---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/12/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - CCUL First Flight Foot Note (Tony Bale) 2. 10:56 AM - Re: Bonding on top (Paul Stewart) 3. 01:20 PM - How much flox for aileron closeout inside wing? (Andrew Sarangan) 4. 02:02 PM - Re: Bonding on top (Fred Fillinger) 5. 02:02 PM - Re: How much flox for aileron closeout inside wing? (Cliff Shaw) 6. 03:14 PM - Harnesses - the ongoing saga (N55XS) 7. 04:20 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (Cliff Shaw) 8. 04:27 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (astills) 9. 05:17 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (Fred R. Klein) 10. 05:49 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (N55XS) 11. 06:48 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga () 12. 07:04 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (JEFF ROBERTS) 13. 08:51 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (N55XS) 14. 09:10 PM - Re: Harnesses - the ongoing saga (N55XS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:59 AM PST US From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Europa-List: CCUL First Flight Foot Note --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Thought I would advise you of our findings following the gear down operation selection problem. We raised the aircraft and carried out the retract test, and thankfully were able to repeat the fault. A good look round the gear showed nothing even remotely obvious, and no witness marks. We centred our investigation around the flaps. We removed the two rear inspection panels on the parcel shelf and the small box we had made to fit under the right side and with one of us stuck through the D panel, operated the gear - all worked perfectly. It turns out the said stowage box (pretty small - GPS size) under the right side panel was just interfering with the rear flap torque tube. It had clearance when up or down, but midway just caught the mechanism enough to cause a resistance. We carried out 50+ tests after finishing the installation and a further 2 or 3 for our inspector - all without problem. The box may not have been made for the 50 tests, and may have been removed for access to inspect parts during the sign off process, - their's a moral their somewhere !! ATB Tony PS Seasons greetings to one and all. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:54 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bonding on top --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Ken I have put a few photos of the 'splash mouldings' Fergus referred to in his posting on the EuropaOwners forum . They are on page two of the gallery in the G-GIDY album. There are also some pics of the early stages of modifying the panel to take the BMA EFIS-1 if anyone is interested. regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:15 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CsH97PWk7h7IB9QIrcPd77EMI042i4qNHCV3qj0DwzZ50U5IgO/3y8i0n3enjjNBsRLQcbOawvTNDGj84yb8lNNy3PDLLWPQcZMh77Ac1SjV2KYWiPvqh3tmE7TPABsg/z9pS4Vf/GqPnG5yy819Uh49AlYQjp7otOTwuDhUBg0= ; From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: How much flox for aileron closeout inside wing? --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan When floxing between the aileron closeout and the wing's bottom skin, I am wondering how much flox is considered normal. The slot is quite deep, and one could easily stuff a lot of flox to get a smooth curve. But I don't want to add too much unnecessary weight. How many ounces would you say is normal for the aileron closeout on each wing? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:34 PM PST US From: "Fred Fillinger" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bonding on top --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" > Are you using the DAR program? > Seems people have found a way to make money in their retirement > by charging people to inspect their project. Not the idea I believe > was the intention when the FAA pulled back from inspections. > Mike Duane A207 It was done with full malice aforethought, and better than being the first step toward user fees on everything. IRS charges directly for certain services which at least primarily benefit the user: installment agreements, nonprofit status approval, rulings, changes in accounting method. Some of them cost more than the typical DAR charges. The real problem may be how many of these guys, because of legal liability, will be more fussy than FAA people. Reg, Fred F. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:45 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: How much flox for aileron closeout inside wing? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Andrew I used just enough to make a tongue depressor curved filet. You are right , it is easy to put too much in that crevice. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:57 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS For those who are interested, I've posted my solution to the low harness height, on todays journal at my build site. Very strong and works very well... -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:37 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" Jeff I looked at you web page. You did a very nice job on your "shoulder strap risers" . I like the way you solved the problem. May have to do it on my plane. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 ----- Original Message ----- From: "N55XS" Subject: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > > For those who are interested, I've posted my solution to the low harness > height, on todays journal at my build site. Very strong and works very > well... > > -- > Jeff - A055 > Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:06 PM PST US From: "astills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" Jeff, Now thats about the simplest answer to the seat belt saga that I've seen or heaerd of. Very neat instalation and straightforeward thinking.Nice Job. Al Stills N625AZ Firewall Foreward on the way ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga From: "Fred R. Klein" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" on 12/12/04 3:16 PM, N55XS at topglock@cox.