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1. 06:41 AM - Vertical Card Compass (JEFF ROBERTS)
2. 07:13 AM - brake pipe routing ()
3. 09:23 AM - Rocky Mtn. and lights (Ronald J. Parigoris)
4. 10:19 AM - Re: Vertical Card Compass (Jerry Rehn)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: brake pipe routing (N55XS)
6. 11:08 AM - Re: CHT - Grand Rapids EIS (Paul McAllister)
7. 11:24 AM - Re: Rocky Mtn. and lights (Cliff Shaw)
8. 12:30 PM - Virus Alert (Dan Bish)
9. 02:15 PM - SV: CHT - Grand Rapids EIS (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: brake pipe routing (astills)
11. 06:59 PM - Re: Rocky Mtn. and lights (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 08:44 PM - 914 turbo surge (Graham Higgins)
13. 09:06 PM - Linding Lights (Cliff Shaw)
14. 10:45 PM - Re: 914 turbo surge (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 11:32 PM - Europa's flange mod (RK Hallett III)
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| Subject: | Vertical Card Compass |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
A sincere thanks to all that replied to my question on the compass. You
have helped me avoid a mistake and for that I am grateful.
Best Regards
Jeff
A258
Do not Archive.
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
2.00 DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 Date: is 24 to 48 hours after Received: date
--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi All,
I am just about to put in the brake pipes on my tri gear xs, Can any of
you who have completed this job tell me how you routed the pipe to the legs
(socket tube). I was contemplating drilling through the baggage ,then rib three
and down by the side of the socket tube,is this an acceptable idea or would
it weaken the u/c?
Also where about on the firewall did you put the master cylinder.
Cheers Danny. 541
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| Subject: | Rocky Mtn. and lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Cliff
I am looking pretty hard at the Rocky Mt.. Engine Monitor.
How do you like yours?
What round gauges do you have if any to supplement it?
What brand of switches are you using for switching from right/left EGT? Does the
switch work reliably?
What functions are hooked up[ and working on your bird?
I remember you had lights incorporated in your outrigger fairings.
How do they work at night for landing and taxi?
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Card Compass |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Jeff I had the VC in my panel just where you were planning- it looked great
there but didn't work.I moved it to the top of the panel( center) and it
works fine.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Vertical Card Compass
> --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I have a place in my panel where I was planning to put a vertical card
> compass to the right top of the flight instruments but not in the radio
> stack area. I heard today from a reliable source that should know that
> they will not work in the panel because of the electronic equipment. I
> will not be using a gyro DG so I thought this would allow me to see the
> full 360 that I've been use to. Has anyone been able to use a VC
> compass in the Europa panel anywhere, or will I have to mount it above
> somewhere for it to be accurate enough.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jeff
> A258
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
>Hi All,
> I am just about to put in the brake pipes on my tri gear xs, Can any
of you who have completed this job tell me how you routed the pipe to the legs
(socket tube). I was contemplating drilling through the baggage ,then rib three
and down by the side of the socket tube,is this an acceptable idea or would
it weaken the u/c?
>Also where about on the firewall did you put the master cylinder.
>
>Cheers Danny. 541
>
>
>
>
Danny,
I can't speak of everyone, however I used Nylo Flo and ran the tubes up,
into the outermost pocket of the "X", then over the cross and down into
the inner most pocket, about half way up, from the floor. Once in the
tunnel, I brought the tubes together and anchored them to the bottom of
the fuselage with wire tie anchors, then forward to the parking break
valve and then on forward to the M/C and, eventually the firewall. I
ran the tubing through rubber hose, everywhere it penetrated a bulkhead,
for a little added abraision protection. You can see the basic layout
on my build site, November 11 & 12 journal entries. A picture of the
M/C and parling brake valve setup can be seen in the September 4 entry.
Hope this helps...
--
Jeff - A055
Builders Log http://www.N55XS.com
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| Subject: | Re: CHT - Grand Rapids EIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Svein,
I place the two Rotax CHT sensors under the Rotax ones, so the Rotax sensors
were essentially functioning as bolts. I only installed 2 CHT's and 2 EHT's
even though the EIS4000 I am using is capable of more.
The unit has been trouble free except for the fuel flow option. I have a
914 and he had to re write the software to null out the reverse flow
correctly. Other than that its been great.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Rocky Mtn. and lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ron
I installed the Rickey Mountain Engine monitor because Bob Jacobsen used it
and he recommended using it. It is OK. I think better equipment is
available or about to be released now. (Dynon) (because it is in color and
complements the best flight instrument for the money available) I am happy
with what I have because it was the best that I could afford at the time I
built "Wile E Coyote". There are no backup engine gauges in my panel.
