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1. 12:42 AM - Joggle joint (Paul Atkinson)
2. 12:48 AM - Re: Joggle Joint (Brian Davies)
3. 03:40 AM - Re: Joggle Joint (Steve Hagar)
4. 04:00 AM - fitting the fuselage top (Rowland Carson)
5. 04:40 AM - Re: Joggle Joint (Robert Berube)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: fitting the fuselage top (Paul McAllister)
7. 05:38 AM - Re: 912S oil consumption (Chrisgarner9@aol.com)
8. 06:27 AM - Re: fitting the fuselage top (John & Amy Eckel)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Joggle Joint (Fergus Kyle)
10. 07:06 AM - Re: allowing for paint (Fred Fillinger)
11. 08:14 AM - Joggle Joint (Erich Trombley)
12. 08:24 AM - Paint Allowance (Erich Trombley)
13. 09:58 AM - Re: Joggle Joint (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 11:26 AM - Carb banjos - changing their orientation (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
15. 12:04 PM - Re: fitting the fuselage top (Duncan McFadyean)
16. 01:01 PM - Re: fitting the fuselage top (Rowland Carson)
17. 01:01 PM - Re: fitting the fuselage top (Rowland Carson)
18. 01:50 PM - Mass Balance Arm failure (Tony Renshaw)
19. 01:55 PM - Control Deflection Re: Paint Allowance (Tony Renshaw)
20. 03:01 PM - Rotax Engine Mount (Tony Renshaw)
21. 03:07 PM - Re: Rotax Engine Mount (Duncan McFadyean)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? (Alan Burrows)
23. 06:38 PM - Re: Positioning Flaps (CHUCK RHOADS)
24. 06:44 PM - Re: Rotax Engine Mount (Tony Renshaw)
25. 09:12 PM - Re: Rotax Engine Mount (Tony Renshaw)
26. 11:10 PM - Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? (William Mills)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Mike
Your joggle overlap sounds typical to me. Mine and the others I have seen
are much the same. As far as strengh is concerned I believe the overlap is
far greater than it needs to be, based on a conversation I had with Andy
Draper some time ago.
Paul Atkinson
Time: 10:03:22 PM PST US
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Joggle Joint
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I have been putting the top on and off several times now to get things just
right. One thing that I have noticed is that while all the horizontal epoxy
joints seem to line up, the joggle joint doesn't seem to be fully
overlapped.
With all things in set, the front lip to the firewall clecoed in place, and
the trailing edge of the fin lining up, I still get only about a 60%
overlap
in the joggle area. That's about a 3/8" (10mm) gap that does not provide
strength. Have others had this problem? Is it a problem? Getting closer
to bonding
on the top and was just a little concerned.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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Subject: | Re: Joggle Joint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Hi Mike,
I would not use the trailing edge of the fin as a guide. You can always cut
this after bonding to get a straight line. I found that more overlap was
possible if you pulled hard and slightly downwards at the rear of the fin.
Some slight adjustment of the horizontal edges was then necessay, but the
joggle overlap improved significantly. I also found that there was
excessive resin at the narrow point of the joggle on the top half of the
fuselage that was preventing the top from sitting down fully at this point.
This increased the gap. I removed this and got a much better fit. Does
that make sense?
Brian Davies 454, Mono
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From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Joggle Joint
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day All,
>
> I have been putting the top on and off several times now to get things
just
> right. One thing that I have noticed is that while all the horizontal
epoxy
> joints seem to line up, the joggle joint doesn't seem to be fully
overlapped.
> With all things in set, the front lip to the firewall clecoed in place,
and
> the trailing edge of the fin lining up, I still get only about a 60%
overlap
> in the joggle area. That's about a 3/8" (10mm) gap that does not provide
> strength. Have others had this problem? Is it a problem? Getting closer
to bonding
> on the top and was just a little concerned.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
> that.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Mike:
I also had the same issue in a small area. To make myself feel better
about it I backed up the concerned area with several layers of bid. My
area was where the front of the vertical stab slopes down and meets the
bottom bathtub.
