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1. 12:51 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: wires to the control stick (R.C.Harrison)
3. 02:56 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (nigel charles)
4. 02:56 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (nigel charles)
5. 03:09 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
6. 03:21 AM - Re: ELT use in UK (Gerry Holland)
7. 03:52 AM - Europa Club Events for 2005 (bryan allsop)
8. 04:52 AM - Re: Europa Club Events for 2005 (Gerry Holland)
9. 05:25 AM - Carburetter heating Rotax 912S (Sven den Boer)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: Gear retraction problem (Robert Berube)
11. 07:59 AM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Rowland Carson)
12. 08:32 AM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (N55XS)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: wires to the control stick (N55XS)
14. 09:29 AM - RE : Carburetter heating Rotax 912S (mau11)
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Europa Club Events for 2005 (nigel charles)
16. 10:57 AM - Re: wires to the control stick (Kevin Klinefelter)
17. 11:23 AM - Re: Carburetter heating Rotax 912S (Carl Pattinson)
18. 01:24 PM - Re: Carburetter heating Rotax 912S (Alan Stewart)
19. 02:26 PM - Re: Gear retraction problem (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
20. 03:27 PM - UK parts suppliers / Tow bars (Peter Rees)
21. 05:29 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Lmorgan822@aol.com)
22. 05:59 PM - Re: UK parts suppliers / Tow bars (Richard Holder)
23. 06:03 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Richard Holder)
24. 07:11 PM - Re: coolant AD (Steve Crimm)
25. 07:52 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (JEFF ROBERTS)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: UK parts suppliers / Tow bars (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Re: Gear retraction problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> John Heykoop wrote:-
> I have got the main gear in now, but find that the brake caliper is
hitting . . . . .
> The tyre is hitting the main brake cylinder . . . . . .
John,
I am wondering if your undercarriage frame is perfectly square to the
centreline of the aircraft.
I would firstly do the following check :-
Assuming your fuselage is in a jig and level both ways especially across
ways, mark a centre line on the floor by dropping a Plumb Bob down from the
Cross Hatch marks at the front and rear of the bottom of the fuselage and
marking these positions on the floor. Using these marks as the reference
and a chalk string line, mark the projected centreline on the floor. Now
lower your undercarriage to see if the centre of the tyre aligns with the
marked centreline.
If it doesn't, I'd suggest you seek help from Andy.
If it does, then there is one other thing I can suggest assuming you have a
Carlisle Tyre supplied by Europa. Purchase a 700 X 6 X 4ply Condor aircraft
tyre. Remarkably, this tyre is actually 15mm BIGGER in diameter than the
800 X 6 Carlisle and more importantly, 20 mm narrower. This tyre is also
much firmer in the walls, stands up better and as well as giving better
clearance on the brake master cylinder, gives much better clearance on the
brake caliper.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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| Subject: | wires to the control stick |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Kevin
Yes, but remember seven things:-
1) drill at a suitable angle to help you run the wires.
2) drill at a point with little movement (near the pivot)
3) drill at a point still in the greater cross-sectional thickness.
4) drill below the inserted top tube of the stick
5) keep the hole as small as possible.
6) use heat shrink to sheath the wires from chafing.
7) ensure you route the wires suitably first time.
Stick top controls of flaps (for trike) and trim leave one hand free for
other duties. But you really need to make a flip over cover to stop the
weight of charts changing your settings in flight or awaiting departure
!
I recall there is a picture on the web page for my a/c
http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/europa.htm
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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Klinefelter
Subject: Europa-List: wires to the control stick
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi All
To run wiring to the top of the control sticks, do I need to drill a
hole in
the CS01 control column bottom fitting? How have others routed these
wires?
Thanks, Kevin
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| Subject: | Gear retraction problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is
hitting
the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The
alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or
outboard (where it
will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had
similar
problems. Any views on which is the best solution?<
Using a different tyre will help. The combination of a slightly narrower
tyre with a stronger sidewall improves clearance from the csliper. The
standard tyre is a golf buggy tyre but the alternative (the name of
which escapes me)is a proper aviation tyre which will take much more
loading with less distortion.