It works well on the Rotax. The tachometer pickup needs a little special
consideration, but they have that fix. I used miniature toggle switches to
switch carb temperature sensors. I also installed two amperage sensors and
switch between battery and voltage regulator output with a toggle switch.
The switches cost $6.00 a piece, C&H brand ( if I remember correctly). I
used a water temperature probe in the little can under the radiator cap for
CHT. I like it very much. When water temperature is very important
taxiing.
The cooling modes I made have really fixed the overheating problems the
Europa some times has when making long taxies.
The landing lights I designed and built have not been used yet at night. I
do use them with the wig-wag feature during pattern work. Now that it gets
dark so early, I will give them a try. ( I live up North you know, sunset at
16:30)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <N914RB@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
Just wanted to alert everyone to an email I received last night. It says
it's from info@europa-aircraft.com and is titled "Confirmation". There's a
zip file attached that contains a nasty virus called W32.Sober.I@mm!zip.
It's a worm type virus that will really ruin your day if you open it and
don't have adequate virus protection. Looks like Europa's email has been
spoofed and used for sending this email out. Since you're probably on the
same list of recipients, you may get it to. Thankfully, my anti-virus
program was up-to-date. If you get it and need help getting rid of it go to:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sober.i@mm.html
I think we need to get the kit companies to donate kits to these virus
authors so they'd have something else to do with their time!
FYI,
Dan Bish
Kit A144
Tucson, AZ USA
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| Subject: | CHT - Grand Rapids EIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Paul,
You write:
>I place the two Rotax CHT sensors under the Rotax ones, so the Rotax
sensors
>were essentially functioning as bolts.
Could you please elaborate a little more on this?
I, too, have the fuel flow sensor (Floscan), so I may have to bother you
with that issue a little later - there are so many things to sort out as
one progresses that I have to attack them one at a time! The engine is
bolted on, but I am still working on the cowlings. Using Southco quarter
turn fasteners and Europa's flange mod as per E. News Issue 28 (Dec. 2000) -
really good mod, cannot understand why they did not include it in their
firewall forward instructions - I trust Europa (2004) will when they have
time for that issue (let me add that it is impressive and highly commendable
how they are able to serve us also with technical advice when asked - let no
one doubt that they do all they can for us while trying to make a living for
themselves).
Regards,
Svein
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| Subject: | brake pipe routing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Danny,
I also am at that build site and ran the tubing just as per the factory
instructions (1" behind the leg) which brought me into the back cavity. I
then drilled through the back support approximately 1 1/2" above the floor
line and then out the back of the baggage bay. I then ran around into the
baggage bay and foreword to the park brake and then into the master
cylinder. From there the center line runs from the reservoir to the
firewall. I 'm not to sure where I will attach to the firewall as it has to
be accessible and out of the way of the engine and I'm still waiting for
those.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: brake pipe routing
--> Europa-List message posted by: <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi All,
I am just about to put in the brake pipes on my tri gear xs, Can
any of you who have completed this job tell me how you routed the pipe to
the legs (socket tube). I was contemplating drilling through the baggage
,then rib three and down by the side of the socket tube,is this an
acceptable idea or would it weaken the u/c?
Also where about on the firewall did you put the master cylinder.
Cheers Danny. 541
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| Subject: | Re: Rocky Mtn. and lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Cliff,
I'd be interested in your appraisal of your landing lights setup as I am at
the point of needing to add this feature. Do you have any pix of it that I can
go to in order to see what you did?
Do Not Archive.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham Higgins" <ghiggins@norex.com.au>
Dear Forum,
Has anyone out there experienced the "turbo surge on startup" that Rotax
say can occur, and for which they specify a kill switch within reach?
The reason for the question is as follows:-
On 14 Nov 04 I aborted a takeoff , as the engine did something I have never
before experienced, in 100 hrs. At only half throttle, on T/O run, I
suddenly felt full power, and was airborne very quickly. Airmaster prop was
on fine, and I did not note MP. A few seconds later the power dropped back
again, I suspect to the throttle setting. At no time did the engine misfire,
and all checks had been normal. I elected to land straight ahead, and it all
would have been a non-event, except for the cane-drain that I had forgotten
about. These drains criss-cross the sugarcane fields here, about 2-3 m wide,
1-2 m deep. One of these crossed the runoff area at the end of the runway. I
over-ran the runway, wet grass, so braking and groundloop not very
effective, hitting the drain at I guess 15-20 Kts. The nose of the A/C
impacted the far bank, then slid upwards about 60-70 cm, ie low speed, but
significant decelleration.