Steve
A143
Mesa AZ
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> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/16/2004 11:02:19 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Joggle Joint
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
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> Good day All,
>
> I have been putting the top on and off several times now to get things
just
> right. One thing that I have noticed is that while all the horizontal
epoxy
> joints seem to line up, the joggle joint doesn't seem to be fully
overlapped.
> With all things in set, the front lip to the firewall clecoed in place,
and
> the trailing edge of the fin lining up, I still get only about a 60%
overlap
> in the joggle area. That's about a 3/8" (10mm) gap that does not provide
> strength. Have others had this problem? Is it a problem? Getting closer
to bonding
> on the top and was just a little concerned.
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do
before
> that.
>
>
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Subject: | fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during flight.
I expect there will be some sort of fix recommended (or even
mandated) for this.
I note some folk recently asking questions like "what should I do
before sticking the top on?". If you can afford to wait until
whatever fix is announced before you bond the fuselage top on, you
might save yourself a lot of uncomfortable wriggling later.
regards
Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Mike,
Most of the fuselages are that way. If the joint has more than 1/4 inch, we
will layup two layers BID over the joint.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
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Subject: Europa-List: Joggle Joint
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I have been putting the top on and off several times now to get things just
right. One thing that I have noticed is that while all the horizontal epoxy
joints seem to line up, the joggle joint doesn't seem to be fully
overlapped.
With all things in set, the front lip to the firewall clecoed in place, and
the trailing edge of the fin lining up, I still get only about a 60%
overlap
in the joggle area. That's about a 3/8" (10mm) gap that does not provide
strength. Have others had this problem? Is it a problem? Getting closer to
bonding
on the top and was just a little concerned.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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Subject: | Re: fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Rowland,
Is this available in electronic format ?
Paul
> From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
> I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
> and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
> Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
>
> This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during
flight.
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Subject: | Re: 912S oil consumption |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Chrisgarner9@aol.com
Hi, shell advance 4T which is synthetic based, but was the one reccomended by
the supplier, but it''s a theory - certainly seems to be something that is
piston ring related. Chris.
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Subject: | Re: fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Rowland,
How did the mass balance arm fail?
Thanks,
John Eckel, A230
do not archive
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From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: fitting the fuselage top
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
> and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
> Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
>
> This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during
> flight.
>
> I expect there will be some sort of fix recommended (or even
> mandated) for this.
>
> I note some folk recently asking questions like "what should I do
> before sticking the top on?". If you can afford to wait until
> whatever fix is announced before you bond the fuselage top on, you
> might save yourself a lot of uncomfortable wriggling later.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Joggle Joint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Mike,
I found that too. I attached a number of lines to the cockpit
overhead panel (at the rear) and stretched same to the stern bulkhead. It
seemed to reduce the gap to about 3/16. I cleco-ed the result and
retightened the day I attached the top. There was some flexibility there. I
presumed the 'rigger's angle of incidence' was controllable by means of the
flying stab.
Ferg
A064
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From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Joggle Joint
| --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
|
| Good day All,
|
| I have been putting the top on and off several times now to get things
just
| right. One thing that I have noticed is that while all the horizontal
epoxy
| joints seem to line up, the joggle joint doesn't seem to be fully
overlapped.
| With all things in set, the front lip to the firewall clecoed in place,
and
| the trailing edge of the fin lining up, I still get only about a 60%
overlap
| in the joggle area. That's about a 3/8" (10mm) gap that does not provide
| strength. Have others had this problem? Is it a problem? Getting closer
to bonding
| on the top and was just a little concerned.
|
| Mike Duane A207
| Redding, California
| XS Conventional Gear
| Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
| that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
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Subject: | Re: allowing for paint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
> Can anyone suggest how much to allow for painting when fitting
> flaps/ailerons etc. We have sanded back the upper wing skins
> and rear close outs so that the flaps and ailerons do not catch,
> but how much is painting likely to affect this clearance?
