---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/30/04: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:11 AM - More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! (Matt Dralle) 2. 02:51 AM - Re: nose wheel 9 KG force () 3. 04:07 AM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Trevpond@aol.com) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Fred Fillinger) 5. 05:55 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Gerry Holland) 6. 06:17 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Jeremy Davey) 7. 06:48 AM - Re: Windshield thickness (Gerry Holland) 8. 07:00 AM - Landing Light Outcomes (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 9. 07:51 AM - Re: Windshield Thickness (Shaun Simpkins) 10. 08:38 AM - Re: More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick) 11. 08:47 AM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (MICHAEL PARKIN) 12. 09:19 AM - Windshield thickness (Fred R. Klein) 13. 09:30 AM - Skydrive carb. heat kit (Roger Anderson) 14. 09:34 AM - Re: Landing Light Outcomes (Fred R. Klein) 15. 10:05 AM - Re: nose wheel 9 KG force (NevEyre@aol.com) 16. 10:23 AM - Re: Bengi tension (NevEyre@aol.com) 17. 10:43 AM - Re: Landing Light Outcomes (Kevin Klinefelter) 18. 11:01 AM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Paul McAllister) 19. 11:35 AM - Re: Skydrive carb. heat kit (Carl Pattinson) 20. 12:01 PM - FW: [jabiruengines] (R.C.Harrison) 21. 12:13 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (JEFF ROBERTS) 22. 02:31 PM - Re: Bengi tension (karelvranken) 23. 02:38 PM - Re: Bengi tension (karelvranken) 24. 03:05 PM - Re: Bengi tension (karelvranken) 25. 03:11 PM - Re: Bengi tension (Cliff Shaw) 26. 03:37 PM - Re: Bengi tension (Cliff Shaw) 27. 04:13 PM - Europa Classic Monowheel Project for Sale (Chuck Popenoe) 28. 04:51 PM - Re: nose wheel 9 KG force (steve v.) 29. 05:36 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (Jeremy Davey) 30. 07:48 PM - Re: Contacting the New Europa (JEFF ROBERTS) 31. 11:08 PM - Re:Gear retraction problem (p-a.austin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:26 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means two things... I'm 41 years old today - your sympathy is appreciated; and its the last official day of this year's List Fund Raiser!!! There is still plenty of time to make your Contribution to assure your place on the List of Contributors. Also, there are still lots of Contribution Gifts available including the very popular List Archive CDROM, Aircraft Fuel Tester, 24 Years of the RVAtor, and the very cool Kitlog Pro software! Below is another awesome set of comments from listers regarding how valuable the Lists are. Please read them over and make a Contribution to show your support for the Lists as well! The List Contribution web site can be found at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you!! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------ Even More of What Listers Are Saying... -------------- [The List] has been very helpful as I am building an RV7A. Stan B. Wonderful resource. Ralph C. I don't think I could be building my plane without the help I get from the list. Richard V. 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I check the List twice daily at least. Anthony W. Thank you for taking care of us all with these most important Lists. William M. The List is very valuable to me... Red H. Great web site!! Robert H. Thanks for giving me another year of learning. Larry M. I don't think I'd have been able to get my project airborne without it! Grant C. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: nose wheel 9 KG force --> Europa-List message posted by: Hi Steve, Simple, now your talking my kind of language. :-) I purchased a cheep hand held scales from Foxons, the local fisherman's store. I taped some string to the rear of the tyre attached the scales and pulled until the wheel moved, kept adjusting the nut until it just starts to move between 8-9 kg. Actually my scales are in lbs but easy to work out, Keep the scales handy as you will have to check the force periodically to avoid shimmying. Cheers Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "s.vestuti" Subject: Europa-List: nose wheel 9 KG force > --> Europa-List message posted by: "s.vestuti" > > > hello all , > i`ve recently fitted the nose wheel and main gear to the fuslage , and was just wandering if anyone has devised a simple method of setting the 8 - 9 KG force at the rear of the nose wheel for correct shimmy damping force. > thanks in advance, steve # 573 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:56 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com In a message dated 30/11/2004 04:11:50 GMT Standard Time, Lmorgan822@aol.com writes: Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com That WAS a nasty comment! I am sure you would feel differently if you had lost 22,000+ US! Anyone want to buy a beautifully finished and ready to paint Phase I kit? Glas-air DID do the right thing, and that is why I am now one of their customers. Well, I have watched and listened and finally have to comment: I was one of those badly affected by EMIL to the tune of approximately $20.000:00 and I am not complaining or howling about it!. Most of the $20,000:00 is parts that I have had to buy again by trawling the web and buying bits and pieces here and there from builders who had too much of one thing or another. I have also bought a FWF kit from Europa 2004 and it is sat in the garage waiting to be fitted. I speak as I find, and can only say good things about Europa2004; they have been prompt, genuinely tried to help and are working ridiculous hours to try and satisfy all builders past and present. You say that they should send out