---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/26/04: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: MAndatory Service Bulletin (Gilles Thesee) 2. 01:17 AM - Re: Pop Rivets (p-a.austin) 3. 02:10 AM - Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com) 4. 02:26 AM - List Contributors Lagging By 38%... (Matt Dralle) 5. 06:57 AM - ELT use in UK (Gerry Holland) 6. 07:04 AM - Closing up (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 7. 07:22 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (Paul McAllister) 8. 08:39 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (Stephan Cassel) 9. 09:30 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (Gerry Holland) 10. 09:31 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com) 11. 09:47 AM - AW: Gear retraction problem (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 12. 11:01 AM - Re: AW: Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com) 13. 12:43 PM - Re: ELT use in UK (Fergus Kyle) 14. 12:47 PM - europa parts for sale. (david ormus55) 15. 01:13 PM - Re: MAndatory Service Bulletin (Steven Pitt) 16. 01:27 PM - Re: ELT use in UK (Gerry Holland) 17. 02:17 PM - Evans Cooling Fluid.. (MICHAEL PARKIN) 18. 02:58 PM - Re: Evans Cooling Fluid.. (Tony Krzyzewski) 19. 03:26 PM - Re: europa parts for sale. (Duncan McFadyean) 20. 03:37 PM - Rotax Service Bulletin (Richard Holder) 21. 03:46 PM - Re: europa parts for sale. (david ormus55) 22. 03:50 PM - Painting the tunnel? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 23. 04:32 PM - Re: europa parts for sale. (david ormus55) 24. 06:10 PM - Re: Gear retraction problem (Steve Hagar) 25. 06:30 PM - 914 cooling shroud? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 26. 06:35 PM - Heavy Duty starter? (Ronald J. Parigoris) 27. 06:46 PM - Re: 914 cooling shroud? (Steve Hagar) 28. 06:50 PM - Re: MAndatory Service Bulletin (Kevin Klinefelter) 29. 07:26 PM - [ Fred R. Klein ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 30. 10:24 PM - Re: Gear retraction problem (JR (Bob) Gowing) 31. 11:11 PM - Re: Rotax Service Bulletins (R.C.Harrison) 32. 11:33 PM - Re: Evans Cooling Fluid.. (RoddyEuropa@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:08 AM PST US From: "Gilles Thesee" Subject: Re: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles Thesee" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" > > I just complied with the Rotax mandatory service bulletin by replacing my coolant with the new NPG+ coolant - waterless. The concept is simple - the coolant now has a boiling point of 375 degrees F so there is no possibility of boiling over should the CHTs approach the 275 degree F limit. I have three flight with it now and I can say that the temps are running warmer than they have in the past. I am not sure this is a good thing, since it is now winter and the air temp is cool. I suppose I will see what happens when we warm up again. My engine monitor reads about 10 degrees high, so I am seeing 240 degrees where I would normally see about 230 in climb. The CHTs also seem to come up faster taxiing out, but the oil temp doesn't warm up any faster. > Dave, Do you know what the OAT was ? Thanks Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:18 AM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Pop Rivets --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" In the Catalogue ACS under Hardware (HA) look under Cherry N Rivets, about 2/3rds down the column under the heading Cherry N Rivet Identification Code is all the information you need, in my book it's page 97. Regards Peter #198 > I admit I don't know much about rivet sizes, but cannot find anything close > to the required length - or the mentioned AAC rivets - in the catalogues of > ACS, Wicks or Light Aero. > > Can anyone please guide to me to suitable rivets, and where they can be > procured (in Europe or in the U.S.)? > > Regards, > Svein K. Johnsen > A225 - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:24 AM PST US From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is hitting the tunnel wall when the wheel is nearly fully retracted. The answer is to rotate the brake caliper 90 degrees, which is where it used to be before Europa changed the design. However, this will require one of the old style brake torque plates, and the factory has not got those any more. Andy Draper advises against the alternative of drilling another hole in the existing torque plate - apparantly stress analysis has shown that the torque plate could fail. I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to the new design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. Does anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that they would be willing to let me have? The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is hitting the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or outboard (where it will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had similar problems. Any views on which is the best solution? John Heykoop XS Monowheel Kit 536 G-JHKP ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:29 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: List Contributors Lagging By 38%... --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 38%! I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-) Please remember that its solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too. Won't you please take a moment to make a contribution today in support of the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already made their generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: ELT use in UK From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland UK Question. Am I right in thinking that an ELT install in a UK PFA Aircraft is not allowed. I have an Ameri-King AK450 Dual Frequency Kit purchased whilst in USA on the basis it was a safety investment. If the answer is No then look out for it on eBay. Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:45 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Closing up --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/2004 2:58:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > Thanks for the suggestion. I'm a little leery of moving the firestop > farther back > into the cavity. Hi Guys, Sorry, I should have mentioned that I do intend to line the area in the tunnel forward of the new bulkhead with fireproof insulating blanket in lieu of the stainless firestop, along with the forward side of the firewall and footwells ....... Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Wet sanding my bottom (fuselage, that is)) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:23 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" John, I put a bulge in my tunnel to clear the brake caliper. You need to be aware that as the brake pads wear the caliper will move closer to the wall, so make allowance for that when you make the bulge. Graham Singleton related a story about his gear hanging up due to this problem and he had to pull a few G's to shake it loose. As far as the tire hitting the top, I think someone posted a modification on http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ that described a stop to prevent this from happening. Paul > I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is hitting > the tunnel wall when the wheel is nearly fully retracted. > > The tyre is hitting the main brake cylinder, > John Heykoop > XS Monowheel Kit 536 G-JHKP ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:59 AM PST US From: "Stephan Cassel" Subject: RE: Europa-List: ELT use in UK --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" Hi In Norway it is mandatory Regards, Stephan #556 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland Subject: Europa-List: ELT use in UK --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland UK Question. Am I right in thinking that an ELT install in a UK PFA Aircraft is not allowed. I have an Ameri-King AK450 Dual Frequency Kit purchased whilst in USA on the basis it was a safety investment. If the answer is No then look out for it on eBay. Regards Gerry Europa 384 G-FIZY Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. PSS AoA Fitted. http://www.g-fizy.com Mobile: +44 7808 402404 WebFax: +44 870 7059985 gnholland@onetel.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELT use in UK From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Stephan Hi! > In Norway it is mandatory I wonder why!! So..... If a visiting UK Registered or PFA Aircraft visits Norway does it have to comply also? Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:35 AM PST US From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 26/11/04 15:23:31 GMT Standard Time, paul.mcallister@qia.net writes: > I put a bulge in my tunnel to clear the brake caliper. Paul, thanks for that suggestion. I'll be doing the same if I can't get a brake torque plate that enables me to turn the caliper by 90 degrees. > As far as the tire hitting the top, I think someone posted a modification > on > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ that described a stop to prevent this from > happening. > Sorry Paul, I should have made it clear that my problem is different. The tyre hits the brake master cylinder just before I have full gear retraction. My only option is therefore to move the brake master cylinder upwards or outboard. Why I should be having this problem is a bit of a mystery. Andy thinks that possibly the swinging arm may be slightly out of alignment with the centre line. John Heykoop XS Monowheel kit 536 G-JHKP ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:40 AM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" John, > I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to the new design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. Does anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that they would be willing to let me have? I have an old style plate - do you still need one? Alfred Alfred Buess Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2004 11:10 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is hitting the tunnel wall when the wheel is nearly fully retracted. The answer is to rotate the brake caliper 90 degrees, which is where it used to be before Europa changed the design. However, this will require one of the old style brake torque plates, and the factory has not got those any more. Andy Draper advises against the alternative of drilling another hole in the existing torque plate - apparantly stress analysis has shown that the torque plate could fail. I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to the new design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. Does anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that they would be willing to let me have? The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is hitting the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or outboard (where it will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had similar problems. Any views on which is the best solution? John Heykoop XS Monowheel Kit 536 G-JHKP ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:27 AM PST US From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com In a message dated 26/11/04 17:48:52 GMT Standard Time, ykibuess@bluewin.ch writes: > I have an old style plate - do you still need one? > Alfred Yes please! I'll contact you off forum. John Heykoop ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:36 