>
> Regards
> paul stewart
>
Paint mfrs generally say target is about 4 mils, w/o hinting how to
measure that! So worst case with a clear coat system is -- including
primer but which needn't be 4 mils -- a total of 12 mils, or less than
1/64"/half an mm. So, if your clearance looks minimal so that paint
is a factor, I'd say there's not enough.
Plastic things alter dimensions over time (but not like we do!), and
temperature/aerodynamics/wear have their effects. I finally fixed an
interference issue re a plastic fairing/control surface on the AA-5,
causing only cosmetic paint damage. There was always some gap there
on the ground in usual weather, but too little to me visually, and
complicated to fix. But temperature/aerodynamics I guess came into
play. Others may have in-service exp for the Europa on this, but
1/16" seems like bare minimum to me.
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Mike, if what you mean by the joggle joint is the slanted joggle just forward of
the horizontal stabilizer, I think you will find this to be the case for most
builders going back to pre XS kits in fact. I have a mono which suffered the
same. I contacted the factory back then and was told not to worry about it.
I have been flying for two years now with no problems. All the best
Erich Trombley
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Paul,
During the build I followed the recommend clearances for the gap between the flap
and aileron, ensuring that they did no rub with the flaps in either the extended
or retracted position. If I recall the clearance is 2-3mm. Painting adds
very little in total thickness and in fact I didn't even consider it an issue
when painting the plane. All turned out fine. Hope this helps.
Erich Trombley
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Subject: | Re: Joggle Joint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Thanks to all that have alleviated my concerns. I just might add a little
BID to the inside and go with that. But now I have another item to add to my
"do-before-the-top-on" list. Mass balance arm? Thanks for the heads up Ferg.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Just about to put the top on but still finding little things to do before
that.
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Subject: | Carb banjos - changing their orientation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
All,
Earlier this week, there was an interesting posting re. carb banjos and fuel
hose proximity to hot exhaust pipes.
I quote part of it:
>I went to see another builder yesterday, Peter Field in Windlesham. He has
>just hung his 912S. I took the opportunity to look at his carb banjos. They
>both pointed forward towards the exhaust manifold. And they were sealed to
>discourage changing their position.
>
>I therefore repeat my suggestion that the factory should be told and
>discouraged from doing this !
As there are other important attachments on the engine that are NOT
sealed/marked with red paint, I called an authorized Scandinavian Rotax
dealer/repair facility for an explanation and comments:
The red coloured seal is put on the banjos at the factory for two reasons:
- To show the factory quality inspector that the fitting has been installed
with the correct torque (the torque wrench squirts the paint on
automatically)
- To give some locking effect, and - more importantly - enable easy visual
detection during regular intervals if anything has moved, meaning loss of
torque.
It is OK to rotate the banjo to suit the desired fuel hose routing. This
requires of course that the bolt must be released and subsequently tightened
to the correct torque (ref. Rotax manual), BUT: The copper sealing washers
MUST be replaced by new, unused ones. Copper does not spring back when
pressure is taken off, and will seal properly only on the FIRST tightening.
The washers are standard soft copper washers that can be bought at hardware
stores, need not be original Rotax parts but check for correct thickness in
new condition (not measured off the used ones) in the Rotax manual.
Industrial type locking liquid can be used on the assembled parts (only on
the outside) but is not essential. Just simply mark the joined parts with a
line drawn with permanent marker pen for the regular visual inspections, to
detect whether anything has moved.
Regards,
Svein
A225 - XS trigear - now in Norway
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Subject: | Re: fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Hmm,
Mine's already internally sleeved; hope that's what the fix is!
Duncan McF.
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From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Europa-List: fitting the fuselage top
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
> and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
> Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
>
> This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during
flight.
>
> I expect there will be some sort of fix recommended (or even
> mandated) for this.
>
> I note some folk recently asking questions like "what should I do
> before sticking the top on?". If you can afford to wait until
> whatever fix is announced before you bond the fuselage top on, you
> might save yourself a lot of uncomfortable wriggling later.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-12-17 09:26 -0500 John & Amy Eckel wrote:
>How did the mass balance arm fail
The entry reads in full:
Europa / Rotax 900 / Taxy / White Waltham / 03/08/2004 200405964
AAIB Initial notification: Mass balance arm rod end failed during taxi.
