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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Evans Cooling Fluid.. (Gerry Holland)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (Stephan Cassel)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (Gerry Holland)
4. 06:57 AM - The cooling deal (Dave Anderson)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: ELT use in UK/Norway (R.C.Harrison)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: ELT use in UK/Norway (Gerry Holland)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: The cooling deal (Kevin Klinefelter)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
9. 10:39 AM - Cold temperature Operations (Steve Crimm)
10. 11:01 AM - Re: The cooling deal (Steve Hagar)
11. 11:41 AM - Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists (Matt Dralle)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists (Brad Newell)
13. 12:08 PM - Contacting the New Europa (Fred R. Klein)
14. 01:15 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
15. 03:05 PM - Re: The cooling deal (MICHAEL PARKIN)
16. 03:42 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (astills)
17. 04:19 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa & Plexi Source (rlborger)
18. 05:24 PM - main gear interference (Graham Singleton)
19. 05:29 PM - coolant AD (Graham Singleton)
20. 05:34 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
21. 05:48 PM - Re: main gear interference (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
22. 05:57 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (astills)
23. 06:11 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
24. 06:25 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Robert Berube)
25. 08:29 PM - wires to the control stick (Kevin Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: Evans Cooling Fluid.. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Roddy Hi!
Regards
Gerry
>
> BTW - anyone know if/where you can get the stuff in the UK?
See below and note Website. The Supplier is in London.
Gearfox Ltd
Charter House, 106 Baker Street
Marylebone
LONDON
W1U 6TW
+44 (0) 207 7486 1970
Or info@gearfox.co.uk
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From: "info @ gearfox.co.uk" <info@gearfox.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Evans Cooling NPG+
Thank you for your enquiry with reference to your request for more details
about the supply, price, availability and other details for Evans NPG+
cooling fluid.
Apologies for the short delay in responding to this but as you can imagine
since you received the notification from Rotax, the demand has been
substantial for this product. Currently neither I nor the other European
distributor have available stock. However we expect to receive shipments in
the next 2-4 weeks from when we can make this available to you. We have both
ordered considerable stock so there should be plenty for every one who needs
it. Let me know how you want to arrange delivery.
Both Renox, the other European distributor based in Italy, and ourselves
worked hard with Rotax to test the fluid and we are delighted to be able to
offer this as a solution to what might appear to be a problem for a
considerable number of our clients.
Renox and ourselves have been carrying this fluid for some time and we have
been selling this mainly to the automotive sector (high performance, racing
and valuable older cars) although we have had some customers in industrial
environments. Indeed we have had significant demand from users of solar
heating systems, which have traditionally used water as the medium of heat
transfer. In all these environments, use of Evans NPG+ has resulted in less
boil over and increased system efficiency. However we have not had much
demand in the UK for the solar heating applications surprise surprise!
Evans NPG+ Cooling Fluid is imported from the US and comes in 1 US gallon
containers and is boxed in quantities of 4 gallons. For those of you who
need the conversion this equates to 3.78 litres.
The rrp has been set at 30 per US gallon. However we have made a concession
to all Rotax users in an agreement with Rotax and we are pricing this to you
at 27.50. We can supply this from either depot and will charge post/courier
charges plus 5 packing for supplies less than 1 box (4 US Gallons). The
price will be subject to change of currency exchange rates but will be held
until January 2005.
Payments are acceptable by cheque and we will be seeking to establish a
credit card payment scheme over the next couple of weeks.
Currently we have 2 depots stocking the Evans cooling fluid at centres in
London and Berkshire. Over the next 2-3 weeks whilst we wait for the stock
to arrive, we will be looking to extend the number of stockists to try to
ensure an even distribution.
Best wishes
Dan Sargent
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Gerry,
>So..... If a visiting UK Registered or PFA Aircraft visits Norway does
it
>have to comply also?
I don't think so. It is very hard to believe that it is not allowed in
UK.
It may save your life if you "buy the farm" (so they say in US). So even
if you have to pay a fine afterwards it is worth it.
Regards
Stephan
Stephan Hi!