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Am I right in thinking that an ELT install in a UK PFA Aircraft is not
allowed.<
I think you are right. However you are still allowed to carry a handheld
ELT which is what I do across the water. At least with the handheld if
your aircraft should sink after a ditching you still have your location
aid. Be under no illusion it can be very difficult for the rescue
services to see you if there is only your head sticking out the water.
Your biggest risk with a ditching is not surviving the water landing it
is hypothermia afterwards therefore a location aid is essential. When I
did search training in C130's it is possible to miss seeing a 26 man
liferaft if the sea conditions are anything but calm.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Gear retraction problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
In a message dated 28/11/04 08:52:06 GMT Standard Time,
hurstkr@growzone.com.au writes:
> I would firstly do the following check :-
>
> Assuming your fuselage is in a jig and level both ways especially across
> ways, mark a centre line on the floor by dropping a Plumb Bob down from the
> Cross Hatch marks at the front and rear of the bottom of the fuselage and
> marking these positions on the floor. Using these marks as the reference
> and a chalk string line, mark the projected centreline on the floor. Now
> lower your undercarriage to see if the centre of the tyre aligns with the
> marked centreline.
Kingsley
Many thanks for your advice. Following suggestions from others I had already
checked that the landing gear frame was symmetrically installed and that the
landing gear swinging arm was central in the tunnel. However, I have this
morning carried out the further check youi suggest and this has confirmed that
the
tyre aligns exactly with the centreline.
>
> If it does, then there is one other thing I can suggest assuming you have a
> Carlisle Tyre supplied by Europa. Purchase a 700 X 6 X 4ply Condor aircraft
> tyre. Remarkably, this tyre is actually 15mm BIGGER in diameter than the
> 800 X 6 Carlisle and more importantly, 20 mm narrower. This tyre is also
> much firmer in the walls, stands up better and as well as giving better
> clearance on the brake master cylinder, gives much better clearance on the
> brake caliper.
>
I can see the attractions of a thinner tyre. It would certainly give much
better clearance on the brake master cylinder and the brake caliper. But I am a
bit worried about the 15mm bigger diameter. There is already very little
clearance between the tyre and the flap push rod, and with a bigger diameter tyre
this could become a problem.
Regards
John
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| Subject: | Re: ELT use in UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Nigel Hi!
> I think you are right. However you are still allowed to carry a handheld
> ELT which is what I do across the water. At least with the handheld if
> your aircraft should sink after a ditching you still have your location
> aid. Be under no illusion it can be very difficult for the rescue
> services to see you if there is only your head sticking out the water.
> Your biggest risk with a ditching is not surviving the water landing it
> is hypothermia afterwards therefore a location aid is essential. When I
> did search training in C130's it is possible to miss seeing a 26 man
> liferaft if the sea conditions are anything but calm.
Thanks for the information. I'll go with portable ELT especially as they now
seem capable with GPS enablement and Tx/Rx capabilities.
The insight into Search visibility is taken on board.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Europa Club Events for 2005 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I am putting together a calendar of Europa Club events for next year. If anyone
has it in mind to organise any trips, fly-ins, or meetings, would they let me
know please. Regardless of whether there are any fixed dates etc., or which
part of the world you may be in, it would be extremely helpful to know what you
may have in mind.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Bryan Allsop. Europa Club Events Co-coordinator
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Events for 2005 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
> I am putting together a calendar of Europa Club events for next year. If
> anyone has it in mind to organise any trips, fly-ins, or meetings, would they
> let me know please.
Bryan Hi!
No dates yet for 2005 but normally around 25th September.
Stadtlohn Vreden Air Show.
http://www.flugplatz-stadtlohn.de/
Bruno Reith invited us there this year to join local Europas. Went with
Paddy in G-KIMM and Richard also came across in G-RIKS.
Very welcoming. Great Airfield and a thoroughly pleasant trip of about 360NM
from Bath. Plenty of exhibits, Great food and local accommodation (Hotel)
superb. It's spitting distance of eastern Dutch Border.