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: fitting the fuselage top |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-12-17 07:21 -0600 Paul McAllister wrote:
>Is this available in electronic format
Paul - sorry, no, not as far as I know. It hasn't appeared in an AAIB
buletin yet (their website is <http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/>).
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Mass Balance Arm failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Rowland,
The mass balance arm rod end you mention that failed and is now the
attention of a mandated fix. Can you elaborate exactly where it failed, if
you know, and what was the apparent reason?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 07:00 AM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
>I've just received the latest copy of the CAA Safety Investigation
>and Data Department Occurence Listing, which reports the failure of a
>Europa mass balance arm rod end during taxi.
>
>This could have spoiled someone's whole day if it had occurred during flight.
>
>I expect there will be some sort of fix recommended (or even
>mandated) for this.
>
>I note some folk recently asking questions like "what should I do
>before sticking the top on?". If you can afford to wait until
>whatever fix is announced before you bond the fuselage top on, you
>might save yourself a lot of uncomfortable wriggling later.
>
>regards
>
>Rowland
>--
>
>| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
>| 740 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
>
>
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Subject: | Control Deflection re: Paint Allowance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
There are wiser inputs than me, but the gap is not just about minimum
clearances for paint. The general rule is that you shouldn't pull g and
have a rolling input, but one day it could happen. I know there is a lot of
flex potential in the wing, and you have to be assured that you don't build
too fine a tolerance, to cater for full unimpeded control input with a
deflected wing. This is the only reason the spec is 2-3 mm, which isn't
exactly small, so by implication it has other demands of it.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
At 11:22 AM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>
>
>Paul,
>
>During the build I followed the recommend clearances for the gap between
>the flap and aileron, ensuring that they did no rub with the flaps in
>either the extended or retracted position. If I recall the clearance is
>2-3mm. Painting adds very little in total thickness and in fact I didn't
>even consider it an issue when painting the plane. All turned out
>fine. Hope this helps.
>
>Erich Trombley
>N28ET
>
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Subject: | Rotax Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I have a Rotax engine mount that has needed a welding repair, and now I
have mated it to my landing gear mount in an attempt to mount a Graham
Singleton phenolic firewall. The mount has the 4 legs sticking forward, and
the top 2 are the ones with the bracing. The bottom ones have none. This is
contrary to how I would have imagined it to be. The installation picture
Graham provided me has reinforcing bracing on the one of the bottom legs,
the port one as I recall, braced back toward the weld attach point of the
Starboard leg. So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got, and what
sort is the one in Grahams picture???? Standing by.....
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
Currently working on Rudder Pedals,
In but tight so more work to go on them.
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig,
Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels.
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Roof Panel between doors completed.
Photos at:
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a sticky
situation
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
<<So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got>>
One that defies rational analysis!
Beats me how it works, more still how it was ever approved.
Duncan McF.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Engine Mount
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I have a Rotax engine mount that has needed a welding repair, and now I
> have mated it to my landing gear mount in an attempt to mount a Graham
> Singleton phenolic firewall. The mount has the 4 legs sticking forward,
and
> the top 2 are the ones with the bracing. The bottom ones have none. This
is
> contrary to how I would have imagined it to be. The installation picture
> Graham provided me has reinforcing bracing on the one of the bottom legs,
> the port one as I recall, braced back toward the weld attach point of the
> Starboard leg. So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got, and what
> sort is the one in Grahams picture???? Standing by.....
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> Currently working on Rudder Pedals,
> In but tight so more work to go on them.
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig,
> Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels.
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Roof Panel between doors completed.
> Photos at:
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
sticky
> situation
>
>
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
William
How about Carlisle on Sunday, they have a good museum to visit on site and
the bacon butties are excellent..!
Alan
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> I agree, Duncan, Sunday looks the best.
> Huddersfield is westish, as long as there is no low cloud over the
> Pennines.