> In Norway it is mandatory
I wonder why!!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: ELT use in UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Stephan Hi!
> I don't think so. It is very hard to believe that it is not allowed in
> UK.
Exactly. Even more confusing as we live in a complete Nanny state and also
some good Tax revenue could be made from it.
> It may save your life if you "buy the farm" (so they say in US). So even
> if you have to pay a fine afterwards it is worth it.
So your advice.... Ask forgiveness not permission.
It's how I run my life so I dont why I asked!
Thanks for comments.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | The cooling deal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
OK, Here is the deal:
The temps were about sixties F. I got the fluid from www.evanscooling.com. If the issue of the price of the coolant that will be added and kept in the airplane is a factor, one might not consider flying as a recreation. The cost is a drop in the bucket. The reason they are lowering the max CHT limit is because with water in there, it is possible to boil the coolant before reaching your CHT limit now - a highly undesirable condition. In normal ops, I do not get over about 245 degrees F with the fluid now. In flying, the concern should be non normal ops. We have had a Europa crash due to high coolant temps during taxi out and then taking off, resulting in a boil over, explosion of the overflow coolant bottle (not vented well, resulting in the problem - later fixed by another SB) and fluid coming over the windshield, engine failure and you can figure the rest. To me having the option to take the CHT all the way up to 275F without concern about the coolant is a very valuable feature - it has a boiling point of 375F. The claim is that there is better cooling due to no hot spots va[osizing the water, but that doesn't seem to be what I am seeing right now. If anything, it seems to be running warmer.
There is a reason they put out this service bulletin. If the cooling is effective
enough for warm weather, I will be very happy to have it in there to have the
piece of mind of not dealing with cooling system boiling. The additional cost
to fill with this fluid vs. normal fluid is about $15 - hardly a factor in
my plans for retirement. The biggest issue for me is having to carry a supply
of the fluid on a trip in case of needing to top off the system.
A point of interest - the fluid I removed looked as clean as the day I put it in
there after 260 hours of engine running time.
Dave
A227
mini U2
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| Subject: | ELT use in UK/Norway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Stephan/ Gerry.
The requirement for an ELT on a visiting homebuilt wasn't enforced
during my visits to Norway and that was after needing written
authorisation to fly in their airspace. However I can well understand
that it would be very intelligent to use one. So much of their terrain
is remote and hostile and even flight planning uses the general
description "coastwise" flying down their coast, believe me there is no
where to land except the major published airfields all about 200nm
apart! Were the "donkey" to stop it would be safer to ditch than try to
make a landing. They even refuse flight plans further than 100NM from
land leaving their coast without an onboard dinghy. Flight planning and
clearance for every flight is compulsory. Shetland was 198nm from
Bergen and just complied with their regulation without a dinghy.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephan
Cassel
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| Subject: | Re: ELT use in UK/Norway |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Bob Hi!
> The requirement for an ELT on a visiting homebuilt wasn't enforced
> during my visits to Norway and that was after needing written
> authorisation to fly in their airspace.
Many Thanks for citing the situation.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | The cooling deal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Thanks Dave
I got the fluid from www.evanscooling.com
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Anderson
Subject: Europa-List: The cooling deal
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| Subject: | Re: Gear retraction problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 27/11/04 06:25:41 GMT Standard Time, gowingjr@acr.net.au
writes:
> Have you checked that your tyre is aligned with the centreline of the
> fuselage? ie tailwhwheel lines up with the grooves in the tyre?
>
Bob
Yes, I rechecked this morning, and the alignment is correct. So I don't
really understand why I should be having this problem. My fuselage is one of the
batch in which the metal reinforcement insert for the bottom tube of the landing
frame was in the wrong place, so my theory is that the guys making the
fuselage were having an off day and got the dimensions of the tunnel slightly wrong
as well.
Fortunateluy there is a solution: a bulge housing for the main brake
cylinder, and turning the brake caliper by 90 degrees.
