---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/25/04: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/24/04 (Graham Singleton) 2. 04:14 AM - Closing up (Graham Singleton) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Europa Fatality? (M.J. Gregory) 4. 10:24 AM - Re: Closing up (Kingsley Hurst) 5. 01:45 PM - Pop rivets (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 6. 02:22 PM - Giving Thanks? I'm just a big coolant turkey. (Steve Hagar) 7. 07:46 PM - MAndatory Service Bulletin (Dave Anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:00 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/24/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 24/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Closing up >From: "Al Stills" > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Al Stills" > >John >Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop >farther back >into the cavity. Let me know how it comes out. > >Al Stills >N625AZ So am I, the tunnel is not fire proof. Probably wise to add stainless to the sides of the tunnel in front of the bulkhead Graham ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:56 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 24/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" >Bob, >I wasn't aware of the "blanket" being available. Thanks for the info, I'll >look into it. >Al Stills >N625AZ Neither was I! Thanks for that Bob Graham ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:23 AM PST US From: "M.J. Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Fatality? --> Europa-List message posted by: "M.J. Gregory" Hello Mark, Following your question, I made inquiries of Alex Kaarsberg in Brazil. He told me that: "They are 99% certain it was an accident provoked by running out of fuel when circling to land. It is believed they stalled and fell into trees and that it was the fall from the tree that killed one and left the other without any memory of the accident or the time leading up to it. They had taken of from another airport where there was a strike in the fuel depot and there was no fuel found in the tank that survived the fall. The deceased was an icon in the Brazilian GA world and nobody can believe he would get caught out in a situation like that, but it looks like that is what happened, Murphy lurks even in the best families. There will not be an official inquiry as it was an ultralight, but the factfinding has still taken place all the same." I am sure we are all saddened to learn of this tragedy - thank you for bringing it to the notice of the forum. Fly safely, Mike Mike Gregory Europa Club Safety Officer --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I was reading a feature on the Falco website (www.seqair.com) and was surprised by what it said. http://www.seqair.com/Falco/FalcoPeople/Almeida/Almeida.html << I am very sorry to report that the Brazilian aviation writer Fernando Almeida died as a result of an aircraft accident on July 5, 2003 at 10:30 AM at Jundiai, about 50 km from Sao Paulo. Also in the aircraft was Fernando Del Nero Landi who is reported to be in very serious condition. The aircraft is reported as a Europa PU-LAN.>> Does anyone have any details of the cause? Also how Fernando Del Nero Landi is doing? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:02 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Fair enough Fred, don't disagree with you at all mate. There are two things I hope I never experience in flight, structural failure and fire. Apart from being caused by a mid air collision, I'm not at all worried about the Europa falling apart so I'm still left with 'fire'. So what do you propose we can do about it in practical terms? Apart from good housekeeping and vigilance, the main thing I intend doing is making a cowl flap that can be fairly well closed up to limit the flow of air. Just how hard this will be I don't know yet. Regards Kingsley > I'll even propose that one need not fuss excessively over fire > protection to merely protect the occupants, though obviously > important. This blanket should be enough, I'd say. However, the > further issue is how long the plane will remain flyable in the event > of a serious fire in the engine compartment. > > What I think is more important is design and installation of > appropriate things such that the risk of fire is extremely remote. > The Rotax installation has several shortcomings in this regard, I > believe, and I doubt Europa has tested it as FAA requires -- an > in addition to no burn-through of firewall barrier material -- since > it appears they require for composite aircraft that the test be > performed while subject to dynamic loads and moving air inside the > cowling expected in flight. > > A recent example of what I'm referring to is found in the following > accident (Stemme motorglider with Rotax engine): > > http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?ev_id=20010717X01444&ntsbno=CHI01LA216&a key=1 > > What's noteworthy, in addition to similar faults in the Europa Rotax > installation, is the few number of minutes for the fire to spread in a > composite aircraft. There was also a tragic accident here (near my > house!) where a Cessna 310 caught fire on departure, and the guy > needed only to get back down from maybe 2,000' AGL over flat terrain. > This is a metal airplane, not a plastic one of course, and an > emergency descent in a 310 can be real quick if need be, but it took > too long. > > Reg, > Fred F. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:19 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Pop rivets --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" I am preparing to install Southco quarter-turn fasteners in the cowls, according to Europa Club Mod No. 10405. It turns out that I do not have long enough pop rivets to fix the receptacles. The mod instruction mentions "AAC-32, AAC-34 AAC-36 or similar short, medium and long 3/32" pop rivets." Should be countersunk rivets. I have TAPK 36 BS countersunk rivets (6.0 mm length), but they are some 2 mm short. I admit I don't know much about rivet sizes, but cannot find anything close to the required length - or the mentioned AAC rivets - in the catalogues of ACS, Wicks or Light Aero. Can anyone please guide to me to suitable rivets, and where they can be procured (in Europe or in the U.S.)? Regards, Svein K. Johnsen A225 - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:26 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Giving Thanks? I'm just a big coolant turkey. 4.08 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" I just finished putting in that $25 a gallon coolant that Rotax is now requiring. Of course the only way to get the old stuff out is to pull out the radiator and sploose it all over the garage floor. It only took most of the day to remove and replace the beast. Am I thankful that job is over. Now I just have to mop up the blood and anti-freeze off of the floor. Has anybody welded some drain plugs in their radiators? Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:46 PM PST US From: "Dave Anderson" Subject: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" I just complied with the Rotax mandatory service bulletin by replacing my coolant with the new NPG+ coolant - waterless. The concept is simple - the coolant now has a boiling point of 375 degrees F so there is no possibility of boiling over should the CHTs approach the 275 degree F limit. I have three flight with it now and I can say that the temps are running warmer than they have in the past. I am not sure this is a good thing, since it is now winter and the air temp is cool. I suppose I will see what happens when we warm up again. My engine monitor reads about 10 degrees high, so I am seeing 240 degrees where I would normally see about 230 in climb. The CHTs also seem to come up faster taxiing out, but the oil temp doesn't warm up any faster. Has anyone used this coolant yet? In the process of replacing the fluid, I removed my exhaust system (914) and found that my exhaust leak may have been coming from the flange where the exhaust goes into and out of the turbo. I have carefully planed those surfaces and reassembled it. I have had no CO detected in the cockpit since then and will be looking at the area around the turbo to see if there is any more evidence of leakage there. Dave A227 Mini U2 276 hours TT