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELT use in UK --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" stick it in, Gerry. Can't you always turn it off? Does the AK450 have voice capability? Ferg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Holland" Subject: Europa-List: ELT use in UK | --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland | | UK Question. | | Am I right in thinking that an ELT install in a UK PFA Aircraft is not | allowed. | | I have an Ameri-King AK450 Dual Frequency Kit purchased whilst in USA on the | basis it was a safety investment. | | If the answer is No then look out for it on eBay. | | Regards | | Gerry | | Europa 384 G-FIZY | Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop. | Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. | PSS AoA Fitted. | | http://www.g-fizy.com | Mobile: +44 7808 402404 | WebFax: +44 870 7059985 | gnholland@onetel.com | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:57 PM PST US From: david ormus55 Subject: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. --> Europa-List message posted by: david ormus55 Hi all, Hope you dont mind me posting here, let me know if theres a problem, and I will remove this post. I have some Europa parts for sale. Tail section done and signed off. Wings nearly finished. All docs and manuals. Selling on behalf of a friend, who has emigrated, (job). 8000 value for 2000 GBP. FOB Manchester UK. see here for photos and contact details. http://www.worldisround.com/home/ormus/index.html Many thx. Regards David --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:05 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" Who is responsible for bringing Service Bulletins to our attention? The factory? Rotax? I do look at the website every so often but I have already missed 2 bulletins by being out of time. It is a good job I am not flying yet! Steve Pitt #403 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Anderson" Subject: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" > > I just complied with the Rotax mandatory service bulletin by replacing my coolant with the new NPG+ coolant - waterless. The concept is simple - the coolant now has a boiling point of 375 degrees F so there is no possibility of boiling over should the CHTs approach the 275 degree F limit. I have three flight with it now and I can say that the temps are running warmer than they have in the past. I am not sure this is a good thing, since it is now winter and the air temp is cool. I suppose I will see what happens when we warm up again. My engine monitor reads about 10 degrees high, so I am seeing 240 degrees where I would normally see about 230 in climb. The CHTs also seem to come up faster taxiing out, but the oil temp doesn't warm up any faster. > > Has anyone used this coolant yet? > > In the process of replacing the fluid, I removed my exhaust system (914) and found that my exhaust leak may have been coming from the flange where the exhaust goes into and out of the turbo. I have carefully planed those surfaces and reassembled it. I have had no CO detected in the cockpit since then and will be looking at the area around the turbo to see if there is any more evidence of leakage there. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > 276 hours TT > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELT use in UK From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland Ferg Hi! Hope I find you well! > stick it in, Gerry. Can't you always turn it off? Good point. > Does the AK450 have voice capability? Yes. It's a neat Unit and easy to keep serviceable. Kindest Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:13 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Subject: Europa-List: Evans Cooling Fluid.. --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" COMPULSORY COOLANT CHANGE ???? Unless I am missing something, the change to EVANS fluid is only required if you have cooling issues with your engine installation. (See extracts below) page 10-7 of Operating Manual Rev 3, dated Jul 01/2004. NOTE: Depending on the installation circumstances (max.cylinder head temperature reached). Convnetional coolant can also be ussed. For this purpose, see the flight manual of the aircraft manufacturer. page 32A of Rotax 914 installation manual. dated Jul 01/2004 The coolant to be used is defined clearly in the Operators Manual. Depending on the installation conditions, conventional coolants can also be used. The provision of proof about max. reachable cylinder head temperature and the the coolant to be used is the responsibility of the airplane manufacturer in regard to 12.2.1 and 12.2.2. (The operating limits.) As over-cooling is a bigger problem than overheating in my aircraft, buying this expensive fluid seems a waste of money. Furthermore, what about all the aircraft that have been flying for years, that suddenly can't fly without this expensive stuff. Is there a rotax percentage in here somewhere. Are people knee-jerking here or, am I completely out to lunch!! (Believable) regards, Mike (G-JULZ) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Evans Cooling Fluid.. From: "Tony Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" COMPULSORY COOLANT CHANGE ???? On September 13th Rotax issued Service Bulletin #29 which mandated a change to Evans Coolant within the next 100 hours and no later than December 31st 2004. On September 15th the following Notice was issued. THIS DOCUMENT IS GENERAL IN NATURE AND IS NOT INTENDED TO REPLACE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE SERVICE BULLETINS. ALL OWNERS, OPERATORS AND MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL SHOULD OBTAIN AND CAREFULLY