John
XS Monowheel kit 536 G-JHKP
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| Subject: | Cold temperature Operations |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Flight,
Knowing that there are Europa's flying in the cold north of Norway, when I
say cold when I really mean cool 40F. My aircraft that I purchased, was
born and lived in Florida till just recently. Now that it lives in Atlanta,
Georgia it will be flying in cooler weather. Yesterday as I was beating the
air into submission I noticed that my ailerons were hitting a bump when I
passed through the neutral position. Once on the ground I found that the
outboard portion of the aileron was rubbing against the outboard portion of
the trailing edge of the wing. When I got the aircraft home and in the
garage where it warmed up, the gap between the aileron and trailing edge had
opened up allowing free travel. Today I pushed it out in the cold while
still on the trailer and it did the same thing.
Obviously the fix is to sand a larger gap between the two.
Has anyone ever noticed this or any other kind of contraction due to
temperature in your aircraft and are there any other surprises to expect.
Thanks
Steve Crimm
N15JN
A058
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| Subject: | The cooling deal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Dave;
I guess I should have bitched more at the $11.00 it cost to have it
delivered to the house. . . . Jeeze!!
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Anderson <dja767@charter.net>
> To: <jas56d@msn.com>; Clary, George <georgec@sncorp.com>
> Date: 11/27/2004 7:56:58 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: The cooling deal
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
>
> OK, Here is the deal:
>
> The temps were about sixties F. I got the fluid from
www.evanscooling.com. If the issue of the price of the coolant that will be
added and kept in the airplane is a factor, one might not consider flying
as a recreation. The cost is a drop in the bucket. The reason they are
lowering the max CHT limit is because with water in there, it is possible
to boil the coolant before reaching your CHT limit now - a highly
undesirable condition. In normal ops, I do not get over about 245 degrees F
with the fluid now. In flying, the concern should be non normal ops. We
have had a Europa crash due to high coolant temps during taxi out and then
taking off, resulting in a boil over, explosion of the overflow coolant
bottle (not vented well, resulting in the problem - later fixed by another
SB) and fluid coming over the windshield, engine failure and you can figure
the rest. To me having the option to take the CHT all the way up to 275F
without concern about the coolant is a very valuable fe!
> ature - it has a boiling point of 375F. The claim is that there is better
cooling due to no hot spots va[osizing the water, but that doesn't seem to
be what I am seeing right now. If anything, it seems to be running warmer.
>
> There is a reason they put out this service bulletin. If the cooling is
effective enough for warm weather, I will be very happy to have it in there
to have the piece of mind of not dealing with cooling system boiling. The
additional cost to fill with this fluid vs. normal fluid is about $15 -
hardly a factor in my plans for retirement. The biggest issue for me is
having to carry a supply of the fluid on a trip in case of needing to top
off the system.
>
> A point of interest - the fluid I removed looked as clean as the day I
put it in there after 260 hours of engine running time.
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
>
>
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| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send
another set in a couple of days.
Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few
days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like
support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few
days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the
last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time!
Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The list is still my favorite aviation magazine.
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I have made some great friends, because of it!
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Great resource!!
Richard S.
I learn something of value every time I read the messages.
Stan S.
Great list!
Thomas E.
Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back
and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists].
Jeff O.
Outstanding site and administration.
Anthony S.
Great forum for our projects.
Darrel M.
I have become a List Addict!
George M.
A very helpful resource for me.
Dennis K.
Great for staying up on the latest.
Forrest L.
Valuable benefit for the users.
George A.
Great tool for all [builders].
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Can't tell you how much I appreciate the archives.
Ken B.
I really enjoy the sharing of information and the "discussions" that come up.
Ross S.
[The List] reminds us home builders that help is just a few clicks away.
Danny W.
A great resource!
Christopher S.
Always a pleasure to support this list!
Richard W.
Thanks for helping all of us build better aircraft.
John P.
Great list(s)for data, info and making friends.
John S.
[The] List has helped me much with my building process.
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brad Newell" <wendigo@olympus.net>
No picture...probably my spam blocker.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Europa-List: Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send
another set in a couple of days.
Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few
days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like
support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few
days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the
last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time!
Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
----------------- More of What Listers Are Saying... --------------------
Every morning 5:30 am, coffee and the "List". It's how I start my day.