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS > > For those who are interested, I've posted my solution to the low harness > height, on todays journal at my build site. Very strong and works very > well... Jeff, ...very sweet...I was wondering how you would respond to this thread after just having installed your well-crafted carpet job! Are we looking at bent alum. plate (thickness?) or something laid up in FG? Fred A194 PS: You should be getting delivery of your polycarbonate wingtip lighting covers on Mon. or Tues. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:19 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Fred R. Klein wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" > >on 12/12/04 3:16 PM, N55XS at topglock@cox.net wrote: > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS >> >>For those who are interested, I've posted my solution to the low harness >>height, on todays journal at my build site. Very strong and works very >>well... >> >> > >Jeff, > >...very sweet...I was wondering how you would respond to this thread after >just having installed your well-crafted carpet job! > >Are we looking at bent alum. plate (thickness?) or something laid up in FG? > >Fred >A194 > > Fred, The gadget is constructed from 1/8" semi-hard aluminum, 5" wide. I don't know the actual hardness, but it's fairly stiff. To bend it I used a vise and did a little pushing. For the 90 degree (approximate) bend I used a hammer to tap out the radius, moving the plate in the vise a few times. Ended up with about a 3/4" radius, which really stiffened the back plate. The slot was just drilled on each end, then connect the holes with a saber saw, opening the center to drop in the belts. I slit a length of Nylo-Flo tubing to line the bottom of the slot, to prevent the belts from chafing. The bolts on the back plate are all set in the hardpoint. The ones in the top of the headrest simply have large washers, underneath. When adding the rear plate, I had to substitute a longer bolt, through the harness connector. I look forward to the clear tips. They are all that remain, to finish the wings... -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:03 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff, a very elegant solution. Thank you. I have another that I have not yet accomplished nor, thankfully, tested. I plan to reinforce the skin to the structural bow connection at the rear of the opening doors. Then reduxing and bolting a aluminum hardpoint to the aft face of the bow that will extend a few centimeters down so that an attachment can be to the anchor of the shoulder harness. I plan to use a "snap shackle" such as use on sailboats so it can be unsnapped to make cargo or longranger fuel tank easier to load. It will be light, not obtrusive, not obstructive and according to my consulting engineer (me) of adequate strength. Photos to follow, once I have solved all of my wiring problems. Jeff, your upholstery if beautiful! Tom XS mono Jab Airmaster A079 N96V -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N55XS Subject: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS For those who are interested, I've posted my solution to the low harness height, on todays journal at my build site. Very strong and works very well... -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. advertising on the Matronics Forums. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:44 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > Jeff, > > ...very sweet...I was wondering how you would respond to this thread > after > just having installed your well-crafted carpet job! > > Quick question to you Jeff, What type of carpet did you use for lightest weight and what type of bonding agent did you use to bond it in? It does look good. Thanks, Jeff A258 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:50 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS JEFF ROBERTS wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > > > > >>Jeff, >> >>...very sweet...I was wondering how you would respond to this thread >>after >>just having installed your well-crafted carpet job! >> >> >> >> > Quick question to you Jeff, >What type of carpet did you use for lightest weight and what type of >bonding agent did you use to bond it in? It does look good. >Thanks, >Jeff >A258 > > > The carpet is from Auto Zone. You'll find it in the floor mat section. It is very light, will contour to different shapes and not expensive. The adhesive is a 3M product that is used to bond vinyl tops on cars. Very strong, and fairly expensive at around $12. for a 15 oz spray can. All total, I figure I have around $100. in the carpet job. Over half of that is the adhesive. I can live with that... :) -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:41 PM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Harnesses - the ongoing saga --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS beecho@beecho.org wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: > >Jeff, a very elegant solution. Thank you. >I have another that I have not yet accomplished nor, thankfully, tested. I >plan to reinforce the skin to the structural bow connection at the rear of >the opening doors. Then reduxing and bolting a aluminum hardpoint to the >aft face of the bow that will extend a few centimeters down so that an >attachment can be to the anchor of the shoulder harness. I plan to use a >"snap shackle" such as use on sailboats so it can be unsnapped to make cargo >or longranger fuel tank easier to load. It will be light, not obtrusive, >not obstructive and according to my consulting engineer (me) of adequate >strength. Photos to follow, once I have solved all of my wiring problems. >Jeff, your upholstery if beautiful! >Tom >XS mono Jab Airmaster A079 N96V > > > > Tom, I was actually considering a similar technique, but didn't want to reroute wiring and redo the carpeting, so opted for the easy way out. Have you gotten the bugs worked out of that Jab, yet? Was it you who just did a first flight in Florida? -- Jeff - A055 Builders Log: http://www.N55XS.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.