bob says they've employed this on several Europas that have passed through Flight Crafters and have all but eliminated overheating issues they face in sunny Florida. Building on Bob's suggestion, my plan is to fabricate a cowl flap to cover the hole where the nosegear leg exits. This will be hinged on the front edge and controlled by a cable and knob in the cockpit. This way I'll be able to open the flap on the ground when additional cooling flow is needed and close it in flight to reduce the drag. I'll probably make an oval shaped hole in the flap to allow room for the gear leg to move around and for the flap to open and close without hitting the gear leg. The plan is to use Lycra to close off the area between the gear leg and the hole in the cowl flap as neatly as possible to clean it up even further. I'm about to start on the cowl flap, so I'll let you know how it goes. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Wet sanding my bottom (fuselage, that is)) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up From: "Al Stills" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" John Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther back into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out. Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:41 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a grit of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help? Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:53 AM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Paul Stewart wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > >I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a grit >of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help? > >Regards > >Paul > >G-GIDY > > > > Paul, I used 100 grit to scuff the gelcoat, then applied the primer over that, sanding afterwards with 120, followed by 240. Smooth as a baby's butt. :) -- Jeff - A055 N55XS Radio and Intercom tested 5 x 5... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:10 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Doors --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hi Paul, I used 180 grit to rough all jell coating before primer. Can't say how the paint looks yet but the primer then was final sanded with a 400 grit and it looks great. Jeff A258 On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > > I asked a short while ago if anyone could advise me on how coarse a > grit > of paper to abrade the gel coat before painting - can anyone help? > > Regards > > Paul > > G-GIDY > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:05 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Al, If you line the tunnel area and the installed bulkhead surrounding the gear leg with the firewall 2000 ceramic blanket part#FW2000 at Aircraft Spruce, this should give you more protection than the stainless firewall that has a number of holes due to rudder cables, etc. The blanket is stainless steel with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and keeps fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is completely sealed. Bob Flight Crafters -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Stills Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" John Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther back into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out. Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:44 PM PST US From: "astills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" Bob, I wasn't aware of the "blanket" being available. Thanks for the info, I'll look into it. Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:49 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi Bob (Or anyone else) Do you know of anyone in this hemisphere with a mono trailer for sale? Many thanks for leads. Tom A079 XSMono Jab/Airmaster getting close beecho@beecho.org 805 460 9690 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" --> Al, If you line the tunnel area and the installed bulkhead surrounding the gear leg with the firewall 2000 ceramic blanket part#FW2000 at Aircraft Spruce, this should give you more protection than the stainless firewall that has a number of holes due to rudder cables, etc. The blanket is stainless steel with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and keeps fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is completely sealed. Bob Flight Crafters -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Stills Subject: RE: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" --> John Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop farther back into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out. Al Stills N625AZ advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:09 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > The blanket is stainless steel > with ceramic and backed with aluminum. Makes good insulation and keeps > fumes, etc. from entering the cockpit as the tunnel area is completely > sealed. > > Bob > Flight Crafters > I'll even propose that one need not fuss excessively over fire protection to merely protect the occupants, though obviously important. This blanket should be enough, I'd say. However, the further issue is how long the plane will remain flyable in the event of a serious fire in the engine compartment. What I think is more important is design and installation of appropriate things such that the risk of fire is extremely remote. The Rotax installation has several shortcomings in this regard, I believe, and I doubt Europa has tested it as FAA requires -- an in addition to no burn-through of firewall barrier material -- since it appears they require for composite aircraft that the test be performed while subject to dynamic loads and moving air inside the cowling expected in flight. A recent example of what I'm referring to is found in the following accident (Stemme motorglider with Rotax engine): http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?ev_id=20010717X01444&ntsbno=CHI01LA216&akey=1 What's noteworthy, in addition to similar faults in the Europa Rotax installation, is the few number of minutes for the fire to spread in a composite aircraft. There was also a tragic accident here (near my house!) where a Cessna 310 caught fire on departure, and the guy needed only to get back down from maybe 2,000' AGL over flat terrain. This is a metal airplane, not a plastic one of course, and an emergency descent in a 310 can be real quick if need be, but it took too long. Reg, Fred F.