Robert G.
The list is still my favorite aviation magazine.
Roger H.
Great resource, without the distraction of pop ups and ads!
Douglas D.
I look forward to my daily list reading almost as much as my coffee!
Hal K.
Great service!
Aaron G.
I have made some great friends, because of it!
Bob D.
Great resource!!
Richard S.
I learn something of value every time I read the messages.
Stan S.
Great list!
Thomas E.
Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back
and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists].
Jeff O.
Outstanding site and administration.
Anthony S.
Great forum for our projects.
Darrel M.
I have become a List Addict!
George M.
A very helpful resource for me.
Dennis K.
Great for staying up on the latest.
Forrest L.
Valuable benefit for the users.
George A.
Great tool for all [builders].
Tony M.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate the archives.
Ken B.
I really enjoy the sharing of information and the "discussions" that come
up.
Ross S.
[The List] reminds us home builders that help is just a few clicks away.
Danny W.
A great resource!
Christopher S.
Always a pleasure to support this list!
Richard W.
Thanks for helping all of us build better aircraft.
John P.
Great list(s)for data, info and making friends.
John S.
[The] List has helped me much with my building process.
Raimo T.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
I'm looking for an email address for Europa 2004 as part of a search to
acquire my missing windshield & side windows. Does anyone have an address?
I also recall a discussion of the possibility of ordering direct from the US
supplier of these components, but I believe we (collectively) concluded that
until the dust settled w/ the new company, there were legal/contractual
issues which would prevent us from doing so. Has anyone successfully
acquired new windshield/windows since the demise of EMIL?..if so, how?
Is anyone else in need of these parts?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Fred,
From what I have seen there are many others in this boat with us.
Could we get some feedback from the "new" Europa as to when these items
could be made available?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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| Subject: | Re: The cooling deal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Dave,
Don't particularly disagree with any of your points. However, the point I
was making was that the use of Evans Cooling fluid is not strictly
MANDATORY.
Regards,
Mike.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: The cooling deal
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
> There is a reason they put out this service bulletin. If the cooling is
> effective enough for warm weather, I will be very happy to have it in
> there to have the piece of mind of not dealing with cooling system
> boiling. The additional cost to fill with this fluid vs. normal fluid is
> about $15 - hardly a factor in my plans for retirement. The biggest issue
> for me is having to carry a supply of the fluid on a trip in case of
> needing to top off the system.
>
> A point of interest - the fluid I removed looked as clean as the day I put
> it in there after 260 hours of engine running time.
>
>
> Dave
> A227
> mini U2
>
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| Subject: | Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Mike & others
As far as I know you'll have to call them. The web site and E-mail is not up
and (as far as I know) there is no representation in the US yet. Don't know
if any is in the works now or not.
Last I talked to them they were still saying there were announcements in all
the magazines about the new company. Haven't seen a single one here in the
US. This is one of the main reasons I
went with the Jabriu set up. There are some small things I need but don't
have to rely on the factory for anything. They told me they were shipping FF
foreward but haven't heard from anyone in the US who has gotten yet or
ordered for that matter. I would think setting up a way for your customers
to get hold of you easily would be one of the first things the new company
would do. Just my 2 cents worth.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa & Plexi Source |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Fred and others,
I haven't had any luck contacting Europa 2004. BUT, I have had luck
contacting individual subcontractors for various parts. WRT plexi
windscreen and windows for the Europa, you can contact George Mesiarik
at LP Aero Products ( george@lpaero.com and http://www.lpaero.com/ )
and he can provide you with a price list for Europa Plexi products and
options.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/N914XL
(75%) Work on hold while I accumulate $$ to purchase the plexi, prop
and other parts that I'll never get from EMIL or E(04). Meanwhile,
working on Instrument, Commercial, CFI & CFII ratings for potential
career change.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | main gear interference |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/11/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Why I should be having this problem is a bit of a mystery. Andy thinks that
>possibly the swinging arm may be slightly out of alignment with the centre
>line.