REVIEW THE FULL TEXT OF THE SERVICE BULLETIN AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTATION. SELECTING COOLANT TYPE FOR 912 / 914 SERIES ENGINES: When determining the type of engine coolant to be used (standard glycol / water mixture or Evans waterless coolant), all owners and operators of Rotax 912 / 914 series aircraft engines should carefully review the appropriate sections of the revised Installation manuals. The latest revisions of the Installation manuals set out new LOWER maximum allowable CHT temperature limits for engines using conventional water / glycol coolant. When considering the use of conventional water / glycol coolant, owners and operators, as well as aircraft designers and manufacturers must insure that the new LOWER maximum CHT limits will not be exceeded. In installations where engine cylinder head temperatures may exceed the new lower limits set out for conventional coolants, Evans waterless coolant must be used. Once again use of conventional water / glycol coolant is only recommended if engine cylinder head temperatures will never exceed the new lower values set out in the latest revisions of the engine installation manuals. In all other cases Evans waterless coolant MUST be used. Replacement pages required to update existing engine installation manuals to the latest version may be download from: www.rotax-owner.com/manualrev/10_11_2004/mrSB9_043_029.htm Regards Tony ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:55 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I'm interested. Can you confirm please: tri gear or mono. the Factory serial number for this kit, whether the construction has been signed off by a PFA Inspector whether the vendor would be prepared to sell me the wings (incl. flaps and ailerons) only. viewing arrangements. Regards, Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david ormus55" Subject: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. > --> Europa-List message posted by: david ormus55 > > Hi all, > Hope you dont mind me posting here, let me know if theres a problem, and I will remove this post. > > I have some Europa parts for sale. Tail section done and signed off. Wings nearly finished. All docs and manuals. > Selling on behalf of a friend, who has emigrated, (job). > > 8000 value for 2000 GBP. > FOB Manchester UK. > see here for photos and contact details. > http://www.worldisround.com/home/ormus/index.html > Many thx. > Regards > David > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:25 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Service Bulletin From: Richard Holder --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > > Who is responsible for bringing Service Bulletins to our attention? The > factory? Rotax? I do look at the website every so often but I have already > missed 2 bulletins by being out of time. It is a good job I am not flying > yet! > Steve Pitt #403 You can sign up for the Rotax bulletins to be notified to you by email. www.rotax-owner.com Sometimes you get the same thing twice ! However as I understand it some of the "mandatory" bulletins do not apply to homebuilts if you use the uncertified engines. It is certainly sensible to comply but it is not compulsory. Rotax have an amazing system for numbering their SB & SI. Or rather they don't ! Each time one arrives it seems to follow a different naming convention. Not logical at all ! AND : One of the most recent SB's was the one associated with oil filters. Firstly they announced that all filters installed between date X and date Y have to be checked before the next flight. Then they issued another saying (correctly) that it was filters SOLD between date X and date Y that had to be checked. The stated gap was to be at least 20 thousandths of an inch. Now they have issued number 3 (even though it is NOT called issue number 3 on it !) which has changed the minimum gap to 8 thousandths. I don't know if the (original) German SB has come out in 3 versions, but this smacks of inefficiency ! There has been another Service Letter which points to every which possibility to explain difficulty of starting of the 912S. But it didn't include suggestion that the Heavy Duty starter would solve the problem. Indeed all these SB & SI allocate all the blame towards the users and away from Rotax. There was a SI notifying us of the existence of the HD starter but without admitting the need for it. Maybe in some installations with short battery runs and a lightweight propeller the 912S starts every time with the standard starter. But it didn't in mine (with the battery in the back and the Airmaster prop). Without any real information mine blew its sprag clutch and changing it and the starter motor cost me 1100 (at only 100 hours). I have said before that the HD starter motor will fit the Europa and can be fitted without removing the engine - if you have the XS firewall forward kit - engine mounts and stuff). In fact the sprag clutch can be changed in situ also. The engine has to come out to change the sprag clutch if you have a classic firewall forward, and (apparently) the HD starter won't fit in the classic fwf. I have a classic fuselage (kit 51) but the fwf is XS. Phew ! Anyone who is about to buy a classic fwf should NOT buy a 912S, go for the 912 or the 914. If you going for a 912S in an XS fwf installation specify the HD starter when ordering the engine. It is only about 70 extra if you buy it instead of the standard starter. (It cost me 300 outright !