Has Mogas on tap along with some other pleasant beverages!
For the USA Pilots I suggest allowing 3 days from the East Coast via
Greenland, Iceland and Scotland with the exception of Thomas Scherer who
will fly non-stop as it's Home!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Carburetter heating Rotax 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
So far I have been told that a 912S on an Europa does not require a car heater
due to several reasons.
Last week during an engine run up at the platform the engine quited due to......,
yep carb ice.
I have to say that the engine cowlings were not mounted at the time.
One of the fellow builders draw my attention to the heating kit CH-912-3 912 from
Skydrive.
Any help and comments are highly appreciated.
Cheers.
Sven den Boer
PH-SBR
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| Subject: | Gear retraction problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The tire we generally use is the McCreary 7:00 X 6 which generally gives
adequate clearance of the brake cylinder.
Bob
Flight Crafters
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gear retraction problem
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>The brake caliper is not my only gear retraction problem. The tyre is
hitting
the main brake cylinder, so I'll have to move that out of the way. The
alternatives are upwards (another bulge on top of the tunnel) or
outboard (where it
will restrict seat width). I believe some other builders have had
similar
problems. Any views on which is the best solution?<
Using a different tyre will help. The combination of a slightly narrower
tyre with a stronger sidewall improves clearance from the csliper. The
standard tyre is a golf buggy tyre but the alternative (the name of
which escapes me)is a proper aviation tyre which will take much more
loading with less distortion.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-11-27 12:08 -0800 Fred R. Klein wrote:
>I'm looking for an email address for Europa 2004
Fred - I know that Roger Bull's address <roger@europa-aircraft.com>
is working, as I have been in touch with him several times since
Europa 2004 emerged, assisting with address details for US builders
that they had lost touch with. I don't know if they have yet managed
to get a recent customer list from John Hurst. If anyone has any
influence with John Hurst, I believe they would be doing the rest of
the US Europa community a big favour if they could persuade John to
send a copy of the latest customer list he has over to Kirkbymoorside.
In this connexion, The Europa Club plans to send the next (Dec 2004)
issue of The Europa Flyer not just to Europa Club members, but to all
known Europa builders and pilots (according to the best information
available). Included in this one-off exercise will be information
direct from Kirkbymoorside. The Europa Club is doing this as a
gesture of support to Europa 2004. If by the end of January 2005
(which allows for all likely mail delays) you haven't received a copy
of The Europa Flyer, that most probably means that Europa 2004 do not
have your address. Contact Roger (or me, I pass updates to him) if
you think you have been "orphaned"!
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>I can tell you folks that E04 is up and running. They are a bit short staffed
>at this time but are responsive.
>I have ordered all missing components for my ship < including glass> and one
>or two mods. All parts were in stock in the UK and will be in a container to
>the US for December delivery.
>
>E mail Andy at:
>andy@europa-aircraft.com
>
>Hope this helps.
>Brian S
>
>
>
>
Speaking of the container, I have a nose gear and fork coming over.
Anyone know how we are to make arrangements for distribution when the
container hits the USA destination?
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: wires to the control stick |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Kevin
>Yes, but remember seven things:-
>1) drill at a suitable angle to help you run the wires.
>2) drill at a point with little movement (near the pivot)
>3) drill at a point still in the greater cross-sectional thickness.
>4) drill below the inserted top tube of the stick
>5) keep the hole as small as possible.
>6) use heat shrink to sheath the wires from chafing.
>7) ensure you route the wires suitably first time.
>
>Stick top controls of flaps (for trike) and trim leave one hand free for
>other duties. But you really need to make a flip over cover to stop the
>weight of charts changing your settings in flight or awaiting departure
>!
>
>
>
>
Kevin,
Bob is right on. My RC Allen is wired for trim and radio flip flop and
channel search. No problems with it, at all...
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Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Carburetter heating Rotax 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr>
Hello Sven I have 912 on my monowheel.
During 2 years I have a icing caburettor problems, one day I take a
decision to install skydrive heating kit. Now I have never icing problem
they are completely eredicates, I have now 150 hours with this system
and I am happy.