>
>John Heykoop
John
could it be your gear mount weldment is not symmetrically installed? Start
by checking that, then work downstream to find what caused the problems.
Friend of mine just alleviated his similar calliper problem by softening
the tunnel with a hot air gun and bulging it out to clear, but also cut a
slot in the thigh support to allow the tunnel side to move out a bit, then
did the simple repair to restore the strength of the assembly
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/11/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>As over-cooling is a bigger problem than overheating in my aircraft,
>buying this
>expensive fluid seems a waste of money. Furthermore, what about all the
>aircraft
>that have been flying for years, that suddenly can't fly without this
>expensive stuff. Is there a rotax percentage in here somewhere.
>
>
>Are people knee-jerking here or, am I completely out to lunch!! (Believable)
>
>regards,
>
>Mike (G-JULZ)
Mike
I'm glad someone has the patience and sufficient effective short term
memory to logically assess these ADs, know what I mean ?{{:-)
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 27/11/04 23:43:08 GMT Standard Time, astills@cox.net
writes:
> As far as I know you'll have to call them. The web site and E-mail is not
> up
> and (as far as I know) there is no representation in the US yet. Don't know
> if any is in the works now or not.
>
Al and others
The e-mail has been up for some time now. Try john@europa-aircraft.com for
sales, roger@europa-aircraft.com for spares or andy@europa-aircraft.com for
technical queries.
I have ordered parts from the new Europa company twice and on both occasions
I got them within two days. Far better service than I ever had from the old
Europa company!
John Heykoop
XS Monowheel kit 536 G-JHKP
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| Subject: | Re: main gear interference |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 28/11/04 01:25:34 GMT Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
> could it be your gear mount weldment is not symmetrically installed? Start
> by checking that, then work downstream to find what caused the problems.
> Friend of mine just alleviated his similar calliper problem by softening
> the tunnel with a hot air gun and bulging it out to clear, but also cut a
> slot in the thigh support to allow the tunnel side to move out a bit, then
> did the simple repair to restore the strength of the assembly
Graham
Thanks for those suggestions. Using a hot air gun is a novel approach I had
not considered. I did check the gear mount weldment and it is symmetrically
installed.
John
XS Monowheel kit 536 G-JHKP
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| Subject: | Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
John
I've tried the e-mail and have been returned every time. As far as receiving
orders in 2 days, try that from the US. Last I heard (from the factory) they
were going to ship into Norfolk VA. and was our responsibility from there
on. don't get me wrong, I think it's great they're taking care of their
"local" guys, but it still leaves a lot to be desired on this side of the
pond.
Al Stills
N625NZ
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
I can tell you folks that E04 is up and running. They are a bit short staffed
at this time but are responsive.
I have ordered all missing components for my ship < including glass> and one
or two mods. All parts were in stock in the UK and will be in a container to
the US for December delivery.
E mail Andy at:
andy@europa-aircraft.com
Hope this helps.
Brian S
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| Subject: | Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Just a bit of info on shipments from the UK to the US. There is a shipment
of FWF kits and other parts due to leave the UK next week. Their e-mail is
working but perhaps better to call or fax directly. The numbers are the
same as well as the e-mail. For orders it is best to talk to Roger and it
may not be too late to get your orders on this shipment.
Regards,
Bob
Flight Crafters
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of astills
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Mike & others
As far as I know you'll have to call them. The web site and E-mail is not up
and (as far as I know) there is no representation in the US yet. Don't know
if any is in the works now or not.
Last I talked to them they were still saying there were announcements in all
the magazines about the new company. Haven't seen a single one here in the
US. This is one of the main reasons I
went with the Jabriu set up. There are some small things I need but don't
have to rely on the factory for anything. They told me they were shipping FF
foreward but haven't heard from anyone in the US who has gotten yet or
ordered for that matter. I would think setting up a way for your customers
to get hold of you easily would be one of the first things the new company
would do. Just my 2 cents worth.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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| Subject: | wires to the control stick |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi All
To run wiring to the top of the control sticks, do I need to drill a hole in
the CS01 control column bottom fitting? How have others routed these wires?
Thanks, Kevin
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