---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/22/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Re: landing gear line up (cassel@sensewave.com) 2. 02:11 AM - Mono kit for sale (ctsmallwood) 3. 02:31 AM - Re: Trigear Tires (Alan Burrows) 4. 06:24 AM - Re: Wheel well cut out (SteveD) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: Trigear Tires (R.C.Harrison) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: Trigear Tires (Alan Burrows) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Mono kit for sale (SteveD) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: Trigear Tires (R.C.Harrison) 9. 09:23 AM - Control arm boots????? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 10. 09:40 AM - Re: Trigear Tires (Alan Burrows) 11. 10:04 AM - "For Sale" (Bruce Armstrong) 12. 10:31 AM - SV: Results of Landing Light Survey 2004 (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 13. 11:06 AM - Re: Control arm boots????? (N55XS) 14. 01:33 PM - Re: landing gear line up (Duncan McFadyean) 15. 03:34 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/21/04 (Graham Singleton) 16. 03:34 PM - question about alodining (Myron Haluschak) 17. 03:45 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/21/04 (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: landing gear line up From: cassel@sensewave.com --> Europa-List message posted by: cassel@sensewave.com Hi Jos, The fuselage has small center-cross (+) marked on the outerskin of fuselage bottom (every 25" station I think) Line up a string between some crosses and center of the swingarm. You will get a perfect line up. My was dead center Regards Stephan #556 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" > > How precise has the landing gear frame to be attached? The manual does not > seem to be very demanding about lining it up. Any tips on how to do it > best are very welcome! > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ------------------------------------------- This mail was sent through Freewave AS Webmail http://www.freewave.no/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:06 AM PST US From: "ctsmallwood" Subject: Europa-List: Mono kit for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "ctsmallwood" I converted our Mono to tri gear at build stage. Therefor the original new Mono parts are for sale Colin Smallwood Ripley Derbys UK (o)1773 570329 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:26 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob Whilst continuing the ongoing saga of trying to bleed my brakes (now entering my 3rd month!) I too have noticed excessive tyre wear, mainly on the outside of the port wheel. I am considering turning the tyre around, what does the forum think? Merry Christmas to all Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Ira. I've posted quite a lot of my like experiences. Suggest you look in the archives. The problem is due to excessive toe in. IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. This factor is not only about tyre wear but also must have a major effect on length of take off run due to the rolling drag involved. I have considered a mod. to the gear leg securing bolt and the gear leg socket but it will need some very clever and finite engineering and a selection of some variable inserts to adjust the rotational location of the gear legs and at present am galled at being on my third set not withstanding the need to use incorrect size tubes. Of course the story goes......."no one else is having a problem, you must have set yours up wrong!"""""...... Been there got the damn "Tee Shirt"..... Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu I had a worn main gear tire blow this week end after about 75 h and maybe 200 landings. Fortunately it blew in the hangar after landing and taxiing. The Seffner wisdom is that this is about the best one can expect with the supplied tires and landing on real terra firma, eq., concrete. I ordered Goodyear Flight Special II 6ply 500-5 and tubes from Desser for over $200. total. I will report back on the experience with these tires (although I hope it will take more than a year!!) Has anyone real-life experience with the other brands? Has anyone tried swapping the 5" wheels to 6" wheels for better turf performance and the ability to get "Monster" retreads with double the tread depth of cheap tires (see http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf ) Ira Ira N224XS flying ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Wheel well cut out From: "SteveD" 2.60 REPLY_TO_EMPTY Reply-To: is empty --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" Jos, I went right to the edges, Floxed and taped. I'm going to add a fairing later, so I didn't think it mattered. I did cut the the hole a little long. I misread the manual and measured down the sides and not in the middle, again the fairing will make nice..... So far, so good, the gear goes up, down and has good clearances all around. I will be adding a stop to the gear tunnel to prevent up over-travel Steved ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:13 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Alan Yes, I change mine round a couple of times during heir lifetime because you need to watch them like a hawk due to the spats. Bob h G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob Whilst continuing the ongoing saga of trying to bleed my brakes (now entering my 3rd month!) I too have noticed excessive tyre wear, mainly on the outside of the port wheel. I am considering turning the tyre around, what does the forum think? Merry Christmas to all Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Ira. I've posted quite a lot of my like experiences. Suggest you look in the archives. The problem is due to excessive toe in. IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. This factor is not only about tyre wear but also must have a major effect on length of take off run due to the rolling drag involved. I have considered a mod. to the gear leg securing bolt and the gear leg socket but it will need some very clever and finite engineering and a selection of some variable inserts to adjust the rotational location of the gear legs and at present am galled at being on my third set not withstanding the need to use incorrect size tubes. Of course the story goes......."no one else is having a problem, you must have set yours up wrong!"""""