free parts etc to those who got their fingers burned by EMIL. I have never heard anything so silly: so let's say that you bought a business that had been closed, you are saying that you would give kits away to those affected. I don't think so, you would be out of business in a week!! It's time to stop the complaining and wish all those hardworking guys at Kirby Moorside the best of luck in their new venture and thank goodness that someone responsible is now running things to the benefit of all builders both old and new. Trev Pond kit 598 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:17 AM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Windshield thickness --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" Fred R. Klein wrote: > I've learned that > for an extra US$250.00, windshields of .250" acrylic are available > with an edge milled to conform to the rebate in the fuselage molding. > I'm wondering whether to pop for the extra bucks. (?) > ... > Has anyone had any experience w/ birdstrikes and .125" acrylic? > Having installed the .250" inch stuff on an AA-5, I can assure you it has little flexibility if a compound curve, so it better be molded perfectly in order to fit. I know also that birds have pierced this stuff too, so I went to the NTSB database to see what's there, and the first report was better yet. A bird pierced the fiberglass wing root fairing of an AA-5 at about 130mph, AND severed the fuel line inside there. This fiberglass is thicker than anywhere on the Europa, and the fuel line is 1/2" aluminum pipe! Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Windshield thickness From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > > Fred R. Klein wrote: > I know also that birds have pierced this stuff too, so I went to the > NTSB database to see what's there, and the first report was better > yet. A bird pierced the fiberglass wing root fairing of an AA-5 at > about 130mph, AND severed the fuel line inside there. This fiberglass > is thicker than anywhere on the Europa, and the fuel line is 1/2" > aluminum pipe! Fred Hi! and Thanks for that! In the West of England here they have reintroduced the 'Bustard'.... I did spell it right! It's a bird that can weigh up to 50 lbs....... and FLIES! It's alleged. Armour plating may be a safer option in this case! I see no reason why it shouldn't sport an anti-collision light or strobe! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:25 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Windshield thickness --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" What about Mode S, too??? Perhaps the Great Bustard is a blessing in disguise - we could argue to EASA that they don't carry Mode S, so why should we? :-) On second thoughts, maybe not... Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Europa-List: Windshield thickness --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > > Fred R. Klein wrote: > I know also that birds have pierced this stuff too, so I went to the > NTSB database to see what's there, and the first report was better > yet. A bird pierced the fiberglass wing root fairing of an AA-5 at > about 130mph, AND severed the fuel line inside there. This fiberglass > is thicker than anywhere on the Europa, and the fuel line is 1/2" > aluminum pipe! Fred Hi! and Thanks for that! In the West of England here they have reintroduced the 'Bustard'.... I did spell it right! It's a bird that can weigh up to 50 lbs....... and FLIES! It's alleged. Armour plating may be a safer option in this case! I see no reason why it shouldn't sport an anti-collision light or strobe! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Windshield thickness From: Gerry Holland --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland > What about Mode S, too??? Perhaps the Great Bustard is a blessing in > disguise - we could argue to EASA that they don't carry Mode S, so why > should we? :-) I still think in aviation terms it's name is incorrectly spelt. The cry of 'look out for that big bustard' will naturally be translated otherwise! I blame Bill Gates! Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Landing Light Outcomes From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu 11/30/2004 09:59:47 AM, Serialize complete at 11/30/2004 09:59:47 AM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Greetings All, I have seen many different and inspired ideas for placement of a landing light. Somehow however, I seem to have missed any discussion about results in terms of operational satisfaction. Is anyone out there flying with a landing light that provides useful illumination for standard landing ops, has reasonable bulb longevity, etc? Anyone successfully using halogen PAR36 bulbs, or automotive "fog" lights (eg., the 55W halogen aftermarket type), or HID? Anyone successfully avoid melting their cowl or other composite engraftment site? Inquiring minds (with a new big alternator) want to know! TIA Ira N224XS about 70 hr ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:06 AM PST US From: "Shaun Simpkins" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Windshield Thickness --> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" Thicker windshields are usually installed to reduce wind and vibration noise intrusion into the cockpit. The windshield is a huge drumhead that is set vibrating by the prop blast and engine vibration. A thicker screen will dampen those vibrations somewhat - but only somewhat. A good pair of headsets/earplugs is cheaper+lighter. Cars used to increase the glass thickness to do this...now they use a special noise-damping PVB film between two thinner panes; the wind-noise reduction is very noticeable. Sorry, doesn't work for acrylic. The thicker windscreen would add about 5lbs. However, you'd really need to do the side screens too, and they'd add another 15lbs. SS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! From: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" Happy Birthday Matt and a big "Thank You" for the great job you do in maintaining the Europa list> Dale H. