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1. 02:25 AM - Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? (Duncan McFadyean)
2. 02:45 AM - Re: Rotax Engine Mount (Duncan McFadyean)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Mass Balance Arm failure (Rowland Carson)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Positioning Flaps (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 12/17/04 (Graham Singleton)
6. 08:12 AM - Stall Warning Kit (Timothy.P.Ward)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? (Duncan McFadyean)
8. 12:46 PM - Re: DOTH SUNDAY 19th Dec (William Mills)
9. 01:08 PM - Re: Mass Balance Arm failure (Rowland Carson)
10. 01:24 PM - Re: Mass Balance Arm failure (Duncan McFadyean)
11. 02:01 PM - EXACTLY (Fergus Kyle)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: EXACTLY (Paul McAllister)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: EXACTLY (Jim Brown)
14. 02:51 PM - Re: Seat belts challenge...... (SteveD)
15. 02:56 PM - Re: EXACTLY (Fred R. Klein)
16. 03:14 PM - Santa 709 (SteveD)
17. 07:22 PM - EXACTLY - and another thing (Fergus Kyle)
18. 07:36 PM - [ Bob Harrison ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 11:25 PM - Re: EXACTLY (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Too far for me. And there's a landing fee!
Duncan Mcf.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi Alan,
> Carlisle is probably a bit far for me (and probably for some of the other
> DOTHers in the South) in the winter months, unless the weather en route is
> guaranteed good for all the way for all of the day. We try to limit it to
> not much more than an hour each way in the winter months.
> Perhaps we can persuade some of the Scottish and North England pilots to
> join in for some of the northerly venues?
> Best wishes,
> William
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> >
> > William
> >
> > How about Carlisle on Sunday, they have a good museum to visit on site
and
> > the bacon butties are excellent..!
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> > > <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
> > >
> > > I agree, Duncan, Sunday looks the best.
> > > Huddersfield is westish, as long as there is no low cloud over the
> > > Pennines.
> > > Lets confirm on Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
> > > Regards,
> > > William
> > > Do not archive
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> > > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >>
> > >> <<Any suggestions
> > >> > welcome>>
> > >>
> > >> Sunday!
> > >> Present forecast favours somewhere West.
> > >>
> > >> Duncan.
> > >>
> > >> Do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Mount |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Tony,
You have the standard Classic mount, which works in cantilever.
Despite the appearance of the triangulated vertical bracing on the top arms,
these only transfer the bending loads back to the upright tubes at the rear
of the mount, which are larger diameter and therefore able to better sustain
these bending loads. Still in bending and a terrible design however.
The horizontal diagonal brace across the port arm works in tension (should
have been attached to the S'bd arm to make it work in compression). However,
it's possible that correctly placed the brace might conflict with the water
bottle or other engine part.
The good news is that it all seems to work (I've not heard of any failures,
even with the 914 or 912S). It was for that reason (and too avoid a two-year
debate with the PFA) that I overcame my strong temptation to reinforce the
mount.
Maybe the mount that Graham refers to is the XS mount, which overcomes the
above 'difficulties'.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Engine Mount
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Duncan and Tony,
> Here is that mount. What do ya reckon now?? I wish I knew I had to have it
> strengthened when it was in getting it repaired, and before I got it
> powdercoated. Ho hum.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> At 06:12 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> ><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> ><<So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got>>
> >
> >One that defies rational analysis!
> >Beats me how it works, more still how it was ever approved.
> >
> >Duncan McF.
> >do not archive.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Engine Mount
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> ><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> > >
> > > Gidday,
> > > I have a Rotax engine mount that has needed a welding repair, and now
I
> > > have mated it to my landing gear mount in an attempt to mount a Graham
> > > Singleton phenolic firewall. The mount has the 4 legs sticking
forward,
> >and
> > > the top 2 are the ones with the bracing. The bottom ones have none.
This
> >is
> > > contrary to how I would have imagined it to be. The installation
picture
> > > Graham provided me has reinforcing bracing on the one of the bottom
legs,
> > > the port one as I recall, braced back toward the weld attach point of
the
> > > Starboard leg. So, what sort of engine mount have I actually got, and
what
> > > sort is the one in Grahams picture???? Standing by.....
> > >
> > > Reg
> > > Tony Renshaw
> > > Sydney Australia
> > >
> > > Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger
> > > Currently working on Rudder Pedals,
> > > In but tight so more work to go on them.
> > > Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> > > Lower Fuse in Jig,
> > > Tail Torque Tube installed with temporary timber dowels.
> > > Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> > > Roof Panel between doors completed.
> > > Photos at:
> > > http://forum.okhuijsen.org/TonyR
> > > Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> > > Instrumentation: Garmin 296 Colour GPS beneath an electronic
Artificial
> > > Horizon, one that I can trust for short periods IMC, to get out of a
> >sticky
> > > situation
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mass Balance Arm failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-12-17 16:49 -0500 Tony Renshaw wrote:
>The mass balance arm rod end you mention that failed and is now the
>attention of a mandated fix
Tony - I did not say there was a mandated fix; I said that I expected
a fix would be forthcoming.