--|--
--------(*)--------
Michel AUVRAY
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De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sven den
Boer
Envoy : dimanche 28 novembre 2004 14:25
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : Europa-List: Carburetter heating Rotax 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
--> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
So far I have been told that a 912S on an Europa does not require a car
heater due to several reasons. Last week during an engine run up at the
platform the engine quited due to......, yep carb ice. I have to say
that the engine cowlings were not mounted at the time. One of the fellow
builders draw my attention to the heating kit CH-912-3 912 from
Skydrive. Any help and comments are highly appreciated.
Cheers.
Sven den Boer
PH-SBR
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| Subject: | Europa Club Events for 2005 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Brian
I will be running another fly-in here at Lydeway the same as this year.
I will only be able to decide a date once I have my summer leave but
will let you know as soon as I have it. I will have to limit it to about
10 aircraft.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | wires to the control stick |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Thanks for the info Bob and Jeff. Just wish I would have done this before I
"permanently" installed them.
Thanks again, Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N55XS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: wires to the control stick
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Kevin
>Yes, but remember seven things:-
>1) drill at a suitable angle to help you run the wires.
>2) drill at a point with little movement (near the pivot)
>3) drill at a point still in the greater cross-sectional thickness.
>4) drill below the inserted top tube of the stick
>5) keep the hole as small as possible.
>6) use heat shrink to sheath the wires from chafing.
>7) ensure you route the wires suitably first time.
>
>Stick top controls of flaps (for trike) and trim leave one hand free for
>other duties. But you really need to make a flip over cover to stop the
>weight of charts changing your settings in flight or awaiting departure
>!
>
>
Kevin,
Bob is right on. My RC Allen is wired for trim and radio flip flop and
channel search. No problems with it, at all...
--
Jeff A055
Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: Carburetter heating Rotax 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
We have flown our 912 Europa for 2 years and never experienced an icing
problem. Europa themselves have always maintained that the Classic (not sure
about XS) dosent suffer from carb icing (as far as they know !!!).
Having said that I intend to fit one when I can find time as ours is already
flying. We were advised that it was not necessary when we were building.
Considering the minimal additional cost involved I now believe it to be a
worthwhile mod, for peace of mind if nothing else. Just wish we had done
before we started flying.
My advice, fit one. You can never be too safe.
Carl
G-LABS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> --> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> So far I have been told that a 912S on an Europa does not require a car
> heater due to several reasons. Last week during an engine run up at the
> platform the engine quited due to......, yep carb ice. I have to say
> that the engine cowlings were not mounted at the time. One of the fellow
> builders draw my attention to the heating kit CH-912-3 912 from
> Skydrive. Any help and comments are highly appreciated.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Carburetter heating Rotax 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
I've been flying my Europa since 1996 and have never experienced carb
icing (or anything close) on my 'classic' with the venturi (cold air
box) mod.
I'm sure I've flown in conditions where icing might develop.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carburetter heating Rotax 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson"
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
We have flown our 912 Europa for 2 years and never experienced an icing
problem. Europa themselves have always maintained that the Classic (not
sure
about XS) dosent suffer from carb icing (as far as they know !!!).
Having said that I intend to fit one when I can find time as ours is
already
flying. We were advised that it was not necessary when we were building.
Considering the minimal additional cost involved I now believe it to be
a
worthwhile mod, for peace of mind if nothing else. Just wish we had done
before we started flying.
My advice, fit one. You can never be too safe.
Carl
G-LABS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer"
> --> <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
>
> So far I have been told that a 912S on an Europa does not require a
car
> heater due to several reasons. Last week during an engine run up at
the
> platform the engine quited due to......, yep carb ice. I have to say
> that the engine cowlings were not mounted at the time. One of the
fellow
> builders draw my attention to the heating kit CH-912-3 912 from
> Skydrive. Any help and comments are highly appreciated.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sven den Boer
> PH-SBR
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
Thanks to all those who responded to my emails about gear retraction
problems.
What a great list this is!