...... Been there got the damn "Tee Shirt"..... Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu I had a worn main gear tire blow this week end after about 75 h and maybe 200 landings. Fortunately it blew in the hangar after landing and taxiing. The Seffner wisdom is that this is about the best one can expect with the supplied tires and landing on real terra firma, eq., concrete. I ordered Goodyear Flight Special II 6ply 500-5 and tubes from Desser for over $200. total. I will report back on the experience with these tires (although I hope it will take more than a year!!) Has anyone real-life experience with the other brands? Has anyone tried swapping the 5" wheels to 6" wheels for better turf performance and the ability to get "Monster" retreads with double the tread depth of cheap tires (see http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf ) Ira Ira N224XS flying ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:41 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Bob What is your problem with the tubes, is it anything I need to watch out for when I turn the tyres? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan Yes, I change mine round a couple of times during heir lifetime because you need to watch them like a hawk due to the spats. Bob h G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob Whilst continuing the ongoing saga of trying to bleed my brakes (now entering my 3rd month!) I too have noticed excessive tyre wear, mainly on the outside of the port wheel. I am considering turning the tyre around, what does the forum think? Merry Christmas to all Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Ira. I've posted quite a lot of my like experiences. Suggest you look in the archives. The problem is due to excessive toe in. IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. This factor is not only about tyre wear but also must have a major effect on length of take off run due to the rolling drag involved. I have considered a mod. to the gear leg securing bolt and the gear leg socket but it will need some very clever and finite engineering and a selection of some variable inserts to adjust the rotational location of the gear legs and at present am galled at being on my third set not withstanding the need to use incorrect size tubes. Of course the story goes......."no one else is having a problem, you must have set yours up wrong!"""""...... Been there got the damn "Tee Shirt"..... Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu I had a worn main gear tire blow this week end after about 75 h and maybe 200 landings. Fortunately it blew in the hangar after landing and taxiing. The Seffner wisdom is that this is about the best one can expect with the supplied tires and landing on real terra firma, eq., concrete. I ordered Goodyear Flight Special II 6ply 500-5 and tubes from Desser for over $200. total. I will report back on the experience with these tires (although I hope it will take more than a year!!) Has anyone real-life experience with the other brands? Has anyone tried swapping the 5" wheels to 6" wheels for better turf performance and the ability to get "Monster" retreads with double the tread depth of cheap tires (see http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf ) Ira Ira N224XS flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:18 AM PST US From: "SteveD" (by way of Matt Dralle ) Subject: Europa-List: RE: Mono kit for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" (by way of Matt Dralle ) Hi Colin, If you end up parting the kit out. I need part LG02A Shock Absorber Pin Support. Thanks, Steved ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=4150#4150 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:56 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Alan. If you are running Europa originals I'm convinced the tube is slightly bigger than the tyre so when you blow it up it makes some small creases in the tube which makes it chafe on it's self. I'm now running a harder compound squarer section tyre and have tubes that are for purpose. One reason you may be getting more wear on Port is that it is the natural way to turn on the ground so it gets all the work You need to make a determined effort to turn clockwise as much as you can. Also if the brake is only good on the port side the tyre will also get more work. Haven't time to look what tyres and tubes I finished up with but "rattle my cage" in the New Year and I'll dig the info out. Regards BobH -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Bob What is your problem with the tubes, is it anything I need to watch out for when I turn the tyres? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan Yes, I change mine round a couple of times during heir lifetime because you need to watch them like a hawk due to the spats. Bob h G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob Whilst continuing the ongoing saga of trying to bleed my brakes (now entering my 3rd month!) I too have noticed excessive tyre wear, mainly on the outside of the port wheel. I am considering turning the tyre around, what does the forum think? Merry Christmas to all Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Ira. I've posted quite a lot of my like experiences. Suggest you look in the archives. The problem is due to excessive toe in. IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. This factor is not only about tyre wear but also must have a major effect on length of take off run due to the rolling drag involved. I have considered a mod. to the gear leg securing bolt and the gear leg socket but it will need some very clever and finite engineering and a selection of some variable inserts to adjust the rotational location of the gear legs and at present am galled at being on my third set not withstanding the need to use incorrect size tubes. Of course the story goes......."no one else is having a problem, you must have set yours up wrong!"""""