>Can you elaborate exactly where it failed, if
>you know, and what was the apparent reason?
I quote (again) the full entry from the SIDD Occurence Listing:
Europa / Rotax 900 / Taxy / White Waltham / 03/08/2004 200405964
AAIB Initial notification: Mass balance arm rod end failed during taxi.
I received it printed on paper through the post along with the GASIL
& GASCO newsletters. On the cover of the SIDD Occurrence Listing are
the contact details:
Safety Investigation & Data Department
CAA
Aviation House
Gatwick Airport
W Sussex
RH6 0YR
tel 01293 573220
fax 01293 573972
telex 878753
email sdd@srg.caa.org.uk
There is no information at this time on the AAIB website about this incident.
I want to make it clear that I was not meaning to cause a panic by my
original posting, merely to let people know of a possible problem
that is likely to be more easily dealt with before the fuselage top
goes on.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 740 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Positioning Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The original Dykins Europa profile shows a small amount (about 1/4") of
reflex in the trailing edge.The template called up by the profile
co-ordinates in the manual is too crude to reflect this subtlety (or I was
too stupid to spot it when I built mine). What effect it has I can't say,
other than that gliders get better high speed efficiency with reflexed
flaps.
So, in answer to your questions, "more speed"? and "up is better/originally
intended".
Duncan Mcf.
PS which GEO are you using?
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHUCK RHOADS" <cfrhoads@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Positioning Flaps
> --> Europa-List message posted by: CHUCK RHOADS <cfrhoads@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I am getting my plane ready for what I hope is my final FAA inspection
before being able to fly. I have my flaps positioned so that the bottom of
the flaps are flat with the bottom of the wing. I noticed at Oshkosh that
others have the flaps positioned so that that they align with the top
surface of the wing & level with the ailerons. What affect will this have
on performance? Which is better?
Duncan McF
> Chuck Rhoads
>
> A100 trike, GEO powered
>
>
> Chuck Rhoads
> cfrhoads@yahoo.com
> 104 Shuttle Dr.
> Georgetown, KY 40324
> (502) 867-7625
>
> ---------------------------------
> Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 12/17/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 17/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Positioning Flaps
>--> Europa-List message posted by: CHUCK RHOADS <cfrhoads@yahoo.com>
>. I have my flaps positioned so that the bottom of the flaps
>are flat with the bottom of the wing. I noticed at Oshkosh that others
>have the
>flaps positioned so that that they align with the top surface of the wing &
>level with the ailerons. What affect will this have on performance? Which is
>better?
>Chuck Rhoads
Chuck
The flap top surface should be slightly concave, ie flaps up a tiny bit.
Have a look at the TE of a decent glider. Don Dykins original airfoil
section does show this but it isn't clear in the plans. You will have
better cruise performance with a little bit of reflex on the TE
Graham
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| Subject: | Stall Warning Kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Hi all Europaens,
Before ordering from Europa 2004, has anyone out there got a stall warning kit
they want to sell.
Cheers,
Tim Ward
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch.
Ph. 0064 33515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Friday 17th Dec? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I'm up for it. Noon meeting?
Or somewhere west if cloudy on the Pennines (Welshpool?).
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> I agree, Duncan, Sunday looks the best.
> Huddersfield is westish, as long as there is no low cloud over the
Pennines.
> Lets confirm on Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
> Regards,
> William
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday 17th Dec?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > <<Any suggestions
> > > welcome>>
> >
> > Sunday!
> > Present forecast favours somewhere West.
> >
> > Duncan.
> >
> > Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH SUNDAY 19th Dec |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi All DOTHers,
Huddersfield has been confirmed for tomorrow Sunday 19th Dec. at 12.00 noon
or thereabouts.
Free landing voucher in the Flyer. Very good food at the walkable local
Pub. If there is low cloud on the Pennines and it is not possible to
approach Huddersfield from east of Sheffield then the diversion is Welshpool
for those coming from the south and east. Three A/C already confirmed,
please come along and join us.
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mass Balance Arm failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2004-12-18 12:45 +0000 Rowland Carson wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
>At 2004-12-17 16:49 -0500 Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
>>The mass balance arm rod end you mention that failed and is now the
>>attention of a mandated fix
>
>Tony - I did not say there was a mandated fix; I said that I expected
>a fix would be forthcoming.
I should have made it clear that if the AAIB determine there is an
issue affecting _all_ Europas, I would expect a fix to be promulgated.
However, if the AAIB determine that this is a one-off affecting only
this aircraft, no such general action should be expected. The length
of time since the incident wthout any pronouncement from the AAIB
does at least seem to indicate that they have not concluded urgent
action is needed.
I'm beginning to regret mentioning this - I was only intending to
draw attention to one other thing that might arise to be done before
the fuselage top goes on, knowing how awkward it is to get at stuff
down the back once the lid is down.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 <http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/>
| 740 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Mass Balance Arm failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Rowland,
I think that most would be appreciative of the fact that you HAD mentioned
this, rather than had not; even though your message was widely
misunderstood.