My injuries included a compression fracture of the first lumbar vertebra,
unstable, and one fragment was displaced rearward 5 mm, compressing the
thecal sac. Some very clever surgery involved removal of the body of the L1
vertebra, along with the discs above and below, and replacing them with a
titanium cage, which contained the bone graft, which will hopefully fuse
three vertebrae into one.It was pure good fortune that the injury did not
result in paraplegia, and hopefully I can expect full recovery. I was
wearing the standard 4 point harness, and suffered no other significant
injuries . I am aware this was the subject of discussion earlier - whether
the harness as designed promotes compression fractures. That is another
topic.
Back from hospital 2 days, so have not inspected the A/C yet, but can say
the prop has one blade broken off near the hub, the windscreen is split, so
I suspect some damage in the firewall area.
In musing over what happened, I suspect that I experienced turbo surge, and
that the "faltering" was simply the end of the surge. If that were the case,
I would probably have been OK to kill the turbo, and continue the T/O
without it. There would have been plenty of power.
Has anyone experienced anything similar? ( the engine behavior, I mean. I do
not wish the back experience on anyone!)
Graham Higgins, in Oz
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
I made the landing lights and the outrigger fairing all in one unit
(actually two) Pictures start on page 3 #162.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/WileE
The light fixture is a auto after-market spot light. I have not used it in
night operations yet. I have had them on while in the landing pattern. I
built a wig-wag circuit from a kitplanes article I found on the web.
http://www.rst-engr.com/kitplanes/KP0001/KP0001.htm
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
>
> Cliff,
>
> I'd be interested in your appraisal of your landing lights setup as I am
> at
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: 914 turbo surge |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
Hva' snakker han om?
Hva' er "turbo surge"...??
/Gert
NB Talte med Jens den anden dag - en eller anden klovn havde budt ham
90.000 for alle hans flydele med tilbehr - tror nok deres "chat"
stoppede umiddelbart efter det bud.......
Den 4/12-2004, kl. 5.25, skrev Graham Higgins:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham Higgins"
> <ghiggins@norex.com.au>
>
> Dear Forum,
> Has anyone out there experienced the "turbo surge on startup" that
> Rotax
> say can occur, and for which they specify a kill switch within reach?
> The reason for the question is as follows:-
> On 14 Nov 04 I aborted a takeoff , as the engine did something I have
> never
> before experienced, in 100 hrs. At only half throttle, on T/O run, I
> suddenly felt full power, and was airborne very quickly. Airmaster
> prop was
> on fine, and I did not note MP. A few seconds later the power dropped
> back
> again, I suspect to the throttle setting. At no time did the engine
> misfire,
> and all checks had been normal. I elected to land straight ahead, and
> it all
> would have been a non-event, except for the cane-drain that I had
> forgotten
> about. These drains criss-cross the sugarcane fields here, about 2-3 m
> wide,
> 1-2 m deep. One of these crossed the runoff area at the end of the
> runway. I
> over-ran the runway, wet grass, so braking and groundloop not very
> effective, hitting the drain at I guess 15-20 Kts. The nose of the A/C
> impacted the far bank, then slid upwards about 60-70 cm, ie low speed,
> but
> significant decelleration.
> My injuries included a compression fracture of the first lumbar
> vertebra,
> unstable, and one fragment was displaced rearward 5 mm, compressing the
> thecal sac. Some very clever surgery involved removal of the body of
> the L1
> vertebra, along with the discs above and below, and replacing them
> with a
> titanium cage, which contained the bone graft, which will hopefully
> fuse
> three vertebrae into one.It was pure good fortune that the injury did
> not
> result in paraplegia, and hopefully I can expect full recovery. I was
> wearing the standard 4 point harness, and suffered no other significant
> injuries . I am aware this was the subject of discussion earlier -
> whether
> the harness as designed promotes compression fractures. That is another
> topic.
> Back from hospital 2 days, so have not inspected the A/C yet, but can
> say
> the prop has one blade broken off near the hub, the windscreen is
> split, so
> I suspect some damage in the firewall area.
> In musing over what happened, I suspect that I experienced turbo
> surge, and
> that the "faltering" was simply the end of the surge. If that were the
> case,
> I would probably have been OK to kill the turbo, and continue the T/O
> without it. There would have been plenty of power.
> Has anyone experienced anything similar? ( the engine behavior, I
> mean. I do
> not wish the back experience on anyone!)
> Graham Higgins, in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa's flange mod |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RK Hallett III <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Svein,
What is the
Europa's flange mod? I'm rapidly getting to that point of the build.
Thanks,
Ralph
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