> Lets confirm on Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
> Regards,
> William
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> <<Any suggestions
>> > welcome>>
>>
>> Sunday!
>> Present forecast favours somewhere West.
>>
>> Duncan.
>>
>> Do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Positioning Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: CHUCK RHOADS <cfrhoads@yahoo.com>
I am getting my plane ready for what I hope is my final FAA inspection before being
able to fly. I have my flaps positioned so that the bottom of the flaps
are flat with the bottom of the wing. I noticed at Oshkosh that others have the
flaps positioned so that that they align with the top surface of the wing &
level with the ailerons. What affect will this have on performance? Which is
better?
Chuck Rhoads
A100 trike, GEO powered
Chuck Rhoads
cfrhoads@yahoo.com
104 Shuttle Dr.
Georgetown, KY 40324
(502) 867-7625
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Duncan,
Here is a picture. Can you tell me what you think please.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 06:12 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
><<So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got>>
>
>One that defies rational analysis!
>Beats me how it works, more still how it was ever approved.
>
>Duncan McF.
>do not archive.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Engine Mount
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Gidday,
> > I have a Rotax engine mount that has needed a welding repair, and now I
> > have mated it to my landing gear mount in an attempt to mount a Graham
> > Singleton phenolic firewall. The mount has the 4 legs sticking forward,
>and
> > the top 2 are the ones with the bracing. The bottom ones have none. This
>is
> > contrary to how I would have imagined it to be. The installation picture
> > Graham provided me has reinforcing bracing on the one of the bottom legs,
> > the port one as I recall, braced back toward the weld attach point of the
> > Starboard leg. So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got, and what
> > sort is the one in Grahams picture???? Standing by.....
> >
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > Currently working on Rudder Pedals,
> > In but tight so more work to go on them.
> > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > Lower Fuse in Jig,
> > Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels.
> > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > Photos at:
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> > Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
>sticky
> > situation
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Duncan and Tony,
Here is that mount. What do ya reckon now?? I wish I knew I had to have it
strengthened when it was in getting it repaired, and before I got it
powdercoated. Ho hum.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 06:12 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
><<So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got>>
>
>One that defies rational analysis!
>Beats me how it works, more still how it was ever approved.
>
>Duncan McF.
>do not archive.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Engine Mount
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> > Gidday,
> > I have a Rotax engine mount that has needed a welding repair, and now I
> > have mated it to my landing gear mount in an attempt to mount a Graham
> > Singleton phenolic firewall. The mount has the 4 legs sticking forward,
>and
> > the top 2 are the ones with the bracing. The bottom ones have none. This
>is
> > contrary to how I would have imagined it to be. The installation picture
> > Graham provided me has reinforcing bracing on the one of the bottom legs,
> > the port one as I recall, braced back toward the weld attach point of the
> > Starboard leg. So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got, and what
> > sort is the one in Grahams picture???? Standing by.....
> >
> > Reg
> > Tony Renshaw
> > Sydney Australia
> >
> > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > Currently working on Rudder Pedals,
> > In but tight so more work to go on them.
> > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > Lower Fuse in Jig,
> > Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels.
> > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > Photos at:
> > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic Artificial
> > Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
>sticky
> > situation
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Alan,
Carlisle is probably a bit far for me (and probably for some of the other
DOTHers in the South) in the winter months, unless the weather en route is
guaranteed good for all the way for all of the day. We try to limit it to
not much more than an hour each way in the winter months.
Perhaps we can persuade some of the Scottish and North England pilots to
join in for some of the northerly venues?
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> William
>
> How about Carlisle on Sunday, they have a good museum to visit on site and
> the bacon butties are excellent..!
>
> Alan
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> > <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> >
> > I agree, Duncan, Sunday looks the best.
> > Huddersfield is westish, as long as there is no low cloud over the
> > Pennines.
> > Lets confirm on Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
> > Regards,
> > William
> > Do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
> >
> >
> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>
> >> <<Any suggestions
> >> > welcome>>
> >>
> >> Sunday!
> >> Present forecast favours somewhere West.
> >>
> >> Duncan.
> >>
> >> Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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