John Heykoop
XS Monowheel kit 536 G-JHKP
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| Subject: | UK parts suppliers / Tow bars |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Over the winter months, we intend to make a few mods to the panel of our now Tri-gear
Europa. Some of these mods will involve moving instruments which will in
turn require some of the wiring to be extended.
My understanding is that Tefzel covered wire is the favoured cable to use. While
this can be bought from RS, it only seems to come in reels of 100 metres and
at about =A370+vat a reel, works out quite expensive if you need several sizes.
Does anyone know of a location in the UK where this can be bought by the metre
(our US friends can buy it by the foot for next to nothing).
If I need to extend wiring within the panel does anyone have an opinion on they
best method - at the moment, I can only really think of hook type solder joints
with heatshrink applied over the joint or, some form of either single pole
or multi-pole crimp connectors.
Finally, I think I'm in for a telling off by our airfield manager as our aircraft
doesn't have a tow bar - How do other Tri gear owners get over this problem?
Thanks in anticipation
Peter
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| Subject: | Contacting the New Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
Maybe they could send my Phase II and III kits in this shipment. I already paid
for them.
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| Subject: | Re: UK parts suppliers / Tow bars |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Over the winter months, we intend to make a few mods to the panel of our now
> Tri-gear Europa. Some of these mods will involve moving instruments which will
> in turn require some of the wiring to be extended.
>
> My understanding is that Tefzel covered wire is the favoured cable to use.
> While this can be bought from RS, it only seems to come in reels of 100 metres
> and at about =A370+vat a reel, works out quite expensive if you need several
> sizes.
>
> Does anyone know of a location in the UK where this can be bought by the metre
> (our US friends can buy it by the foot for next to nothing).
Firstly - you should already use mil-spec (Tefzel) cabling - you shouldn't
just extend plastic insulated stuff with Tefzel.
Secondly, Light Aero sell it by the metre (a 1 or more even for the
smallest sizes)
Thirdly - why not buy it from the US. Aircraft Spruce have on-line sales.
Order it, whack in the Credit Card number and it arrives 10 -12 days later.
You _may_ get stuck with the VAT and a PO handling charge (4 or so) but it
is still FAR cheaper than buying it in this country. [Buy 20 feet of 22AWG
and it costs 11 a foot = 36 a metre = 19p a metre. 10% off for 100 feet or
more.
>
> If I need to extend wiring within the panel does anyone have an opinion on
> they best method - at the moment, I can only really think of hook type solder
> joints with heatshrink applied over the joint or, some form of either single
> pole or multi-pole crimp connectors.
My whole panel is lightly crimped (for location) and then soldered (for
mechanical and electrical strength). Other disagree but I don't believe a
crude clamping of thin wires is good mechanically or electrically :-) (We
have had this discussion on here before !) Only important thing is to hold
the connection in such a way that wicking up the cable of the solder is
reduced to a minimum. This can be helped by applying the solder to the
bare-end end of the cable rather than close to the insulation.
So my answer would be to solder on your extensions and then, yes, apply heat
shrink.
> Finally, I think I'm in for a telling off by our airfield manager as our
> aircraft doesn't have a tow bar - How do other Tri gear owners get over this
> problem?
What the H*LL has it to do with him ? Unless it is because he and his staff
find it difficult to move your aircraft around in your crowded hanger !
However for ease of use I am contemplating doing the following (but some
experiments may be necessary :
I plan to weld a 8mm (with generous shanked part) head to head with the 12mm
nosewheel bearing bolt. And put back on, with nosewheel spat off.
Then I was going to weld a piece of 10mm OD (8mm ID) rolled tube (say 100mm)
square on the end of a 15 mm square section tube about 800 mm long.
If the tube is pushed over the end of the bolt with about 40 mm or more
overlap it should be possible to apply some turning moment to the nosewheel
with the square section tube, with the wheel moving. I dunno how strong it
would be, it might need to be used only for direction with the prop used (as
usual) for applying forward and backwards motion. If it worked I would
probably fashion a handle on the end at 90 degrees to the main square
section bar.