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:51 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "MICHAEL PARKIN" Well said Trev - absolutely spot on!!!!!! Good Luck to the guys at Europa 2004. regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa > --> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com > > > In a message dated 30/11/2004 04:11:50 GMT Standard Time, > Lmorgan822@aol.com > writes: > > Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com > > That WAS a nasty comment! I am sure you would feel differently if you > had > lost 22,000+ US! > > Anyone want to buy a beautifully finished and ready to paint Phase I kit? > > Glas-air DID do the right thing, and that is why I am now one of their > customers. > > > Well, I have watched and listened and finally have to comment: > > I was one of those badly affected by EMIL to the tune of approximately > $20.000:00 and I am not complaining or howling about it!. Most of the > $20,000:00 > is parts that I have had to buy again by trawling the web and buying bits > and > pieces here and there from builders who had too much of one thing or > another. > > I have also bought a FWF kit from Europa 2004 and it is sat in the garage > waiting to be fitted. I speak as I find, and can only say good things > about > Europa2004; they have been prompt, genuinely tried to help and are > working > ridiculous hours to try and satisfy all builders past and present. > > You say that they should send out free parts etc to those who got their > fingers burned by EMIL. I have never heard anything so silly: so let's > say that > you bought a business that had been closed, you are saying that you > would > give kits away to those affected. I don't think so, you would be out of > business in a week!! > > It's time to stop the complaining and wish all those hardworking guys at > Kirby Moorside the best of luck in their new venture and thank goodness > that > someone responsible is now running things to the benefit of all builders > both > old and new. > > > Trev Pond > kit 598 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Windshield thickness From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" All, Thanks for your responses...both serious and lighthearted! Seems that the 1/4" windshield does "fall into that category of ways to increase weight and throw additional money down the hole". Best to just keep out of the b*stards' way! Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:21 AM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Europa-List: Skydrive carb. heat kit --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" I am thinking of fitting a Skydrive carb. heat kit to a standard 912 in XS cowls with a plenum chamber. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod. for this? Details on or off list would be much appreciated. Roger G-BXTD ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Light Outcomes From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" Ira, Along with the polycarbonate wingtip lighting covers I've molded, I intend to utilise the combination LED position lights, strobe, and landing lights available thru CreativAir (http://www.creativair.com/). A good picture of this set up with access panels on the Europa is available at Jeff Behrness website for A055, at www.N55XS.com/ (go to photos and narrative of May 10, 2004). In response to my enquiry as to heat buildup w/ the 75w Halogen landing light, Bill VonDane of CreativAir said that they have no test data in this regard. From other sources, I'm told that the 75w Halogen bulb throws 75% of its heat out the back of the bulb which, in the CreativAir installation, allows that heat to move into the cavity of the wingtip (which in turn is open to the cavity of the wing itself aft of the main spar). I have no idea with regard to whether heat buildup, either under normal operating conditions, or in the event the lights were left on inadventantly for an extended period, would become a fire safety or structural issue, though I am considering running extra wiring so that a thermostat could be installed to monitor internal wing temperatures. CreativAir has over 200 hours experience w/ their position/landing/strobe combo in the FG wingtip of an RV-8; in this installation, the outermost wing rib is solid, so any air heated by the landing light is confined to the volume of the FG wingtip to no discernible ill effect. > --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > Greetings All, > > I have seen many different and inspired ideas for placement of > a landing light. Somehow however, I seem to have missed any > discussion about results in terms of operational satisfaction. > > Is anyone out there flying with a landing light that provides > useful illumination for standard landing ops, has reasonable bulb > longevity, etc? Anyone successfully using halogen PAR36 bulbs, > or automotive "fog" lights (eg., the 55W halogen aftermarket > type), or HID? Anyone successfully avoid melting their cowl > or other composite engraftment site? > > Inquiring minds (with a new big alternator) want to know! > TIA > > Ira N224XS about 70 hr > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:28 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: nose wheel 9 KG force --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Steve and All, Get the nosewheel off the ground, aim the wheel in the straight ahead position. Get 36'' of string / cord, tie the ends together, to make a loop, and hook it over the axle bolt. Pass the other end of the loop behind the tyre [ U.S. guys, note the correct spelling !