By the way AAIB only make recommendations, they have no say in airworthiness
regulation. Witness the fuel flow sensor saga; THREE years after making a
recommendation, PFA are only now taking some action! And even then its to
only to prevent new installations.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mass Balance Arm failure
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2004-12-18 12:45 +0000 Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
> >
> >At 2004-12-17 16:49 -0500 Tony Renshaw wrote:
> >
> >>The mass balance arm rod end you mention that failed and is now the
> >>attention of a mandated fix
> >
> >Tony - I did not say there was a mandated fix; I said that I expected
> >a fix would be forthcoming.
>
> I should have made it clear that if the AAIB determine there is an
> issue affecting _all_ Europas, I would expect a fix to be promulgated.
>
> However, if the AAIB determine that this is a one-off affecting only
> this aircraft, no such general action should be expected. The length
> of time since the incident wthout any pronouncement from the AAIB
> does at least seem to indicate that they have not concluded urgent
> action is needed.
>
> I'm beginning to regret mentioning this - I was only intending to
> draw attention to one other thing that might arise to be done before
> the fuselage top goes on, knowing how awkward it is to get at stuff
> down the back once the lid is down.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Why I miss the old DH Beaver ---
We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go back
to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a
switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON"
after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires
skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed to
do it.
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot and
start whining louder.
Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke
and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing. When
you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on
the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like
it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines
don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention There's nothing
to fiddle with during the flight.
Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round engines
smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ah Ferg,
Your so funny, I got a real giggle out of this one. Thanks for brightening
up my Saturday...... nothing to do now I have finished the Europa .....
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: EXACTLY
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Why I miss the old DH Beaver ---
>
> We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back
> to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a
> switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON"
> after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires
> skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed
to
> do it.
>
> Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and
> start whining louder.
>
> Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
> rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke
> and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing.
When
> you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on
> the flight ahead.
>
> Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
> exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
> complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like
> it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind.
Turbines
> don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention There's
nothing
> to fiddle with during the flight.
>
> Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines
> smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
>
> I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Ferg;
What a bright spot in my day. My hats off to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Brown
Fergus Kyle wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Why I miss the old DH Beaver ---
>
> We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go back
> to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a
> switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON"
> after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires
> skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed to
> do it.
>
> Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot and
> start whining louder.
>
> Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
> rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke
> and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing. When
> you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on
> the flight ahead.
>
> Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
> exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
> complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like
> it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines
> don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention There's nothing
> to fiddle with during the flight.
>
> Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round engines
> smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
>
> I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go.
>
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| Subject: | RE: Seat belts challenge...... |
2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Bob has posted the photos of his BMW headrests.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
I too miss the old DH Beaver (on floats) which I had numerous occasions to
hop from Seattle to the San Juan Islands on the last stage of my journey
from D.C. to Orcas prior to relocating there...thank god for Kenmore Air!
The best right seat time I've ever had!
Nonetheless, you might check out: www.innodyn.com/aviation/products.html for
some fascinating info on a 188 lb., 165 hp TURBINE! Though the 14 gph may
give one pause, how long will it be before someone slips one in front of a
Europa?
Fred
A194
DO NOT ARCHIVE
on 12/18/04 2:13 PM, Paul McAllister at paul.mcallister@qia.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Ah Ferg,
>
> Your so funny, I got a real giggle out of this one. Thanks for brightening
> up my Saturday...... nothing to do now I have finished the Europa .....
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: "FERG KYLE" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> Subject: Europa-List: EXACTLY
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>>
>> Why I miss the old DH Beaver ---
>>
>> We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
> back
>> to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a
>> switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON"
>> after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires
>> skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed
> to
>> do it.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
My daughter came home from school with this:
The FAA, after hearing Santa has been busting airspace, flying below minimums,
and countless other infractions, demanded a 709 check ride before he could fly
over the states.
Santa agreed. The FAA inspector climbed aboard Santa's sleigh and just before take
off, the inspector said "oh wait", jumped from the sleigh, ran to his car
and came back with a shot gun.
"What is that for?" said Santa. "Nothing, nothing", said the inspector. "We're
going to do an engine out......."
:D
Merry Christmas!
Steved
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
The Navy says, "You can fly a round engine twice as far as you can ship an
inline".
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Absolutely brilliant, Ferg. Many thanks for the entertainment and
brightening my morning. Billy Connerly couldn't have done any better!. You
must have missed your vocation, or have you ever been on the stage?
Best wishes,
William
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: EXACTLY
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Why I miss the old DH Beaver ---
>
> We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back
> to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a
> switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON"
> after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires
> skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed
to
> do it.
>
> Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and
> start whining louder.
>
> Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
> rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke
> and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy thing.
When
> you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on
> the flight ahead.
>
> Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
> exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom,
> complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like
> it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind.
Turbines
> don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention There's
nothing
> to fiddle with during the flight.
>
> Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines
> smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
>
> I think I hear the nurse coming down the hall. I gotta go.
>
>
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