If that worked then the 8 mm bolt could be shortened suitably. It couldn't
be too long otherwise you wouldn't get the spat back on. It will need a hole
anyway (11 mm ? But might need to be "persuaded" outwards when being
refitted if the 8 mm bolt was a bit long.
If this didn't work I have another idea to built a scissors type arrangement
which would grab on the bolt head on one side and the M12 nut on the other
side. This needs two holes in the spat.
However these are ideas - I haven't done anything with them yet. Dunno
whether the PFA would care about the extra bolt or the hole in the spat (or
the two extra holes)
I am not much good at metric so I hope I got the measurements right ! (Old
fart = imperial !). If my description leaves you cold - call me direct or
email direct !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
++++++++ Please note new email address ++++++++
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
>
> Maybe they could send my Phase II and III kits in this shipment. I already
> paid for them.
Have you paid Europa (2004) for Phases II & III ?
If you paid EMIL for them you will have to accept that you won't be getting
them ! Sorry - that's how it is.
Life is a bitch sometimes.
Richard
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Flight,
In reading the recent comments and all of the back and fourths just on the
subject of coolant it occurred to me that there is the need for more
clarification or understanding on AD's and mandatory bulletins. If nothing
else I need help with the deciphering.
Knowing that we have the desire to maintain our aircraft and components as
per the manufactures requirements and recommendations that there might an
opportunity for us as a group to gather our most knowledgeable to form a
review group for lack of a better name. The group would review/translate
the Ad's, bulletins, etc and make "suggestions" or "recommendations" to the
group. Knowing that our aircraft are registered in several countries with
the same amount of bureaucracies would also be a consideration.
Just a thought.
Steve Crimm
N15JN
A058
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: coolant AD
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
--> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/11/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>As over-cooling is a bigger problem than overheating in my aircraft,
>buying this
>expensive fluid seems a waste of money. Furthermore, what about all the
>aircraft
>that have been flying for years, that suddenly can't fly without this
>expensive stuff. Is there a rotax percentage in here somewhere.
>
>
>Are people knee-jerking here or, am I completely out to lunch!!
>(Believable)
>
>regards,
>
>Mike (G-JULZ)
Mike
I'm glad someone has the patience and sufficient effective short term memory
to logically assess these ADs, know what I mean ?{{:-) Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sorry Richard,
You may be right by what might follow in a court of law, should Mr
morgan take it that far, but your comments of how life is a bitch are
very much incorrect in my book. Good things happen to those people and
companies that do what's right. Many companies here in the US. such as
the new Glass Air did right by the people that we're due product
A little consideration for L. Morgan would be in order here. If the new
Europa wants the world to know they are in it for the builder/customer
Mr. Morgan should very soon here his kit is on the way. I for one would
not ever recommend a company that didn't care if a past customer got
screwed. Different company owners or not! Making good on old
commitments should have been part of the new business plan. It's part
of building a good reputation. Something the old Europa never thought
of. Hmmm I wonder why the didn't make it?
Jeff
A258
On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Richard Holder wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com
>>
>> Maybe they could send my Phase II and III kits in this shipment. I
>> already
>> paid for them.
>
> Have you paid Europa (2004) for Phases II & III ?
>
> If you paid EMIL for them you will have to accept that you won't be
> getting
> them ! Sorry - that's how it is.
>
> Life is a bitch sometimes.
>
> Richard
>
>
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| Subject: | UK parts suppliers / Tow bars |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Peter Rees wrote:-
> If I need to extend wiring within the panel does anyone have an
opinion on they best method - at the moment, I can only really think of
hook type solder joints with heatshrink applied over the joint or, some
form of either single pole or multi-pole crimp connectors.
Peter,
Try the following series of links for hints on joining wires by
soldering.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/PM_SS_Splice/PM_Solder_Sleeve_1.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/PM_SS_Splice/PM_Solder_Sleeve_2.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/PM_SS_Splice/PM_Solder_Sleeve_3.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/PM_SS_Splice/PM_Solder_Sleeve_4.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/PM_SS_Splice/PM_Solder_Sleeve_5.jpg
The 'PM' in the file name stands for "Poor Man's"
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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