...... Been there got the damn "Tee Shirt"..... Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu I had a worn main gear tire blow this week end after about 75 h and maybe 200 landings. Fortunately it blew in the hangar after landing and taxiing. The Seffner wisdom is that this is about the best one can expect with the supplied tires and landing on real terra firma, eq., concrete. I ordered Goodyear Flight Special II 6ply 500-5 and tubes from Desser for over $200. total. I will report back on the experience with these tires (although I hope it will take more than a year!!) Has anyone real-life experience with the other brands? Has anyone tried swapping the 5" wheels to 6" wheels for better turf performance and the ability to get "Monster" retreads with double the tread depth of cheap tires (see http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf ) Ira Ira N224XS flying ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:43 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Control arm boots????? --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hello Folks! I'm in need if a few photos / illustrations / ideas for the manufacturing of the control arm boot which are referenced at the end of Chapter 17. Thanks in advance! . B Skelly Texas Europa # A276 TriGear See My build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=BrianS&op=modload&name=g allery&file=index&include=view_album.php ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:27 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Thanks Bob Have a great time in Lapland ( isn't that place for kids!) "playing with Santa" or whatever you are doing:-) Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan. If you are running Europa originals I'm convinced the tube is slightly bigger than the tyre so when you blow it up it makes some small creases in the tube which makes it chafe on it's self. I'm now running a harder compound squarer section tyre and have tubes that are for purpose. One reason you may be getting more wear on Port is that it is the natural way to turn on the ground so it gets all the work You need to make a determined effort to turn clockwise as much as you can. Also if the brake is only good on the port side the tyre will also get more work. Haven't time to look what tyres and tubes I finished up with but "rattle my cage" in the New Year and I'll dig the info out. Regards BobH -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Bob What is your problem with the tubes, is it anything I need to watch out for when I turn the tyres? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Alan Yes, I change mine round a couple of times during heir lifetime because you need to watch them like a hawk due to the spats. Bob h G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob Whilst continuing the ongoing saga of trying to bleed my brakes (now entering my 3rd month!) I too have noticed excessive tyre wear, mainly on the outside of the port wheel. I am considering turning the tyre around, what does the forum think? Merry Christmas to all Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Hi! Ira. I've posted quite a lot of my like experiences. Suggest you look in the archives. The problem is due to excessive toe in. IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. This factor is not only about tyre wear but also must have a major effect on length of take off run due to the rolling drag involved. I have considered a mod. to the gear leg securing bolt and the gear leg socket but it will need some very clever and finite engineering and a selection of some variable inserts to adjust the rotational location of the gear legs and at present am galled at being on my third set not withstanding the need to use incorrect size tubes. Of course the story goes......."no one else is having a problem, you must have set yours up wrong!"""""...... Been there got the damn "Tee Shirt"..... Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Tires --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu I had a worn main gear tire blow this week end after about 75 h and maybe 200 landings. Fortunately it blew in the hangar after landing and taxiing. The Seffner wisdom is that this is about the best one can expect with the supplied tires and landing on real terra firma, eq., concrete. I ordered Goodyear Flight Special II 6ply 500-5 and tubes from Desser for over $200. total. I will report back on the experience with these tires (although I hope it will take more than a year!!) Has anyone real-life experience with the other brands? Has anyone tried swapping the 5" wheels to 6" wheels for better turf performance and the ability to get "Monster" retreads with double the tread depth of cheap tires (see http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf ) Ira Ira N224XS flying ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:05 AM PST US From: "Bruce Armstrong" Subject: Europa-List: "For Sale" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bruce Armstrong" Hey guys, I'm located near Tampa, FL and have an Monowheel XS 914, Airmaster prop, Garmin 420,Transponder, angle of attack indicator and much more "For Sale". The value of the dollar may makes this affordable to you guys. The price is $65,000. She is a 140 kts cruise at 5+ gal/hr. plane with 112 hours on her. We built her at FlightCrafters near Tampa with the assisstance of Russell Lepre'. She is certified for light aerobatics and has pulled 2.75 sustained G's. This purchase could be put together with a trip to Florida in the winter! Pictures are available with your E-mail. Bruce Armstrong brucensuzy@comcast.net 1(941)505-7461 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:52 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Results of Landing Light Survey 2004 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Ira, I am another one with no practical experience (yet) with landing light, but: After we discussed this issue at the workshop in Lakeland in June 2001, you pointed me in the direction of the Boom Beam xenon lamp from LoPresti (www.speedmods.com). I actually purchased this lamp. The Bonanza version was recommended to me (LMS-500-006) and with intermediate