} at the 3 / 9 o' clock position, and have the string leaving the tyre at 90 degrees to the aircraft centreline. Hook a fishing scale [ or similar] onto the string loop, and pull with the scale, at 90 degrees to aircraft centreline until the friction damper ''breaks''. Adjust the nut on the spindle until the breakout force of about 18 Lb is reached. Each time you pull it, make sure you return the wheel to straight ahead, and are pulling at 90. If the split pin [ cotter in US] hole doesn't line up with a castle , back off the nut a touch, so it does, [ don't let the breakout force get below 16 Lb, or you may get shimmy, don't let it go above 20Lb, or you will have a job turning at low speed] If needed [ rarely] put a shim washer under the nut to aid pin alignment] Keep grease off the plastic disc. Easy job. Keep at it guys! Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:12 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Karel and All, Remove the upper cowl, pick the aircraft up with a hoist / crane from the two upper engine mount tubes. Support under the wings with padded saw horses [ no great weight here, just to prevent aircraft rolling]. Remove main wheel, you can now get your arm in to feel the bungee. Depending on where you have tied the knot in the bungee [ on the swing arm, or at the top tube on the U/C frame] untie the knot, and yank some more through, and retie. The correct tension, with the wheel back in place, is when the gear handle is unlatched from the down gate, the handle will go half way up the slot on it's own.If you can't work around the suspension block / damper unit, pull the pin from the swing arm / damper, and you can pull the swing arm down to get up in there.Also a good time to check all the bolts / pins are tight / safetied. Just make sure the plane can't settle down on you with your arm up in the well, believe me, it hurts when the gear tries to guillotine your arm off ! Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:18 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Landing Light Outcomes --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" Ira, What did go with for a "big new alternator"? Terry & Dave have some good pics and description of a light they have above the cooling duct shining thru plexi to illuminate out the XS chin scoop on N135XS. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Landing Light Outcomes --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Greetings All, I have seen many different and inspired ideas for placement of a landing light. Somehow however, I seem to have missed any discussion about results in terms of operational satisfaction. Is anyone out there flying with a landing light that provides useful illumination for standard landing ops, has reasonable bulb longevity, etc? Anyone successfully using halogen PAR36 bulbs, or automotive "fog" lights (eg., the 55W halogen aftermarket type), or HID? Anyone successfully avoid melting their cowl or other composite engraftment site? Inquiring minds (with a new big alternator) want to know! TIA Ira N224XS about 70 hr --- --- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:24 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Trevor, Thanks for your comments. I for one am very grateful that someone has stepped up and purchased the remnants of the Europa business. It seems that they are trying to make a go of it and I wish them every success. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa > >I was one of those badly affected by EMIL to the tune of approximately >$20.000:00 and I am not complaining or howling about it!. > You say that they should send out free parts etc to those who got their > fingers burned by EMIL. I have never heard anything so silly: > It's time to stop the complaining and wish all those hardworking guys at > Kirby Moorside the best of luck in their new venture and thank goodness that > someone responsible is now running things to the benefit of all builders both > old and new. > > Trev Pond > kit 598 > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:47 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skydrive carb. heat kit --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" The PFA will automatically approve this mod. Just tell them you have installed it as per Skydrives instructions when submitting the paperwork. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Europa-List: Skydrive carb. heat kit > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" > > > I am thinking of fitting a Skydrive carb. heat kit to a standard 912 in XS > cowls with a plenum chamber. Does anyone have an approved PFA mod. for > this? Details on or off list would be much appreciated. > Roger G-BXTD > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:59 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: FW: [jabiruengines] --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Bob. You know I'm using an MT Propellers 3 blade Constant Speed Prop.? Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Europa MKI/3300 Jabiru. . reading about the opinions on props. what is the opinion of using the 3 blade on the 3300 instead of the 2 blade because of tip speed. i am buildind a dakota hawk and a builder in new zealand is good performance from a 3 blade warp. he had tried a 2 blade of someones manufacture. any experience out there with the warp ? bob noffs ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:22 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS I too am very grateful of the new Europa, I am a builder that loves this Plane and I would be crazy if I didn't wish the 2004 Europa all the best. But, lets not get off track of why I made the comments I did about Larry. Morgan loosing $20,000 On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Richard Holder wrote: Have you paid Europa (2004) for Phases II & III ? If you paid EMIL for them you will have to accept that you won't be getting them ! Sorry - that's how it is. Life is a bitch sometimes. To lose $20,000 to me would be devastating and it certainly didn't deserve a commit like that. $20,000 to one person may be a million to another. If complaining or howling about makes him feel better let him go! Richard has stated since, he did not mean it to be mean or spiteful and I'm sure he didn't. so enough said. Jeff A258 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:41 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" Steve, Many thanks for the quick answer. The split up in two halfs will certainly be executed by the next occasion for modification. It fits as well the modification presented by Kingsley Hurst. Best regards, Karel Vranken #447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bengi tension > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > Karel: > > I don't know if this will help but when I installed the bungie chord I cut > it in two half length pieces. I then tensioned the left side and secured > it in the middle of the frame then proceeded to do the same with the right > side. It was a good deal easier to work with the shorter length. Also if > a bungie broke or came loose you will still have a 50% capability. > > Steve Hagar > A143 > Mesa, AZ > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > > > > [Original Message] > > From: karelvranken > > To: > > Date: 11/29/2004 2:52:04 PM > > Subject: Europa-List: Bengi tension > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" > > > > > Hi All, > > Did anyone sofar readjust the bengi tension on the monowheel? > > So yes; what is the easiest way to do so? > > Or is this a specific question for neville? > > After some 150 landings, retraction of the landing gear becomes heavier > than previously. We thought to readjust the tension of the bengi cord. But > that seems to be a job for specialists. > > Any advice is welcome. > > Karel Vranken > > # 447 F-PKRL > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:25 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" Cliff, Thank you for the tip. Is Bob the famous "sky runner"? Regards, Karel Vranken #447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" > > Just a thought! > > Be sure the bearing blocks that the gear pivots on are not lacking for oil. > I seem to remember this symptom on Bob Jacobsen's "BEEP BEEP" . > > Cliff Shaw > 1041 Euclid ave. > Edmonds, WA 98020 > 425 776 5555 > > "Wile E Coyote" is tore down temporarily to replace a ignition coil. Engine > failed the Mag Test. > > > Hi All, > > Did anyone sofar readjust the bengi tension on the monowheel? > > So yes; what is the easiest way to do so? > > Or is this a specific question for neville? > > After some 150 landings, retraction of the landing gear becomes heavier > > than previously. We thought to readjust the tension of the bengi cord. But > > that seems to be a job for specialists. > > Any advice is welcome. > > Karel Vranken > > # 447 F-PKRL > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:20 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: "karelvranken" Neville, Thank you for the clear explanation even though it isn't so easy to do. Best regards, Karel Vranken #447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension > --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com > > Hi Karel and All, > Remove the upper cowl, pick the aircraft up with a hoist / crane from the two > upper engine mount tubes. Support under the wings with padded saw horses [ no > great weight here, just to prevent aircraft rolling]. > Remove main wheel, you can now get your arm in to feel the bungee. Depending > on where you have tied the knot in the bungee [ on the swing arm, or at the > top tube on the U/C frame] untie the knot, and yank some more through, and retie. > The correct tension, with the wheel back in place, is when the gear handle is > unlatched from the down gate, the handle will go half way up the slot on it's > own.If you can't work around the suspension block / damper unit, pull the pin > from the swing arm / damper, and you can pull the swing arm down to get up in > there.Also a good time to check all the bolts / pins are tight / safetied. > Just make sure the plane can't settle down on you with your arm up in the > well, believe me, it hurts when the gear tries to guillotine your arm off ! > Cheers, > Nev. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:00 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Karel Bob is the guy who got me going in aviation. We built his Europa, "Beep Beep" together. I learned to fly and built my Europa, Wile E. Coyote" the next year. He has since moved up to a Mooney 210 and is working on his interment rating. Beep Beep is not in Florida. do not archive Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 Grounded -- new ignition coil on its way from Lockwood in Florida > Thank you for the tip. Is Bob the famous "sky runner"? > Regards, > Karel Vranken > #447 F-PKRL ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:47 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bengi tension --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" I make too many typos !!!! I should have said " Bob sold his Europa, Road Runner, (Beep Beep) to a flyer in Florida". do not archive Cliff > >>>>>> Beep Beep is not (NOW) in Florida. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:10 PM PST US From: "Chuck Popenoe" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Monowheel Project for Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" After much soul-searching and with great reluctance, I am putting my approximately half-built project up for sale. I do believe that the Europa is the finest handling plane that I have ever flown, but I seem to have far too many interests and business demands on my time to do justice to the build. Since I still own three flying homebuilts, the phrase "I'd rather be flying!" takes on new meaning. I'm very unaccustomed to not finishing a project once I have started, but at my present build rate, the finish line is out of sight. I invite anyone who may be interested to take a look by searching on Europa at www.barnstormers.com. Pops A036 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:08 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: nose wheel 9 KG force From: "steve v." 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." many thanks danny & nev , i new there would be a simple answer ! as regards the fishing scales , is there a formula for removing the built in exageration ? cheers ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://forum.okhuijsen.org/ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:49 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Jeff, Sorry, but Richard IS right. The new Europa DO care about the old customers who were 'done over' by Wilson, just as we all do. But if they were to start sending out very expensive free parts to everyone who was robbed, they'd be out of business in no time at all. What sort of business plan would that be? I talked to a guy on Friday evening who lost GBP19,000 (about USD35,000) to the old operation. He doesnt expect a freebie off the new one. I look forward to the day when folks like him and Mr. Morgan reclaim their funds through the courts from those responsible for the collapse of EMIL, not those trying to save our type. Do you have a television? The reason I ask is a friend of mine bought one on EBay and never received it. I'm sure you care about that, too, and I'd offer him mine but I've only got one. I know you Americans have multiple TVs in your houses, so I was wondering if you would be so kind as to send him one of yours? He's not well off, so I'm afraid he cant pay you for it, but I'm sure that won't be a problem. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation. Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1200 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Sorry Richard, You may be right by what might follow in a court of law, should Mr morgan take it that far, but your comments of how life is a bitch are very much incorrect in my book. Good things happen to those people and companies that do what's right. Many companies here in the US. such as the new Glass Air did right by the people that we're due product A little consideration for L. Morgan would be in order here. If the new Europa wants the world to know they are in it for the builder/customer Mr. Morgan should very soon here his kit is on the way. I for one would not ever recommend a company that didn't care if a past customer got screwed. Different company owners or not! Making good on old commitments should have been part of the new business plan. It's part of building a good reputation. Something the old Europa never thought of. Hmmm I wonder why the didn't make it? Jeff A258 On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Richard Holder wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Lmorgan822@aol.com >> >> Maybe they could send my Phase II and III kits in this shipment. I >> already >> paid for them. > > Have you paid Europa (2004) for Phases II & III ? > > If you paid EMIL for them you will have to accept that you won't be > getting > them ! Sorry - that's how it is. > > Life is a bitch sometimes. > > Richard > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:00 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Contacting the New Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS On Nov 29, 2004, at 3:26 AM, Jeremy Davey wrote: > Do you have a television? The reason I ask is a friend of mine bought > one on > EBay and never received it. I'm sure you care about that, too, and I'd > offer > him mine but I've only got one. I know you Americans have multiple TVs > in > your houses, so I was wondering if you would be so kind as to send him > one > of yours? He's not well off, so I'm afraid he cant pay you for it, but > I'm > sure that won't be a problem. > > Regards, > Jeremy Dear Jeremy, I would be glade to send your friend a TV. After all I even have one in my shop to keep me company on the long build hours. I may even have 7 or 8 in the house as I do take advantage of the free enterprise system here in America. So see if he needs an extra. I would be glad to oblige. Jeff A258 PS. Send me his address direct off forum. Maybe we can get it on the next container. > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:57 PM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Re:Gear retraction problem --> Europa-List message posted by: "p-a.austin" > >I can see the attractions of a thinner tyre. It would certainly give much > >better clearance on the brake master cylinder and the brake caliper. But I > >am a > > > >bit worried about the 15mm bigger diameter. There is already very little > >clearance between the tyre and the flap push rod, and with a bigger > >diameter tyre > > > >this could become a problem. > > > >Regards > >John > > John > shouldn't be a problem, the tyre should go past the side of the flap push rod. > Graham The set angles of the Flap Push Rod are not cast in stone, you can make adjustments, I did so as I have made and installed a mud guard. Peter #198.