- Anyone want to buy a little used standard starter - offers ?) Sorry to go on about this but I was well p*ssed off with Rotax about this. I have other, minor grievances, which I would repeat off-list. These are all criticisms of the Austrian end of the business, not the UK side. Richard Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk ++++++++ Please note new email address ++++++++ Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:25 PM PST US From: david ormus55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. --> Europa-List message posted by: david ormus55 hi duncan, i can get the serial number for you. give me a few days. im sure the vendor will sell the wings alone. make an offer please? as far as i know, the parts fit both trigear or monowheel? (let me know if different?) the tail section was signed off by an official inspector. regards david Duncan McFadyean wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I'm interested. Can you confirm please: tri gear or mono. the Factory serial number for this kit, whether the construction has been signed off by a PFA Inspector whether the vendor would be prepared to sell me the wings (incl. flaps and ailerons) only. viewing arrangements. Regards, Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david ormus55" Subject: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. > --> Europa-List message posted by: david ormus55 > > Hi all, > Hope you dont mind me posting here, let me know if theres a problem, and I will remove this post. > > I have some Europa parts for sale. Tail section done and signed off. Wings nearly finished. All docs and manuals. > Selling on behalf of a friend, who has emigrated, (job). > > 8000 value for 2000 GBP. > FOB Manchester UK. > see here for photos and contact details. > http://www.worldisround.com/home/ormus/index.html > Many thx. > Regards > David > > > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:24 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Painting the tunnel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Have those who have done this, have you painted the tunnel before or after installing the Undercarriage Mounting Frame? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 PM PST US From: david ormus55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa parts for sale. --> Europa-List message posted by: david ormus55 Hi, Just remembered, if the wings/tail are different for each type of gear, then im fairly sure he was building a trigear fuselage. (to be confirmed). Hope this helps? regards David. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:47 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" John: Your problem is tpical my tire hit the master cylinder also. I raised the assembly up slightly. The bulge I made is only about a half an inch high and is very countoured. It looks like it was made to be there. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 11/26/2004 3:10:00 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com > > I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is hitting > the tunnel wall when the wheel is nearly fully retracted. The answer is to > rotate the brake caliper 90 degrees, which is where it used to be before Europa > changed the design. However, this will require one of the old style brake > torque plates, and the factory has not got those any more. Andy Draper advises > against the alternative of drilling another hole in the existing torque plate - > apparantly stress analysis has shown that the torque plate could fail. > > I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to the new > design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. Does > anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that they would > be willing to let me have? > > The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is hitting > the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The > alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or outboard (where it > will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had similar > problems. Any views on which is the best solution? > > John Heykoop > XS Monowheel Kit 536 G-JHKP > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:32 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: 914 cooling shroud? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" I have read in the past that there is an extra cooling shroud that can be installed on each cylinder of the 912S. That shroud I think fits the 914, is it something desirable to install on a 914? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:58 PM PST US From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" Subject: Europa-List: Heavy Duty starter? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" I know that on a 912S install it is a very desirable thing to install the Heavy Duty starter. I know the 914 is lower compression and less displacement, but is it worth it to order the 914 with a Heavy Duty starter? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:49 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 cooling shroud? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Ron: I related that question to John Hurst at one time and he noted that wasn't something that had any benefits for the Europa. Steve Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Ronald J. Parigoris > To: > Date: 11/26/2004 7:30:23 PM > Subject: Europa-List: 914 cooling shroud? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" > > I have read in the past that there is an extra cooling shroud that can be installed on each cylinder of the 912S. > > That shroud I think fits the 914, is it something desirable to install on a 914? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:22 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Hey Dave, Where do you get this "new NPG+ coolant"? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Anderson Subject: Europa-List: MAndatory Service Bulletin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" I just complied with the Rotax mandatory service bulletin by replacing my coolant with the new NPG+ coolant - waterless. The concept is simple - the coolant now has a boiling point of 375 degrees F so there is no possibility of boiling over should the CHTs approach the 275 degree F limit. I have three flight with it now and I can say that the temps are running warmer than they have in the past. I am not sure this is a good thing, since it is now winter and the air temp is cool. I suppose I will see what happens when we warm up again. My engine monitor reads about 10 degrees high, so I am seeing 240 degrees where I would normally see about 230 in climb. The CHTs also seem to come up faster taxiing out, but the oil temp doesn't warm up any faster. Has anyone used this coolant yet? In the process of replacing the fluid, I removed my exhaust system (914) and found that my exhaust leak may have been coming from the flange where the exhaust goes into and out of the turbo. I have carefully planed those surfaces and reassembled it. I have had no CO detected in the cockpit since then and will be looking at the area around the turbo to see if there is any more evidence of leakage there. Dave A227 Mini U2 276 hours TT --- --- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:50 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: [ Fred R. Klein ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Fred R. Klein Subject: Europa Wingtip Lighting Covers http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/fklein@orcasonline.com.11.26.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:39 PM PST US From: "JR (Bob) Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" John Have you checked that your tyre is aligned with the centreline of the fuselage? ie tailwhwheel lines up with the grooves in the tyre? J R (Bob) Gowing, UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" > > John, > > > I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to > the new > design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. > Does > anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that > they would > be willing to let me have? > > I have an old style plate - do you still need one? > > Alfred > > > Alfred Buess > Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland > Tel.: +41 (0)31 911 63 32, Fax: +41 (0)31 911 56 32 > E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch > Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS > > > -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von > JohnDHeykoop@aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2004 11:10 > An: europa-list@matronics.com > Betreff: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com > > I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is > hitting > the tunnel wall when the wheel is nearly fully retracted. The answer is > to > rotate the brake caliper 90 degrees, which is where it used to be before > Europa > changed the design. However, this will require one of the old style > brake > torque plates, and the factory has not got those any more. Andy Draper > advises > against the alternative of drilling another hole in the existing torque > plate - > apparantly stress analysis has shown that the torque plate could fail. > > I understand from Andy that a number of people have changed over to the > new > design, which has put the brake caliper in line with the swinging arm. > Does > anyone still have an old style brake torque plate kicking around that > they would > be willing to let me have? > > The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is > hitting > the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The > alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or > outboard (where it > will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had > similar > problems. Any views on which is the best solution? > > John Heykoop > XS Monowheel Kit 536 G-JHKP > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:53 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax Service Bulletins --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Richard/all I just have to make one of my general notes of observation here......as you are aware I had to replace piston rings and reseat valves on my Jabiru 3300 at 450 hours which initiated some bemused comments in comparison to Rotax. These present Rotax items of discontent go quite a way to ease my conscience over my choice of the Jabiru. I guess it's the whole picture which is the ultimate consideration for initial purchase decisions. Then having made that choice you are stuck with it warts and all. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:54 PM PST US From: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Evans Cooling Fluid.. --> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Mike Overcooling is also more of a problem for me, except for very long ground running times. But I expect that this coolant will help out here. It has a higher boiling point, but lower heat capacity. Therefore it won't boil over, but I would expect the engine to run hotter. BTW - anyone know if/where you can get the stuff in the UK? Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK In a message dated 26/11/2004 22:18:04 GMT Standard Time, mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com writes: As over-cooling is a bigger problem than overheating in my aircraft, buying this expensive fluid seems a waste of money. Furthermore, what about all the aircraft that have been flying for years, that suddenly can't fly without this expensive stuff. Is there a rotax percentage in here somewhere. Are people knee-jerking here or, am I completely out to lunch!! (Believable) regards, Mike (G-JULZ)