spreading of the light (best for traffic pattern visibility). It is very expensive, but gives fantastic light - 500,000 candle power at only 3 amps (abt 8 amps when you switch it on, but falls to permanent low current drain in 5 seconds). I have not installed it yet, but I think it will be placed on the centerline in the front of the lower cowling, just above the radiator/oil cooler air inlet, partly recessed into the cowling under the spinner, housed in a fairing made of epoxy and bid. I have just measured the surface temperature on the hottest spot of the reflector (where it connects with the glass lens) after having had the lamp switched on in my workshop for a while - 175 degr. F / 80 degr. C. The in-use temperature will be lower since the air flow on the lens will provide some cooling also of the connecting reflector. I don't think this will cause a problem, even if I use epoxy and not polyester (according to Andy, using epoxy to enlarge the bulge in the cowling under the muffler for better clearance - 10 mm - is no problem in spite of the muffler's high temp). Fyg, the max diameter of the Boom Beam lamp is 4 1/2 inch (115 mm), depth 4 inches (102 mm), depth to rim of lens 3 1/4 inch (83 mm). You mention that you may mount a lamp in the nose gear wheel pant. Have you figured out a way to do this while still having the nose wheel fully pivoting ( n times 360 degr), or will you restrict its rotation? Seasons Greetings, Svein A225 - XS trigear - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:42 AM PST US From: N55XS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Control arm boots????? --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS Check the photos at this link. http://www.rmholsters.com/europa/july2004.htm Scroll down to the 10th. My wife and I manufactured these boots for about $4. and they secure to the floor, which removes any possibility to anything rolling under the stick and jambing the controls. Velcro attachment makes accessing the controls a snap... Jeff A055 Doors, avionics panel and windscreen surround primed, today... EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com > > >Hello Folks! >I'm in need if a few photos / illustrations / ideas for the manufacturing of >the control arm boot which are referenced at the end of Chapter 17. >Thanks in advance! >. > > >B Skelly >Texas >Europa # A276 TriGear > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:34 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: landing gear line up --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <<> How precise has the landing gear frame to be attached? >> There isn't a lot of choice as the accuracy of installation of the cockpit module determines at least one of the degrees of freedom of LG01 location. It's not uncommon to see Europas with unintentional wheel camber as a consequence of this. Otherwise, alignment of the trailing angle of the swing arm should (as with most jobs) be done to best of ability. Watchout for the cross markings on the fus. molding; they aren't always in the centre. Finding and remarking the centreline took me a day! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" Subject: Europa-List: landing gear line up > --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" > > How precise has the landing gear frame to be attached? The manual does not seem to be very demanding about lining it up. Any tips on how to do it best are very welcome! > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:10 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/21/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 21/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >The problem is due to excessive toe in. >IMHO it is likely to have been improved had the toe in design been >reduced to the bare minimum with the a/c having wings fitted ,1/4 tank >of fuel and an average Pilot weight in the P1 seat. Bob does the toe in increase with load. It is set up with no load and no toe in isn't it? I guess toe in must increase slightly as the leg bends when loaded Graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:27 PM PST US From: "Myron Haluschak" Subject: Europa-List: question about alodining --> Europa-List message posted by: "Myron Haluschak" Hello all: Just a quick comment about this subject: While building a Murphy Rebel (floatplane) many said that corrosion protection is not really needed. It would literally take decades to create structural damage, unless salt or extreme conditions prevailed. Owning a few Cessna floatplanes and having a chance to get "inside" surprised me that Cessna took minimal precautions in this area, and these planes had already been around for many years on floats. A thorough annual, as mentioned, should monitor this. On my Rebel, I did however use a product put out by Stitts (?) called TubeSeal, and it is designed specifically to coat the inside of tubes that are permanently sealed. I also took extra epoxy chromate and sprayed my joints and exposed surfaces. To date no corrosion, as told to me by the present owner, and it is exclusively on floats fulltime. I agree with the idea that unless it is subject to such extreme conditions, it would not be needed in the cockpit area. I am sure I overdid it on the Rebel. A symptom of a first time builder. Myron A046 Fighting Falcon ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:45 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/21/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 21/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >How precise has the landing gear frame to be attached? The manual does not >seem >to be very demanding about lining it up. Any tips on how to do it best are >very >welcome! >Regards, > >Jos Okhuijsen Jos I suggest keeping the aperture size to a minimum. THe more wind that blows in there and swirls around the more drag you will have in flight. Several people have fitted fairings that streamline the wheel when retracted.. Kim Prout , who sadly rarely speaks on here, sells his I believe and is one of the real speed gurus. He was lucky, (also skilled) his Dad worked for Lockheed Skunk Works. Graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.